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[01:03:00] <Zxcvb> is ultima 8 going to be part of exult?
[01:03:16] <Zxcvb> or will it be a seperate interpreter
[01:03:57] <Dominus> see the FAQ of Exult and see pentagram.sf.net
[01:05:16] <Zxcvb> it's just that i heard the usecode interpreter for ultima 8 had been mostly written
[01:05:38] <Dominus> as I said pentagram.sf.net
[01:06:08] <Dominus> and the channel is #pentagram, even though there are mostly the same people over there
[01:06:36] <Zxcvb> it's still in the planning stages
[01:07:15] <Dominus> yes
[01:07:17] <Dominus> of course
[01:07:32] <Dominus> but as you read that usecode interpreter is almost done
[01:07:55] <Zxcvb> so there is much more to pentagram than just a usecode interpreter?
[01:09:02] <Dominus> quote:Pentagram is a project aiming to create an Ultima 8 engine
[01:10:12] <Zxcvb> what else is there to an engine than the interpreter?
[01:11:21] <Dominus> a lot
[01:14:18] <Zxcvb> shouldn't it go to pre-alpha, since there is actually code?
[01:15:00] <Dominus> well it is pre-alpha
[01:15:43] <Dominus> but no one has changed the status yet
[01:15:47] <Zxcvb> could exult code be resued for the other engine parts?
[01:16:21] <Dominus> it will be reused in parts
[01:16:46] <Zxcvb> aside from usecode, how close is u8 to u7
[01:17:27] <Dominus> what do you mean?
[01:17:39] <Zxcvb> i mean in terms of the engine needed
[01:20:31] <Dominus> for once the map of u8 is not in one piece
[01:25:53] <Zxcvb> so each area is seperate?
[01:26:07] <Zxcvb> sounds worse tha u6
[01:26:31] <Zxcvb> any idea what makes u8 not compatible with windows, and why a fairly easy patch fixes it?
[01:27:08] <Dominus> no idea why it isn't compatible (something to do with memory management)
[01:27:41] <Dominus> it was easy to fix because the exe was not "stripped" of its debugging symbols
[01:27:46] <Zxcvb> it's not 32 bit real mode
[01:28:04] <Zxcvb> as the u8 in windows is a patch, not a VxD and program loader
[01:28:21] <Zxcvb> so ultima 8 still uses unreal mode?
[01:28:32] <Dominus> no idea
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[02:12:20] <kuran> are you people working on U8 emulation?
[02:12:24] <kuran> I see it mentioned quite a lot
[02:12:53] <Zxcvb> pentagram
[02:13:00] <Zxcvb> the usecode interpreter is almost done
[02:13:06] <kuran> nice
[02:13:10] <kuran> looking forward to it
[02:13:23] <Zxcvb> how about ultima 9?
[02:13:32] <Zxcvb> an interpreter that doesn't leak like a sieve
[02:14:00] <kuran> heh would that be possible?
[02:15:17] <kuran> now you got me dreaming about playing Ultima Online natively in osx
[02:16:12] <Zxcvb> ultima 9 has a static/ and runtime/ directory
[02:16:20] <Zxcvb> so i assume it uses some kind of VM
[02:16:33] <Zxcvb> you use exult?
[02:19:39] <kuran> yes
[02:20:19] <Zxcvb> I have it on my zaurus
[02:20:22] <Zxcvb> works nicely
[02:20:44] <kuran> but I'm just a fan :)
[02:20:44] <kuran> I know nothing of coding so;
[02:20:56] <Zxcvb> i know a little
[02:21:05] <Zxcvb> enough to hack xpdf to ignore all restrictions
[02:21:13] <Zxcvb> and that 32 bit real mode sucks
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[04:37:58] <JoeX> hola all
[04:38:00] <JoeX> anyone home?
[04:38:51] <Zxcvb> yeah
[04:38:58] <JoeX> exult problems ;(
[04:39:07] <Zxcvb> what problems
[04:39:09] <Zxcvb> and what platform
[04:39:30] <JoeX> Gentoo 1.4rc2
[04:39:36] <JoeX> x86
[04:39:39] <JoeX> is_installed: './static/sispeech.spc' : no
[04:39:39] <JoeX> Skin is: 3 Sex is: 0
[04:39:39] <JoeX> Creating 'gamedat' files.
[04:39:39] <JoeX> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[04:39:58] <Zxcvb> when does this happen?
[04:40:07] <JoeX> Game starts, lets me create a name, I click journey onward, the moongate screen pops up, then it dumps me to shell
[04:41:25] <Zxcvb> serpent isle?
[04:41:48] <JoeX> black gate
[04:41:50] <JoeX> with addon i think
[04:41:55] <JoeX> forge of virtue
[04:41:56] <Zxcvb> to start the game, do you click on new game, or journey onward
[04:42:03] <JoeX> journey onward
[04:42:11] <Zxcvb> to start a new game, click on neew game
[04:42:16] <JoeX> sorry
[04:42:20] <JoeX> start new game i did
[04:42:25] <Zxcvb> only click on journey onward to restore a saved game
[04:42:42] <JoeX> this is intresting
[04:42:51] <JoeX> i straced it and the last open is this:
[04:42:52] <JoeX> open("./STATIC/USECODE", O_RDONLY) = 17
[04:43:08] <JoeX> and i see some of this:
[04:43:09] <JoeX> read(17, "\226\0\242\0]\0@The sails must be furled "..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:09] <JoeX> _llseek(17, 8192, [8192], SEEK_SET) = 0
[04:43:09] <JoeX> read(17, " then Mondain forced all of the "..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:09] <JoeX> read(17, "ave.\" The daemon lets out a chil"..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:18] <JoeX> read(17, "\0\1\5\16\0>9\\\0\1\35\0\0$\0\0\6\4\0>G(\6H\37\10\0\"\5"..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:18] <JoeX> read(17, "\37J\0\"\5\31\0\35c\3\35m\3\35p\3\35v\3\36\4\0\0371\000"..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:18] <JoeX> read(17, "ouldst know that I am made immor"..., 8192) = 8192
[04:43:18] <JoeX> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
[04:43:23] <Zxcvb> usecode is a virtual machine bytecode, like java
[04:43:35] <Zxcvb> it is probably trying to restore a saved game
[04:43:42] <JoeX> this is a fresh copy
[04:43:53] <JoeX> I said journey onward, but I meant I click it after I clicked start new game
[04:44:02] <JoeX> when you createa new character, you click journey onward too
[04:44:15] <Zxcvb> oh, journey onward on the create new character screen
[04:44:19] <Zxcvb> i don't have that problem
[04:44:21] <JoeX> yeah
[04:44:27] <Zxcvb> using 1.1.x for the zaurus myself
[04:44:30] <JoeX> haha
[04:44:31] <JoeX> cool
[04:44:41] <JoeX> If I had alot of money i'd buy a zaurus :)
[04:44:48] <JoeX> it must be cool to play u7 on it
[04:44:54] <Zxcvb> going to be nice on that airplane flight a week from this saturday
[04:44:58] <JoeX> oh yeah
[04:45:00] <Zxcvb> it's only $300
[04:45:00] <JoeX> sweet ;)
[04:45:05] <JoeX> yeah, too much for me
[04:45:10] <JoeX> i havea palm and i never use it
[04:45:16] <JoeX> I can't really justify getting one
[04:45:22] <Zxcvb> plus $100 for a modem, plus $100 for a 256MB CF, plus $35 for a 32MB MMC card
[04:46:05] <JoeX> what ultima do you have?
[04:46:26] <JoeX> I have the 'classics' deal where you both ultimas with the addons
[04:46:31] <JoeX> I've had it for years
[04:46:42] <JoeX> I also have the original U7 and U7si boxes from when I had it on floppies
[04:47:48] <JoeX> man
[04:48:04] <JoeX> i'm getting a segfault on my other computer. Redhat 8, exult installed from rpms
[04:48:14] <JoeX> i wonder if it doesn't like my nfs mounted home..
[04:48:41] <Zxcvb> i have ultima underworld 1 and 2
[04:48:52] <Zxcvb> i have the complete ultima 7 with u7 and si and addons
[04:48:56] <Zxcvb> and i have ultima collection
[04:49:00] <Zxcvb> ultima 0 through ultima 8
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[04:53:04] <JoeX> fullscreen lockup :(
[04:53:12] <Zxcvb> ack
[04:53:12] <JoeX> I think i have a problem with my copy of ultima
[04:53:17] <Zxcvb> hope you use a journalling filesystem
[04:53:19] <JoeX> well, not lockup
[04:53:24] <Zxcvb> do you have the complete ultima 7?
[04:53:26] <JoeX> i sshed in and rebootee
[04:53:27] <JoeX> yes
[04:53:31] <Zxcvb> use that one
[04:53:33] <JoeX> I have the classics edition
[04:53:42] <Zxcvb> i believe that one has the latest patches
[04:53:46] <JoeX> they have fov and si addons on there
[04:53:49] <Zxcvb> if not, get the latest patches
[04:53:53] <JoeX> i'm going to try SI, haven't yet
[04:53:56] <Zxcvb> use ctrl-v to get the version
[04:54:32] <JoeX> the games are zipped on the cdrom
[04:54:41] <JoeX> leme check version
[04:55:57] <JoeX> ahh, si works
[04:56:09] <JoeX> no sound, gotta get that going
[04:56:13] <Zxcvb> try bg again
[04:56:26] <Zxcvb> and what exult?
[04:56:33] <JoeX> oh, exult is 1.0
[04:56:52] <JoeX> dah
[04:57:01] <JoeX> all ineed is the static directory right?
[04:58:04] <JoeX> ther must be somethign funky with my usecode
[04:58:26] <JoeX> i've unzipped it twice, and even tried a totally different OS/computer
[04:58:52] <JoeX> i wanted to play bg
[04:58:53] <JoeX> doh
[04:58:58] <JoeX> i was considering replaying htem
[04:59:36] <Zxcvb> try 1.1.x
[04:59:46] <Zxcvb> or even compiling it yourself
[04:59:53] <JoeX> this one is compiled
[04:59:57] <JoeX> on my gentoo system
[05:00:01] <JoeX> the redhat system i used rpms
[05:00:08] <JoeX> i will try 1.1.1
[05:00:13] <JoeX> thx for your help btw
[05:00:25] <JoeX> did you do the zaurus port?
[05:04:14] <Zxcvb> yes
[05:04:17] <Zxcvb> no
[05:04:20] <Zxcvb> i use the zaurus port
[05:04:22] <Zxcvb> i did not port it
[05:04:39] <Zxcvb> and i have only gotten out of trinsic
[05:04:46] <Zxcvb> want a hint for serpent isle?
[05:04:49] <JoeX> ehhe
[05:04:52] <JoeX> i've played it before
[05:05:11] <JoeX> i've finished bg, not si
[05:05:26] <Zxcvb> after beating the silver seed (i do the silver seed right after getting a spellbook), use the silver seed area to stock up supplies like potions
[05:05:37] <Zxcvb> after the banes attack in si, it is nearly impossible to buy anything
[05:06:07] <JoeX> i'm wondering what new u7 games will pop up
[05:06:10] <Zxcvb> i use the silver seed keep as a base, and have it stocked up with tons of cow meat, potions of all types, etc
[05:06:13] <JoeX> i've kicked the idea around mysefl
[05:06:18] <Zxcvb> you beaten ultima 7?
[05:06:21] <JoeX> hehe
[05:06:22] <JoeX> yes
[05:06:23] <JoeX> not si
[05:06:24] <JoeX> bj
[05:06:26] <Zxcvb> does the help spell ever quit working?
[05:06:26] <JoeX> BG
[05:06:32] <JoeX> i dont' remember
[05:06:36] <JoeX> it was so long ago
[05:06:39] <Zxcvb> i heard help stopped working when the moongates die
[05:06:44] <JoeX> i bought it right when it came out
[05:06:56] <Zxcvb> oh, i usually ditch my companions right after completing the isle of fire
[05:07:00] <JoeX> well, i got it for christmas
[05:07:06] <Zxcvb> don't forget to get lots of blue potions
[05:07:12] <Zxcvb> you can shove them down enemies throats
[05:07:19] <JoeX> i was reading some hints and stuff the other day
[05:07:20] <JoeX> yeah
[05:07:22] <JoeX> i read that one
[05:07:29] <JoeX> and they showed me a better way to gamble too
[05:07:30] <JoeX> hehehe
[05:07:32] <Zxcvb> how about the past posting trick in bg
[05:07:45] <Zxcvb> put 100 coins on any color and spin the wheel
[05:07:49] <JoeX> my favorite is gambling. I used to make lots of money with roulette
[05:07:59] <Zxcvb> when the wheel is about to stop, open your inventory and move the coins
[05:08:08] <JoeX> you could move your money around until the wheel stopped
[05:08:11] <Zxcvb> oh, make sure there is no one in the casino, or you get attacked
[05:08:12] <JoeX> yep :)
[05:08:18] <Zxcvb> that is called past posting
[05:08:24] <JoeX> I used to bring the magic carpet there and fill up 2 barrels
[05:08:35] <Zxcvb> i renamed my ship the jolly roger
[05:08:39] <JoeX> i plant the barrels between the seats
[05:08:42] <JoeX> hehe
[05:08:47] <Zxcvb> did you do that?
[05:08:53] <JoeX> rename it?
[05:08:54] <JoeX> no
[05:08:54] <Zxcvb> i don't use the carpet much
[05:08:56] <Zxcvb> too dangerous
[05:08:58] <JoeX> i don't care to
[05:09:01] <JoeX> lol
[05:09:01] <JoeX> why
[05:09:12] <JoeX> you lose your barrels/
[05:09:12] <JoeX> ?
[05:09:14] <JoeX> i loved the carpet
[05:09:16] <Zxcvb> fly over the isle of the avatar, and a door will permanently close
[05:09:26] <Zxcvb> making it impossible to beat the game without using hackmover
[05:09:27] <JoeX> hmm
[05:09:31] <JoeX> ugh
[05:09:41] <Zxcvb> you have to hack move the door out of the way
[05:09:42] <JoeX> i don't remember that happening, but maybe i chated to win :)
[05:09:50] <JoeX> nah, i didn't use chaeats in 7
[05:09:53] <JoeX> i did in 6 tho :)
[05:10:02] <Zxcvb> joex: in that case, you either cheat or start over
[05:10:09] <JoeX> i cheated to get a glass sword b/c i didn't wanna walk all the way acrooss the map to find one
[05:10:24] <Zxcvb> ultima.lockewolf.com/pub/u7/docs/u7tips.html
[05:10:27] <JoeX> any idea how to compile the cvs
[05:10:50] <Zxcvb> i have the ultimate cheat for u6
[05:11:00] <Zxcvb> and it doesn't involve cheat menus
[05:11:16] <Zxcvb> first, i killed phoenix and got her belt, along with her armor and swords
[05:11:19] <Zxcvb> yes, i used the traps
[05:11:30] <Zxcvb> i dropped the armor, and cast animate on it
[05:11:33] <Zxcvb> then cast clone
[05:11:37] <JoeX> yeah, i saw that one
[05:11:38] <Zxcvb> and clone again, etc
[05:11:40] <JoeX> lol
[05:11:59] <JoeX> i read it on some site the other day at work
[05:12:06] <Zxcvb> then killed the armors, kept one for each party member, one extra, and sold the others
[05:12:20] <Zxcvb> i managed to find the pirate treasure without the map
[05:12:43] <JoeX> i don't remember anything o f6 hardly
[05:12:48] <JoeX> that game is like 10 years old
[05:12:49] <Zxcvb> i have the fan and baloon, even though i haven't rescued the shrines
[05:12:55] <JoeX> well, older
[05:13:15] <JoeX> great games, my all time favorite series
[05:13:21] <Zxcvb> runs fine in dosbox except for minor graphics glitches during the intro, and sound syncronization
[05:13:25] <Zxcvb> played ultima 9?
[05:13:29] <JoeX> yeah
[05:13:40] <JoeX> i got bored afer i was stuck in the 1st dungeon for too long
[05:13:41] <Zxcvb> get 1.19f and the dialog/economy/monster patches
[05:13:44] <JoeX> couldn't open some stupid door
[05:13:48] <Zxcvb> 1st dungeon was easy
[05:13:52] <JoeX> do the monsters look better?
[05:13:56] <Zxcvb> check out the wawyard avatar
[05:13:57] <Zxcvb> it's 3d
[05:14:07] <Zxcvb> like ultima underworld, only not as blocky as it uses hardware 3d
[05:14:16] <JoeX> wayward avatar?
[05:14:17] <Zxcvb> oh, you need a p4 1.6 with 256mb ram and 32mb geforce card
[05:14:19] <Zxcvb> yeah
[05:14:21] <Zxcvb> google for it
[05:14:21] <JoeX> is it a remake of underworld?
[05:14:27] <Zxcvb> no, a site for ultima 9
[05:14:30] <JoeX> I've seen some of thos ebut not played them
[05:14:31] <JoeX> ah
[05:14:41] <Zxcvb> or a p2 400 with 256mb ram and a 12mb voodoo 2 card
[05:14:57] <Zxcvb> yes, a 12mb voodoo 2 is much faster than even a 128mb nvidia
[05:15:27] <JoeX> that pissed me off
[05:15:28] <JoeX> heh
[05:15:33] <JoeX> i have a geforce 4
[05:15:44] <JoeX> i played it with my GF2mx, and it wasn't that great
[05:16:11] <JoeX> that stupid door thing.. ugh
[05:16:25] <JoeX> it is more like a puzzle than an rpg
[05:17:00] <Zxcvb> more like a 3d ultima 8
[05:17:09] <Zxcvb> even more so than underworld
[05:17:15] <Zxcvb> remember underworld 2?
[05:17:16] <JoeX> yeah
[05:17:21] <JoeX> yes, vaguely
[05:17:27] <JoeX> i played one pretty far
[05:17:38] <JoeX> the first real 3d game
[05:17:46] <Zxcvb> i prefer the one where LBs castle is encased in blackrock
[05:17:48] <JoeX> that i can rembmember
[05:17:59] <Zxcvb> didn't like the one in the abyss
[05:18:12] <Zxcvb> in underworld 2, there is an interesting cheat
[05:18:16] <JoeX> some people are remaking ultima underworld
[05:18:19] <Zxcvb> first, identify all potions and scrolls
[05:18:26] <Zxcvb> this is only for underworld 2
[05:18:55] <Zxcvb> after they are identified, so it says potion of ... or scroll of ..., throw it against the wall
[05:19:01] <Zxcvb> after a while, it will turn into debris
[05:19:07] <Zxcvb> so now you have debris of ...
[05:19:10] <Zxcvb> with infinite uses
[05:19:15] <Zxcvb> such as debris of time stop
[05:19:22] <JoeX> ahah
[05:19:42] <Zxcvb> in ultima 6 through 9, i always stock up areas
[05:19:58] <Zxcvb> in ultima 6, i use the area outside the castle, but before the drawbridge
[05:20:09] <Zxcvb> and the side of the castle for the runes and stones
[05:20:20] <Zxcvb> in ultima 7, i use the isle of fire (can return there)
[05:20:25] <JoeX> ah, the good ole days
[05:20:38] <Zxcvb> in si, i use the silver seed, as the teleport storms can't reach there
[05:20:41] <JoeX> i think i used barrels mstly
[05:20:44] <Zxcvb> in ultima 8, i use mythran's house
[05:20:52] <JoeX> i hardly remember 8 ;)
[05:20:58] <JoeX> my memory is not that great
[05:21:08] <Zxcvb> in si, i use barrels, chests, and crates
[05:21:18] <Zxcvb> i have just gotten back to the mainland
[05:21:26] <Zxcvb> and have nicely stocked up my spellbook
[05:21:34] <Zxcvb> the dark path is nice
[05:21:36] <JoeX> i bet you played uo too :)
[05:21:48] <Zxcvb> though not as good as the teleport stones
[05:21:50] <Zxcvb> nope
[05:21:54] <JoeX> really?
[05:21:55] <JoeX> wow
[05:22:00] <JoeX> i loved uo
[05:22:06] <JoeX> pretty addictive game ;)
[05:22:07] <Zxcvb> after the piece of shit known as u9, i decided never to go with origin again
[05:22:10] <JoeX> can't play that anymore
[05:22:13] <Zxcvb> everquest is better, imho
[05:22:19] <JoeX> well, uo predates 8
[05:22:20] <JoeX> 9
[05:22:32] <Zxcvb> or just go for a RoT based mud
[05:22:35] <Zxcvb> or smaug
[05:22:51] <JoeX> uo was pretty fun. i liked the social aspects of the game
[05:23:15] <Zxcvb> is that the one where you couldn't even fight weak stuff like rats until you played for a week?
[05:23:24] <JoeX> i don't think so
[05:23:28] <JoeX> i don't remember having that problem
[05:23:36] <Zxcvb> have you heard about everquest and some raids?
[05:23:42] <JoeX> i was scared at first tho to wander off to far b/c of player killers
[05:23:42] <JoeX> heeh
[05:23:51] <JoeX> be back in a bit
[05:23:52] <Zxcvb> a couple hundred people all going to kill a certain mob
[05:24:07] <Zxcvb> in the old muds, there would be thousands participating in raids
[05:24:23] <Zxcvb> oh, and forget about graphics, peroid
[05:31:08] <JoeX> how old are you? (25 here)
[05:34:25] <JoeX> have you played ultima 6 recently, or did you play it when it was released?
[05:34:36] <JoeX> you have to be close to my age if you played that game :)
[05:39:05] <JoeX> bah, the copy protection is still there
[05:39:10] <JoeX> guess i need to remove it ;)
[05:41:24] <Zxcvb> i had the 1-6 cd
[05:41:28] <Zxcvb> and ultima 4 for the apple ii
[05:41:54] <Zxcvb> the 1-6 cd was on a lightning fast p75 with a whopping 8Mb RAM and a huge 500MB hdd
[05:42:14] <Zxcvb> 23 here
[05:42:29] <Zxcvb> how about doing your homework in applesoft basic
[05:42:48] <Zxcvb> checked out dosbox yet?
[05:44:08] <Zxcvb> it's going to be the ultima dos emulator (yes, emulator)
[05:54:53] <JoeX> i'm running linux, no dosbox for me
[05:55:03] <JoeX> i played ultima 6 on a Tandy 1000 TX
[05:55:16] <JoeX> it was an 8Mhz 8088 with 1 meg of ram
[05:55:22] <JoeX> well, 640k
[05:55:39] <JoeX> and it had a double density floppy drive
[05:55:46] <JoeX> i played u6 off of floppies
[05:55:46] <JoeX> hehe
[05:55:54] <JoeX> that kinda stunk
[05:56:15] <JoeX> how do i get the oggs working with this thing
[06:04:09] <Zxcvb> ou h
[06:04:12] <Zxcvb> ouch
[06:06:27] <JoeX> ahh, sound
[06:09:17] <JoeX> lol, i found a way around the copy protection
[06:09:20] <JoeX> int he beginning of si
[06:14:28] <JoeX> ok, bedtime
[06:14:36] <JoeX> nice chatting with you and thanks for the help
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[06:15:20] <Zxcvb> gamefaqs.com
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[09:50:11] <Darke> Hi Fingolfin! (Though the greeting is probably half an hour late. *grin*)
[09:50:40] <Fingolfin> hiya
[09:50:45] <Fingolfin> no worries :-)
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[14:25:49] <JoeX|away> hi al
[14:25:50] <JoeX|away> all
[14:26:43] <wjp> hi
[14:27:00] <Colourless> hi
[14:31:42] <JoeX|away> Perhaps someone can help me with my problem with bg
[14:31:50] <JoeX|away> I have the Ultima 7 classics edition cdrom
[14:32:00] <JoeX|away> it contains zips of bg and fov, as well as si and ss
[14:32:14] <JoeX|away> I can play SI, but when I try to play U7, i get an SDL crash
[14:32:41] <JoeX|away> Skin is: 3 Sex is: 0
[14:32:42] <JoeX|away> Creating 'gamedat' files.
[14:32:42] <JoeX|away> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[14:33:06] <JoeX|away> I did an strace, and the last thing that happens before the crash is an open of the USECODE file, and it reads a few lines from it
[14:33:12] <JoeX|away> Any ideas?
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[16:34:25] <wjp> hi again
[16:34:37] <Colourless> wb
[16:35:12] <wjp> thx
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[17:37:30] <wjp> wow, our pageviews went up immensely after u7run got slashdotted
[17:37:38] <wjp> from ~3K to ~15K
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[19:27:51] <phxl> Hi
[19:29:19] <wjp> hi
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[19:30:48] <wjp> hi
[19:31:02] <Dominus> hi
[19:31:33] <Dominus> doing more useless u8 stuff?
[19:31:34] <Dominus> :-)
[19:31:47] <wjp> pretty much :-)
[19:32:09] <Dominus> he he
[19:32:32] <phxl> Anything related to U8, however remote, is never useless!
[19:32:40] <phxl> (I hope that made sense)
[19:32:47] <Dominus> wrong channel to discuss this kind of stuff, should remember to ask that in #pentagram :-)
[19:32:53] <phxl> *however remotely
[19:32:57] <phxl> is probably better
[19:32:59] <phxl> :/
[19:33:26] <Dominus> I wanted to remind myself with this, btw
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[20:04:42] <Dominus> hi Dark-Star
[20:04:44] <Dark-Star> hi
[20:06:08] <Dark-Star> any late-breaking news? ;-)
[20:08:07] <Dominus> yes!!!
[20:08:24] <Dominus> one of my 256 MB Ram sticks was bad :-)
[20:09:59] <phxl> Wow, another satisfied T-Online user!
[20:10:31] * Dominus wonders how anyone can be satisfied with T-online :-)
[20:10:43] <phxl> :D
[20:10:56] <phxl> well, it's supposed to be crap for gaming, that's for sure
[20:11:33] <Dark-Star> Dominus: Well, I knew *that* (we talked about it the other day, remember? :-)
[20:11:58] <phxl> I used to be on AOL :/
[20:12:00] <Dark-Star> phxl: They allow enabling FastPath from sometime next year on...
[20:12:07] <Dark-Star> T-Online, that is
[20:12:23] <Dominus> phxl: aol is not soooo bad
[20:12:26] <phxl> well, my online gaming days are over anyway
[20:12:34] <Dark-Star> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/tol-10.12.02-006/
[20:12:43] <Dark-Star> in case anyone is interested . . .
[20:12:50] <Dominus> nope :-)
[20:13:32] <Dominus> Dark-Star: the problem with my dead stick is that it is hard to come by a compatible replacement, now I'm stuck at 256 MB :-(
[20:13:58] <Dark-Star> Dominus Why, what kind of stick is it? RAMBUS or what?
[20:14:30] <Dominus> nope it is a 168 pin sdram PC133 but apparently they changed something for these recently
[20:15:18] <Dark-Star> Dominus: just try another manufacturer, for example infineonchip or full infineon...
[20:15:46] <Dark-Star> Dominus: I tried a noname first, but it didn't work. then I paid 5 euro more for an infineonchip and that worked fine
[20:15:46] <phxl> Dominus: perhaps you're right. Recently I discovered that they had been debiting money from my bank account several times even though I wasn't using AOL any more. I wrote them a letter, and I got a refund.
[20:15:57] <Dominus> like the ones availlable only support >= P3 1 GHz with 512 K cache (and mine is a 256 k)
[20:16:34] <Dark-Star> P3 > 1GHz? shouldn't they have DDR memory nowadays??
[20:16:41] <Dominus> phxl: yeah I heard that leaving AOL is sometimes not that easy...
[20:17:26] <Dominus> Dark-Star: nowadays, but my board is not from nowadays...
[20:17:50] <Dark-Star> Dominus: yep, I didn't say it was, did I? :)
[20:17:52] <phxl> yeah, but I think there's nothing that can stop them from bombarding us with AOL CDs
[20:18:19] <Dominus> he he
[20:18:49] <phxl> I like AIM, though :o
[20:18:52] <Dominus> phxl: all I can say is that AOL is perfect for my mom for example
[20:19:28] <phxl> AOL's surely okay for people who aren't really computer-savvy
[20:19:38] <Dominus> she can plug in all over the world and she travels alot
[20:19:49] <Dominus> there is nothing that beats AOL in that regard
[20:20:30] <phxl> point taken
[20:22:14] <phxl> my AOL connection started out rather crappy, but after a while it became reasonably fast and stable
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[22:57:12] <kuran> hola, anyone here?
[22:58:22] <Dominus> yep
[22:58:28] <Dominus> hi
[23:04:31] <kuran> question, has it always been a part of U7 that you could move any object on-screen?
[23:05:15] <Dominus> what do you mean "any object"?
[23:05:23] <kuran> well, for example
[23:05:25] <Dominus> you can't move any object
[23:05:34] <kuran> you can move any "candle" on screen
[23:05:42] <kuran> on mac osx build
[23:05:47] <kuran> you don't have to stand close to it
[23:05:57] <Dominus> yes, you could always when it was not blocked
[23:06:01] <kuran> i see
[23:06:02] <kuran> ok
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[23:17:30] <Fingolfin> yo
[23:18:53] <Dominus> hi
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[23:39:28] <Colourless> hi :-)
[23:39:34] <Dominus> hi
[23:39:41] <Dominus> early riser today?