#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 11 Jan 2001 (GMT)

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[00:13:05] <wjp> ?seen fingolfin
[00:13:05] <exultbot> fingolfin left IRC around Wed Jan 10 23:55:00 2001 (GMT) (42)
[00:14:07] <wjp> I'm going to bed
[00:14:08] <wjp> bye
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[02:00:55] <matt0> hehe
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[09:59:03] <Nadir> yawn
[10:00:39] <Nadir> ?seen wjp
[10:00:39] <exultbot> wjp left #exult around Thu Jan 11 00:14:09 2001 (GMT)
[10:00:46] <Nadir> ?seen fingolfin
[10:00:46] <exultbot> fingolfin left IRC around Wed Jan 10 23:55:00 2001 (GMT) (42)
[10:00:55] <Nadir> ?seen jsf
[10:00:55] <exultbot> I haven't seen jsf lately
[10:00:58] <Nadir> ?seen
[10:01:14] <Nadir> ?seen dancer
[10:01:14] <exultbot> I haven't seen dancer lately
[10:05:41] <Kirben> hmm just noticed Exult locks up SI if you fail copy protection questions several times
[10:11:29] <Kirben> Should there be a serpentisle path in win32 makefiles ?
[10:15:19] <Kirben> just asking as crash on exit bug seems to be back, although in window size only
[10:20:43] <Nadir> no such thing as a serpentisle path
[10:23:45] <Kirben> Just wondering as there is a Ultima 7 path, U7PATH=C:/Ultima7
[10:24:31] <Nadir> if bg does not crash in a similar way, then it's just SI which is exposing bugs in Exult's code. SI uses eggs + usecode in a much more complex way
[10:25:17] <Kirben> bg crashes too, just added it to bug database
[10:25:41] <Kirben> crashes=locks up
[10:27:23] <Nadir> did you read some of the comments on the mailing list about the avatar locking up. It is a known problem.
[10:30:59] <Nadir> ignore my last comment. it's only for SI.
[10:34:41] <Kirben> hmm more stuff broken in bg too
[10:35:51] <Nadir> like ?
[10:36:24] <Kirben> sleeping, restart in BG and guards after stealing
[10:38:12] <Kirben> adding now...
[10:45:30] <Kirben> ok 2 bugs added, other is more likely just not supported yet
[10:45:34] <Kirben> bbl
[11:19:03] <Kirben> back
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[13:20:27] <TonyHoyt> Hello people.
[13:35:23] <Nadir> hi
[13:36:31] <TonyHoyt> What's up, Nadir?
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[13:55:14] <wjp> hi
[13:58:39] <Nadir> hi wjp
[13:58:50] <wjp> hey Nadir
[14:00:03] <wjp> (I'm at work, btw, so I'm not really here :-) )
[14:07:11] <Nadir> magic of ssh/telnet ?
[14:07:31] <wjp> no, just that I'm away a lot
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[16:02:42] <TonyHoyt> bbl
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[17:40:42] <wjp> hi
[17:40:57] <Fingolfin> lo
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[17:41:34] <wjp|dinner> bbl :-)
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[18:04:01] <wjp|dinner> wb
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[18:04:14] <Fingolfin> thx
[18:04:16] <Fingolfin> wb, too ;)
[18:04:23] <wjp> thanks :-)
[18:07:06] <Fingolfin> hm
[18:07:16] <Fingolfin> I oughta repartion my disk
[18:07:47] <Fingolfin> luckily, I have two disks, one with 10 gig and one with 20 gigs, and the second one has still 12 gigs free ;)
[18:07:52] <Fingolfin> so I only need a bootable CD... hrm
[18:08:09] * wjp has plenty of bootable cd's :-)
[18:10:35] <Fingolfin> bah ;)
[18:10:49] <Fingolfin> I have two sys CDs... somewhere....
[18:10:50] <Fingolfin> err...
[18:10:54] <Fingolfin> but *where*?
[18:10:56] <Fingolfin> darn
[18:32:46] <Fingolfin> ?seen jameson
[18:32:46] <exultbot> I haven't seen jameson lately
[18:41:41] <Fingolfin> wjp: if you are there.... you have this utillity to count header dependencies...
[18:41:45] <Fingolfin> could you do a fresh count for me?
[18:41:52] <wjp> it's not really a utility...
[18:42:02] <wjp> it's just a huge convoluted shell command :-)
[18:42:08] <Fingolfin> I think about splitting files/utils.* since it contains some non-file related stuff, which is only used in a few files...
[18:42:13] <Fingolfin> heheh ;)
[18:42:49] <wjp> yes, I had that same idea... stringutils.h and fileutils.h, or something like that
[18:43:03] <wjp> I think utils.h was included quite often
[18:44:39] <Fingolfin> it is, partly because it is included in actors.h
[18:44:44] <Fingolfin> it is included there only for Log2!
[18:44:53] <wjp> argh
[18:45:09] <Fingolfin> I added some comments to #included, telling what reason there is to include that file (to prevent me from re-checking it over and over <g>)
[18:45:15] <wjp> :-)
[18:45:17] <Fingolfin> also, it contains some hash_set code
[18:45:49] <Fingolfin> and I thought about doing a hash_util.h or so... in fact, maybe our own hash class (that uses hash_set or normal set, depending on availability).. hm
[18:46:42] <wjp> utils.h is included 71 times it seems
[18:46:51] <Fingolfin> how often is actors.h included?
[18:46:55] <wjp> actors.h only 29?
[18:47:10] <wjp> I'm kind of wondering how correct these dependencies are
[18:47:16] <Fingolfin> and font.h?
[18:47:24] <Fingolfin> and game.h ?
[18:47:25] <wjp> 11
[18:47:36] <Fingolfin> both include utils.h .... hr
[18:48:09] <Fingolfin> and finally, about 20 .cc files include it
[18:48:21] <Fingolfin> I will go through all of them if possible, and check what is really needed
[18:49:10] <wjp> 33 .cc files, btw, including usecode compiler
[18:49:45] <Fingolfin> I only meant .cc files that contain #include utils.h *directly* (not via another ..h file)
[18:49:56] <wjp> yes, me too
[18:50:10] <wjp> game.h includes it too
[18:50:20] <Fingolfin> I mentioned that above ;)
[18:50:26] <wjp> you did? hmmm
[18:50:34] <wjp> oh, there :-)
[18:50:48] <Fingolfin> only for the hash stuff, BTW
[18:51:01] <wjp> game.c is included 31 times (all in .cc)
[18:51:09] <wjp> s/\.c/\.h/
[18:51:46] <Fingolfin> I wonder, how hash_map/set actually compares to the non-hash siblings, speed/memory wise...
[18:52:28] <wjp> good question
[18:53:42] <Fingolfin> ARGH
[18:54:06] <Fingolfin> this is bad: we use both DONT_HAVE_HASH_MAP (game.h) and HAVE_HASH_MAP (utils.h) ....
[18:54:14] <wjp> uh oh
[18:54:14] <Fingolfin> which one is actually defined via autoconf?
[18:54:37] <wjp> hmm... take a look at alpha_kludges.h
[18:55:00] <Fingolfin> ah I see...
[18:55:00] <Fingolfin> ok
[18:55:06] <Fingolfin> but anyway
[18:55:24] <Fingolfin> I will change the whole stuff, so that no file included hash_map etc. directly
[18:55:38] <Fingolfin> instead I will add a new file... maybe called hash_util.h ?
[18:56:05] <Fingolfin> or hash_stuff.h ;) or exult_hash.h
[18:56:23] <wjp> hash_kludges ? :-)
[18:56:42] <wjp> I vote for hash_utils.h
[18:57:24] <Fingolfin> ok
[18:57:26] <Fingolfin> me too ;)
[18:57:43] <exultbot> me too!
[18:58:34] <Fingolfin> I think I should change the file headers to "Copyright (C) 2000-2001 The Exult Team" ?
[18:58:44] <Fingolfin> exultbot: good boy, fetch, a cookie!
[18:58:49] * Fingolfin throws a cookie for exultbot
[18:59:09] <Fingolfin> change to headers: of course only incremently, i.e. when I modify a file anyway, I update the header...
[18:59:15] * exultbot devours cookie
[18:59:26] <exultbot> yummie... thanks!
[18:59:45] <wjp> the latest files already have (C) The Exult Team, btw
[19:05:47] <Fingolfin> I know, but a) not all and b) only for 2000 - I want that all are changed to 2000-2001!
[19:05:58] <Fingolfin> I think we should use the same header in all files, BTW...
[19:06:14] <wjp> #include "exult_header.h" :-)
[19:07:09] <wjp> but, yes, good idea
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[20:43:47] <Fingolfin> lo
[20:43:52] <wjp> hi again
[20:49:33] <Fingolfin> hrm
[20:49:49] <Fingolfin> dates should be in UTC or so ;) over in australia it is already the 12th
[20:50:03] <wjp> hehe :-)
[20:50:42] <wjp> yes, dates in the ChangeLog tend to hop back and forth quite a bit :-)
[21:14:45] <Fingolfin> if you wonder about the dozen emails you'll receive shortly...
[21:14:54] <Fingolfin> they are *not* from me but from my evil twin ;)
[21:15:14] <wjp> hehe :-)
[21:18:48] <Fingolfin> ups
[21:25:53] <wjp> ?
[21:27:57] <Fingolfin> I forgot to uptade contain.cc
[21:28:03] <Fingolfin> I mean, forgot to check it in
[21:28:14] <Fingolfin> ah well ;) a friend of mine just ICQed me...
[21:28:55] <Fingolfin> he has Win 2000, his system suddenly took very long (almost ten mins) to start up... he got himself a virus scanner, and after he removed the two virii he had, everything is going much smoother ;)
[21:28:56] <Fingolfin> poor Wintel users
[21:29:13] <wjp> yeah... :-)
[22:02:44] <wjp> Fingolfin: you here?
[22:02:54] <Fingolfin> yeah
[22:02:57] <Fingolfin> yeah I did
[22:03:05] <Fingolfin> I mean, my evil twin
[22:03:07] <wjp> k :-)
[22:03:08] <Fingolfin> I fixed his evil doings
[22:03:52] <Fingolfin> and if you want to mention CVS...
[22:03:52] <Fingolfin> it was not me!
[22:03:52] <Fingolfin> and it is in there
[22:03:52] <Fingolfin> ever has
[22:03:52] <Fingolfin> since the last 5 secs ;)
[22:03:57] <wjp> :-)
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[22:11:38] <Fingolfin> hi
[22:14:46] <wjp> I need to get up early again tomorrow :-(
[22:14:50] <wjp> g'night
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[22:15:50] <Fingolfin> well, me has to get up early, too
[22:15:52] <Fingolfin> cya
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[22:17:06] <chimera|work> =(