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[00:24:11] <servus> Avatar got sleepy... http://24.205.120.21:81/images/screenshots/Exult3D-28.jpg ... this would look a lot better with lighting
[01:05:42] <servus> http://24.205.120.21:81/images/screenshots/Exult3D-29.jpg Ain't nothin' like the smell of orange tiger in the morning. Early morning.
[01:10:43] <servus> New Exult3D feature -- deformable base terrain.
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[04:29:26] <servus> U7Wizard keeps crashing upon startup
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[06:12:47] <sbx> servus: I almost forgot to mention how great the idea of 3D terrain is, if possible.
[06:15:50] <sbx> Not great for whoever is making the chunks though (you) since each one has to be done individually.
[06:16:26] <sbx> The tiles are just colors.
[06:16:44] <sbx> Well actually not really...
[06:17:24] <sbx> But no generic method of determining the purpose of a tile in a particular location.
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[06:18:17] <sbx> hi Colourless
[06:19:57] <Colourless> hi
[06:20:43] <sbx> servus: On second thought (looking at screenshots again) you can probably generate them all automatically so nevermind what I just said.
[06:28:01] <servus> Just because you remake one chunk doesn't mean you remake them all
[06:28:16] <servus> I'm in plant-making mode right now. Haven't gotten any feedback on the lighing-enabled screenshot yet :-p
[06:28:30] <servus> Or the Iolo-and-Avatar-on-Opium screenshot :-)
[06:28:52] <sbx> Yeah I did assume you could do a special-case remake for certain chunks.
[06:29:06] <sbx> Even if you have a basic terrain generator for everything else.
[06:29:23] <sbx> How did you fix lightning?
[06:29:26] <sbx> lighting
[06:29:28] <servus> I don't know what you're talking about with the basic terrain thing
[06:29:33] <servus> I had a stupid bug, and I removed it.
[06:29:43] <sbx> I love stupid bugs.
[06:29:46] <servus> Still problems in that screenshot, but modelling problems.
[06:29:49] <sbx> or removing them...
[06:30:02] <sbx> I thought Pagan was Ultima on shrooms? :)
[06:30:06] <servus> For instance, some of the horizontal slats in the fences have the cap and the sides as the same smooth group
[06:30:15] <servus> No, that's this: http://24.205.120.21:81/images/screenshots/Exult3D-27.jpg
[06:30:23] <servus> Me doing a normal analysis.
[06:30:32] <sbx> ...
[06:30:35] <Colourless> nice normals
[06:30:44] <servus> Thanks ;-)
[06:30:45] <sbx> :)
[06:31:08] <sbx> 28 makes me think of SI and the swamp
[06:31:14] <Colourless> doesn't look they are being too cooperative
[06:31:20] <sbx> but instead its flowers as far as the eye can see
[06:31:42] <servus> Colourless, I was just abusing some smooth groups
[06:31:51] <servus> sbx, Serpent Isle does not yet work with 3D models, because I have to remap the model names...
[06:33:27] <sbx> you're working on this very much recently
[06:33:42] <servus> Not to be a jerk to Denis Loubet, but I like the Exult3D avatar more than the Pagan avatar :.
[06:33:43] <sbx> I wonder what the trees in that scene will look like.
[06:33:48] <servus> Good so far
[06:33:48] <sbx> hehe
[06:33:51] <servus> Well I'm doing the crops
[06:33:56] <sbx> ok
[06:34:07] <servus> Done 3 so far, and as close to the original shapes as I can
[06:34:49] <sbx> then they should be good... I want everything to be close to the original shapes
[06:39:19] <sbx> What I meant about terrain. You could make a generator that replaces the tiles with some 3D approximation. Flower tiles replaced by actual flower models. Sidewalk border tiles just raised slightly for a cobbled(?) effect, but using original graphics. And a water tile replaced with a waving 3D block of water.
[06:39:42] <sbx> But just redoing certain chunks by hand would probably have better results.
[06:39:50] <sbx> (compare Exult3D R1 to Exult3D R2)
[06:40:05] <servus> The only feasible replacement is where water and banks are concerned. Everything else risks ugly items-falling-into-the-ground effects.
[06:40:38] <servus> You'll notice I'm updating the phorum screenshot of Killwrathy every now and again. It should have crops in it soon
[06:40:43] <sbx> You'd have to have most tiles in a chunk in 3D for it to work.
[06:40:48] <sbx> ok
[06:41:29] <sbx> That disrupts the flow of conversation as much as "Edit post".
[06:41:45] <sbx> so its sneaky :)
[06:42:59] <sbx> Plus I have to reload the page to see it change. Hopefully you will add a new post when the scene is complete.
[06:44:17] <servus> I mention all new screenshots in here...
[06:44:38] <servus> We're not getting phorum posts nearly as quickly this time :-p
[06:54:21] <servus> How come Exult is still using Phorum version 0.00000000000000001?
[06:54:57] <servus> I want to edit my posts.
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[07:20:29] <servus> I'm level 4 there.
[07:20:33] <servus> Kinda boring.
[07:20:52] <servus> There are a LOT of crops. Know that?
[07:21:00] <servus> Completed 9 unique crops so far.
[07:21:49] <servus> I've made 191 models so far.
[07:22:07] <servus> More like 210 considering objects I've modelled and textured but not exported yet.
[07:27:24] <sbx> can I see?
[07:27:54] <servus> See what?
[07:27:59] <servus> The crops?
[07:30:02] <servus> http://24.205.120.21:81/images/screenshots/Crops.jpg
[07:38:16] <sbx> Doesn'
[07:38:24] <sbx> Doesn't really look delicious.*
[07:38:37] <sbx> but nice modelling
[07:41:42] <servus> I'm not sure what you mean by that ;-)
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[08:23:42] <sbx> hi Fl00der
[08:23:49] <Fl00der> hello
[08:24:25] <servus> Shutters work.
[08:24:40] <Fl00der> and those are?
[08:24:44] <servus> Hardest part is aligning the tricky models, not modelling them :)
[08:24:55] <Fl00der> :)
[08:25:35] <sbx> the wooden things covering the windows
[08:31:21] <Fl00der> ah, right
[08:32:30] <servus> I got sick of modelling crops. There are five billion of them :-)
[08:32:44] <servus> Back to it now, then the basic trees. I want to finish this scene
[08:34:27] <sbx> Do you model the crops manually or with Druid?
[08:34:47] <sbx> I imagine the trees will be high-poly if Druid is making them.
[08:35:41] <servus> Manually.
[08:36:18] <servus> There are several things I need to make sure of. Primarily, that the "blob" of earth on the bottom securely covers the "data-tile" that is otherwise flashing blue because no graphics tile was assigned there
[08:36:40] <sbx> I see...
[08:36:48] <sbx> Yeah that's a problem with current trees
[08:36:49] <servus> Same blue as under mountains :-)
[08:36:53] <sbx> and mountains
[08:37:03] <servus> Well there will be a big blob of earth on the tree bottoms so it won't be a problem
[08:37:25] <servus> Don't worry, the blob of earth looks perfect with the current crops, in-game. I colour matched the soil.
[08:37:34] <sbx> figured it would
[08:37:43] <servus> Actually trees just need a wide(r) trunk at the bottom
[08:37:46] <servus> They'll look fine
[08:38:02] <servus> No one has said anything about the lighting though :P. Suggestions?
[08:38:31] <sbx> Colourless?
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[09:17:35] <servus> My computer crashed while I was saving a file >.<
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[09:23:37] <servus> All my crops! And my shutters!
[09:23:46] <servus> Now I've got to write a file importer =-/
[09:24:24] <sbx> importer for what?
[09:35:38] <servus> For the shapes I made today, since I only have compiled versions of them now
[10:34:07] <servus> Done. Everything's back to normal.
[10:44:28] <sbx> I am glad.
[10:45:00] <servus> Well I lost a few plants since my last save OR export, but just a few.
[10:45:05] <servus> Got the shutters.
[10:50:02] <sbx> What do you mean by compiled versions of them?
[10:53:53] <servus> All I had left was the files I use in Exult
[10:54:01] <servus> So I made a way for 3D Max to open exult files
[10:58:56] <servus> My computer did it again =-/
[10:59:03] <servus> Froze up and just restarted.
[10:59:34] <sbx> but this time you were prepared
[10:59:56] <servus> It probably corrupted the file I'm working on again.
[10:59:58] <servus> What the heck?
[11:00:07] <sbx> backups?
[11:00:10] <servus> The only analogue is that I was running u7wizard both times, though once was in a Dosbox
[11:00:21] <servus> Yeah but I still haven't made a new one since yesterday.
[11:00:26] <sbx> yeah how can in a dosbox affect anything
[11:00:28] <sbx> its isolated
[11:00:33] <servus> Dynamic cor
[11:00:40] <sbx> oh :)
[11:00:49] <servus> I was just running it straight from a console this time, though
[11:02:11] <servus> and it corrupted the file I was working on, again. I wasn't in the process of saving the file at the time, either time!
[11:02:13] <servus> Argh
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[13:33:47] <Fl00der> where I have to put 3Dmodels? :)
[13:33:57] <Fl00der> exult folder?
[13:33:59] <sbx> you have to change renderer to opengl don't you?
[13:34:06] <sbx> scaler
[13:34:06] <Fl00der> ah
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[13:34:48] <Fl00der> comes black screen when I start exult and I go to setup
[13:34:52] <Fl00der> so cant change to opengl
[13:34:59] <Fl00der> maybe in game...
[13:35:24] <servus> ./3dmodels/ from exult.exe
[13:35:31] <servus> You have to choose opengl from the options menu
[13:35:37] <servus> You'll probably have to restart Exult after doing that
[13:36:30] <Fl00der> my exult crashed when I choosed OpenGL in game
[13:36:43] <servus> I expected as much. Restart Exult
[13:36:53] <Fl00der> but if I go to setup when splash screen comes where I choose black gate or serpent isle, screen is black :S
[13:36:56] <Fl00der> wellI restart now
[13:37:05] <Fl00der> can't restart :/
[13:37:07] <servus> It's just dark :-p
[13:37:12] <servus> What do you mean?
[13:37:17] <Fl00der> yes and now I can't run exult.exe
[13:37:26] <servus> I need to make a 3D-able menu...
[13:37:29] <servus> Why not?
[13:37:46] <Fl00der> maybe because there is Opengl now but it doesnt work properly
[13:37:58] <Fl00der> so it cant show anything
[13:38:12] <Fl00der> what file erases setup configs?
[13:38:30] <servus> Colourless, I messed up a post in Phorum version 0.00001, can you fix it?
[13:38:43] <Fl00der> ah
[13:38:43] <Fl00der> An exception occured:
[13:38:43] <Fl00der> Error opening file static\palettes.flx
[13:38:43] <Fl00der> errno: 2
[13:38:43] <Fl00der> ============================
[13:38:53] <Fl00der> I didn't put palettes to there :P
[13:39:03] <Fl00der> I extraceted them to where exult.exe is
[13:39:04] <servus> Yeah, put the file I supplied in ./static/palettes.flx from wherever exult.exe is
[13:39:05] <Fl00der> extracted
[13:39:20] <servus> See why I'm not making releases yet?:)
[13:39:22] <Colourless> i could fix it
[13:39:34] <Fl00der> servus: yep :D
[13:39:51] <servus> Thanks Colourless
[13:40:20] <Colourless> what is the problem
[13:40:38] <servus> My [img] tag broke for some reason.
[13:40:50] <servus> It's on the very bottom.
[13:41:10] <Colourless> closing tag... tsk tsk
[13:41:15] <Colourless> had [img]
[13:41:36] <Colourless> done
[13:41:40] <servus> Why can't we upgrade Phorum? This is 2 major releases behind. Thanks
[13:42:34] <wjp> any particular reason to upgrade it?
[13:42:36] <Fl00der> I can't get it to work but it's ok, I will wait for proper release :)
[13:42:48] <servus> As far as I know, newer versions let people edit their posts. I can doublecheck.
[13:42:57] <wjp> that's a reason not to upgrade
[13:42:57] <servus> Fl00der, what's your error?
[13:43:09] <servus> OK, but I'll keep bugging you guys then :-)
[13:43:25] <Fl00der> no error just crash :/
[13:43:30] <Fl00der> when I changed to OPENGL in game
[13:43:52] <servus> Edit your Exult.cfg. Change the inside of <scale_method> to OpenGL
[13:44:19] <Fl00der> hmm...
[13:44:26] <Fl00der> ok, I try that thx
[13:44:46] <Fl00der> servus
[13:45:09] <Fl00der> so I must overwrite old palette what is in original black gate/static folder?
[13:45:13] <Fl00der> with new one
[13:45:27] <Fl00der> I have black gate and exult in different folder :P
[13:45:28] <Fl00der> s
[13:45:32] <servus> No!
[13:45:44] <Fl00der> ah :D
[13:45:49] <Fl00der> that's why it doesn't work
[13:45:55] <servus> Not the black gate folder. Go to the folder where Exult.exe is. From there, make a directory called Static. In that directory, put the palettes.flx
[13:46:08] <Fl00der> ah right :D
[13:46:12] <Fl00der> stupid me :D
[13:46:15] <servus> And blame DrCode for it:P
[13:46:23] <Colourless> hehe... yes :-)
[13:46:35] <Fl00der> :D
[13:46:37] <Fl00der> hehe
[13:46:54] <servus> No suggestions, Colourless or WJP, as original coders?
[13:47:04] <servus> I mean, graphics-wise
[13:47:26] <servus> Hmm. I can at least make trees very large now... that's good.
[13:47:49] <Fl00der> Trailing slash in path: "data\"
[13:47:49] <Fl00der> ...compensating, but go complain to Colourless anyway
[13:47:49] <Fl00der> Exult msg. # 1280 conflicts with 'text.flx'
[13:47:53] <Colourless> no suggestion, looks great
[13:47:53] <Fl00der> :D :D :D
[13:48:10] <Fl00der> colourless... I must complain to you :D
[13:48:11] <servus> I didn't put Colourless's name there.
[13:48:39] <servus> I think I can pull off a better-looking-than-Ultima-9 end result here. I've got a lot of ideas that I think will really "wow".
[13:48:49] <Colourless> i bet you put the trailing slash on the path name !
[13:49:00] <Fl00der> IT WORKS
[13:49:03] <Fl00der> IT's ALIVE
[13:49:06] <Fl00der> wheeee
[13:49:11] <Fl00der> thanks servus
[13:49:34] <Colourless> need to extend out the drawing distance
[13:49:59] <Colourless> and would use cheesy ogl fog in the distance
[13:50:53] <Fl00der> servus one more thing
[13:50:57] <Fl00der> how I change view
[13:51:03] <Fl00der> shift + ?
[13:51:06] <Fl00der> ctrl + ?
[13:51:12] <Fl00der> or can I ? :P
[13:51:38] <servus> Colourless, Yeah.
[13:51:43] <servus> Hmm
[13:51:46] <servus> Are you in 3D?
[13:51:49] <Fl00der> yes
[13:51:53] <Fl00der> it works now :)
[13:52:08] <servus> Lemme see. The interface is terrible..
[13:52:12] <Fl00der> haha
[13:52:26] <servus> Put the mouse in the middle of the screen
[13:52:30] <Fl00der> ok...
[13:52:35] <servus> Hold shift and move the mouse around slowly to pan or zoom
[13:52:44] <Fl00der> ok thanks
[13:52:46] <servus> Recenter the mouse, hold control and do the same to rotate the camera
[13:52:51] <servus> That's it.
[13:54:03] <Fl00der> yes it's terrible but works :D
[13:54:49] <servus> Do the 3D models work for you?
[13:55:01] <Fl00der> ummm
[13:55:21] <Fl00der> what do you mean excatly? bucket for example?
[13:55:50] <servus> If you can see the avatar in 3D, it's fine.
[13:56:50] <Fl00der> yes I can see avatar in 3D but can't move objects etc.
[13:57:02] <servus> What do you mean?
[13:57:19] <servus> Pointing and clicking isn't working too hot on the Windows version. I haven't ported the updated Linux code yet.
[13:57:44] <Fl00der> when I take out bottle for example, put it on ground, I can't pick it up
[13:57:56] <Fl00der> all objects feels same thing
[13:58:02] <Fl00der> I can't move them etc.
[13:59:19] <servus> Try moving the mouse around a bit and clicking til you find it. The clicking and dragging is working perfectly on Linux
[13:59:24] <Fl00der> yes, Objects doesnt' work at all :/
[13:59:54] <servus> They do, they're just tricky to select in this build.
[14:01:50] <Fl00der> ah, right
[14:02:47] <servus> How depressing, the only conversations on the forum are personal chats.
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[20:22:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
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