#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 11 Aug 2001 (GMT)

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[03:45:39] <Marcus_> hello?
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[08:10:50] <hebble> hi. anybody there?
[08:32:02] <Kirben> I'm here
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[08:33:26] <hebble> sorry, had to exit because exult forgot to fix my resolution when it crashed.
[08:33:29] <hebble> ;(
[08:36:24] <hebble> does this look familiar?: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=450017&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[08:38:01] <Kirben> I don't play SI under Exult much but will give that saved game a try.
[08:38:12] <hebble> thanks!
[08:42:21] <Kirben> no crash
[08:42:26] <Kirben> lady appears
[08:42:57] <hebble> hmm. maybe it's a Linux issue?
[08:43:02] <Kirben> her name isn't mentioned though, just dark female monk
[08:43:51] <Kirben> Might be, unless your version is out dated.
[08:44:15] <hebble> my executable? i did cvs up tonight.
[08:45:13] <Kirben> Yes the Exult executable, I guess it must be linux only then.
[08:46:09] <hebble> i'll update the bug description
[08:47:31] <hebble> there. that might annoy fewer people.
[08:49:54] <hebble> just to be sure this isn't something recent, are *you* using the latest cvs?
[08:51:42] <Kirben> I'm one cvs update behind.
[08:52:37] * hebble wishes he had a separate windows machine, rather than dual booting.
[08:52:58] <Kirben> Just compiling current cvs now.
[09:13:20] <Kirben> no problem with current cvs either.
[09:14:46] <hebble> any other ideas? i think for now i'll leave the bug description as is, and maybe do a 'make clean' and whatnot.
[09:15:43] <hebble> hmm, they snuck in some changes to cvs while i was playing...
[09:16:14] <Kirben> No, no other ideas at moment.
[09:22:35] <hebble> huh, works now. never mind...
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[10:18:19] <Fingolfin> ?seen dominus
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[10:21:09] <wjp> hi
[10:21:12] <Fingolfin> hi
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[10:45:24] <wjp> Kirben: why is there two of you?
[10:45:31] <Fingolfin> aye...
[10:45:50] <Kirben> my bot
[10:46:24] <wjp> what's it do?
[10:46:37] <Kirben> Just connecting here since efnet is often difficult to connect to
[10:46:44] <Kirben> Is just windows port of eggdrop
[10:56:13] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[10:56:29] <Fingolfin> trying to get the bg menu midi sound similiar to what I got in this MP3 file...
[10:56:50] <Fingolfin> but either my midi player is playing the first part at 10x speed (why??!) or the midi data is missing stuff...
[10:58:37] <wjp> sorry, don't know anything about midi :/
[10:58:47] <Fingolfin> it should start like Dumm-dum-dum-dum.... Dumm-dum-dum-duhm.... Dumm-dum-dum-duhhhm.... Dum-duhhhm-DING (now viloines or whever, scratching)
[10:58:59] <Fingolfin> get the MP3 from here http://www.funkyplace.freeserve.co.uk/mp3/Title_Theme.mp3
[10:58:59] <Fingolfin> ;)
[10:59:15] <Fingolfin> wjp, kirben: maybe you two could play the BG menu midi at your place and compare with this MP3...
[10:59:32] <Fingolfin> of course, it will sound different, but I wonder if the rhythm is about right etc.=
[10:59:33] <Fingolfin> ?
[10:59:58] <Fingolfin> for me, the first part sounds completly wrong, compared to that MP3, the second part is OK (not great but matches approx)
[11:01:06] <Fingolfin> for me it sounds as if all up to the DING is played at very very high speed... now, at this point is a tempo change, afterwards it sounds all fine and nice
[11:01:23] <Fingolfin> makes me wonder if there is a problem with my midi code, or maybe with xmidi.cc
[11:01:47] <wjp> tempo in first part here is the same as in that mp3
[11:02:37] <Fingolfin> ok, good to hear!
[11:02:57] <Fingolfin> the only reason I ask is that Dominus had a similiar problem once, on his box... but then I gotta look for the problem in my code now
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[11:18:10] <Fingolfin> wjp: hm, you tested it on linux, right???
[11:18:33] <Fingolfin> cause the Win and mac drivers both use a different MIDI-API...
[11:19:48] <wjp> yes, on linux
[11:21:08] <Fingolfin> what midi driver?
[11:21:39] <wjp> timidity
[11:30:33] * Fingolfin pokes Kirben
[11:31:08] <Kirben> ok let me compare...
[11:32:32] <Fingolfin> for me the timing is wrong, even if I let it play at half speed
[11:33:46] <Kirben> The mp3 doesn't seem deep enough and I agree the ding speed is wrong too.
[11:34:36] <Fingolfin> uhm
[11:34:47] <Fingolfin> what exactly do you mean with ding speed? ;)
[11:35:09] <Fingolfin> real rythm is like in the MP3 "Dumm-dum-dum-duhm.... Dumm-dum-dum-duhhhm.... Dum-duhhhm-DING"
[11:35:13] <Fingolfin> but for me it is like
[11:35:19] <Fingolfin> Dumm Dumm Dumm Ding
[11:35:37] <Kirben> I mean the end ding
[11:35:40] <Fingolfin> the Dumm-dum-dum-duhm happen so fast that they merge into a singl quick sound, which is definitly wrong
[11:35:51] <Fingolfin> ok, but otherwise it sounds all fine for you, yes?
[11:36:02] <Kirben> yes seems ok
[11:36:21] <Fingolfin> hm :/
[11:36:22] <Fingolfin> thx
[11:40:43] <Kirben> mp3 will only be for mac though ?
[11:41:06] <Fingolfin> ?
[11:41:07] <Fingolfin> nooo
[11:41:25] <Fingolfin> this MP3 is how the music was supposed to sound; it was created with a MT32
[11:41:30] <Fingolfin> and not by me!
[11:41:34] <Fingolfin> I do "real" midi playback
[11:41:45] <Fingolfin> but computer synthed MIDI sounds not as good as the Real Thing (tm)
[11:41:54] <Fingolfin> and General Midi not like an MT32 ;)
[11:42:32] <wjp> that .mp3 is how is was supposed to sound? hmm, I think the timidity output sounds a lot better
[11:42:39] <Fingolfin> http://www.funkyplace.freeserve.co.uk/ultimamidi.html
[11:42:54] <Fingolfin> hehe, well, never heard the timidity sound ;)
[11:43:59] <wjp> correction: some parts of the timidity output sound better
[11:44:43] <wjp> in fact, the part after the 'ding' sounds better in the mp3 :-)
[11:44:51] <Fingolfin> he ;)
[11:44:53] <Kirben> midi playback on win32 seems much better than mp3.
[11:45:00] <Fingolfin> if anybody wants to make a Timidity MP3 for me... ;)
[11:45:11] <wjp> didn't Tristan do that already?
[11:45:24] <Fingolfin> no, he did one of the exult menu for me
[11:45:34] <Fingolfin> and I wouldn't mind to hear the win32 version, either ;)
[11:46:07] <Fingolfin> I'd also be happy to let you know how strange BG menu sounds on MacOS ATM, but I am not so sure how to redirect this audio output to a file... hmm
[11:59:55] <Fingolfin> ARGH
[11:59:58] * Fingolfin looks at his code
[12:00:04] * Fingolfin looks at it again
[12:00:21] * Fingolfin takes a club and applies it to the spot where other human beings have a brain inside
[12:00:28] <Fingolfin> *sigh*
[12:00:47] <Fingolfin> to calculate the duration of a Note, I need to scan forwared to the matching NoteOFF
[12:00:52] <Fingolfin> matching mean: same pitch, fine
[12:01:00] <Fingolfin> but it *also* means: *same channel* !!!
[12:01:01] <Fingolfin> aargh
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[12:05:00] <Fingolfin> but this doesn't seem to make any difference, hrm
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[12:13:01] <Fingolfin> hi
[12:13:23] <Marcus_> hi
[12:17:16] <Marcus_> Fingolfin, about the matching note off command: You know that there are 2 ways to turn off a single note?
[12:17:28] <Fingolfin> I know, sure
[12:17:31] <Fingolfin> that is not my problem
[12:17:35] <Fingolfin> ;)
[12:17:57] <Fingolfin> I am working on this problem ATM, I think my real problem is that I misunderstood how QTMA's rest event works
[12:18:04] <Marcus_> are you also scanning for a matching velocity byte?
[12:18:11] <Marcus_> or is that not necessary?
[12:18:41] <Fingolfin> it is neither necessary nor possible to scan for matcing velocity
[12:18:52] <Fingolfin> since NOTE ON with vel = 0 is the same as a NOTE OFF
[12:19:34] <Marcus_> Oh, OK. So they don't use command 0x8c to turn off notes...
[12:20:31] <Marcus_> by the way, I've submitted a midi-related bug. The bug report also contains a small fix for the problem.
[12:20:43] <Fingolfin> what do you mean with command 0x8c ?!? a sysex command?
[12:21:09] <Marcus_> c = channel (low nibble)
[12:21:10] <Fingolfin> anyway, I just seem to have fixed my problem - QTMA doesn't accumulate rest events, so I have to do it manually
[12:21:15] <Fingolfin> ah ok
[12:21:19] <Fingolfin> that is regular NOTE OFF
[12:21:32] <Fingolfin> sometimes this is used, sometimes NOTE ON with velocity 0
[12:21:36] <Fingolfin> both are equivelent
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[12:34:49] <Fingolfin> Kirben: is there a special reason your bot is in this channel, and that it is opped?
[12:34:55] <Fingolfin> ;)
[12:35:10] <Kirben> I had bot on auto op
[12:35:43] <Fingolfin> hehe
[12:35:48] <Fingolfin> fixed my rest
[12:35:54] <Fingolfin> rest event problem I mean ;)
[12:35:59] <Kirben> Is just easier to test on openproject irc server and bot won't disturb the channel
[12:37:03] <Fingolfin> sure thing (also some ppl get really pissed of when other ppl bring bots to their channels for testing... beware ;) not me, though you better be careful in some other (big) channels ;)
[12:37:51] <Kirben> Only testing I do is to see if bot connects to an irc server...
[12:38:02] <Kirben> before releasing each version.
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[13:04:59] <Colourless> hi
[13:05:06] <wjp> hi
[13:05:23] <Fingolfin> lo
[13:42:16] * wjp is going to play some D2
[13:42:21] <wjp> see you later
[13:42:29] <Colourless> cya
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[15:40:31] <Fingolfin> the second part of BG menu midi sounds near-perfect; but the first part still doesn't
[15:40:33] <Fingolfin> weird
[15:41:02] <Fingolfin> esp. since the first part is the simple one (midi "trick" wise), the second part uses a lot of pans/volume changes on playing sounds, which seems to work fine
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[22:06:03] * wjp just finished packing
[22:11:27] <Fingolfin> hi willem
[22:11:34] <Fingolfin> going on vacation, eh? ;)
[22:14:46] <Fingolfin> hmm... when I am invisble, I think I shouldn't be able to normally talk to people, should I ? I seem to remember I couldn't in the original.. ?!?
[22:17:28] <wjp> hmm, can't remember
[22:17:47] <wjp> in Fallout talking to people while invisible was fun though ;-)
[22:19:00] <Fingolfin> he ;)
[22:20:44] <wjp> but, yeah, I'm going away for a week or so
[22:20:51] <wjp> I'll be back friday night
[22:21:05] <wjp> I expect to see alpha5 on the shelves when I get back ;-)
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[22:31:36] <wjp> I have to go
[22:31:38] <wjp> goodnight
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[22:32:30] <smartass> hi you guys
[22:32:52] <smartass> i found a bug
[22:32:58] <smartass> and i'd like to report it
[22:33:36] <smartass> the problem is that the game crashes if i try to get iolo have a drink
[22:33:40] <smartass> bloody mary
[22:33:48] <smartass> from that bucekt
[22:33:59] <smartass> bucket even
[22:34:11] <smartass> that's all
[22:34:31] <Fingolfin> hm
[22:35:00] <smartass> but
[22:35:11] <smartass> i have the newest snapshot
[22:36:05] <smartass> i'm not sure if that bug is in the valid version
[22:36:16] <smartass> bye then
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