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[00:00:03] <Dominus> !8ball bye
[00:00:04] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 HOHO DRYWALL R GHEY
[00:00:14] <Dominus> bye Colourless
[00:00:18] <Colourless> cya
[00:00:20] <Dominus> exultbot bye
[00:00:26] <Colourless> ?bye
[00:00:26] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[00:00:31] <Dominus> :-)
[00:00:48] <-- Colourless has left IRC ("enough gliding")
[00:00:50] <-- Dominus has left IRC ("got to play Exult now")
[06:28:19] <-- matto has left IRC ("Play Dragon's Lair in linux - http://www.daphne-emu.com - Developers welcome :)")
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[07:18:16] <Wumpus> mrmmm
[07:18:28] * Wumpus curses
[07:18:57] <Wumpus> debian stuff in the repository is extremely b0rked; I forgot to mention to wjp that there were some new files in the patch i gave him, so they were never added :(
[07:19:30] <Wumpus> ahh yay, its still on my website though *phew*
[07:19:50] <Wumpus> `lo all
[07:37:52] <Wumpus> wuc, wud, ucdump, rip, mklink.... are all in the tools subdirectory, but don't get installed; are they broken?
[07:38:30] * Wumpus meditates :)
[07:39:44] --- Wumpus is now known as Wumpus_Dinner
[07:53:13] --- Wumpus_Dinner is now known as Wumpus
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[08:34:50] <Darke> Wumpus: Those particular tools aren't installed because they either don't work as intended, or there are 'better' tools to use instead of them. <grin>
[08:35:04] --- Darke is now known as Darke|idle
[08:37:05] <Wumpus> good :)
[08:39:22] * Darke|idle greetingsbows, since he kind of forgot. <grin>
[08:42:00] <Wumpus> :)
[09:05:33] <Wumpus> you can't alter CVS can you darke?
[09:06:35] <Darke|idle> Commit to cvs? Yes I can.
[09:06:52] <Wumpus> ooh, could you fix the debian subdir for me in a little while then?
[09:07:10] <Wumpus> what's in there at the moment is broken, because I forgot to mention to wjp that there were some new files added and old file removed with the patch i gave him
[09:07:18] <Wumpus> and i've updated the exult-tools package in any case :)
[09:08:15] <Wumpus> also, do you know if the changelog is updated "magically"? IE, automatically whenever a commit is done? because if so, I may use that...
[09:08:32] <Darke|idle> <nod> I should be able to make the changes. <grin> I've just got a busy night ahead of me, and I need to disappear early, because I've got a busy day tomorrow. Dealing with beaurocrazy.
[09:08:42] <Wumpus> when is "early"
[09:08:49] <Wumpus> ooh beaurocracy :-(
[09:09:05] <Darke|idle> Umm... within the next 4 hours or so. <grin>
[09:09:10] <Wumpus> oh :)
[09:09:23] <Darke|idle> No, we manually update the changelog upon each commit.
[09:11:06] <Wumpus> ah okie
[09:22:13] <Wumpus> okay all looks good :)
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[09:34:42] <sbx> hi
[09:35:00] * Darke|idle bows. "Hi."
[09:35:23] <sbx> Darke|idle did you see my conversations with MiniMe yesterday?
[09:35:52] <Darke|idle> I seem to remember some conversations yes, anything in particular I should have noted? <grin>
[09:36:08] <sbx> the 8ball knows that you hit on little rabbits :-)
[09:37:05] <Darke|idle> I believe it actually said:
[09:37:05] <Darke|idle> [17:58:39] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 DARKE HITS ON INNOCENT LITTLE RABBITS
[09:37:25] <sbx> yes innocent no less
[09:37:47] <Darke|idle> Which is patently false. None of the rabbits I hit on are either 'innocent' or 'little'. <innocentwiggle>
[09:38:11] * Darke|idle proceeds to look innocent.
[09:38:18] <sbx> the strange thing is the 8ball revealed that information when I didnt ask for it .... hmm actually that is not strange for the 8ball
[09:38:35] <Darke|idle> No it's not strange for the 8ball.
[09:39:24] <sbx> at least it's not HUHU DARKE WATCHES JAPSCAT
[09:40:10] * Darke|idle considers that's a good thing it isn't. <grin>
[09:56:24] * Darke|idle blinks. Ok, if he adds a new key, it literally adds a new key, rather then replacing it.
[10:05:03] <Wumpus> how does one do conditionals in a makefile?
[10:05:52] <sbx> Darke|idle: a new key with the same name?
[10:06:23] <Wumpus> oh its just shell, isn't it, hmm
[10:07:24] <sbx> Wumpus make just runs commands so that is what i would guess
[10:07:36] <Darke|idle> sbx: If I've got a 'config/patch' key set to 'foo', and I add a 'config/patch' key set to 'bar' I get something like <config><patch>foo</patch><patch>bar</patch></config>
[10:08:05] <Darke|idle> (execpt bar is first)
[10:08:17] <sbx> Darke|idle: nice "feature"!
[10:08:28] <Darke|idle> sbx: I originally expected it would just result in <config><patch>bar</patch></config>
[10:08:38] <sbx> that is expected
[10:09:04] <sbx> what happens in the parsing if a program requests config/patch ? does it return the first one found?
[10:09:15] <Darke|idle> I don't know how it would resolve duplicates if I searched for them, nor do I know if this is how it should work.
[10:09:25] <sbx> ohthat was
[10:09:30] <sbx> oh, that is the answer :-)
[10:09:32] * Darke|idle is guessing first 'found' first returned.
[10:09:56] <sbx> that is confusing, i am sure replacing the existing key is expected by most people
[10:10:01] <Wumpus> is [ -z $DO_STRIP ] || echo hi valid in ordianry shell? (ie 'sh' style shell, not bash)
[10:10:27] <sbx> heh i just have bash installed
[10:10:42] <Wumpus> oh never mind
[10:10:43] <Darke|idle> No idea. And I don't have a solaris box or something around to test it either.
[10:10:46] <Wumpus> it doesn't matter :)
[10:10:52] <sbx> ls -l /bin/sh
[10:10:53] <sbx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 10 2001 /bin/sh -> bash*
[10:10:57] * Wumpus discovers he was trying to reinvent the wheel
[10:11:03] <Wumpus> sbx- indeed, me too, thats why i asked :)
[10:11:14] <Wumpus> but sh does exist in its own right :P
[10:11:29] <sbx> hmm, maybe, but perhaps it is just a legend
[10:11:31] <Darke|idle> <nod> It's 'bash' running in 'sh' mode, which it technically doesn't do 'right'.
[10:11:52] <Wumpus> actually i do have a handy slowaris box
[10:12:03] <Darke|idle> A 'true' sh shell doesn't exist on linux. IIRC there is one on solaris though.
[10:12:27] <sbx> slowaris?
[10:12:35] <Wumpus> michaelz@thesis04 21:12:23 ~ $ /bin/sh
[10:12:35] <Wumpus> \u@\h \t \w $
[10:12:42] <Wumpus> ... I guess my prompt doesn't work in sh :-)
[10:13:04] <Darke|idle> <grin> Perhaps not.
[10:13:13] <Darke|idle> sbx: A condenscending name for solaris.
[10:13:20] <Wumpus> woot it seems to work :)
[10:13:36] <sbx> is solaris slow?
[10:13:51] <Wumpus> I haev no idea
[10:13:53] <Wumpus> :P
[10:14:44] <sbx> does Windows blow?
[10:15:14] <Darke|idle> sbx: It's like the 'doze name for Windows.
[10:15:15] <sbx> or even doze?
[10:15:30] <Wumpus> I don't think i've ever tried to use it in... that way... ;-p
[10:15:55] <sbx> what is a condenscending name for Unix?
[10:16:51] <sbx> how about Debian GNU/Linux? does anyone give it bad names? :-)
[10:17:22] <Wumpus> *shrug* there's always linsux ;-p
[10:17:25] <Darke|idle> Umm... does an operating system that's pronounced the same wasy as 'eunuchs', _really_ need a condenscending name?
[10:17:38] <Darke|idle> s/wasy/way/
[10:17:55] <sbx> hehe Darke|idle Wumpus
[10:18:30] <Darke|idle> Admittedly the 'generic' person that's supposed to use it might as well be one. <grin>
[10:18:49] <sbx> ...
[10:18:53] <sbx> i was just wondering what Wumpus has against Solaris :-)
[10:19:02] <Wumpus> nothing :)
[10:19:14] <Wumpus> except the install at uni doesn't have my nice toys on it, hehe
[10:19:24] <sbx> stow?
[10:19:31] <Wumpus> oh stow is there
[10:19:33] <sbx> exult?
[10:19:41] * Wumpus just never bothered compiling all his random tools for both OSs
[10:19:50] <Wumpus> um, not exult, don't have that at uni :)
[10:20:10] <Wumpus> stuff like dvilx, postgres, other bits and pieces i use
[10:20:18] <Wumpus> xlock-more :)
[10:21:16] <sbx> ive never heard of any of that but ok
[10:22:32] <sbx> whats the difference between awk and sed?
[10:22:55] <Wumpus> for me? I can't use awk and i can use sed :)
[10:23:28] <sbx> heh
[10:23:40] <Wumpus> they serve similar purposes though, as far as i understand it :)
[10:24:00] <sbx> how about the difference between awk and gawk
[10:24:02] <sbx> ?
[10:24:30] <Wumpus> probably the same as the differene between make and gmake ;-p extra bells and whistles in the latter, or something
[10:24:50] <sbx> ls -l /usr/bin/awk
[10:24:51] <sbx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 10 2001 /usr/bin/awk -> gawk*
[10:25:06] <sbx> :-)
[10:25:15] <sbx> Wumpus: did you encounter more bugs?
[10:25:27] <Wumpus> not since yesterday
[10:25:31] <Wumpus> sincei haven't played :)
[10:26:18] <Wumpus> hehe i have /usr/bin/awk -> /etc/alternatives/awk -> /usr/bin/mawk ...
[10:26:33] <Wumpus> whatever that is ;-p
[10:26:38] <Wumpus> hmm
[10:26:43] <Wumpus> unstripped exult is... large
[10:26:43] <sbx> /etc is not for config files on Debian?
[10:26:52] <Wumpus> yeah, for config stuff as well
[10:27:19] <Wumpus> but /etc/alternatives is for a bunch of things which have, well, alternatives :) like, freeciv points to either freeciv-gtk or freeciv-xaw
[10:27:23] <Wumpus> or editor lives inthere
[10:27:38] <Wumpus> which is kind of config, as well, in its own way :)
[10:28:32] <sbx> what do you use to edit source code?
[10:28:44] <Wumpus> xemacs and joe
[10:29:00] <sbx> wow 25M (exult)
[10:29:06] <Wumpus> indeed :)
[10:29:09] <Wumpus> Installed-Size: 26636
[10:29:09] <sbx> emacs... isnt that like its own os?
[10:29:17] <sbx> you are installing it unstripped?
[10:29:20] <Wumpus> hehe emacs is a lot of things, yes :-)
[10:29:27] <Wumpus> hehe well yeah, i have an unstripped copy installed
[10:29:27] * Darke|idle uses kdeveloper and vi. <grin>
[10:29:38] <Wumpus> just trying out my debug settings for the debian files
[10:29:39] <sbx> and joe takes the form of other editors?
[10:29:58] <Wumpus> joe has key bindings for a number of differnet editors, yes
[10:30:12] <sbx> Darke|idle: does kdeveloper have functions/classes selectors like VC++?
[10:30:13] <Wumpus> i'm mainly migrating to xemacs now, after having used joe for ages...
[10:30:25] <sbx> why did you use joe for so long?
[10:30:32] <Wumpus> never had a reason to change :P
[10:30:38] <sbx> what is the reason now?
[10:30:43] * Darke|idle 's exult is only just under 20Meg. <pout>
[10:30:52] --- Darke|idle is now known as Darke
[10:31:00] <Wumpus> because i had to be able to help my students use xemacs :)
[10:31:08] <Wumpus> and it has some very nice bells and whistles
[10:31:16] <sbx> like?
[10:31:30] * Wumpus grins at darke
[10:31:31] <Wumpus> michaelz@baradduhr 21:28:40 ~/src $ du -s /usr/local/stow/exultl20011210
[10:31:31] <Wumpus> 37164 /usr/local/stow/exultl20011210
[10:31:35] <sbx> strip build/exult/exult
[10:31:35] <sbx> du build/exult/exult
[10:31:40] <sbx> 2.0M build/exult/exult
[10:31:40] <Wumpus> (that 'l' in the middle is a mistake.. hmm)
[10:32:22] <Wumpus> sbx- *shrug* just nice to use, I don't usually obther quantifying that sort of thing for myself :P
[10:32:44] <sbx> so why help your students use xemacs?
[10:33:05] <Wumpus> becasue that's what the lecturer wanted them to use :) its what he introduced them to
[10:34:04] <Wumpus> okay, now... one more script to write :)
[10:34:58] <sbx> why did you start using joe?
[10:35:49] <Wumpus> because its what i was first introduced to :P
[10:36:02] * sbx interrogates Wumpus.
[10:36:06] <sbx> sorry :-)
[10:36:10] <sbx> ok
[10:36:11] <Wumpus> :P
[10:36:33] <sbx> Darke
[10:37:35] <sbx> uh oh
[10:37:43] <Wumpus> he's hiding
[10:37:44] <Darke> sbx: (KDev) It has a very VC++ interface, which I particularly loathe, but it's gotten much more like my 'preferred' editor under dos (RHIDE) recently with it's hotkeys. But it makes doing things much easier for the most part.
[10:37:50] <sbx> dont do `ls | grep '*'`
[10:38:26] <sbx> Darke: there is a RHIDE for Unixes?
[10:38:55] <sbx> Darke: hmm i havnt used VC++ much but is the ability to select certain classes or methods helpful?
[10:39:22] <Darke> sbx: There was a beta linux port, but last time I tried tried to use it, the binary wouldn't run, and I couldn't get it to compile (it requires a few... finnky libraries).
[10:39:56] <sbx> oh
[10:40:59] <Darke> (VC) Not at all really, I'm used to, in RHIDE, hitting F2 which pulls up a list of all the functions in the project, starting to type the start of the function name to get 'about' where it is, then hitting up and down until I'm at the right place, enter then takes me to the exact file and location. VC+KDev require a _mouse_ to do the same thing.
[10:42:04] <sbx> That is what I meant, not the way they implement it but the ability. Why do you use KDev?
[10:44:40] <Darke> Colour highlighting, I can alt+number to switch to up to the first 10 open code windows, without using a mouse. Integrated debugger (not that I use it all that often). Just starting a 'quick' new project, it'll handle all the automake+autoconf stuff for you. It even has cvs integration, again not that I use it much.
[10:45:19] <sbx> OoOooh, and what do you think of vi?
[10:47:15] <Darke> I use it for quick code hacks, and editing opcodes.txt mostly. <grin>
[10:48:30] <sbx> ok
[10:48:45] <sbx> Wumpus: what do you think of vi?
[10:51:23] <Wumpus> I know how to get out of it :)
[10:51:47] <sbx> have either of you used cooledit?
[10:52:01] <sbx> or nedit
[10:52:14] <Darke> Nope.
[10:52:21] <Wumpus> cooledit is a wav editor... yes
[10:52:21] <Wumpus> bah nedit
[10:52:46] <Wumpus> nedit is easy, but not all that useful in my experience, although i'm told it can be otherwise
[10:53:11] <sbx> Wumpus: i meant cooledit the text editor
[10:53:21] <Wumpus> hmm never heard of that
[10:53:30] * sbx didn't actually try nedit.
[10:53:33] * Wumpus notes that cooledit wav editor is a commerical thing.... copyright issues?
[10:53:44] <Wumpus> well not copyright
[10:53:55] <Wumpus> trademark or whatever rpoduct naming falls under
[10:53:57] <sbx> i think they probably wont care since they are not in competition
[10:54:02] <Wumpus> hmmt rue
[10:54:05] <Wumpus> true even
[10:54:11] <Wumpus> still a bit seedy :
[10:54:14] <Wumpus> ffs
[10:54:24] <sbx> but i wouldve just called it cedit :-) is there something called cedit?
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[10:57:04] <wjp> Wumpus: umm... sorry about missing those files...
[10:57:04] * Darke bows, "Hi."
[10:57:08] <sbx> hi
[10:57:18] <wjp> hi
[10:57:42] <sbx> wjp what editor do you use for coding?
[10:57:46] <wjp> emacs
[10:57:59] <Wumpus> wjp- 'sok, I should have checked it sooner :)
[10:58:06] <wjp> I guess I should add these:
[10:58:20] * Wumpus is just trying to hack together a cvs package generating script :) nearly there
[10:58:23] <wjp> debian/exult-tools.README.Debian, debian/exult-tools.files, debian/exult.docs, debian/exult.files
[10:58:38] <Wumpus> yeah, and remove README.Debian :)
[10:58:56] <sbx> what wrong with README.Debian?
[10:59:03] <Wumpus> but you might want to wait a bit if you're going to stay around, as I should be done with a proper tools package and this script in a little bit
[10:59:10] <Wumpus> sbx- its redundant :)
[10:59:32] <Wumpus> that information is in the control info; I suppose it could be duplicated...
[10:59:34] <wjp> oh, ok, I'll wait then
[11:00:00] * Wumpus finds logs disconcerting :P
[11:03:30] * Darke wonders why logs are disconcerting.
[11:05:12] * sbx wonders which logs are disconcerting.
[11:07:11] <Wumpus> what would be the best place for a script to get the version string of exult from?
[11:10:51] <Wumpus> hmm config.h perhaps..
[11:12:37] <Wumpus> oh no, i need to do this before configure, ouch
[11:12:43] <Wumpus> that sucks
[11:12:57] <sbx> what would be the best fs and directory to store audio/video files?
[11:13:16] <wjp> sbx: what do you mean?
[11:13:31] <sbx> just fishing for opinions
[11:13:50] * Wumpus thinks sbx has had a boring day :P
[11:14:16] <sbx> i used to have this data in /home/ but when that filled up i started using /usr/local/share/media
[11:14:41] <wjp> ah...
[11:14:44] * wjp gets what sbx means now
[11:14:46] <sbx> Wumpus: eh i got stuff i have to do that i just dont want to do yet :P
[11:14:48] * Wumpus uses /home, *shrug*
[11:14:54] <Wumpus> sbx- :-)
[11:15:20] * wjp has an extra partition mounted at /data for those things
[11:15:41] <sbx> oooh, what fs type?
[11:15:53] <wjp> xfs
[11:16:11] <Wumpus> If i had a separate partition, I'd probably use fat32, just so I could get at it in windows as well, for when i'm in there :P
[11:16:17] <Wumpus> but i don't :P
[11:17:41] <sbx> i guess i coulda done that... is /usr/local/share/media violating some FS standard?
[11:18:01] <sbx> (not that it would matter)
[11:18:01] * wjp doesn't pay that much attention to FS standards
[11:36:44] <Wumpus> w00t seems to work
[11:41:34] <Wumpus> yay ... exult_0.97cvs-2001120801_i386.deb
[11:42:36] * Wumpus notes that these scripts rely on the ChangeLog being kept current... :P
[11:42:57] <Wumpus> `this script' even...
[11:43:26] * wjp wonders if that is such a good idea
[11:43:41] <Darke> It should always be 'current'.
[11:43:57] <Wumpus> *nod* I can't think of an easy other way to fully automate the cvs bit though
[11:44:51] <Wumpus> and for now, it requires a small bit of manual intervention (IE correctly updating debian/changelog) for non-cvs releases
[11:45:04] * Wumpus will think on it a bit, but I'm quite happy wit this for now
[11:45:24] * sbx has no idea about deb.
[11:45:49] <Wumpus> well, its not so much a deb issue as a question of putting a useful version number on the package
[11:45:57] <wjp> the .spec file currently gets its version number from configure
[11:45:58] <Wumpus> without having to do it manually
[11:46:07] <wjp> (ie. exult.spec is generated by configure)
[11:46:10] <Wumpus> *nod* but that only works for the real builds
[11:46:23] <Wumpus> s/real/"full releases"/
[11:46:28] <wjp> true
[11:46:37] <wjp> but then again, we only release .rpm's for those
[11:46:40] <Wumpus> which is just what this script isn't for :)
[11:47:55] <sbx> maybe you should only make release debs
[11:49:00] <Wumpus> *shrug* yah, well, i'm mainly writing the script for myself, just thinking some other people might get some mileage out of it *shrug*
[11:49:29] * Wumpus occasionally updates his own repository thingie
[11:58:06] <Wumpus> fsck
[11:59:14] <sbx> all filesystems clean
[11:59:31] <sbx> ?
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[12:00:03] <sbx> hehe
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[12:02:01] <sbx> what happened?
[12:03:29] <sbx> Wumpus
[12:04:16] <Wumpus> suffice to say the i'm reading /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.gz (because mc is broken)
[12:04:34] <sbx> uh oh
[12:04:52] <sbx> what did you do?
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[12:12:46] <wjp> hi
[12:12:47] <sbx> hi
[12:12:50] <Colourless> hi
[12:12:56] <Soul|NOTLOVE> bye
[12:13:00] <Darke> Hi Colourless.
[12:13:26] <sbx> Soul|NOTLOVE are you leaving?
[12:13:30] <Soul|NOTLOVE> nay
[12:13:44] <Colourless> i think it's a pre-emptive bye :-)
[12:13:47] <Darke> Soul: If NOTLOVE leaves does that mean LOVE remains?
[12:14:02] * Darke looks at the /topic.
[12:14:03] <Soul|NOTLOVE> not in this case
[12:14:49] <Wumpus> well this is actually quite easy :P
[12:17:15] <Wumpus> mmm HOWTOs, yum
[12:17:33] <Soul|NOTLOVE> THE KOMBUCHA MUSHROOM PEOPLE
[12:18:03] <Wumpus> *blinks*
[12:18:06] <Wumpus> oh, d'uh
[12:18:09] <Soul|NOTLOVE> SITTING AROUND ALL DAY
[12:18:13] <Soul|NOTLOVE> WHO CAN BELIEVE YOU!?
[12:18:19] <Wumpus> /home still missing, no wonder I can't seem to do anything :P
[12:18:37] <Soul|NOTLOVE> I got a gun the other day from sako it's cute it's small it fits right in my pocket.
[12:18:58] <Soul|NOTLOVE> PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CHASING ME DOWN TRYING TO PUSH MY FACE INTO THE GRUOND WHERE ALL THEY REALLY WANT TO DO Is suck out my brains!!!!
[12:19:42] * Darke innocentwiggles, it's so nice when other people go out of their way to make you look 'normal'. <grin>
[12:19:51] * wjp looks for a 'squelch' button in xchat
[12:19:52] <Soul|NOTLOVE> You know that every time I try to go where I really want to be, it's where I already am, cause I'm already there
[12:20:05] <Wumpus> darke- :-)
[12:20:23] <Wumpus> anyway, brb, this is currently in a $HOME-less shell :P
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[12:23:29] <sbx> wb
[12:23:39] <Wumpus> :)
[12:23:44] <sbx> /home -less.. that is not good, i can guess why you didnt want to tell me
[12:24:01] <Wumpus> hmm ?
[12:24:10] <Wumpus> want to tell you what?
[12:24:21] <Wumpus> I unmounted /home, so yer, it was gone....
[12:24:41] * Wumpus had just nuked one file he'd been working on for a good while...
[12:24:49] <sbx> what you did that caused you to look at Ext2fx-Undeletion
[12:24:55] <Wumpus> oh :) hehe
[12:25:28] <sbx> oh what file? have to do with debian exult?
[12:26:15] <Wumpus> I wasn't paying a great deal of attention, so i probably missed you asking :P
[12:26:18] <Wumpus> yeah :P
[12:26:29] <sbx> :-(
[12:26:37] <Wumpus> probably would have been easy to reconstruct, really, had just been tricky to get some of the bits out the first time
[12:26:42] <Wumpus> but anyway, its back in its place now :P
[12:26:55] <Wumpus> and mc is no longer installed... it'd been acting up for a while, and debugfs is nice and easy to use :)
[12:27:00] <Wumpus> (and a lot faster)
[12:29:21] <Soul|NOTLOVE> my 40.9GB 7200 RPM Fujitsu (awesome quality) HDD comes either today or tomorrow
[12:29:53] <sbx> Soul for what?
[12:30:05] <Soul|NOTLOVE> for more space
[12:30:17] <sbx> for what?
[12:30:26] * Darke wonders if he should drop a pointer to exult's 'About Us' page in his Resume, now he's actually on it. <grin>
[12:30:40] <sbx> Darke you looking for a job?
[12:30:41] <Wumpus> darke- :-)
[12:30:41] <Soul|NOTLOVE> originally it was for a faster performing drive and a large place to serve my pages and my mp3 server
[12:30:46] <Soul|NOTLOVE> but i've kinda lost all motivation
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[12:31:17] <sbx> Soul what was your original motivation?
[12:31:53] <Soul|NOTLOVE> nm
[12:32:12] <Darke> Colourless: Perhaps I should change the topic to '... every 15 minutes...'?
[12:36:23] <Darke> sbx: (looking for a job) Yep. Ever so fun in the currently rather 'lacking' IT market in .au.
[12:38:11] <Wumpus> darke- i'm approaching that problem from a different angle :P
[12:38:24] <Wumpus> called "looking for an overseas job' :P
[12:38:37] <sbx> hmm IT interesting field i guess :-)
[12:38:41] * sbx goes away.
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[12:39:30] * Darke decided to add the exult link to his resume, and hopes his employers don't look too carefully, and find out he roleplays and overs^Wsentient rabbit.
[12:39:55] * Wumpus tries to work out the overs.. word
[12:40:13] <Wumpus> hey hang on, its almost midnight and i haven't played exult today!
[12:40:24] <Wumpus> well, except for between midniht and 2am :P
[12:40:28] <Wumpus> (-ish)
[12:41:03] <Darke> Wumpus: An overseas job sounds like a good idea. <grin> It's a case of 'where' though. I have a friend who's going to go over to the uk and get a sysadmin job there if he doesn't get some 'real' work within the next 3 months.
[12:41:44] <Wumpus> darke- I'm currently look in germany/switzerland/austria
[12:42:22] * Darke is not going to give any hints as to what the overs.. word is either. <grin>
[12:43:11] <Darke> Wumpus: I'm tempted for .de if just to force me to learn German again, since I haven't spoken it for years.
[12:43:32] <Wumpus> hehe :) we speak german at home
[12:43:59] <Wumpus> one problem may be though, that they have military service, and its not clear (yet) how that effects me (being a German Citizen and all)
[12:44:59] <Darke> Lucky. No languages other then english at my house, despite the fact I know bits of German, French, Italian, Indonesian, Japanese, and Spanish. I moved around to too many different schools in my youth.
[12:45:32] <Wumpus> hehe :-)
[12:46:07] * Darke nods at the Mil Service, you'll certainly need to find out about that. "Tried the german consulate (or whatever)?"
[12:46:21] <Wumpus> I have all sorts of people I can find out from
[12:46:44] <Wumpus> i'm only just now starting to get my act together and actually look at job websties etc :)
[12:48:47] <Darke> <nod> My main problem at the moment, is that I've got contracts coming up in the next couple of months, but centerlink is continually harassing me about job related beurocrazy. Not to mention their forms are completely pointless when I submit most of my resume's by email.
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[12:49:33] <Colourless> didn't crash ! yay!
[13:03:53] * Darke is vaguely impressed, Colourless is still here.
[13:08:57] <Wumpus> anyone feel like commiing this new debian subdirectory? :)
[13:09:15] <Wumpus> finally got it working, only, what, 4 hours after i said i'd be done in half an hour :)
[13:09:24] <Wumpus> s/working/doing exactly what i wanted/
[13:12:02] <Wumpus> nobody here anymore? d'oh
[13:12:59] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i'm here
[13:13:12] <Wumpus> yeah but you can't write to CVS can you? :P
[13:14:21] <Wumpus> so you count as nobody ;-p
[13:15:36] <Soul|NOTLOVE> oh
[13:15:38] <Soul|NOTLOVE> thanks
[13:16:25] * Darke is here just rather idle.
[13:17:00] * wjp is sort-of-kind-of here too
[13:17:18] * Wumpus just came back, hehe
[13:17:24] * Darke is going to be sort of not here for a while now.
[13:17:29] <Colourless> i'm here, i just don't say much
[13:17:32] <Darke> s/now/again/
[13:18:33] <Wumpus> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~michaelz/files/exult/exult_debian.tar.bz2 <-- this is *exactly* what the debian subdirectory `should' look like... there are a number of new files, and README.Debian has been removed
[13:19:03] <Colourless> time to restart into xp
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[13:19:19] * wjp will commit it
[13:19:27] <Wumpus> okay cool, thanks muchly :)
[13:19:36] * wjp wonders if he can reach the server this time
[13:19:49] <wjp> timeout... yay :-(
[13:20:09] <wjp> Wumpus: 403
[13:20:13] * Wumpus has no idea why that hhappends?
[13:20:16] <Wumpus> huh really? d'oh
[13:20:18] <Wumpus> thought i just tried it
[13:20:29] <wjp> routing problem over at optus somewhere
[13:20:38] <wjp> they seem to be missing the route back to me
[13:20:40] <Wumpus> well yeah, but you'd think they'd fix it
[13:20:42] <Soul|NOTLOVE> ok
[13:20:46] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i'm trying to decide
[13:20:58] <Soul|NOTLOVE> the 8gb drive that is in the server machine will go either to this machine or minime
[13:21:05] <Soul|NOTLOVE> minime is 96mb ram, 75mhz pentium
[13:21:07] <Wumpus> permissions fixed, sorry :P I went in to fix it earlier and got distracted checking that it held the right files :)
[13:21:12] <Soul|NOTLOVE> this machine is 100mhz 486, 64mb ra
[13:21:13] <Soul|NOTLOVE> ram *
[13:21:46] <Wumpus> bah, you don't need exult, you can play the real thing :P
[13:22:00] <Soul|NOTLOVE> poo
[13:22:57] <sbx-tv> im sort-of-kind-of here too
[13:23:00] <sbx-tv> oops too late
[13:23:38] <Wumpus> hm there's a way of getting the lurkers to speak... claim they aren't here :)
[13:24:14] * Wumpus decides he must at least get a small SI fix today and goes to get his spell book from defabiblio
[13:25:32] <Soul|NOTLOVE> either today or tomorrow the entire soulnet empire will go down for 3-8 hours
[13:28:49] * wjp commits...
[13:29:18] <Wumpus> argh, stupid damn SI copy protection questions
[13:29:24] <Wumpus> too many of them involve counting annoying things
[13:29:32] <Wumpus> wjp- thanks :)
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[13:31:07] <sbx-tv> Soul|NOTLOVE: you have an empire?
[13:31:34] <sbx-tv> cool
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[13:34:47] <Colourless> :-)
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[13:39:26] <Wumpus> hehe my key bag is full :|
[13:42:13] <sbx-tv> you can just leave keys by the doors they go to
[13:43:01] <Wumpus> yeah, but then i'd have to go and collect them again
[13:43:06] <Wumpus> i have the magic keyring
[13:43:13] <Wumpus> but i want to make a screenie of all the keys, at the end of the game :)
[13:43:26] <sbx-tv> OoOoOoh It's Magic!
[13:43:28] <sbx-tv> oh
[13:43:28] <sbx-tv> hehe
[13:43:41] <sbx-tv> let us see when you do :-)
[13:43:57] <Wumpus> it'll be some time yet, i think
[13:44:09] <Wumpus> i'm playing fairly slowly, and i havent' yet got to the bit that i've never played :P
[13:44:24] <Wumpus> or the bit that i've forgotten (IE anythign past the Gorlab Swamp)
[13:44:26] * wjp|afk hopes Wumpus knows about Alt-K in SI
[13:45:04] <Wumpus> Alt-K ? mmm no? is that the same as the new k in BG?
[13:45:08] <wjp|afk> yeah
[13:45:19] <Wumpus> phwoah cool :) thanks
[13:45:34] * Wumpus didn't re-read the docs on starting SI :P
[13:45:35] * wjp|afk goes back to being afk
[13:45:48] <Wumpus> just went "owww, k doesn't work anymore without the keyrinjg :|" ;-p
[13:46:11] <sbx-tv> would alt-k be a cheat?
[13:46:30] <Soul|NOTLOVE> there's nothing wrong with wanting to be loved
[13:48:17] <sbx-tv> eh
[13:48:30] <sbx-tv> :-)
[13:49:12] <Darke> sbx-tv: Umm... you do know the best responce to surreality is to reply in kind? <grin>
[13:52:19] <Wumpus> okay, i'll get a real SI fix tomorrow :)
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[13:52:26] * Wumpus looks at the things he didn't do today :-(
[13:52:33] <Wumpus> (IE job hunting, emailing people)
[13:52:39] <Wumpus> oh well
[13:52:47] <Wumpus> g'night all
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[13:54:22] <sbx-tv> heh Darke
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[13:55:44] <Dominus> hi
[13:56:15] <Darke> Hi Dominus.
[13:56:44] <sbx-tv> Hi Dominus.
[13:57:17] <Dominus> actually I have some questions: is expack -i still an option on non Win32 systems?
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[13:59:42] <sbx-tv> Dominus: Read the FAQ!
[13:59:57] <Dominus> :-(
[14:00:04] <Dominus> it's not in there
[14:00:08] <sbx-tv> Dominus: Update the FAQ!
[14:00:14] <Dominus> aargh
[14:00:30] <sbx-tv> :-)
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[14:00:41] <Dominus> seriously a friend on some unix system has problems with it and says it is not working as intended
[14:01:01] <Dominus> hi Colourless
[14:01:08] <Dominus> still gliding?
[14:01:11] <Colourless> yeah
[14:01:26] <Dominus> how is it on xp now?
[14:01:28] * Darke thinks Colourless is bouncing more then gliding...
[14:01:33] * Colourless is 99% sure he has worked around the alt-tab crash
[14:01:49] * Dominus dances around
[14:03:40] * Dominus inncocently offers to have his OS crash as well for testing purposes
[14:03:54] <sbx-tv> Dominus: yes -i works
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[14:04:09] <sbx-tv> (for me)
[14:04:15] <sbx-tv> i just tried it
[14:05:06] <Dominus> sbx-tv: and it asks for just one file, right?
[14:05:12] <Dominus> script
[14:05:15] <Dominus> I mean
[14:05:54] <sbx-tv> yes
[14:06:08] <sbx-tv> expack -i list
[14:06:13] <Dominus> well, that settles it then. What OS are you on?
[14:06:53] <sbx-tv> slackware 7.1 w/kernel 2.4.4
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[14:07:18] <Colourless> ah for crying out loud. what is wrong with my connection
[14:08:00] <wjp|afk> Dominus: we use expack -i to create the .flx files in the makefiles
[14:08:22] <wjp|afk> Dominus: so it's even the 'main' way expack is used on unix-like systems
[14:08:47] <Dominus> wjp|afk: haven'T thought of this, but it's very obvious
[14:10:01] <Dominus> wjp|afk: only problem I have (or better don't have) is that expack chockes on unix systems or even MacOS when the script has Dos/windows linebreaks
[14:10:28] * Dominus noticed this when people reported problems building his wavepack
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[14:11:42] <Dominus> Bouncy Dragon is back again
[14:12:50] <wjp|afk> Colourless: you could try connecting to au.openprojects.net (if you don't do that already)
[14:16:32] <Darke> Dominus: Rewrite the 'line reader' in expack to test if it's getting a \r\n (IIRC, can't remember) or a \n and handle it? ... which looks to be in U7FileManager.
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[14:18:47] <Dominus> Darke: me rewriting expack? The problem is that I don't get a problem as expack on Win32 is much more forgiving and doesn't mind the linebreak as long as it is there. Only people on other systems get the problem
[14:19:04] <Dominus> with Win32 scripts
[14:19:05] <Colourless> thanks wjp
[14:21:08] <Colourless> fixing expack shouldn't be difficult
[14:21:21] * Darke was actually considering doing it, it _should_ be just a quick change from a 'getline' (fgets?) call to something that tests the end of each 'line' when it encounters a CRLF or a LF (IIRC) value.
[14:21:55] <Colourless> yeah, i've written many of those types of functions
[14:22:19] <Dominus> Darke, also what I meant with "me rewriting expack" wouldn't render good results :-)
[14:22:42] * Darke has too, mainly from the other way around to convert unix->dos. It's been _years_ though.
[14:22:48] * Darke grins at Dominus.
[14:23:39] <Darke> Dominus: I'm sure your code would have a few more comments though. <grin>
[14:24:09] <Dominus> he he
[14:24:28] <Dominus> and nobody could build exult anymore with this version then :-)
[14:27:02] <Darke> Dominus: Then you throw some coders at it to fix it. <grin>
[14:27:20] * Dominus nods
[14:27:26] <Dominus> that's what I do normally
[14:27:29] <Dominus> :-)
[14:28:19] <Darke> Dominus: Well, it's similar to the way most of the 'commercial' software in the world is made. <grin> So it must work...
[14:33:36] * Darke yayfluffs, job websites, can I think of anything I'd rather be doing at the moment? Removing my tonsils with a blunt spoon sounds fun!
[14:37:26] <Darke> <grin> This one sounds interesting, pity I don't know Solaris well enough: System Administrator: We are seeking a highly motivated team player to join our cutting edge adult internet company.
[14:38:02] <Dominus> :-)
[14:39:23] * Darke has seen half a dozen of those 'adult internet company' admin jobs in the past few months, he applied to one which asked for linux experience.
[14:39:43] <Dominus> and?
[14:41:09] <Darke> Didn't hear anything interesting back, I send it to a consulting company with was handling it for them. Whilst I would have sent it to them anyway, since I actually did meet the minimum requirements, it would be interesting trying to explaing who you work for to most people.
[14:42:02] <Dominus> :-)
[14:47:10] <Darke> I suppose it's not that much different from those people who work in or run 'adult shops', but you can imagine the questions, especially if you leave that job and try for your next one. "What did you do in your last job?" "I designed and coded a website and database backend under linux+apache+mysql." "What was the database for?" "Umm... err... hmm... It's... err... highly confidential."
[14:48:06] <Dominus> be proud of your job, say "well, it was porn!" :-)
[14:48:43] * Darke giggles.
[14:52:54] <Darke> "It was for umm... a professional photographic database." "But this company is called AdultWeb?" "Err... an _adult_ photographic database, err that's it. Pictures of gruesome war scenes and car crashes that shouldn't be shown to children and the like, for journalists and stuff.\"
[14:53:44] <Dominus> :-)
[14:56:19] * Darke wonders if anyone else is awake around here, or if time is just moving ever-so-slowly as he searches for jobs.
[14:56:24] <Dominus> what's up with SF? their downloads are not resumable nowadays...
[14:56:45] <Dominus> I actually mean our releases and all other eleases on SF
[15:00:43] * Darke doesn't know, he hadn't actually noticed.
[15:01:18] <Dominus> I noticed last night and also someone on the forum posted he had problems downloading it
[15:03:42] <sbx-tv> i am awake
[15:04:05] <Dominus> good for you
[15:04:09] <Dominus> :-)
[15:04:22] <sbx-tv> and time is moving ever-so-slowly for Darke
[15:04:58] <Dominus> which reminds me
[15:05:12] <Dominus> Soul|NOTLOVE: can I bother you again?
[15:06:06] * Darke makes a mental note to use an exclusive or next time... unfortunately inclusive is correct.
[15:06:17] <Darke> Dominus: "<whine> Are we there yet?"
[15:06:53] <Dominus> Are we there yet?
[15:07:35] * Darke is impressed at the sizable collection of dust and hair under his keyboard as he searches for a pen.
[15:07:51] <Dominus> uargh
[15:08:20] * Darke looks weirdly at Dominus.
[15:12:03] * sbx-tv wonders if the channel is going anywhere.
[15:12:35] * sbx-tv wonders if we are there yet.
[15:14:55] * Darke wonders where we are.
[15:15:19] * Dominus lost the sense of direction now
[15:15:47] * Darke lost his sense of reality years ago.
[15:16:31] <Dominus> Reality Inc. - we provide you with as much reality as you need
[15:17:40] <Colourless> grrr, windowed opengl was working... why isn't it working now!
[15:17:45] <Darke> Dominus: 'reality' little 'r' not 'Reality' big 'R'. I don't have much use for Reality(r) thanks.
[15:18:08] * sbx-tv looks out the window.
[15:18:20] <Dominus> Colourless: because you broke it?
[15:18:24] <wjp|afk> well, Dominus did say he'd provide "reality", not "Reality"
[15:18:34] * Dominus has his shutters closed
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[15:18:44] <sbx-tv> i looked out the #exult window
[15:18:49] * Darke thinks he agrees with Dominus about Colourless.
[15:18:49] * wjp thinks it's way too dark outside
[15:18:53] <Dominus> the company's name can't be in lower case
[15:18:58] <sbx-tv> but i have no followup because i can not imagine what would be outside #exult's window
[15:19:12] * wjp doubts he's going to see anything remotely resembling sunlight today
[15:19:23] <Darke> Dominus: Why not? You have eMachines?
[15:19:25] <Dominus> sunlight, what is that?
[15:19:41] <wjp> Dominus: that's the stuff that hurts your eyes when you accidently step outside
[15:19:51] <sbx-tv> Dominus: hehe your character on the island goes to bed at 9
[15:19:53] * Darke is going to be required to see sunlight. He needs to be up again in just over 6 hours.
[15:20:36] <Dominus> Jeff has done some weird stuff with the Dominik character on the island (he sleeps on the floor)
[15:20:50] <wjp> yes... no bed :-)
[15:21:07] <sbx-tv> he sleeps 12 hours
[15:21:21] <sbx-tv> much like myself :P
[15:21:39] * Dominus wonders how Jeff could have known
[15:22:07] * Dominus has to shower now
[15:22:20] <sbx-tv> ok
[15:22:26] <Dominus> wjp: btw, I'm going to see a dutch Punk band tonight
[15:22:31] <Dominus> Bambix
[15:22:38] <wjp> never heard of 'em :-)
[15:22:46] <Dominus> they are good!
[15:23:00] <wjp> hmm, I think that Bambix is some sort of oatmeal (sp?) porridge for children, though
[15:23:25] <Dominus> NO, they are a punk band!!!
[15:23:26] <Dominus> :-)
[15:24:00] <wjp> are you sure? ;-)
[15:24:17] <Dominus> hm, I have two CDs of them here
[15:24:23] * Darke thinks 'cute' when he hears the name 'Bambix'.
[15:24:40] <sbx-tv> what the...
[15:24:50] <sbx-tv> ...is every new television show about fighting robots?
[15:25:10] <Darke> A disney distro of linux for kids with Bambi as it's icon?
[15:25:21] <Dominus> wjp: judging by the url bambix.nl you might be right though
[15:25:35] <sbx-tv> Disnix
[15:25:42] <sbx-tv> would be more appropriate then
[15:25:56] <Dominus> but bambix.com gives you the right result
[15:26:02] <wjp> *grin*... the Nutricia childrens' nutrition site
[15:26:11] <sbx-tv> LooneyLinux
[15:26:44] <sbx-tv> Toonix
[15:26:46] <sbx-tv> and so on
[15:27:01] <Darke> sbx-tv: Enough of them around already. Wander past the linux advocacy newsgroups for a sampling.
[15:27:11] <sbx-tv> haha
[15:27:39] <sbx-tv> ive got enough to worry about, what with television being so crappy
[15:28:08] <sbx-tv> new show on TLC -> "Robotica"
[15:28:09] <Dominus> Bambix mp3 at http://www.crucial-scum.de/bambix/mp3/Spade.mp3
[15:28:22] <sbx-tv> Crucial Scum?
[15:28:24] <wjp> crucial scum? sounds nice
[15:28:32] <sbx-tv> hehe
[15:29:20] <Darke> sbx-tv: I didn't know there was anything other then 'crappy' tv.
[15:29:29] <Darke> Except sbx-tv of course.
[15:29:33] <Dominus> or http://www.crucial-scum.de/bambix/andre.mp3
[15:29:46] <Dominus> all just samples :-)
[15:29:48] <sbx-tv> Darke: of course
[15:30:19] * sbx-tv will continue to advertise Darke's Adult Internet Company with TV ads on his network thanks to that exception.
[15:31:43] * Darke giggles and thinks that, that is entirely appropriate and says more about this character's 'background' then you would care to know. <fangygrin>
[15:32:29] * Darke however, must go now. "Night all."
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[15:39:36] <sbx-tv> matto!!
[15:40:53] <matto> sbx-tv!!!@!!
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[16:35:17] <Dominus|afk> anyone know why the readme.linux disappeared from CVS?
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[16:38:46] <Nadir> hi
[16:38:53] <Dominus|afk> hi
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[16:39:46] * Nadir is parallel making Exult on a dual-CPU Solaris box
[16:41:07] <s|b|x> hi Nadir
[16:41:21] <Colourless> hi
[16:44:11] <Soul|NOTLOVE> oooohhh...
[16:44:13] <Soul|NOTLOVE> owwwww....
[16:44:20] <Dominus> ?
[16:44:29] <Soul|NOTLOVE> uuugh
[16:44:44] <Dominus> Soul|NOTLOVE: what'S up with you?
[16:44:50] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i feel like absolute shit
[16:44:59] <Dominus> why is that?
[16:45:01] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i haven't eaten in 2 days and i've been sleeping about 18 hours a day
[16:45:26] <Dominus> ah, that is a good way to destroy your body :-)
[16:45:32] <Soul|NOTLOVE> not really
[16:45:35] <Dominus> are in your winter sleep?
[16:45:39] <Soul|NOTLOVE> no
[16:45:50] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i was depressed for the first time in... uhhh... like ever
[16:46:18] <Soul|NOTLOVE> and now i just feel sick
[16:47:05] <Dominus> :-(
[16:47:23] <Soul|NOTLOVE> and lisa and i are... fighting
[16:47:31] <Soul|NOTLOVE> and i lost my job
[16:47:34] <Soul|NOTLOVE> twice!
[16:47:52] <Dominus> Nadir, what happened to the Dos port of Exult? (just wondering when I looked at Attic to find out where readme.linux went)
[16:48:04] <Nadir> Dos port ?
[16:48:05] <Dominus> Soul|NOTLOVE: you have my sympathies
[16:48:11] <Soul|NOTLOVE> nah i'll be fnie
[16:48:12] <Soul|NOTLOVE> fine *
[16:48:13] <Nadir> that was ages ago
[16:48:41] <Dominus> Nadir: exactly :-) Exult now has been ported to MSDOS, and an MSDOS executable has been added
[16:48:41] <Dominus> to the release.
[16:48:41] <Dominus>
[16:48:41] <Dominus> Compilation is done using the same source and "makefile" as the Linux version,
[16:48:41] <Dominus> using the DJGPP cross-compiler under Linux.
[16:48:49] <Nadir> It was killed with the move to SDL
[16:48:55] <Dominus> ah
[16:49:39] <s|b|x> MSDOS users can just play Ultima7 :-)
[16:49:49] * Dominus never knew it was ported to Dos as well
[16:50:29] <Nadir> it can be revived.
[16:50:54] <Dominus> oh, and Nadir, what became of your correspondence with the Amiga Porter? The tuff on the mailing list isn't quite informative
[16:51:05] <Dominus> no need to revive the dos port, I think
[16:51:14] <Nadir> We'd need to port SDL to Allegro, and forget about threads
[16:51:23] <Nadir> It ended there
[16:51:29] <Nadir> (re: Amiga port)
[16:51:44] <Nadir> Basically we are waiting for patches against CVS
[16:52:01] <s|b|x> he didnt respond in email?
[16:52:18] <Nadir> only to the ml
[16:52:31] <Dominus> still the ml is missing his initial response. There is only your resposne to his response :-)
[16:52:35] <s|b|x> hmm it didnt go to the ml (i only saw replies)... but i mean after that
[16:52:58] <Dominus> so, the problem is with CVS?
[16:53:14] <s|b|x> maybe he will include the gui config tool
[16:53:26] <Nadir> no. We are waiting for him to provide us with a diff built against a current CVS tree
[16:53:46] <Dominus> ah, ok
[16:54:07] <Nadir> s|b|x: maybe, but I bet it's built for Intuition (or whatever the Amiga GUI is called)
[16:54:14] <Soul|NOTLOVE> FREEDOM! HORRIBLE HORRIBLE FREEDOM!!!
[16:54:19] <s|b|x> Nadir: yes
[16:54:25] * Dominus would really like to have the port to Amiga in the CVS (just loking good in there)
[16:54:25] <s|b|x> Soul|NOTLOVE: yes
[16:56:15] * Nadir just got Exult to compile on Solaris 8 on a dual Sparc 420
[16:56:20] <s|b|x> yay
[16:56:34] <Dominus> cool, and is it working?
[16:56:35] <Nadir> using "make -j 3"
[16:56:48] <s|b|x> hehe
[16:57:34] <Nadir> unfortunately that particular 420 is in our DMZ, so X11 cannot see machines on the intranet
[16:58:04] <Nadir> I could run it in Xvfb, but then I wouldn't see much
[16:59:31] <s|b|x> do not do this 'ls -w 50000'
[17:00:00] <Nadir> what does that do ?
[17:00:09] <Soul|NOTLOVE> oh gross
[17:00:09] <Soul|NOTLOVE> i tried to eat a single bite and i almost puke
[17:00:09] <Soul|NOTLOVE> this is felite
[17:00:28] <s|b|x> Nadir: slows down my slow computer to a halt heh
[17:00:50] <Dominus> Soul|NOTLOVE: you should start eating with liquid food (like a soup)
[17:01:04] <s|b|x> intravenous
[17:01:10] <Soul|NOTLOVE> you're pry right, but i don't have any
[17:01:26] <Nadir> ucxt won't compile under Solaris
[17:01:27] <s|b|x> ask the hospital for some
[17:04:14] <s|b|x> Nadir: is Solaris slow?
[17:04:37] <s|b|x> Wumpus called it Slowaris :-)
[17:05:36] <Nadir> wumpus is stupid
[17:06:05] <Nadir> Solaris is slow on x86. It screams on UltraSparc
[17:06:16] <s|b|x> i think he was joking, but i guess by that you mean "No s|b|x, it is not slow"
[17:06:20] <s|b|x> i see
[17:07:40] <Nadir> otherwise people wouldn't be spending large amounts of money on Sun boxes. Especially those nifty Starfires
[17:10:21] <Nadir> http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire15k/
[17:10:39] <Nadir> * Up to 106 UltraSPARC[tm] III Cu 900-MHz processors.
[17:10:39] <Nadir> * Big memory - more than 1/2 TB.
[17:10:57] <Nadir> * Up to 18 fifth-generation Dynamic System Domains, which are fully configurable while applications are running.
[17:10:57] <Nadir> * Hot-swappable Uniboard design CPU/memory boards that are common across Sun Fire server family.
[17:10:57] <Nadir> * Redundant, high-performance Sun[tm] Fireplane Interconnect with up to 172.8 GBps peak bandwidth.
[17:10:57] <Nadir> * Full redundancy of power and cooling systems.
[17:14:06] <Nadir> bye
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[17:14:31] <s|b|x> :-|
[17:17:44] <Colourless> restarting
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[17:30:46] * wjp|afk notices Nadir included string.h. Shouldn't that be cstring?
[17:31:04] <Colourless> yeah
[17:32:46] <wjp|afk> isn't today the 12th?
[17:32:56] <Colourless> yeah it is
[17:33:02] * wjp|afk fixes date on changelog entry
[17:35:44] <s|b|x> ?date
[17:35:44] <exultbot> It is now Wed Dec 12 17:35:44 2001 (GMT).
[17:35:53] * s|b|x has to go to sleep but will idle here.
[17:35:59] <wjp|afk> g'nigth
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[17:36:03] <wjp|afk> s/th/ht/
[17:36:23] <Colourless> cya
[17:36:24] <sbx|sleep> cya
[17:43:30] <Soul|NOTLOVE> I will never feed off the evergreen luster of your heart al lbecause we all live in the valley of the walls when we speak we can peak from the windows of their mouths to see the land the women chant as they fly up to the sun.
[17:44:27] <Soul|NOTLOVE> Books all say different things while people flap their yellow wings trying to soar by being a whore of life and almost everything the sheep that ran off from the herd may be dead but now's a bird able to fly able to die able to break your cursed earth
[17:45:38] <Soul|NOTLOVE> Life threatening lifestyles: A hitman, a nun, lovers
[17:58:27] <Colourless> hmm, lets see, on the 10th OpenGL worked, on the 11th it didn't. What the hell did I do to break it???? Or more specifically, what did I do to get it to work. Seems that opengl wont even work with unmodified sources
[17:59:10] * wjp|afk thinks Colourless should use a VCS :-)
[17:59:25] <Dominus> even a cvs
[17:59:29] <wjp|afk> no, vcs
[17:59:39] <Dominus> hm, okay
[17:59:42] <wjp|afk> cvs is a specific vcs
[17:59:54] <wjp|afk> (cvs = concurrent version(ing?) system, vcs = version control system)
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[18:00:16] <Dominus> maybe you used those hacked glides from x3dfx?
[18:00:33] <Dominus> bbl
[18:00:43] <Colourless> na, i've got the dll here that works
[18:00:56] <Colourless> it's one of mine :-)
[18:22:50] <Dominus> b
[18:23:03] <Dominus> so you found the one that works now?
[18:28:33] <Colourless> yeah I have one that works from December 10th 4:09 am
[18:29:17] <Colourless> I have one from December 11th 5:11 am and it doesn't work
[18:29:31] <Dominus> :-) always remember that system fall back dir somewhere in System32 where it keeps those old drivers
[18:29:36] <Colourless> so, in the space of 24 hours I killed windowed opengl
[18:30:04] <Dominus> on XP and not W9x I guess?
[18:30:12] <Colourless> all
[18:30:33] <Dominus> he he, but instead you got Alt-tabbing to work
[18:30:40] <Colourless> yeah
[18:31:39] <Colourless> it would be nice if the problems were just because of the alt-tabbing code, but that isn't the case. Win9x doesn't use the WinXP alt-tab handling code
[18:31:54] <Colourless> plus I can disable the code entirely and there are still problems
[18:34:11] <Dominus> hmm, seems to get more complicated
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[20:35:42] <wjp|afk> hi
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[22:04:39] <Fingolfin> hm, can anybody access http://www.input-entertainment.de/laser/ ?
[22:04:42] <Fingolfin> I get redirected to localhos/laser
[22:04:47] <Fingolfin> localhost even
[22:05:24] <wjp> *sniff*
[22:05:25] <wjp> me too :-(
[22:06:00] <Fingolfin> life is cruel
[22:06:08] <wjp> oh, www.localhost.com, btw
[22:07:02] <Fingolfin> front page is screwed, too
[22:07:07] * wjp nods
[22:07:14] <wjp> I get something there, but not much
[22:09:25] <wjp> http://www.input-entertainment.de/laser/laser.html <-- what do you get there?
[22:09:39] <wjp> (that's the link to that game from the frontpage, which suddenly decided to load after all)
[22:10:18] <wjp> strange
[22:10:37] <wjp> why does netscape redirect to www.localhost.com?
[22:13:16] <Fingolfin> it auto-adds the www and .com parts I think
[22:13:25] <wjp> silly thing :-)
[22:13:28] <Fingolfin> and that link goes to http://localhost/laser/laser.html for me
[22:13:41] <wjp> yes, for me too, on second glance
[22:14:20] <wjp> must've been a cached page here, since I did see the page, but the flash 'applet' didn't load
[22:14:39] <wjp> *sigh*... I wonder why they killed it :-(
[22:18:05] <wjp> maybe we should try to implement it in usecode ;-)
[22:18:24] <wjp> would make a nice subquest on our island :-)
[22:24:34] <Fingolfin> lol
[22:24:39] <Fingolfin> but actually, this is an old game
[22:24:53] <Fingolfin> I remeber playing something very close to it on my Atari ST
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