#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 10 Feb 2001 (GMT)

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[00:00:15] <jameson> debuild wants me to /sign/ the package???
[00:00:20] <jameson> Oh well...
[00:00:34] <jameson> BTW, where can I upload a release package to?
[00:00:47] <wjp> SF
[00:01:11] <wjp> download.sourceforge.net, /incoming
[00:01:21] <jameson> THX!
[00:01:57] <wjp> you need to do some other stuff afther that, though
[00:03:05] <wjp> to quote Jeff: It can be an >interesting< (as in time-consuming, aggravating,
[00:03:05] <wjp> hair-pulling) experience.
[00:03:11] <jameson> Well, I guess I need to get it to Exult's ftp space somehow...
[00:03:15] <jameson> Uh-oh...
[00:03:36] * jameson pulls out his adventurer's hat
[00:03:39] <wjp> it's not that hard :-)
[00:03:42] <jameson> OK, here we go again...
[00:03:44] <jameson> ;-)
[00:03:53] <jameson> Will I need firearms?
[00:04:05] <wjp> only light ones
[00:04:15] <wjp> I'll provide the heavy artillery :-)
[00:04:30] <jameson> Fine!
[00:04:34] <jameson> So I'll... be in front?
[00:04:48] <jameson> May I reconsider?
[00:04:48] <wjp> <evil grin> yes :-)
[00:04:50] <wjp> no :-)
[00:05:01] <jameson> Uh-oh...
[00:05:05] <wjp> let me know when you've uploaded it
[00:05:09] <jameson> Done.
[00:05:28] <jameson> Both the .deb and the .dsc are in /incoming.
[00:05:36] <jameson> They're even signed.
[00:05:39] <wjp> what's a .dsc?
[00:05:48] <jameson> Although I don't think anybody else has my public key...
[00:05:59] <jameson> A .dsc appears to be a mini-meta-description.
[00:06:16] <jameson> It's not really informative, just contains architecture, maintainer, and signature.
[00:06:19] <wjp> hmmm... is it necessary?
[00:06:27] <wjp> and/or useful?
[00:06:31] <jameson> I don't actually know that, but it was generated in the build process...
[00:06:41] <jameson> Hmm, I'll check that.
[00:07:02] <jameson> incoming.debian.org has .dsc for some of their .debs, but not for all of them.
[00:07:19] <jameson> Wait, those are the .changes files.
[00:07:48] <jameson> But they have .dsc ones, too.
[00:08:11] <jameson> Oh well, I don't think it's neccessary.
[00:08:26] <wjp> ok :-)
[00:08:41] <wjp> anyway, you need to login to SF
[00:09:02] <wjp> after, go to the 'admin' section of the exult page
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[00:11:01] <jameson> Edit/Add File releases?
[00:11:32] <wjp> yes
[00:11:42] <jameson> OK...
[00:11:54] <wjp> then select "edit release" for the exult-all-versions package
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[00:12:39] <wjp> and then "edit release" on the alpha2 version
[00:13:46] <wjp> after that, go to "step 2". There should be a file list there
[00:14:38] <jameson> Yes, all of incoming is there. I selected my file and pressed the appropriate button.
[00:14:44] <jameson> Still waiting for the results...
[00:14:57] <wjp> that step takes a while
[00:15:07] <wjp> (SF is probably moving the file internally or something)
[00:15:59] <wjp> when it's done, you'll get the same page back, but with the file you selected added to the list at the bottom
[00:16:12] <wjp> set the proper values for filetype and architecture, submit, and you're done
[00:16:25] <jameson> OK, thanks a lot!
[00:16:40] <wjp> np :-)
[00:23:31] <wjp> time for some sleep... g'night
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[00:26:00] <jameson> Good night, everyone...
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[00:27:23] <Fingolfin> ?seen jameson
[00:27:23] <exultbot> jameson left #exult around Sat Feb 10 00:26:05 2001 (GMT)
[00:27:31] <Fingolfin> nooooooooo
[00:27:38] <Fingolfin> so close :(
[00:27:42] <Fingolfin> ?seen wjp
[00:27:42] <exultbot> wjp left IRC around Sat Feb 10 00:23:48 2001 (GMT) ([x]chat)
[00:27:45] <Fingolfin> ?log
[00:27:45] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[00:28:33] <Kirben> jameson is still online
[00:35:15] <Fingolfin> hmm
[00:35:32] <Fingolfin> what do you mean?
[00:37:27] <Fingolfin> kirben: what do you mean he's still online?
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[02:11:10] <teka> Hello
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[12:01:16] <Kirben> Hi
[12:01:18] <Fingolfin> hi kirben
[12:02:02] <Kirben> BTW before I mean jameson was still on irc server but not any channels. I think he went to sleep though anyway
[12:05:40] <Fingolfin> well, /who / /whois didn't show him to me
[12:06:20] <Kirben> odd, I always use /whois nick nick myself so I can see idle time and away status too
[12:06:38] <Fingolfin> tsa, whatever ;)
[12:06:41] <Fingolfin> not so important
[12:07:01] <Kirben> btw where are irc logs of this channel again ? I forgot address
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[12:07:12] <Colourless> hu
[12:07:21] <Colourless> i meant hi :)
[12:07:39] <Kirben> Hi
[12:07:47] <Fingolfin> lo
[12:08:42] <Colourless> so there is a conspiracy hey :)
[12:08:53] <Fingolfin> sure there is!
[12:08:57] <Fingolfin> "one" ???
[12:09:03] <Fingolfin> "a" ???
[12:09:05] <Fingolfin> thousands!
[12:09:18] <Colourless> well, just wait a minute and I'll show you something :)
[12:12:26] <Fingolfin> uh oh
[12:14:00] <Colourless> finding what I want is proving more difficult than i thought... it's almost as if it's gone :)
[12:15:44] <Colourless> ok, here goes
[12:17:20] <Fingolfin> ?
[12:17:28] <Colourless> :) just a second
[12:17:58] <Colourless> firstly it started on Jan 31st at 14:06:27. Have allok at the 5th bottom line here
[12:17:59] <Colourless> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3?log=31Jan2001
[12:17:59] <Colourless> Then when returned on the first of feb I said nothing. AFter that on the 5th of febuary, the next time i was on, i had to leave because the connection wasn't secure :)
[12:17:59] <Colourless> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3?log=5Feb2001
[12:18:54] <Fingolfin> <g>
[12:20:41] <Colourless> :)
[12:21:29] <Colourless> i also have an alarmingly high number of ping timeout disconnections :)
[12:22:02] <Fingolfin> "he's dead, jim" ;)
[12:22:43] <Fingolfin> I knew you were fraud!
[12:23:06] <Colourless> my memory is also being erased. I got an email the other day that contained some quotes that it swore i said. We'll I can't remember saying them, but a friend of mine says i did. You see, the conspiracy is alive an well, i just can't say what it is :)
[12:25:55] <Colourless> Am I mad?
[12:27:18] <Fingolfin> yes, but do not worry
[12:27:24] <Fingolfin> the man will soon come to help ya
[12:27:38] <Colourless> uh ok
[12:36:33] <Fingolfin> would it be bad if the numbering in the FAQ changed?
[12:37:04] <Colourless> probably not.
[12:37:18] <Colourless> i don't think anyone has been paying much attention to it really
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[12:39:08] <Fingolfin> ok
[12:50:01] <Fingolfin> hm, FAQ generating works smoothly... I still have to convert half of the questions/answers to the new format, though
[12:50:15] <Fingolfin> nice thing: it is very easy to change the look of everything now
[13:00:16] <Fingolfin> and I need to update a lot of questions for 0.91alpha2
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[13:40:56] <wjp> hi
[13:44:28] <Fingolfin> hi
[13:44:49] <Colourless> hi
[13:45:14] <wjp> maybe I should get exultbot not to log my remarks that contain the word 'Max' or 'Fingolfin' ;-)
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[13:51:55] <wjp> wb
[13:52:24] <Fingolfin> crashed, for no particular reason, hrmmm
[13:52:26] <Fingolfin> but the FAQ-o-matic is working nicely
[13:53:00] <wjp> what is this XSL (?), btw? some kind of XML->something else translator?
[13:53:16] <Fingolfin> well, yeah, so to say
[13:53:28] <Fingolfin> check out http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt.html
[13:54:04] <Fingolfin> and http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/
[13:54:21] <wjp> thx
[13:54:40] <Fingolfin> basically, XSL is a XML language that describes how to transform arbitrary XML to something else
[13:54:48] <Fingolfin> I can upload the files I use, I guess
[13:55:05] <Fingolfin> I use Xalan, a Java based XSL handler from the apache group
[13:55:13] <Fingolfin> http://xml.apache.org/xalan/
[13:55:30] * wjp opens yet another browser window :-)
[13:57:36] <wjp> java... hmm... I wonder if my system is properly configured for running java programs
[13:58:10] <Fingolfin> tsa ;)
[14:00:48] <wjp> I need a new email client... I'm starting to dislike NSmail
[14:05:13] <wjp> hmm... I have to go pick up a book I ordered
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[14:15:37] <Fingolfin> ?log
[14:15:37] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[14:24:55] <Fingolfin> check http://fingolfin.dyndns.org/exult_faq.html
[14:24:59] <Fingolfin> it is not finished, I know ;)
[14:25:03] <Fingolfin> http://fingolfin.dyndns.org/exult_faq.xml is the source file
[14:25:12] <Fingolfin> and http://fingolfin.dyndns.org/faq.xsl is the XSL file
[14:25:18] <Colourless> ok
[14:26:58] <Fingolfin> ah, forgot to add the images, done now
[14:28:19] <Colourless> Foo? :) Ahh, so the answer is bar :). But what is bar... ahhh baz.... but what is baz... foo!!?!?! ARRRHHHHGGGG :)
[14:29:09] <Fingolfin> LOL ;)
[14:29:32] <Fingolfin> I had this previously link to each other to test my <ref> tag ;)
[14:30:20] <Colourless> :)
[14:30:45] <Colourless> umm, this doesn't work: doesn'tĘłupport
[14:32:12] <Colourless> that's in 2.5
[14:33:49] <Fingolfin> ups,thx
[14:37:11] <Fingolfin> try again
[14:38:45] <Colourless> better
[14:40:27] <Colourless> hmm, interesting. i just pressed a key in the original Serpent Isle and it brought up a screen that i've never seen before
[14:40:36] <Fingolfin> ?
[14:40:43] <Fingolfin> which one?
[14:40:48] <Fingolfin> screenshot?
[14:43:15] <Colourless> no screenshot
[14:43:51] <Colourless> i went to press F3 but i pressed some other keys with my hand by accident. It looked like it as a Alt-key combination
[14:44:30] <Fingolfin> so, what did that screen show? was it a in-game screen or some special screen?
[14:45:12] <Colourless> it was text screen. two coloumn of options in the upper half of the screen and a prompt down the bottom.
[14:45:55] <Colourless> these were the options
[14:45:56] <Colourless> [0] Bark
[14:45:57] <Colourless> [1] Converse/Default
[14:45:57] <Colourless> [2] Action
[14:45:57] <Colourless> [3] Trigger
[14:45:57] <Colourless> [4] Combat
[14:45:58] <Colourless> [5] Equip
[14:46:00] <Colourless> [6] Unequip
[14:46:02] <Colourless> [7] NearDeath
[14:46:04] <Colourless> [8] Polymorph
[14:46:06] <Colourless> [9] Talking
[14:46:08] <Colourless> [X] Exit
[14:47:13] <Fingolfin> tsa
[14:47:20] <Fingolfin> some cheat screen then
[14:48:43] <Colourless> yeah, but what was it. it might just have been an f2 thing.
[14:53:50] <Colourless> it doesn't really matter
[15:06:28] <wjp|away> Fingolfin: FAQ looks good!
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[15:12:43] <Fingolfin> wjp: wb and thx ;)
[15:20:14] <Colourless> the cheats in Exult are useful. I wish the originals had Alt-T
[15:20:43] <Fingolfin> <g>
[15:20:51] <Fingolfin> ok, I added the cheat keys to the FAQ, too
[15:21:09] <Fingolfin> now I need to go to visit my grandpa (and eat something before), so I'll be gone for some time
[15:21:17] <Colourless> ok
[15:21:20] <Fingolfin> you can, if you want, look at the source .xml file, I uploaded it, too
[15:21:21] <wjp> ok, see you later
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[15:21:41] <wjp> I should go do some homework :-(
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[15:21:54] <Fingolfin|away> do it ;)
[15:22:10] <wjp|busy> :-)
[15:23:03] <Colourless> :)
[15:28:29] <Colourless> hmmm. i double clicked a clock and it said 2:00 when it's actually 8:14 hmmm
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[18:44:53] <Fingolfin> hiya
[18:45:00] <Colourless> hi
[18:45:13] <Fingolfin> lo ryan
[18:45:19] <Fingolfin> wjp|busy: ah come on, nobody believes you are busy ;)
[18:54:04] <Fingolfin> .
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[19:20:34] <wjp> well, ok, so I was having dinner...
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[19:21:04] <Fingolfin|dinner> and I have dinner now ;)
[19:21:13] <wjp> :-)
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[19:50:06] <Colourless> cya
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[19:52:05] <Fingolfin> there he goes
[19:52:15] <Fingolfin> this faq is taking more time than I anticipated
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[20:18:58] <AD_Slade> Hello.
[20:23:41] <wjp> hi
[20:25:39] <AD_Slade> exciting channel.
[20:25:40] <AD_Slade> heh
[20:25:45] <wjp> :-)
[20:26:46] <AD_Slade> you work on exult?
[20:27:01] <wjp> yes, though not right now
[20:27:40] <AD_Slade> well, anyhow, I'd just like to thanks. It kicks ass.
[20:28:01] <wjp> thanks :-)
[20:29:14] <AD_Slade> You ever use that Wizard editing program?
[20:29:31] <wjp> no, it's windows-only :-(
[20:30:05] <AD_Slade> oh.. well I use windows. But it still dosn't work. I get an error that says I must run and play the game once to use it... And I was wondering if there was anyway around that.
[20:30:43] <wjp> hmmm, maybe play the game once? ;-)
[20:31:01] <wjp> do you use win98 or NT/2000?
[20:31:13] <AD_Slade> 9
[20:31:15] <AD_Slade> 98
[20:31:33] <wjp> do you know "u7run" ?
[20:32:40] <AD_Slade> no...?
[20:32:44] <wjp> the URL is http://members.iinet.net.au/~rsd/U7inWindows.html
[20:32:55] <wjp> it allows you to run the original BG/SI in windows
[20:32:56] <AD_Slade> oh...
[20:33:02] <AD_Slade> does it work well?
[20:33:06] <wjp> yup
[20:33:41] <wjp> it basically circumvents U7's custom memory manager
[20:33:53] <AD_Slade> wooo!
[20:33:55] <AD_Slade> thnx!
[20:33:59] <wjp> np
[20:35:28] <AD_Slade> You ever play Graal?
[20:35:33] <wjp> what's that?
[20:35:34] <AD_Slade> the online zelda thing?
[20:35:42] <Fingolfin> nope never
[20:35:53] <Fingolfin> never heard of it in fact ;)
[20:35:53] <wjp> do you have a URL?
[20:35:58] * wjp neither :-)
[20:36:11] <AD_Slade> alright.. I'll try to get one.
[20:36:42] <wjp> graalonline.com?
[20:37:07] <AD_Slade> http://www.graalonline.com/
[20:37:07] <AD_Slade> yeah
[20:38:45] <AD_Slade> Well... Is U7 way to complicated to create a client and do all that crap, to make an effective Ultima7/exult online; like Zelda/Graal online?
[20:39:26] <wjp> there's a project doing an U7online, but I'm not sure if it's still active
[20:39:52] <wjp> (URL should be in the Exult links section at exult.sourceforge.net/links.shtml)
[20:41:25] <AD_Slade> Nope, not in there.
[20:42:07] <wjp> hmm
[20:43:37] <Fingolfin> it should be there
[20:43:58] <wjp> www.geocities.com/ultima7online
[20:44:10] <wjp> which is redirected to u7o.cjb.net...
[20:44:16] <Fingolfin> maybe it got lost
[20:44:23] <Fingolfin> I will readd it
[20:44:26] <wjp> which is redirected to sourceforge.net/projects/u7o
[20:45:11] <wjp> no, u7o.cjb.net is the one
[20:45:12] <AD_Slade> october 3rd... encouraging
[20:45:40] <Fingolfin> bah, graal is windows only :(
[20:45:51] <AD_Slade> :(
[20:46:06] <wjp> I don't suppose it's open-source?
[20:46:23] <wjp> hey, u7o seems to be written in Delphi
[20:46:45] <AD_Slade> is that good?
[20:46:51] <Fingolfin> hrm
[20:46:55] <Fingolfin> it means it is not portable
[20:46:58] <wjp> portability-wise no
[20:47:20] <AD_Slade> oh... :(
[20:49:50] <AD_Slade> But would it be possible to do with exult? with a client and all that?
[20:50:06] * AD_Slade shakes his fist at UO
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[20:58:59] <AD_Slade> You have any idea when the exult editor thing will come out?
[20:59:28] <wjp> no :-)
[20:59:39] <AD_Slade> heh
[20:59:41] <AD_Slade> shucks
[20:59:42] <AD_Slade> heh
[21:00:22] <wjp> oh, btw, it should be at least possible to do an online exult, but I don't think we're going to
[21:00:44] <AD_Slade> ack!
[21:00:45] <AD_Slade> :(
[21:01:08] <AD_Slade> then what are the "plans"?
[21:01:23] <AD_Slade> besides getting U7 to run the way it shoud compleltly
[21:01:32] <AD_Slade> which is a uber task unto it's own, I'm sure.
[21:01:43] <wjp> :-)
[21:02:36] <wjp> well, finish the editor, improve SI support
[21:03:10] <AD_Slade> what exactly is the extent of the editor going to be? like... schedules and stuff?
[21:03:37] <wjp> it should be a full game-editor someday, allowing you to create a new Ultima7-like game from scratch
[21:03:54] <AD_Slade> wow. but I see a "should" :)
[21:04:11] <wjp> it's all voluntary work :-)
[21:04:15] <AD_Slade> heheheh
[21:05:20] <AD_Slade> Any idea if SIs polymorphing will be implemented into BG?
[21:06:17] <wjp> hmm... as a new spell?
[21:06:27] <AD_Slade> well possibly.
[21:06:33] <AD_Slade> but, in teh SI debug mode..
[21:06:39] <wjp> could be a new cheat
[21:06:43] <AD_Slade> you can polymorph yourself and others.
[21:06:57] <wjp> polymorphing into a dragon has a nice ring to it :-)
[21:06:57] <AD_Slade> It definatly made the game alot of fun.
[21:07:18] * AD_Slade turned Shamino's castle into a palace...
[21:07:31] <AD_Slade> took abunch of people and turned them into servents and guards
[21:07:33] <AD_Slade> and whatnot.
[21:07:36] <wjp> :-)
[21:07:54] <AD_Slade> screw dragon... ethreal beast!
[21:08:21] <wjp> ouch :-)
[21:08:28] <wjp> those things pack quite a punch
[21:08:47] * wjp is glad glass swords exist :-)
[21:09:02] <AD_Slade> fraid so.
[21:09:02] <AD_Slade> heh
[21:09:18] * AD_Slade still has a huge list around somewhere of all the polymorph codes
[21:09:28] <AD_Slade> hahah yeah... if it's big and grizzly, buts out the the glass.
[21:10:29] <AD_Slade> I would suppose if Exult was to be massive multiplayer.. someone would have to stretch the world out abit?
[21:11:02] <wjp> the world would have to be redesigned yes
[21:11:22] <AD_Slade> Can you add... chunks onto the size of the world? or is there an unalterable limit?
[21:11:53] <AD_Slade> I had a friend who hex edited abunch of chunks... and created an atlantis in the ocean.
[21:12:01] <wjp> any limits exist only because of compatibility with BG
[21:12:31] <wjp> we will probably get rid of most of them someday. (like world-size, maximum building height, etc...)
[21:12:55] <AD_Slade> Howso? Couldn't someone, (theoreticly) just go into the source and say.. "Instead of 1000x1000 chunks, 10,000x10,000"
[21:13:27] <wjp> the problem is that the BG data structures only had a fixed nr. of bits to store coordinates
[21:13:36] <wjp> s/had/have/
[21:14:02] <AD_Slade> could that be edited?
[21:14:17] <wjp> yes, but not easily
[21:14:27] <AD_Slade> oh.
[21:14:56] * AD_Slade hopes U7 will go free like U4 did... I bet it would make it alot more popular.
[21:15:23] <wjp> but as I said, we will probably remove those limits someday
[21:15:31] <wjp> yes, that would be nice :-)
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[21:17:35] <AD_Slade> Does the exult team need/want mirrors?
[21:18:17] <wjp> hmmm.. not really I think. SF should have enough bandwidth. Links would be nice though :-)
[21:18:36] <AD_Slade> well...
[21:18:46] <AD_Slade> Maybe I should finally put up my U7 section on my page.
[21:18:52] <AD_Slade> hailjamie.com
[21:20:09] <AD_Slade> Also.. I'll see about getting a link on tiecorps.org (star wars online gaming club)
[21:22:45] <wjp> hmm... interesting... your 404 page has mime type application/octet-stream
[21:23:12] <wjp> (btw, is MIME originally french or something?)
[21:23:47] <Fingolfin> don't think so... of course that would explain the "octet" ;)
[21:24:06] <wjp> yeah, that's why I asked :-)
[21:26:26] <AD_Slade> 404?
[21:26:35] <wjp> 'page not found''
[21:26:42] <AD_Slade> where?
[21:27:13] <wjp> there's no proper 'page not found' page. Instead, it asks if you want to save it to disk
[21:27:33] <wjp> try hailjamie.com/dskrthuwi or something :-)
[21:27:36] <AD_Slade> this on my page?
[21:27:43] <AD_Slade> k.
[21:28:04] <AD_Slade> 404 ERROR - The page you requested could not be found.
[21:28:05] <AD_Slade> The URL may have changed or the particular page you are looking for was removed or is temporarily unavailable.
[21:29:41] <AD_Slade> Above, I think you mentioned... something about the building height limits? Can/will that be, fixed? So we could make 40 story super skyscrapers?
[21:30:55] <wjp> 'someday', yes :-)
[21:31:02] <wjp> (probably)
[21:31:31] <AD_Slade> heheh
[21:31:45] <AD_Slade> Have you ever used RPGmaker95, RPGMaker2k or the PSX one?
[21:31:57] <wjp> no
[21:32:20] <AD_Slade> heard of it?
[21:32:25] <wjp> vaguely
[21:33:13] <wjp> weird, 'octet-stream' is already in the first MIME RFC, and the authors are both americans
[21:33:52] <AD_Slade> http://rpgmaker.chat.ru/
[21:34:34] <Fingolfin> wjp: well, I guess they were "different" ;)
[21:34:55] <wjp> HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found
[21:34:55] <wjp> Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
[21:34:55] <wjp> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:31:50 GMT
[21:34:55] <wjp> Content-Length: 927
[21:34:55] <wjp> Content-Type: application/octet-stream
[21:35:42] <wjp> and on our univ.'s math. webserver:
[21:35:44] <wjp> HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
[21:35:44] <wjp> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:35:12 GMT
[21:35:44] <wjp> Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.18 mod_perl/1.21
[21:35:44] <wjp> Connection: close
[21:35:44] <wjp> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
[21:36:25] <AD_Slade> ....?
[21:37:03] <wjp> these are the headers returned for the 404 not found pages on your webserver, and the math. webserver at my univ
[21:37:29] <AD_Slade> meaning?
[21:37:37] <AD_Slade> is there any significance to it?
[21:37:44] <wjp> the 'Content-Type' on your webserver is 'application/octet-stream', while on the other it's 'text/html'
[21:38:19] <wjp> no, no real significance :-)
[21:38:32] <AD_Slade> octet-stream <---octet=text html=stream?
[21:38:33] <AD_Slade> hehehhe
[21:38:44] <wjp> hehe :-)
[21:38:52] <AD_Slade> It's not mine, it's a friends who gave me some webspace
[21:38:53] <AD_Slade> heh
[21:38:57] <wjp> 'octet' is the word the french use for 'byte'
[21:39:04] <AD_Slade> ah
[21:39:30] <wjp> (and it's pseudo-latin for an eight-tuple)
[21:39:40] * AD_Slade blinks
[21:39:43] <AD_Slade> oh.
[21:39:53] <AD_Slade> heheh
[21:39:57] <AD_Slade> Sounds exciting ;)
[21:40:03] <wjp> anyway, I just thought it interesting that IIS returns a different type than Apache :-)
[21:40:27] <wjp> (but that's probably just me ;-) )
[21:40:31] <AD_Slade> heheh
[21:41:19] <AD_Slade> Is the main focus on the exult team... bug fixes and SI?
[21:41:58] <Fingolfin> well
[21:42:05] <Fingolfin> the main focus is/was to write the exult engine ;)
[21:42:15] <Fingolfin> so we can run U7 (BG, FoV, SI, SS)
[21:42:25] <Fingolfin> and maybe write new games one day
[21:43:03] <AD_Slade> hehehhehe
[21:43:23] <AD_Slade> Well... yes
[21:43:32] * AD_Slade shakes his fist at SI
[21:43:38] <AD_Slade> dumb serpent isle.
[21:43:54] <Fingolfin> you like shaking your fist, don't ya? ;)
[21:43:57] <AD_Slade> Maybe will use Exult to make a better U8, U9
[21:43:59] <AD_Slade> hehhehehe
[21:44:13] <AD_Slade> Big fan of fist shakin
[21:44:16] <AD_Slade> heh
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[21:53:52] <wjp> AD_Slade: you need to get that spell checker installed on your pc ;-)
[21:56:15] <AD_Slade> hahah
[21:56:17] <AD_Slade> yeah :(
[21:56:21] <AD_Slade> It's weird..
[21:56:26] <AD_Slade> it wont install the english language.
[21:56:36] <AD_Slade> Across every hard drive I've had.
[21:56:38] <AD_Slade> It's wierd.
[21:56:52] <AD_Slade> I have to paste it into yahoo mail, spell check then paste it back.
[21:57:04] <wjp> heh :-)
[21:57:19] <AD_Slade> the DLL wont install.
[21:57:39] <AD_Slade> One time I went into the CD and copy and pasted the english language over...
[21:57:49] <AD_Slade> ...and the grammar thing worked.
[21:58:31] <wjp> weird
[21:58:37] <AD_Slade> agreed.
[21:59:05] <wjp> I could of course make some comment about microsoft & windows now, but I won't ;-)
[21:59:31] <AD_Slade> hahahah
[21:59:36] <AD_Slade> Well.. everyone could.
[21:59:37] <AD_Slade> heh
[22:00:26] <AD_Slade> How come the Exult hackmover is different than the debug mode hack mover?
[22:00:46] <wjp> it is?
[22:00:49] <AD_Slade> yeah.
[22:00:59] <AD_Slade> ...in alot of cases.
[22:01:14] <AD_Slade> If your to grab yourself and drag you ontop of a roof... you'll "fall" into the building.
[22:01:46] <wjp> yes, the height-placement is a bit weird at the moment
[22:01:48] <AD_Slade> ...also, you can't pick normal 'non pickupables' like chimeys, and just move them somewhere.
[22:02:08] <AD_Slade> Like at the blacksmith in trinsic...
[22:02:17] <AD_Slade> ...I tried to move the chimney, and it wouldn't let me.
[22:02:30] <AD_Slade> ...so I accidently dragged and dropepd it onto my person.
[22:02:36] <AD_Slade> effecitvly placing it in my backpack.
[22:02:44] <wjp> :-)
[22:02:46] <AD_Slade> and couldn't get it out.
[22:03:04] <wjp> ah, I see, you can't put it down anywhere
[22:04:01] <wjp> hmm.. that's a probably a problem with height too
[22:04:12] * AD_Slade shakes his fist at height
[22:04:17] <wjp> lol
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[22:05:26] <AD_Slade> I suppose thats a big thing on the list of bug fixes?
[22:05:30] <wjp> hackmover in exult disables all checks about if things are too heavy, or you can't reach the spot
[22:05:50] <wjp> so when you get a 'blocked' message, it means it really can't find a place to drop the object
[22:05:56] <wjp> which is a bug
[22:06:06] <wjp> yes, it's on the bug list
[22:06:34] <AD_Slade> whooo!
[22:06:34] <AD_Slade> heh
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[22:08:49] <AD_Slade> I wonder why the "gender" switch was implemented for? :P
[22:09:20] <wjp> makes debugging easier
[22:09:23] <Fingolfin> AD_Slade:....
[22:09:29] <Fingolfin> wjp: I updated http://fingolfin.dyndns.org/
[22:09:35] <Fingolfin> wjp: now only the config section is missing
[22:09:52] <Fingolfin> wjp: I am sorry it takes so long, but I usually only do 3 or 4 questions, then switch to something else ;)
[22:10:06] <wjp> heh, no need to apologize :-)
[22:10:13] <Fingolfin> wjp: config section is *very* messy, hence I delayed it so far ;)
[22:10:40] * AD_Slade blinks
[22:11:19] <wjp> typo in 4.6: 'absolut path'
[22:11:44] <Fingolfin> consider it fixed ;)
[22:11:56] <wjp> k :-)
[22:13:00] <wjp> hmm... maybe change "As SI is not yet..." to "Even though SI is not yet..." in 2.4?
[22:17:19] <AD_Slade> page dosnt work for me ;(
[22:17:24] <Fingolfin> yes, I should
[22:17:33] <Fingolfin> AD_Slade: maybe your DNS has not yet been updated
[22:17:51] <AD_Slade> I suppose?
[22:17:52] <AD_Slade> heh
[22:18:10] <Fingolfin> wjp: reload, I fixed a few other typos
[22:18:42] <wjp> hmm.. could the "Some Exult developers like to hang out" line be accidently inserted between two lines that should be placed together? (6.1)
[22:18:43] <Fingolfin> AD_Slade: try instead
[22:19:37] <Fingolfin> yeah (but it is not my fault! the original does it the same <g>)
[22:19:51] <wjp> Fingolfin: yeah, I know :-)
[22:20:07] <wjp> I just forgot to mention it when I first saw it :-)
[22:20:24] <Fingolfin> fixed
[22:20:33] <AD_Slade> thnx!
[22:21:18] <wjp> AD_Slade: that address isn't permanent, though. (the part, anyway)
[22:21:19] <Fingolfin> wjp: hrm... I wonder if there is a way to insert the current date (or a file mod date) using XSL / using Xalan
[22:21:23] <Fingolfin> yep ;)
[22:22:03] <wjp> Fingolfin: sorry, not a clue. It sounds like a likely feature, though
[22:22:04] <AD_Slade> Thanks go to Matt0who really got me thinking about doing this FAQ <--might want to space that next time :)
[22:22:25] <Fingolfin> ?
[22:22:39] <wjp> s/Matt0who/Matt0 who/
[22:23:09] <matt0> WJP!!!!!!
[22:23:26] <wjp> I think we summoned Matt by highlighting his name :-)
[22:23:28] <Fingolfin> where? this never was wrong! I never fixed it a few seconds ago! ;)
[22:23:30] <matt0> yes =]
[22:23:30] <Fingolfin> LOL
[22:23:31] <wjp> hi Matt!
[22:23:34] <matt0> it was blue =]
[22:23:36] <Fingolfin> matt0: long time no see ;)
[22:23:39] <matt0> I knew someone was talking about me hehe
[22:23:41] <matt0> fingolfin!!!!!
[22:24:13] <wjp> you seem to be in a good mood :-)
[22:24:19] <matt0> hehe
[22:24:21] <AD_Slade> Slade!!!!!
[22:24:22] <AD_Slade> hehehe
[22:24:27] <matt0> yeah... we are going to dump a bunch of laserdiscs to mpeg2 today
[22:24:35] <matt0> SLADE!!!!
[22:24:41] <wjp> ah, nice
[22:24:53] <matt0> AD_Slade: I don't remember suggesting that you do any kind of FAQ ... are you sure you've got the right matt o? hehe
[22:25:12] <matt0> in case you guys don't know... I am a big laserdisc arcade collector =]
[22:25:19] <matt0> (and an emulator programmer too hehe)
[22:25:44] <wjp> 'daphne', right?
[22:25:47] <matt0> yep
[22:25:48] <Fingolfin> matt0: yes we know ;)
[22:25:52] <AD_Slade> hehehhe
[22:25:54] <Fingolfin> matt0: but AD_Slade != Dominik
[22:26:00] <matt0> Fingolfin: I need to remind you from time to time =]
[22:26:07] <matt0> http://www.xmission.com/~redflame/daphne/mystuff/index.html
[22:26:10] <Fingolfin> matt0: who are you again? ;)
[22:26:22] <matt0> Fingolfin: lol
[22:29:13] <matt0> did I tell dominik to start making a faq? =]
[22:29:24] <matt0> that must've been an instinctive reaction to something lol
[22:29:49] <matt0> Anyone: "Hey someone should do this." Matt O: "Good idea, why don't you get working on that and let us know when you're done!" LOL! hehe
[22:30:15] <Fingolfin> maybe ;)
[22:39:02] <Fingolfin> wjp: BTW; I am reading "Wizards first Rule" right now
[22:39:21] <matt0> Fingolfin: heck yeah!!!
[22:39:24] <Fingolfin> wjp: I am at the part after Richard and Kahlan met the witch women, and she wants to kill herself
[22:39:25] <matt0> that book rules!
[22:39:31] <Fingolfin> matt0: it does ;)
[22:39:42] <matt0> Fingolfin: is this the first time you've read it?
[22:39:54] <Fingolfin> it is the first time i am reading it
[22:40:27] <matt0> Fingolfin: great
[22:40:36] <matt0> that book had a deep emotional impact on me
[22:40:53] <wjp> Fingolfin: glad you like it :-)
[22:40:59] <matt0> in this one part.. I had to put the book down and come to IRC to see if wjp was online so I could chat with him about the book
[22:41:08] <wjp> :-)
[22:41:12] <Fingolfin> LOL
[22:41:14] <matt0> I won't say any more... since you haven't reached that part yet =]
[22:41:36] <Fingolfin> what part?!? ah you mean some "secret" part after where I am? ;)
[22:41:46] <matt0> I'll tell you after you're passed it
[22:41:57] <wjp> and don't peek in exultbot's logs!
[22:42:07] <wjp> :-)
[22:43:04] <wjp> I ordered parts 3 and 4 a week ago
[22:44:27] * AD_Slade blinks amidst a lost coversation.
[22:45:08] <wjp> AD_Slade: Wizard's First Rule, part 1 of the 'Sword of Truth' series, written by Terry Goodkind
[22:45:11] <wjp> (Fantasy)
[22:46:12] <Fingolfin> well, I gotta order part 2 soon then ;)
[22:46:18] <AD_Slade> oh...
[22:46:21] <AD_Slade> well then.
[22:46:28] <Fingolfin> hey, I really hope Rachel makes it past the three guards with the box of orden!
[22:46:33] * Fingolfin reads on
[22:46:38] <AD_Slade> I have heard neither of the series or author
[22:47:55] <AD_Slade> good?
[22:48:11] <wjp> yup :-)
[22:48:25] <wjp> do you like fantasy books?
[22:48:32] <matt0> Fingolfin: yeah I was hoping that too
[22:48:41] <AD_Slade> Well... I like, Tolkien.
[22:48:46] <Fingolfin> matt0: err...
[22:48:58] <Fingolfin> matt0: if you say that like that, it means she doesn't make it? :(
[22:49:31] <matt0> Fingolfin: I was actually trying to be neutral
[22:49:40] <Fingolfin> ok
[22:49:51] <matt0> take that as a neutral comment =]
[22:49:55] <wjp> there should be a 'poker-face' smiley :-)
[22:50:25] <AD_Slade> hah
[22:52:07] <Fingolfin> :-|
[22:52:59] <AD_Slade> A poker face has to involve shifty eyes.
[22:53:43] * AD_Slade shifts his eyes and shakes his fist
[22:53:52] <Fingolfin> LOL
[22:53:56] <Fingolfin> *yes*
[22:54:00] <Fingolfin> she made it.
[22:54:02] <Fingolfin> at least for now
[22:54:59] * matt0 wipes the accumulating sweat off his forehead
[22:55:15] <matt0> this is too much suspense for me to take...
[22:55:29] <Fingolfin> <g>
[22:56:29] <AD_Slade> ....
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[23:27:18] <Slade_U7> How do I take a screen shot?
[23:27:26] <wjp> ctrl-alt-s
[23:27:33] <Slade_U7> thnx
[23:27:35] <wjp> if you mean in Exult :-)
[23:27:51] <Slade_U7> No dice
[23:27:57] <Slade_U7> I'm in the create an object thing.
[23:28:02] <Slade_U7> and found an odd object
[23:28:14] <wjp> hmmm... I don't think it's in there yet
[23:28:24] <Slade_U7> It's like a character sheet... you know... when you double click yourslef...
[23:28:34] <Slade_U7> ...and it brings up the window of a picture of your character
[23:28:41] <Slade_U7> wel.. it's a picture of a monkey
[23:28:47] <wjp> Trellik :-)
[23:29:32] <wjp> (an emp)
[23:29:44] <wjp> probably the result of a plot change during development
[23:32:06] <Slade_U7> yeah
[23:32:16] <Slade_U7> have you seen it?
[23:32:22] <wjp> yeah
[23:32:24] <Slade_U7> it had like... 4 places you could put items.
[23:33:28] * Slade_U7 shakes his fist in frustration/anticipation
[23:33:38] <wjp> :-)
[23:33:42] <Slade_U7> If you ever need a tester for the editor... be sure to let me know ;)
[23:34:24] <wjp> the editor will be open-sourced too, so you'll be able to test it whenever you want :-)
[23:34:44] <Slade_U7> woo!
[23:36:34] * wjp adds screenshot capabilities to the shape browser
[23:37:22] <Fingolfin> I am outa here, folks
[23:37:30] <Fingolfin> cya today or tomorrow ;)
[23:37:31] <wjp> ok, goodnight
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[23:37:35] <wjp> :-)
[23:38:01] <wjp> ok, done
[23:40:45] <wjp> added them to the sound editor too...
[23:44:37] <Slade_U7> sound editor?
[23:44:50] <Slade_U7> you actually do the programing stuff?
[23:44:53] <wjp> ugh... sound tester
[23:45:11] <wjp> yeah, I'm one of the programmers
[23:45:16] <Slade_U7> neat!
[23:45:16] <Slade_U7> heh
[23:45:19] <wjp> :-)
[23:45:24] <Slade_U7> Is that Polymorph thing... possible?
[23:45:42] <Slade_U7> Would it be possible to create one massive "library" of all the images, and sounds of BG and SI?
[23:45:45] <wjp> I guess... but I haven't really done anything with SI
[23:46:14] <wjp> hmm... how do you mean?
[23:46:18] <Slade_U7> well..
[23:46:32] <Slade_U7> there are objects, and images and sounds in SI that arn't in BG
[23:46:42] <Slade_U7> could you... "merge" the two?
[23:46:50] <Slade_U7> creating one, that has all of both?
[23:46:56] <wjp> well, the paperdolling in BG already uses SI images
[23:47:18] <Slade_U7> yeah... but I mean with everything.. weapons, characters, sounds..
[23:47:40] <Slade_U7> and.. with the editor, will you have to pick which game you want use? BG or SI? or will it be a combination of the two?
[23:48:20] <wjp> you will definitely be able to choose, but most of the details haven't been decided yet
[23:48:34] <Slade_U7> Well.. could they be combined?
[23:49:18] <wjp> one of the issues with it, is that we can't distribute the graphics... (copyright...)
[23:49:32] <Slade_U7> ack!
[23:49:58] <Slade_U7> so whats going to happen?
[23:50:02] <Slade_U7> "create your own?"
[23:50:02] <wjp> dunno :-)
[23:50:36] <wjp> well, it should be possible to write a small program that merges the graphics files from BG and SI
[23:50:52] <Slade_U7> but you understand what I'm talking about?
[23:50:58] <wjp> roughly
[23:51:09] <Slade_U7> because there is alot of architecture, among other things in SI, that could go with BG
[23:51:15] <wjp> you want to be able to use both BG-specific and SI-specific things in one game?
[23:51:20] <Slade_U7> yes!
[23:52:01] <Slade_U7> thats it.
[23:52:23] <Slade_U7> Creating one big U7 graphics library, instead of having to pick one or the other.
[23:52:44] <wjp> this is one of the details that will have to be figured out
[23:52:50] <Slade_U7> ahhh
[23:53:11] <wjp> (the editor is still in a _very_ early stage)
[23:53:21] <Slade_U7> Cause, as I'm sure you know, theres alot of cool stuff in SI, that I wish there was in BG. and vice versa.
[23:53:43] <wjp> yeah
[23:54:30] <Slade_U7> Like naked avatars
[23:54:31] <Slade_U7> heh
[23:54:38] <wjp> :-)
[23:54:46] * Slade_U7 was rather suprised to see that whole sex deal in SI.
[23:55:17] <Slade_U7> In U7, it was just... "The wench leads you into the confrence room, but you find out it wasn't a confrence room at all!"
[23:55:39] <wjp> :-)
[23:56:35] <wjp> lol: one of the SI shapes is called 'ice ice baby'
[23:56:42] <Slade_U7> hahahah
[23:56:56] <wjp> or 'da floor'
[23:57:03] <Slade_U7> heheh
[23:57:16] <Slade_U7> So, you wont be able to "distribute" the graphics for U7?
[23:57:21] <Slade_U7> in the editor?
[23:57:25] <wjp> no
[23:57:48] <Slade_U7> meaning?
[23:57:57] <wjp> graphics are copyright EA
[23:58:24] <Slade_U7> so then you wont be able to use existing NPCs and terrain?
[23:58:33] <Slade_U7> or just wont be able to edit it?
[23:58:56] <wjp> I'm not sure about all the legal issues
[23:59:29] <wjp> it's probably possible to create a new game using the U7 graphics, but then you can't distribute the graphics with the game, and the users will have to own U7
[23:59:33] <Slade_U7> I would think, it would be one of those deals like... "If you make money off of it, they can sue you."
[23:59:37] <wjp> (disclaimer: IANAL...)
[23:59:59] <Slade_U7> ahh heh