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[03:08:45] <Servus> mmm wb?
[03:08:59] <SB-X> thanks?
[03:10:03] <Servus> is this the part of Whose Line where we must ask in questions?
[03:10:30] * SB-X reaches into his pocket and pulls out a note. He reads it.
[03:10:32] <SB-X> No.
[03:11:00] <Servus> what a boring studio audience.
[03:29:41] <Eclair> lol
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[03:51:46] <Servus> h'lo
[03:52:03] <Quester> hi
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[07:03:47] <Zxcvb> are there any known bugs with carpet bombing in ultima 7?
[07:03:57] <SB-X> carpet bombing?
[07:04:06] <Zxcvb> yeah
[07:04:19] <SB-X> sounds like something i would want to try
[07:04:25] <SB-X> in u7
[07:04:26] <SB-X> but havnt
[07:04:26] <Zxcvb> get a bunch of bombs (oil flasks), stick them in a crate on the carpet, fly over enemies, and use them
[07:04:55] <SB-X> there are no known bug
[07:04:56] <SB-X> s
[07:04:59] <Zxcvb> have you tried the guy fawkes incident at the fellowship hall?
[07:05:07] <SB-X> no
[07:05:16] <SB-X> i havnt even played exult in a long time
[07:06:58] <Zxcvb> you put powder kegs all around the seats and podium at the fellowship hall
[07:07:13] <Zxcvb> then you have a line of powder kegs (like a fuse) running outside
[07:07:37] <Zxcvb> detonate the one outside, and it causes a chain reaction blowing up fellowship hall
[07:07:46] <SB-X> oh
[07:07:49] <SB-X> i might have done that :)
[07:08:01] <SB-X> i tried a lot of powder keg chain reactions
[07:08:23] <SB-X> all over paws for example... but i never got around to making a Britannia-wide chain reaction of explosions
[07:08:37] <Zxcvb> www.it-he.org/ultima7.htm
[07:08:47] <Zxcvb> I just did the fellowship hall
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[08:39:00] <Fermi> morning!
[08:39:48] * Eclair is back (gone 00:06:39)
[08:40:45] <SB-X> hello
[08:44:58] <Fermi> woo it's finally warmer weather here.
[08:45:26] <SB-X> where is here?
[08:45:44] <Fermi> Flagstaff, AZ
[08:46:12] <Fermi> USA :)
[08:47:03] <SB-X> oh yeah i read that in the logs
[08:49:26] <Fermi> I think you had a storm or something and had to log off
[08:49:50] <SB-X> hmm forgot i was here then
[08:49:51] <SB-X> yes
[08:52:08] <Fermi> what's the meaning behind your handle?
[08:52:46] <SB-X> nothing special
[08:52:52] <SB-X> they are letters
[08:53:21] <Fermi> with a hyphen!
[08:53:41] <SB-X> yeah
[08:53:51] <SB-X> sometimes i even go with lowercase letters and no hyphen
[08:53:57] <SB-X> depends on how i feel
[08:54:39] <Servus> sb-x 2003!
[08:55:17] <SB-X> Servus: i have used sbx2k actually :)
[08:55:31] <Servus> Oink Oink. Have you seen my broken Christian Scientist for a molting walrus?
[08:55:52] <Servus> A gump, a gump, my paradoxical situation for a gump!
[08:56:01] * Servus thinks you should've taken more time on the copy protection.
[08:56:17] * SB-X gives Servus the correct answers.
[08:56:29] <Servus> Forty times! Mandrake root is boiled Fourty times!
[08:56:41] <Servus> ive never used a manual for ultima copy protection answers.
[08:57:35] <Fermi> I did before they started using map coordinates
[08:58:33] <Fermi> Those cloth maps are very cool.
[08:58:40] <Servus> when ultima 6's lord british asked how to kill rotworms, i said "burn shoes and make them smell it!" and it worked.
[08:59:04] <Servus> i assume it's the keyword "burn", but "shoes" is so much more fun!
[08:59:23] <Servus> http://www.netassoc.net/ultima/images/u7snes.jpg lookit this!
[08:59:42] <Fermi> ack! The snes version?
[08:59:49] <Servus> yea, never saw it
[08:59:57] <SB-X> argh
[09:00:02] <SB-X> its the worst
[09:00:05] <Servus> http://www.netassoc.net/ultima/images/u8cert.jpg http://www.netassoc.net/ultima/images/u7pt1cert.jpg wtf!
[09:01:20] <Fermi> I have U5, U7 and U8 all framed.
[09:01:55] <Servus> framed?
[09:02:05] <Servus> you actually sent in to tell lord british you won?
[09:02:10] <Fermi> Nooo
[09:02:13] <Fermi> the maps
[09:02:16] <Servus> they say to do that with ultima underworld 1/2... i should do that next week :>
[09:02:29] <Servus> ultima7 snes looks the same! just fuzzier for the TV's sake, thouh
[09:03:25] <SB-X> looks can be deceiving
[09:04:02] <Servus> whats wrong with it?
[09:04:13] <Servus> i wanna tell lord british i beat ultima underworld 10 times!
[09:04:18] <Servus> that'd be superb
[09:04:22] <Fermi> :)
[09:04:43] <Servus> bet he never gets those letters anymore, though he probably used to all the time :)
[09:05:22] <Servus> an ultima 7 japanese version!
[09:05:31] <SB-X> for snes?
[09:05:33] <Servus> of course
[09:05:36] <SB-X> the snes version is evil
[09:05:40] <Servus> whats a snes emulator?
[09:05:41] <SB-X> i dont even want to talk about it
[09:05:41] <Servus> i wanna see!
[09:05:47] <Servus> but.. it's japanese!
[09:05:51] <Fermi> There is an Ultima manga right?
[09:06:15] <Servus> no clue... i need a snes emu..
[09:06:32] <Fermi> That site with all the rendered Ultima weapons mentioned I believe it
[09:07:07] <Fermi> s/it//
[09:08:30] <Servus> ultima6 japanese
[09:09:08] <Fermi> ?
[09:10:18] <Fermi> ultima 6 - spam spam spam humbug
[09:10:24] <Servus> runes of virtue... is that an snes-only thing?
[09:10:36] <Fermi> Gameboy I thought
[09:10:49] <Servus> OH MY GOD!
[09:12:11] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ.JPG
[09:13:38] <SB-X> they mixed up shamino and iolo
[09:15:50] <Servus> oh my LORD
[09:16:59] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ2.JPG http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ3.JPG
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[09:17:15] <Servus> wjp have you ever seen a game called "ultima rune of virtue"?
[09:17:43] <wjp> hm, wasn't that some kind of console game?
[09:17:51] <Servus> iolo is the avatar! Yay!
[09:18:00] <Servus> now mariah is the avatar! now dupre is! now shamino is!
[09:18:01] <wjp> (no, I haven't seen it, btw)
[09:18:19] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ.JPG http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ2.JPG http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/ult-RoJ3.JPG
[09:18:36] <SB-X> hi wjp
[09:18:59] <SB-X> hmm
[09:19:02] <SB-X> Servus: i played that briefly
[09:19:29] <Servus> it causes my gorge to rise ;-)
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[09:20:42] <Darke> Hi.
[09:20:47] <Servus> oh my goodness!!!!
[09:20:59] <SB-X> hello Darke
[09:21:31] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/u7-jap.JPG ;-/
[09:21:40] * Darke digs out Servus' gorge again. Can't have them filling up can we?
[09:22:55] <Servus> it looks nothnig like ultima7!
[09:23:10] <wjp> I can't really see anything under the text boxes :-)
[09:23:20] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/u7-jap2.JPG
[09:23:34] <Servus> 32 colour graphics?!?!
[09:24:02] <SB-X> and no streets in Trinsic?!? amazing!
[09:24:29] <Servus> when you kill stuff it poofs away in a cluod
[09:24:39] <Servus> when you go inside a building it actually changes maps and blacks out
[09:24:51] <SB-X> yes it does a lot of evil things
[09:24:52] * Darke hmms... Doesn't look too bad at all. How broken is the plot?
[09:25:53] <Servus> the music is incredibly _bad_, as is the _new_, _rewritten_text!
[09:26:01] <SB-X> Darke: nobody dies
[09:26:18] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/u7-snes.JPG
[09:26:52] <SB-X> they are kidnapped instead
[09:27:01] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/u7-snes2.JPG rofl
[09:27:05] <Servus> i bet there are no gargoyles?
[09:27:07] <Darke> SB-X: Umm... nobody dies? *blink* Now that's... unimpressive.
[09:27:33] <SB-X> there are gargoyles
[09:27:53] <SB-X> i dont think there is a magic carpet
[09:27:57] <Fermi> *boggles*
[09:28:02] <SB-X> i never found one
[09:28:19] <Servus> no party system
[09:28:38] <SB-X> button tapping combat
[09:28:41] <Fermi> What are we looking at? U7-snes right?
[09:28:45] <SB-X> the avatar swings his weapon around
[09:29:19] <Servus> i just remembered something... a conversation yesterday i had with console-gamers, where they said FF is "the best", and wheni mentionde ultima, they said it was the worst rpg ever... now i know why, but FF still sucks ;-)
[09:29:23] <Servus> yes fermi
[09:29:42] <SB-X> u7snes was the first time i played u7
[09:30:07] <Fermi> okay runes of virtue 2 was snes
[09:30:12] <SB-X> but i hoped pc version would be better and was correct :)
[09:30:25] <Servus> hey there's spark!
[09:30:35] <Servus> he says "go away" and you cant say anything but bye
[09:31:57] <Fermi> I played the Complete Ultima 7 on a Packard Bell 486sx 25mhz for several years
[09:32:20] <Fermi> Didn't get a SNES till later :)
[09:33:01] <Servus> ultima6's combat has been completley final-fantilzied
[09:34:21] <Servus> the music... lord british's theme... is subdued... muted... its *really* creepy
[09:34:50] <Servus> http://4.60.125.19/images/misc/u6-jap.JPG
[09:35:35] <wjp> graphics look familiar
[09:35:52] <wjp> although Nuvie's blackout algorithm handles walls better :-)
[09:37:01] <SB-X> annoying thing with u6 and combat is even if you defeat the enemy with 1 move the combat music will start *after* it is defeated, play for a few seconds while the game freezes, and then return to normal
[09:37:24] <Servus> in the ultima6 intro, they took out the word "catcall", and made it less poetic, but its a bit more faithful
[09:37:47] <Servus> haha @ the walls :-)
[09:38:22] <Servus> and they spare us that most dreadful part where the big gargoyle gets his head split in two with a crossbow bolt
[09:38:56] <Servus> "gargfolk gets 10 points of damage" wtf
[09:40:40] <Servus> oh dear, shamino is *attacking* with his maine gauche
[09:40:53] <Servus> well enough of that, its terribly late and i have work today, bye ;-)
[09:42:48] <Darke> Bye. *grin* Don't have too many nightmares about snesu6/7! *grin*
[09:43:03] <Servus> it was interesting
[09:43:04] <wjp> night
[09:43:05] <Servus> ok 'ta
[09:43:12] <Servus> night, tot ziens :)
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[09:45:26] <Fermi> wjp: Have you seen the Ultima manga?
[09:45:52] <wjp> no, didn't know there was any
[09:55:30] <Fermi> wjp: What's your attraction to Ultima?
[09:56:19] * SB-X points out that wjp and Fermi are the same color.
[09:56:59] <Fermi> Same for you sb-x: What's your attraction to Ultima? :)
[09:57:31] <SB-X> i dont know why im a part of this, im a completely different color
[09:57:48] <Fermi> Because you are here.
[09:58:00] <SB-X> ah :)
[09:58:01] <Fermi> Color is irrelevant.
[09:58:14] <Fermi> *checks his spelling*
[09:58:40] <Fermi> woo.
[09:58:47] <SB-X> color?
[09:59:04] <Fermi> nope. irrelevant looked odd to me.
[10:00:59] <Fermi> I could use colour instead of color if you prefer
[10:03:55] <SB-X> some other people here might prefer :)
[10:07:39] <Fermi> Very well. I'll try to be sensitive towards language preferences. :) But tell me, what's your attraction to Ultima?
[10:13:07] <SB-X> large word with interactivity with nearly everything and everyone, and lots of books, and conversations with npcs, and runic
[10:13:11] <SB-X> world*
[10:16:23] <Fermi> Is your response regarding a specific game in the series?
[10:17:10] <SB-X> no
[10:17:12] <Fermi> I feel like I'm leading you...
[10:17:58] <Darke> Perhaps being more specific in your question would help? *grin*
[10:18:02] <Fermi> Was there more to say after "and runic?"
[10:18:09] <SB-X> no
[10:18:28] <SB-X> except maybe the gargoyle city and language in u6
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[10:19:13] <SB-X> i didnt play SI so i dont know much about those languages and the that world
[10:19:44] <Fermi> That's interesting.
[10:19:50] <Fermi> Did you play Ultima 8 or 9?
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[10:21:47] <SB-X> just 8, for an hour or two playing time
[10:22:23] <Fermi> Was that enough time for you to identify with it?
[10:22:49] <SB-X> identify?
[10:22:53] <SB-X> what does that mean?
[10:23:23] <Fermi> Well why did you cease playing after a couple hours?
[10:24:48] <SB-X> got bored
[10:27:41] <Fermi> It takes people a certain amount of time to become comfortable with a game. An aspect such as the interface may prolong that period or completely prohibit a player from 'getting into it.' That's what I meant by 'identify.'
[10:29:26] <Fermi> Did you play Ultima 5?
[10:30:18] <SB-X> then i didnt identify with u8
[10:30:23] <SB-X> u5 is one of my favorites
[10:31:02] <Fermi> ah!
[10:31:19] <Fermi> Which platform did you play it on?
[10:32:30] <SB-X> Apple //e, PC
[10:32:48] <Fermi> ooh an original apple 2e?
[10:33:33] <SB-X> no an emulator
[10:33:48] <SB-X> i mightve played on an actual apple too i cant remember
[10:34:17] <Fermi> ah. with dual mockingboard support?
[10:34:47] * SB-X shrugs.
[10:34:50] <SB-X> i cant remember the music
[10:34:58] <SB-X> but i remember playing instruments in it
[10:35:30] <SB-X> at least in the lighthouse
[10:35:34] <Fermi> In the PC version, did you play the original, or did you enhance it?
[10:37:22] <SB-X> i dont recall
[10:37:25] <SB-X> i havnt played in a while
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[10:37:58] <Fermi> :)
[10:38:03] <Fermi> Ok.
[10:38:43] <Fermi> Interview over. --- But why haven't you played SI?
[10:39:23] <SB-X> havn't got around to it
[10:41:48] <Fermi> I hope the deity responsible for time-off grants you plenty so that you can play it. :)
[10:42:06] <SB-X> all i know is its more linear
[10:42:21] <SB-X> i did play some of it, and got to Fawn
[10:45:29] <Fermi> Fawn on the quest to cure the poison?
[10:46:21] <SB-X> no
[10:46:35] <SB-X> just as soon as i did the knight quest and left monitor
[10:47:09] <SB-X> i didnt go into Fawn just outside it
[10:48:56] <Fermi> ahh
[10:49:12] <Fermi> With Batlin's crew
[10:49:27] <Fermi> I think?
[10:49:34] <Fermi> Yeah..the blackrock
[10:49:39] <Fermi> shattered
[10:50:23] <Fermi> and the young, idealistic, Leon? I think that was his name.
[10:52:17] <Fermi> ahh well. Warren Spector did a great job with that game.
[10:57:53] <Fermi> There could be a great murder-mystery novelization about U7.
[10:58:43] <SB-X> theres already fan fiction
[10:59:31] <Fermi> There is a published Ultima novel series
[11:00:05] <Fermi> I read one...but I don't recall a single thing from the first book I read
[11:00:44] <Fermi> Which fanfic do you suggest?
[11:01:49] <SB-X> i dont know any of them
[11:01:51] <SB-X> i just assumed
[11:02:26] <Fermi> heh
[11:02:55] <SB-X> gotta go
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[11:04:33] <Fermi> When do the ultima addicts logon?
[11:07:32] <wjp> try rec.games.computer.ultima* :-)
[11:13:10] <Fermi> blah Usenet
[11:13:29] <Fermi> Forks and cinnabons, if I remember correctly.
[11:13:47] <wjp> :-)
[11:13:51] <wjp> seems you've been there :-)
[11:24:18] <Fermi> Yep. The UDIC used to be a big deal.
[11:27:24] <Fermi> wjp: Did you register with the UDIC?
[11:27:35] * wjp nods
[11:27:47] <wjp> never been really active in it, though
[11:27:50] <Fermi> What's your dragon name?
[11:27:54] <wjp> arthuris dragon
[11:28:25] <Fermi> What year?
[11:28:39] <wjp> can't remember :-)
[11:28:54] <wjp> at least 6 years ago, I think
[11:29:19] <Fermi> same here
[11:29:26] <Fermi> 1996 or 1997
[11:43:35] <Fermi> What are you working on? (if anything)
[11:46:17] <Fermi> I have to get a perl script working on this new solaris box. Gah. I hate solaris.
[11:47:16] <Fermi> Everything is just a little bit different.
[11:48:30] <wjp> what does it (try to) do? (the perl script)
[11:49:18] <Fermi> Oi. It was an RIAA compliant music streamer.
[11:49:43] <wjp> RIAA-complaint? Meaning it doesn't actually stream music? :-)
[11:49:56] <wjp> s/ai/ia/
[11:51:25] <Fermi> It did stream music...but I don't have confidence in the current installation of Icecast.
[11:51:41] <Fermi> Passing the buck :)
[11:53:44] <Fermi> yeah funny
[11:54:20] <Fermi> No..you know the rules...4 from an artist every 3 hours...no more than 3 songs from the same album every 3 hours
[11:54:53] <wjp> never heard of these rules, actually :-)
[11:55:06] <Fermi> So that and user votes decide the next song
[11:55:23] <Fermi> When the server is working
[11:56:18] <Fermi> I wish we never switched to solaris...the linux build on the rackmac worked great
[11:57:46] <Darke> Apparently there was a bit audit of mp3s on public shares at uni, lots of emails floating around and conversations as to what the uni and such was going to do about the potential liability of legal vs. illegal mp3s of copyrighted songs, etc. I just suggested everyone switch to oggs or wmvs, thus solving the problem.
[11:58:02] <wjp> brilliant solution :-)
[11:58:03] <Darke> Apparently such an obvious suggestion wasn't appreciated. *grin*
[11:58:57] <Darke> I mean, it wasn't a fuss about potentially illegal music files, it was a fuss about potentially illegal *mp3* files, so... *grin*
[12:00:00] <wjp> I noticed people seem to be having trouble keeping the illegal act and the tools used for it apart :-)
[12:00:31] <Fermi> We wanted to go ogg...but the admins can't get Icecast v2 to compile at all on Solaris
[12:00:38] * Darke 's music is all oggs there anyway. If he was *amazingly* desperate, all he'd have to do is to setup a music streamer on his home box and connect to it. Simple. *grin*
[12:01:10] <Darke> It honestly wouldn't surprise me. Somedays it's almost impossible to get *anything* compiled on solaris.
[12:01:25] <wjp> hm, that reminds me... I should try exult again sometime
[12:01:32] <wjp> (compiling exult on solaris, that is)
[12:01:36] <Darke> Especially when they're using revisions of gcc, 3 orders of magnitude out of date.
[12:01:57] <Darke> wjp: Haven't played exult in a while have we? Oh, fair enough. *grin*
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[12:14:01] <Fermi> One admin wants to go ditch icecast and go with shoutcast
[12:14:44] * Darke casts Magic Missle!
[12:15:06] <Darke> (Sorry! *grin*)
[12:16:11] <Fermi> kal lor?
[12:16:47] <Fermi> in lor?
[12:16:56] <Fermi> *looks*
[12:17:51] <wjp> lor is light :-)
[12:18:26] <Fermi> Bah my books aren't here anyway
[12:18:44] <Fermi> (yeah right)
[12:22:09] <Fermi> I'm not gonna look no matter how grim your faces become.
[12:22:48] * wjp lols
[12:22:54] <wjp> it seems I have to go for a bit
[12:23:12] <wjp> my parents seem to have managed to lock their bikes to a fence without bringing the key to that lock
[12:23:21] <wjp> so I'm going to have to bring them the key :-)
[12:23:39] * wjp is rather impressed
[12:25:54] <Darke> Oops!
[12:27:00] * Darke admits he locked himself out of his apartment today. But he'd just woken up to his currently-in-uk flatmate's father wanting to pick some of his things up, so didn't really have the presence of mind to correctly determine the correct set of keys. *grin*
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[22:57:13] <Soul|LOVE> snickers bar + sliced beef + mustard + cough drop + vitamin pill + benadryll + ibproufen + ruby red squirt + some ice + 2 packs instant oatmel + blender = souls cure for chest colds
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[23:43:54] <ShadwChsr> hey