#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 10 Dec 2001 (GMT)

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[09:49:23] * Darke bows and Ooohfluffs at his new colour in the logs.
[09:50:02] * Darke decides that the logs need more pink. Lots, LOTS more pink. <innocentwiggle>
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[10:29:52] <Nadir> Hmm, Nadir was already pink
[10:32:53] * Darke greetingsbows and grins, he had noticed that.
[10:33:21] <Nadir> Seen this http://www.web-ster.com/soul/exult/one.jpg
[10:33:53] <Nadir> all the way to nine.jpg
[10:34:13] <Darke> Yep. 'one' to 'nine', I missed the 'yeo' one though. <grin>
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[11:31:04] <Nadir> hi
[11:31:17] * Wumpus likes this: "The people of Fawn are content to let the world end... As long as it doth not m
[11:31:17] <Wumpus> ar their Beautiful view of the dying embers!"
[11:31:39] <Wumpus> depressingly true of some people in the Real World (TM)
[11:32:01] * Darke bows, "Hi Wumpus, and indeed true."
[11:32:07] <Wumpus> `lo darke, nadir
[11:33:07] * Wumpus had a crash bug in SI just now, but can't reproduce it a third time (first and second time it crashed, but no more... grr)
[11:33:22] * Darke knew of a buck at one time who had a similar opinion, but then again he was a bit on the nihilistic side of things.
[11:33:48] <Darke> Yet another Eldtrich Error?
[11:34:00] <Wumpus> Eldtrich?
[11:36:05] <Darke> s/Eldritch/Weird/
[11:36:22] <Wumpus> ah :)
[11:36:36] <Wumpus> well, it seems to be reasonably repetable, unlike that teleporter thing
[11:37:23] <Darke> Provided I don't misspell it, eldritch tends to refer to a 'supernatural force'. <grin> So just generally something that tends to be 'weird'.
[11:37:35] <Wumpus> *nod*
[11:37:41] * Wumpus was being pedantic :P
[11:37:54] * Darke ahh!fluffs.
[11:38:14] <Darke> Teleporter thing? Which one was that?
[11:39:37] * Darke notices that Moscow Dragon is suggesting duplicating the bugs found in u7, in exult. <grin>
[11:41:06] <Wumpus> teleporter thing is 485386
[11:43:12] <Darke> Eek! What? You mean I have to admit that exult has bugs by locating the bug tracker, before I find out what the bug is?!? This... this... this is a _horrendous_ travisty of the system!
[11:44:07] * Darke also notes that the fact he doesn't know _where_ the tracker is, is also a good thing since he has a nice excuse if someone decides to be 'funny' and assign a bug or two to him. <grin>
[11:45:18] <Wumpus> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=485386&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[11:47:58] <Wumpus> anyway, time to do some more SI playing... just arrived in moonshade...
[11:48:29] * Darke grins and isn't going to admit going there. <innocentwiggle> It does read like an odd bug though.
[11:53:09] <Wumpus> s/bug/feature/ ;-p
[11:54:11] * Darke snickers.
[12:05:11] <Soul|LOVE> wow
[12:05:15] <Soul|LOVE> 4am and i wake up
[12:05:22] <Soul|LOVE> after sleeping 13 hours
[12:21:02] * Darke grins.
[12:24:56] <Wumpus> there's no tunnel from anywhere to monk isle is there; you have to use the jawbone?
[12:27:56] <Nadir> yep
[12:28:06] <Nadir> or die and get teleported there for resurrection
[12:38:44] * Nadir has updated the news at http://exult.sf.net
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[13:07:50] <sbx> hi
[13:09:18] <Nadir> hi
[13:10:09] <sbx> heh i like that -> "Make sure you read this" ... no explanation, just DO IT
[13:10:16] <sbx> :-)
[13:14:51] <Nadir> stupid lusers :)
[13:15:38] * Nadir notes that sbx is in the Exult credits, so he's not a luser
[13:16:58] <sbx> yay
[13:18:11] * sbx is just a loser. :-|
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[13:20:02] <sbx> ?
[13:21:07] <sbx> Colourless must've realized he would be too tempted to kick someone(Darke) if he stayed.
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[13:21:12] <sbx> nm
[13:21:32] * Darke bows to sbx after unidling. "Perhaps something like that." <grin>
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[13:24:18] <sbx> hi
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[13:24:59] <Colourless> much better
[13:25:10] <sbx> hi
[13:25:11] * Darke wonders why Colourless is so bouncy today. He's a dragon not a bunny.
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[13:26:02] <Colourless> :-)
[13:26:15] <Colourless> hopefully I wont have to leave again
[13:27:42] * Darke hopes so, a few more minutes of that, and the log will have most lines of Colourless leaving and entering, then actually _useful_ text (for small values of 'useful' of course).
[13:28:44] <Colourless> :-)
[13:28:48] <sbx> !8ball What is useful text?
[13:28:49] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 PLZ GET THE PEEN OUT OF YOUR EAR
[13:28:59] <sbx> !8ball Is this useful?
[13:29:00] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 TEH KID EATS STEAMING POO
[13:29:29] <sbx> !8ball Will Colourless have to leave again?
[13:29:29] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 STOP ASKING ME I HATE YOU
[13:29:33] <sbx> :-(
[13:29:56] <Darke> sbx: MiniMe appears to becoming uncooperative. Get the thumbscrews. <grin>
[13:31:46] <Colourless> i can tell you myself that i'll be leaving and coming back again at somestage
[13:32:58] <sbx> hehe
[13:35:10] <sbx> what does Rat's Face Cage do?
[13:35:52] * sbx thinks for a second and realizes maybe he doesn't want to know.
[13:36:55] * Darke thinks doing that is generally a Good Idea _before_ asking the question.
[13:36:55] <Colourless> i take it you figured it out :-)
[13:38:13] <sbx> Don't the iron maiden(and possibly other "devices") work in the original?
[13:39:55] * Darke can't remember and thinks that it's a Good Idea to find out. <innocentwiggle>
[13:42:07] <sbx> Soul|LOVE could find out now if he's awake.
[13:42:21] <Darke> Iron Maiden doesn't have the usecode.
[13:42:37] <Darke> Neither does the Rat's Face Cage.
[13:42:47] <sbx> well, all of them say Usecode not found :P (except guillotine)
[13:43:03] <sbx> maybe the iron maiden in SI worked
[13:43:09] <Darke> And the stocks. <grin>
[13:43:10] <sbx> if there was one
[13:43:17] <sbx> yes stocks too hehe
[13:44:15] <sbx> Sullivan: "Oh, just that I have been impersonating thee for some time now to take items from shopkeepers without paying for them. Well, -had- been actually. Now I am being properly castigated for it." Troll: "I thank thee." Sullivan: "Thou art welcome." he nods.
[13:44:52] <Colourless> multimonitor is cool :-)
[13:45:32] <Darke> Cool, I never noticed the 'fireflies' in the original.
[13:45:45] <sbx> ?
[13:46:36] <Darke> Well they look like them anyway. <grin> I'm just standing in front of the gates to LB's castle and these little 'fly' creatures flying around. No more then 3 or 4 pixels in size. I've never seen them before.
[13:47:32] <Colourless> they are 'insects'
[13:47:45] <Darke> I turned on eggs to check and they seem to be following a path around the lampposts. You learn something new every day. <grin>
[13:48:05] <sbx> there is an egg that makes them
[13:48:15] <sbx> like the guards
[13:49:07] * sbx moved the egg and used it to make insects appear somewhere else.
[13:50:52] <Darke> <grin> I don't expect there would have been this many of them though in the original. Just by sitting here watching them, I've got a dozen following the path.
[13:51:11] <sbx> how?
[13:52:33] <Darke> I don't know. exult just keeps spawning them, it's like the three sets of tentacles that hatched from one egg in the moat. OTOP, it could just be this rather old savegame that stuffing things up. <grin>
[13:55:09] <Darke> Cool. Just was the savegame. I was just flicking through half a dozen prebeta ones to see where I was at and noticed it.
[13:55:38] <sbx> you could have always have had iolo try and shoot at them :-)
[13:56:00] <Darke> sbx: I couldn't even click on them to get a 'name' from them. <grin>
[13:57:05] <sbx> well, when i tried iolo kept firing in different directions, and i went screaming uncontrollably from the scene and ran towards the museum
[13:57:18] <sbx> combat is strange :-)
[13:59:01] <Darke> For me, combat is random. <grin> The dragon stands there quite happily taking it's punishment and doing nothing against me for half the fight then suddenly decides to throw two fireballs at me and I'm dead.
[14:00:14] <sbx> and of course if you try to run from fireballs, they end up flying past you and hitting the ground but you get hurt anyway
[14:02:51] <sbx> what is Soul|LOVE's website?
[14:03:33] * Darke thinks the combat algorythms need a _little_ work, despite the fact that it's a Known Bug(tm). <grin>
[14:04:09] <Darke> Umm... good question. I'm sure I have at least one url around her somewhere... or at least in exultbot's logs.
[14:05:19] <Colourless> have to restart
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[14:06:46] <Darke> Bah! <dismissive-pawwave> These windows users and their reboots. <grin>
[14:07:04] * Darke wonders if that'll get him kicked upon Colourless' return.
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[14:07:28] <Colourless> back
[14:08:09] * Darke noddlenods, "You're presence has been noted." <grin>
[14:08:38] <Colourless> stop complaining about combat, it *will* be fixed eventually
[14:10:03] * Nadir plays in God mode anyway :)
[14:10:12] * Colourless too
[14:10:24] <Nadir> Cheater !
[14:10:26] <Colourless> as you can tell, the developers don't care for combat ;-)
[14:10:27] <Nadir> ... Cheater !!!
[14:10:39] <Darke> <grin> Complaining? I went up against a dragon in leather armour with a great dagger and half killed it.
[14:10:44] <Nadir> (victory music)
[14:11:09] * Darke plays in God mode as well, he was interested in just how 'bad' combat was. <grin>
[14:16:48] <sbx> Did you find the URL?
[14:18:30] * Darke ooopsfluffs, he'd gotten distracted.
[14:19:01] <sbx> Hey any idea how the text in U6 is stored?
[14:19:41] * Darke remembers why, he can't access exultbot's logs for some reason.
[14:19:44] <Colourless> compressed as far as I know
[14:20:06] <sbx> no worries
[14:20:11] <sbx> Colourless: oh.. is there a way to uncompress it?
[14:20:15] <Darke> There's a program out there to 'decompress' and extract it from memory.
[14:20:39] <Darke> (That is, from _my_ memory, not the computer's.)
[14:20:47] <sbx> was the program made by Joseph Morris?
[14:21:15] <Colourless> yeah there's a way. it uses a simple lzw compression iirc. there is information and programs out there to do this
[14:21:58] <Darke> Can't remember. google on the rec.games.computer.ultima.series newsgroup and you'll probably find a link.
[14:22:51] <sbx> hmm
[14:22:59] * sbx goes a googlin'.
[14:23:55] <sbx> is JMorris still working on IRE?
[14:25:26] <Darke> IRE?
[14:25:51] <sbx> IT-HE RPG Engine?
[14:27:13] * sbx was looking at his site... he made a Doom Binary logic circuit system :-)
[14:27:32] <Darke> No idea. But given you get a 404 when you click on his 'current progress' link for it, I guess no. <grin>
[14:28:09] <sbx> o well
[14:28:17] <sbx> maybe that is the old site
[14:28:24] <sbx> "Here's some screenshots of computer v1.0.. First, a picture of the quad-imp oscillator, used to generate the pulses that carry the data. The four imps (with BFGs) attack each other, so there will be a BFG blast affecting the cacodemons. The cacodemons fire backward shots, upsetting the imp-cacodemon chain (used to straighten out the shot) and eventually annoying the baron, who generates the final pulse train."
[14:29:23] <Nadir> http://ire.sourceforge.net/status.htm#0068
[14:30:10] <sbx> oic
[14:30:43] <sbx> i guess there wouldnt be other pages with more up-to-date info
[14:30:58] <Darke> Thanks. <grin> I think he probably should update his main pages to point to sf.net then.
[14:31:43] <Nadir> he's not using SF's CVS
[14:32:08] <sbx> "The 16-gate with a low logic level" -> http://lightning.prohosting.com/~jpmorris/doom/com16gtl.gif
[14:32:38] <Darke> sbx: <grin> I noticed it's... interesting.
[14:33:04] * Darke considers 'surreal' would also be a good description of it. Cool though.
[14:35:11] <Colourless> it's a interesting proof of concept for something completely useless
[14:35:55] * Darke giggles.
[14:50:47] <sbx> http://www.geocities.com/nodling/text/u6tech.txt
[15:01:55] <Darke> Wow. Rather thorough.
[15:04:01] <sbx> didnt finish info on conversations and books it says
[15:05:29] * Darke nods, he just got down to it.
[15:08:04] <sbx> backtracking up a directory or two reveals the source code to a u6 decompression tool :-)
[15:10:42] <sbx> hrmm there is a link to 'Exult' too
[15:13:57] <Nadir> The LZW link should actually read Learn all about the world-INfamous, patented compression algorithm.
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[15:17:45] * Darke thinks Colourless is a bit too colourless, he keeps blending into the background and disappearing on us. <grin>
[15:19:55] <Nadir> Colourless: what's up ?
[15:20:20] <Darke> (from the u6 page) "The Exult source code comes withtechnical information on most of U7's file formats." I think that should read: "The Exult source code contains technical information on most of U7's file formats." <grin>
[15:21:37] <Darke> Nadir: He's feeling a little down, then up, then down, then up, then down, then... umm... ok, I'll stop now.
[15:23:45] <Nadir> I thought, being from OZ, he would be down, then under, then down, then under, ...
[15:24:36] <Darke> Nadir: Well, at least that explains why he's down all the time anyway. <grin>
[15:24:40] <Colourless> well, ping timeouts are somewhat unavoidable no?
[15:25:10] <Nadir> Well, just keep blaming those harmless pings then...
[15:25:56] <Colourless> Closing Link: Colourless[Cless@] (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
[15:25:56] <Colourless> -
[15:25:58] <Colourless> wht?
[15:26:00] <Colourless> wtf?
[15:26:09] <Colourless> i mean, it even told me the reason
[15:26:28] <Colourless> if it can do that, i'm pretty sure i'm still connected :-)
[15:29:39] * Darke snickers. Bizzarre.
[15:43:07] * sbx has to go... See you all later.
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[15:55:07] <Nadir> Darke: how can I get a list of available usecode functions with ucxt ?
[15:56:16] <Nadir> ./ucxt -fl -a
[15:56:18] <Darke> 'ucxt -fl -a'
[15:56:24] <Nadir> :)
[15:56:46] <Darke> <grin> I need to look at my chat window more often.
[15:57:33] <Darke> It should be somewhat 'intuitive' once you know the basic logic. <grin> Or at least sbx says it is.
[16:01:36] <Darke> Incidentally, is there any 'use' for having a command line conf/ file (exult.cfg for example) editor in cvs? (something like 'cfgmod exult.cfg add "config/disk/game/title" "default"') I'm just hacking together a q&d one, if there's a use, I'll clean it up a bit and commit it on my next commit (under tools/).
[16:02:26] <Nadir> good idea. q&d stands for ... ?
[16:03:21] <Darke> 'quick & dirty' <grin>
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[16:03:34] <Cless> sigh
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[16:04:44] <Nadir> Darke: make sure you provide <cough> documentation <cough>
[16:06:53] <Soul|LOVE> iyty
[16:06:56] <Soul|LOVE> 07 n96g7576475tk9p7i907i89p7k 896]
[16:07:13] <Darke> Nadir: I'll be impressed if this 'evolves' into something that can't be documented in a 'usage:' and a few sprinkled comments in the code. But I'll try and put some 'sane' documentation together 'soon'. Incidentally, is there a common location for the docs for the utils in tools/ ? Just in docs/ with the rest of the... err... docs?
[16:09:08] <Nadir> anywhere you like. It's up to the packaging mechanism to stick them in the right place.
[16:09:56] <Nadir> e.g. under RedHat, you would get a /usr/share/doc/exult-tools-0.97cvs/expack.txt
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[16:11:15] <Darke> NP. So cmanip (exe), cmanip.cc (source), cmanip.txt (docs) would be the pattern for it, just like expack.
[16:12:26] <Nadir> exactly
[16:12:42] <Nadir> After 1.0, we should restructure our directories again a bit
[16:13:03] <Nadir> (it's all a bit messy)
[16:14:55] <Darke> <nod> I think ucc and ucxt probably should be under tools, get rid of some of the older 'obsolete' tools, and shuffle the documentation around in docs/ a bit. <grin> Not to mention the file structure under ucxt/ is... excentric also.
[16:15:07] <Nadir> :)
[16:19:18] * Darke considers it a side effect of working under dos for so many years without any sort of rcs, you wouldn't have wanted to see what the 'original' stucture of it was before I did my first cvs commit. <grin>
[16:21:00] <Nadir> flat ?
[16:21:23] <Nadir> actually having data files in a Docs directory was a bit weird...
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[16:22:33] <wjp> hi
[16:23:23] <Nadir> hi
[16:23:33] <Darke> Anything but. <grin> Almost a recursive tree structure with 'backups' of previous code versions, files called ucfunc.cc.old (or ucfunc.old). A general mess, opcodes.txt was weird. It should be called .data, but that can be 'fixed' sometime later if I change the file format, and it started as a 'flat' documentation of the exult opcodes, it kind of got data-file-ized accidentally.
[16:23:51] <Darke> Hi wjp.
[16:24:44] * wjp just saw this funny "proof" that Pi is in fact 3.10something (and rational) by an amateur Polish "mathematician"
[16:25:00] <wjp> he brought it by our math. department
[16:25:04] * Darke may have mentioned he converted an ancient copy of rogue partially from C to C++, _that_ was a flat file structure, and a nightmare.
[16:25:18] * Darke boggles at wjp.
[16:26:05] <wjp> turned out he also wrote a letter to TI claiming their calculators didn't multiply by 2 properly
[16:26:33] <wjp> ie. Pi displays as 3.1415927 on an 8-digit TI calc.
[16:26:55] <Darke> <blinkblink> Umm... sure. I take it you were backing away slowly to call security as he was talking? <grin>
[16:27:03] <wjp> 2*Pi displays as 6.2831853 which is NOT 2*3.1415927 :-)
[16:27:13] <Nadir> Darke: have you started adding intrinsics support to ucxt ?
[16:27:17] <wjp> I wasn't there when he was :-(
[16:28:33] <Darke> Nadir: Outputting the intrinsic name, rather then the number? It's only been delayed since I was banging my head against this bug. <grin> Give me a few minutes to check how 'easy' it is and I might be able to add & test it in the next half hour.
[16:28:50] <Nadir> might make everything much more readable
[16:29:07] <wjp> he basically just said "Pi is too large, and it's transcendental, so let's make up a 'better' Pi" (without giving any foundation on why this new number would have ANYTHING to do with Pi, of course...)
[16:29:17] * Darke nods, he'd just forgotten about it, that's all.
[16:29:39] * Darke thinks this guy was a complete nutter.
[16:29:47] * wjp would tend to agree :-)
[16:30:23] <wjp> oh, Darke, I hope you don't mind that Dominus and I picked the colour pink for you in exultbot's logs
[16:30:27] <wjp> (same colour as Nadir)
[16:31:17] * Darke grins and points to the 'top' of today's logs. "I don't mind it."
[16:32:17] * Darke considers it just gives him an excuse to paint Colourless pink the next time he gets a chance.
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[16:34:37] <wjp> hi
[16:34:58] <Soul|LOVE> HERRO
[16:35:54] <Colourless> hi
[16:38:37] * Darke pulls a yo-yo out from behind his ear and starts idly spinning it. "Hello again Colourless." <grin>
[16:39:00] <Colourless> :-)
[16:39:20] <Soul|LOVE> w36gb 4^Uwe69wve56u9qwc($%^Uwe459q29D%^UQGV^QJFCQJ(S)@EKazEK)
[16:40:38] * Darke considers that he can never put the correct number if 'i's in 'intrinsics' nor can he put them in the correct places.
[16:43:43] * Darke watches _lots_ of code break. It's the easiest way of getting the right variables to the right points in the code though. <grin>
[16:44:22] * Soul|LOVE just watched a bowl break
[16:44:29] <Soul|LOVE> lousy 20 year old microwave
[16:45:59] <Soul|LOVE> lmoa
[16:46:00] <Soul|LOVE> lmao
[16:46:02] <Soul|LOVE> i love that
[16:46:34] * Darke nods, it's generally Not Good.
[16:46:50] <Soul|LOVE> "Here are your messages: You have 30 minutes to move your car : You have 10 minutes : Your car has been towed : Your car has been crushed into a cube : You have 30 minutes to move your cube"
[16:47:45] * Darke snickers, and can't remember where that quote if from.
[16:48:10] <Soul|LOVE> the simpsons of course!
[16:49:02] <Darke> Of course.
[16:50:14] * Darke thinks his source files also need a major clean up. <ickfluff>
[16:58:56] <Darke> Nadir: This look right? :
[16:59:04] <Darke> 000C: callis get_item_flag@02
[16:59:15] <Darke> 0034: calli close_gumps@00
[16:59:56] <Darke> It should also Just Work(tm) with SI, but I'm not familiar enough with it at the moment to be sure. <grin>
[17:00:17] <wjp> what is it?
[17:00:40] <Darke> wjp: I've just added the intrinsic 'name' output support to ucxt. I'd forgotten to add it.
[17:01:07] <wjp> looks ok
[17:01:19] <wjp> function 0x96 I guess?
[17:05:50] <Darke> Yep. I'm just trying to check those are the correct names, but ucdump doesn't seem to want to work for me.
[17:05:50] <wjp> they're the right ones
[17:05:50] <Darke> Thanks.
[17:05:50] <wjp> wud is the disassembler I used for my current usecode dumps, btw
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[17:17:35] <Darke> Done. Things can now officially crash and burn horribly. <grin>
[17:17:42] <Soul|LOVE> good job
[17:17:52] * wjp updates and compiles
[17:19:23] <Nadir> bye all
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[17:19:27] <Darke> And yet another magic symbol in the opcodes.txt file '%i1' means to output the 'intrinsic name' of the parameter %1. <grin> Needs documentation.
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[17:24:16] <rovragge> hi
[17:24:16] <wjp> hi
[17:24:16] <Darke> Hi. <bow>
[17:24:16] <Colourless> hi
[17:24:16] <rovragge> have a character movement problem on isle of avatar
[17:24:16] <rovragge> dungeon, 156S 195E
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[17:25:24] <rovragge> how do get those coords?
[17:25:28] <wjp> press F2
[17:25:46] <rovragge> 0af9, 0b58, 00
[17:26:02] * wjp kicks his non-working copy of exult
[17:27:00] * Soul|LOVE plans to make some eggs
[17:27:07] <wjp> again? :-)
[17:27:13] <Soul|LOVE> I'm hungry and unmarried.
[17:27:22] * Darke read that as 'plans to lay some eggs'...
[17:27:33] <Soul|LOVE> Pretty much!
[17:28:36] <wjp> hmm... it looks like it will take several hours at least to get rid of those interesting bugs I've been introducing the last couple of days
[17:29:54] <rovragge> wjp: found the spot?
[17:30:03] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[17:30:08] <wjp> no, BG crashes when I start it, atm :-)
[17:30:15] <Soul|LOVE> why does XP give itself such a massively insane size-wize paeg file?
[17:30:27] <Soul|LOVE> 98se was usually around 60mb, nt 4 sp5 was around 64-128
[17:30:32] <Soul|LOVE> in some rare cases 200-300
[17:30:50] <Soul|LOVE> and now XP comes along and ingests a massive chunk of 768-1.5gb
[17:31:00] <Soul|LOVE> for just the page file!
[17:31:00] <Colourless> doesn't here
[17:31:09] <Soul|LOVE> XP Corp edition
[17:31:24] <Soul|LOVE> what's your swap file size?
[17:31:26] <Colourless> xp sizes the page file based on the amount of physical ram you have
[17:31:28] <Soul|LOVE> and did you install XP fresh
[17:31:48] <Soul|LOVE> erm... both on that machine and an older one it gave itself 768mb
[17:32:01] <Colourless> well, just change it
[17:32:06] <Soul|LOVE> i did :/
[17:32:19] <Soul|LOVE> it "reccomends" 1.5gb
[17:32:24] <Soul|LOVE> recommends rather
[17:40:48] <rovragge> wjp: the bug didnt stop me at last.. but it was tricky to navigate, with lots of "lock-ups"
[17:44:59] <rovragge> can you transfer spells between spellbooks?
[17:47:00] <Colourless> no
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[18:12:50] * Darke considers this has been the most productive night he's had in a while, he'll have to get people to whip him more often. <grin>
[18:19:48] <Soul|LOVE> mmmm 12 eggs scrambled to perfection with butter & sugar & egg-cooked toast pieces and all for me
[18:21:20] * Darke acks. If that's your standard 'meal', I'll be surprised you'll live 'til you get married without your arteries spontaneously congeling. <grin>
[18:22:03] <Soul|LOVE> :(
[18:22:11] <Soul|LOVE> i told you i need to get married
[18:22:38] * Darke giggles, "Or learn how to cook. <grin> This buck isn't married."
[18:22:47] <Soul|LOVE> i cannot learn how to cook
[18:24:41] <Darke> Hmm... completely incapable of cooking? I occasionally hear rumours of such creatures. <grin>
[18:25:30] <Soul|LOVE> I can make eggs, ramen, and occasionally shake & bake
[18:25:34] <wjp> wasn't the microwave invented for that? :-)
[18:25:43] <Soul|LOVE> beyond that, I must flee from the kitchen, it hates me
[18:26:00] <Soul|LOVE> one time I tried to make peanut butter cookies
[18:26:11] <Soul|LOVE> I ended up with, I swear, this 6x6 inch lump of brown
[18:26:17] <Soul|LOVE> and it was hard
[18:26:24] <Soul|LOVE> like peanut brittle
[18:26:28] <Soul|LOVE> it also had no flavor
[18:27:59] * Darke is overtaken by a fit of the giggles. "So you have only slightly less skill then myself then. <grin> I cook 'simple' things. Buscuits aren't 'simple', or at least most of them aren't."
[18:28:20] <Soul|LOVE> also, the dog burned his nose on the oven
[18:28:32] * Darke boggles.
[18:28:33] <Soul|LOVE> twice
[18:30:13] * Darke bows and would love to continue conversing, but must go to sleep, since he can see the sun rising. "Night all!"
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[18:45:22] <wjp> hmm, is it me or do party members trigger teleport eggs?
[18:47:38] <Colourless> they do?
[18:48:11] <wjp> when I hack-move Iolo onto a teleporter I get teleported
[18:48:22] <wjp> might be a problem with my local changes, though
[18:50:09] <Colourless> hmm, i might have caused that problem :-)
[18:50:10] <Colourless> but then again, you hack moved iolo, and I don't think my changes effected hack moving
[18:50:16] <Soul|LOVE> well
[18:50:25] <Soul|LOVE> there was one person in here complaining that he couldn't finish this one part
[18:50:30] <Soul|LOVE> because his companions would walk on teleporters
[18:50:32] <wjp> I hacked hack-moving severely :-)
[18:50:41] <wjp> Soul|LOVE: yeah, that's why I tried it
[18:51:26] <Colourless> ah, that sounds more like something that would have been caused by my changes to get fields and mirrors to work correctly
[18:52:23] <Soul|LOVE> i reinstalled ultima 9 today :/
[18:52:33] <Colourless> teleport eggs are set to 'party_enter' or something similar for their criteria, that would be why you are being teleported
[18:52:59] <Soul|LOVE> :( Oh I wish I wish I hadn't killed that fish :(
[18:53:00] <Colourless> and?
[18:56:57] <Soul|LOVE> my hero
[18:57:24] <wjp> so teleporters are supposed to be triggered by party members?
[18:57:41] <wjp> makes our party-following even more annoying...
[18:57:43] <Soul|LOVE> not in the oginal
[18:57:45] <Soul|LOVE> err
[18:57:48] <Soul|LOVE> original *
[18:58:06] <Soul|LOVE> or maybe they did, but as I recall they would avoid objects if possible
[18:58:14] <Soul|LOVE> but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't teleport
[18:58:35] <Soul|LOVE> i could go find out right now if ya want me to
[18:58:46] <Colourless> no they are not supposed to be teleporting around
[18:59:22] <wjp> the entire party is teleported around, btw
[19:00:24] <Colourless> yeah. only the avatar is supposed to trigger teleport eggs.
[19:00:40] <Colourless> the fix should be pretty simple
[19:05:10] <Soul|LOVE> anyone remember what the take screenshot key is in ultima 9?
[19:08:14] <wjp> no, sorry
[19:19:33] <Colourless> time for me to go
[19:19:46] <wjp> bye
[19:20:01] <Colourless> cya
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[21:39:05] <wjp> LOL: http://sl1me.lfx.org/msg/exult-naomi2.jpg
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