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[03:01:39] <artaxerxes> hi all
[03:02:15] <artaxerxes> any chance of getting someone here to know what flag is it to have the letter from Ruggs to give to Delphynia in SI ?
[03:02:21] <artaxerxes> ?seen wjp
[03:02:21] <exultbot> wjp left IRC around Mon Feb 11 22:01:22 2002 (GMT) ("Zzzz....")
[03:02:27] <artaxerxes> ?time
[03:02:27] <exultbot> It is now Tue Feb 12 03:02:27 2002 (GMT).
[03:02:38] <artaxerxes> ?seen colourless
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[03:02:56] <artaxerxes> ?seen sarke
[03:02:56] <exultbot> I haven't seen sarke lately
[03:02:59] <artaxerxes> ?seen darke
[03:02:59] <exultbot> darke left #exult around Mon Feb 11 14:39:41 2002 (GMT)
[03:03:19] <artaxerxes> too bad
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[09:03:25] <Wumpus> good evening all
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[09:35:32] * Darke bows. "Hello."
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[10:08:02] <wjp|work> hi
[10:08:08] <kefka> hello
[10:15:58] <Darke> Hi.
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[12:36:21] <Colourless> hi
[12:42:33] <Darke> Hi.
[12:51:20] <kefka> hello
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[13:04:21] <sbx> Hello.
[13:04:26] <Colourless> hi
[13:41:08] * Wumpus siddles over to darke and pokes him
[13:41:17] <Wumpus> (evening all again, btw, i've been otherwise occupied :P)
[13:45:22] <Colourless> evening
[13:47:19] <sbx> evening
[13:59:16] * Darke startles a little, having been poked about 15 minues earlier. He must be a bit... sleepy or something. "Evening."
[13:59:48] * Colourless thinks it's just the time it takes Darke's brain to function
[14:01:57] <Darke> Colourless: Nah. It just took a little while to parse 'siddles' as meaning something. My mental spellchecker must be timing out or something. <grin>
[14:02:11] <Wumpus> hehe
[14:02:22] <Colourless> excuses, excuses. took you a long time to respond then as well :-P
[14:02:42] <Colourless> i mean, you really can't expect much more from a rabbit :-)
[14:02:48] <Wumpus> darke- you say you do job hunting at the moment... do you mainly mail out in response to online adverts, or use other approaches? and if so, how much do you tend to send per day/week/other unit of time?
[14:03:17] <Darke> Colourless: LIke I said, <grin> I'm sleepy.
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[14:06:05] <kefka> so how bout that algebraic number theory..
[14:06:19] <Darke> Wumpus: I normally mail out to online adverts. As to numbers sent out, umm... it varies, a lot. I need to apply for a minimum of 10 jobs per fortnight for centerlink paperwork. Some weeks I'll email out 30+ applications to online adverts, some weeks there's only two or three jobs I can apply for. Apparently the best bet it to do canvessing, in specific, snail/e mailing out your resume to ...
[14:07:11] <Wumpus> hmm
[14:07:12] <Darke> ... specific companies in the field that you want to work in, and just waiting. Resending the resumes, or whatever every 3 months or so. But that's the prevailing trend in .au.
[14:07:23] <kefka> how many days is a fortnight?
[14:07:28] <Wumpus> 14 days :P
[14:07:31] <kefka> ah
[14:07:37] <Wumpus> (no, the term doesn't make a great deal of sense, i agree completely)
[14:07:38] <Darke> The stats given are 90% of the jobs in .au are unadvertised.
[14:07:51] <Wumpus> darke- yeah, i've heard that, its depressing
[14:08:19] * Wumpus is getting through about one a night at the moment, to DE recruitment company adverts.... and they tend to keep your resume on file (or so they say)
[14:08:22] <Darke> The 10 jobs per 14 days is so that you theoretically apply for one job each workday, but of course, it doesn't work like that. <grin>
[14:08:30] <Colourless> no :-)
[14:08:33] * Wumpus is working on his third for tonight, which is a lot, but i've been slacking off ;-p
[14:08:39] <Colourless> more like 10 in one day :-)
[14:08:44] <Wumpus> hehe colourless ;-p
[14:08:49] <Wumpus> and 13 days to loaf around? :)
[14:08:53] <Darke> Colourless: 10 in two days normally. <grin>
[14:09:37] <Colourless> :_)
[14:09:47] <Colourless> uh, oh, lots my nose :-)
[14:09:58] <Colourless> and my ability to type too :-)
[14:10:16] <Darke> Colourless: You lost your ability to type a long, LONG time ago. <grin>
[14:10:35] <Wumpus> you mean he had it once?
[14:10:51] <Darke> Wumpus: Well... I guessed so.
[14:11:11] <Colourless> checking exultbot would tend to suggest not :-)
[14:11:13] * Wumpus applies for euro 65k job... hmm, I rather doubt thats in my line, but I fulfil the requirements reasonably closely, interesting
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[14:11:34] * Wumpus notes that with the aussies dollar being what it is, thats something like a million AUD ;-p
[14:11:40] <Nadir> Hi
[14:11:41] <Wumpus> (well, alright, not quite, but its a hell of a lot)
[14:11:56] <Nadir> Has anyone seen this: http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/
[14:12:06] <Nadir> (free sounds which could be used for Exult)
[14:12:15] <Colourless> while it appears that I can kind of write functional code, you must remember that the compiler tends to check code for errors
[14:12:24] <kefka> time to do differential equations after being up for 22 hours... later..
[14:12:31] <Wumpus> anyone have any idea what informix is? it rings a bell...
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[14:12:45] <Colourless> haven't seen that
[14:12:45] <Wumpus> kefka- sounds like fun
[14:13:15] <Darke> Wumpus: As to the 90% of jobs not being advertised, it seems to be working for me at the moment. I've just been offered two 'short term', that is about a week long contracts from an old contracting boss I haven't heard of in ages. <grin> So I'll have some money coming in for a week or two, and perhaps keep centerlink off my back for a bit.
[14:13:25] <Darke> Hi Nadir.
[14:13:41] * Wumpus considers centrelink
[14:14:11] <Darke> Wumpus: What are you considering it for? Just for temporary $ whilst you apply for jobs overseas?
[14:14:33] <Wumpus> darke- nah, just wondering whether, if this takes longer than i had hoped, i can get anything out of them
[14:14:34] <Wumpus> :P
[14:15:32] <Darke> Nadir: That looks useful.
[14:15:50] <Wumpus> darke- (jobs) good stuff :-)
[14:17:19] <Darke> Wumpus: If you're looking for help job searching. Don't bother. Computer/IT/Engineering jobs don't go through there. Pretty much anything 'wanting' a degree doesn't go through there either. However, if you're looking for a bunch of people to staff a newly opened pineapple canning plant, that's where you go. <bleah>
[14:17:52] <Nadir> informix: it's a db company
[14:18:16] <Colourless> Darke: Quit posting in Algebraic Number Thoery. I'm trying to see if I can get 'them' to stop posting. :-) Don't ruin my fun :-)
[14:18:28] <Wumpus> wumpus- nah, i'm looking for money ;-p
[14:18:34] <Wumpus> nadir- ahh
[14:18:45] <Wumpus> ahem
[14:18:51] <Wumpus> darke- nah, i'm looking for money ;-p (even)
[14:18:56] <wjp|work> talking to yourself again? ;-)
[14:19:03] * Wumpus notes that talking to yourself is a sign of old age :P)
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[14:19:16] <artaxerxes> hi all
[14:19:18] <wjp|work> hi
[14:19:19] <Colourless> hi
[14:19:20] <sbx> hi
[14:19:29] <artaxerxes> all the people I need ! *grin*
[14:19:37] <Darke> Wumpus: That's 'easy' enough. You just need to fillout 10 applied to jobs in a little book and hand in a form once a fortnight. <grin>
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[14:19:48] <Wumpus> darke- ah :)
[14:19:59] * Darke notices artaxerxes and hops off to hide behind the couch.
[14:20:18] * artaxerxes goes behind the couch and pulls Darke out of it
[14:20:31] * Wumpus carlessly shoves the couch and hears a soft squishy noise... oops, sorry darke
[14:20:35] * Darke eeps and grumbles.
[14:20:38] <wjp|work> out of it? he isn't hiding _in_ the couch, is he? ;-)
[14:20:50] <unknown_person> hehe
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[14:21:09] * SharpTooth scampers underneath the couch.
[14:21:14] <artaxerxes> anyone cares to make a file with a list of the flags and their meaning ?
[14:21:22] <unknown_person> which game?
[14:21:26] <unknown_person> which flags?
[14:21:27] <wjp|work> umm, no...
[14:21:27] <artaxerxes> both
[14:21:30] <wjp|work> lots of flags...
[14:21:33] <artaxerxes> I know
[14:21:35] <artaxerxes> 1000+
[14:21:37] <wjp|work> LOTS of flags
[14:21:49] <SharpTooth> ucxt can produce a file detailing which functions use which flags, and which flags are used in which functions.
[14:22:00] <artaxerxes> ahhhh... nice
[14:22:16] <SharpTooth> No names, but lots of numbers. And if you know the function numbers that 'should' us it. It might be of help.
[14:22:27] <artaxerxes> I was playing yesterday on SI and something weird happened. I am sure a flag should have been set but it was not (or vice versa)
[14:23:11] <artaxerxes> Never mind
[14:23:19] <artaxerxes> I just realised my error
[14:23:26] <artaxerxes> I talked to the wrong character!
[14:23:28] <artaxerxes> :)
[14:23:35] <SharpTooth> Ahh. <grin>
[14:23:38] * artaxerxes blushes profusely
[14:23:45] <unknown_person> good :-)
[14:23:49] <unknown_person> we don't like work :-)
[14:24:09] <unknown_person> work being all the hard work to list all the flags :-)
[14:24:10] * SharpTooth is vaguely surprised `ucxt -ff` actually works, despite the fact he hasn't tested it in a couple of months...
[14:24:12] <artaxerxes> still... it'd be nice to have such a file.... :)
[14:24:27] * artaxerxes whistles innocently
[14:24:44] <unknown_person> you have *no* idea how long it would take us to do just bg, let alone si :-)
[14:24:47] <SharpTooth> artaxerxes: That sounds like a 'volunteer whistle' to me. <grin>
[14:25:33] * SharpTooth knows exactly how long it'd take. <grin> He started trying to document what the functions so an aeon or so ago, and didn't make a dent.
[14:25:40] <wjp|work> knowing the way SI handled the engine, lots of flags probably would be used in ways that require at least a full page to describe
[14:25:53] <artaxerxes> SharpTooth: I'm already volunteering for another SI project... translation in Francais
[14:26:21] <artaxerxes> and it does take long..
[14:26:27] <artaxerxes> oh well...
[14:27:05] <wjp|work> I see you finished the banquet + Dupre's trial? not bad
[14:27:26] <artaxerxes> I'll do it when I am finished the translation.... during the long winter months of next year :)
[14:27:47] <artaxerxes> Actually, I missed one file for Dupre's trial... it is under way as we speak
[14:29:39] <artaxerxes> It is tricky sometimes because the english uses his/her when describing items so that we know whether the owner is male/female while the french uses son/sa so that we know whether the item descibes is maculine/feminine gender. it impies a hack of usecode
[14:30:19] <wjp|work> well, you could also just replace both "her" and "his" by the same word
[14:30:44] <wjp|work> or maybe I misunderstand
[14:30:52] * wjp|work re-reads
[14:31:21] <artaxerxes> believe me, in some cases it doesn't work
[14:31:32] <artaxerxes> a real hack of usecode will be needed.
[14:31:40] <wjp|work> can you give an example?
[14:31:49] <artaxerxes> SharpTooth: how come you're an op ?
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[14:32:35] <Darke> No reason. <innocentgrin>
[14:32:44] <wjp|work> because I gave him auto-op, basically :-)
[14:32:57] <sbx> How do the French decide if an item is masculine or feminine?
[14:33:02] <Darke> Like I said. No reason. <grin>
[14:33:04] <artaxerxes> wjp|work: simple.. follow with me the scenario where one is talking about the avatar's companion and one of the avatar's item
[14:34:01] <artaxerxes> the Avatar and ...... companion, Dupre are guilty!
[14:34:01] <wjp|work> sbx: just like any language. It grows historically, I guess
[14:34:12] <wjp|work> ah...
[14:34:37] <wjp|work> well, this case is easily fixed, because Dupre is always male
[14:34:49] <unknown_person> well, not really
[14:34:53] <Wumpus> lol
[14:35:00] * Darke snickers.
[14:35:01] <unknown_person> the usecode will attempt to add his/her anyway
[14:35:08] <artaxerxes> Guards, take ..... possessions away
[14:35:24] <artaxerxes> in english, you could put his in both cases... not in french
[14:35:25] <wjp|work> is the his/her done by a separate usecode function?
[14:35:37] <unknown_person> probably I guess
[14:35:42] <artaxerxes> nope... it is a Label at the beginning of the uc
[14:35:43] <unknown_person> and that is what I think artaxerxes's problem is
[14:35:50] <wjp|work> if not, you just replace "him" and "her" by "son"
[14:36:10] <unknown_person> hmmm
[14:36:30] <artaxerxes> no! that's the point!
[14:36:40] <artaxerxes> you cannot put "son possessions"
[14:36:48] <artaxerxes> it should be "ses possessions"
[14:37:13] <Darke> He could replace the call to the function to determine the characters gender with a series of jmp opcodes. To pad it out to the length of the call... hmm...
[14:37:29] <wjp|work> and that "ses" has to be generated by the same code that generates "son"?
[14:37:47] <artaxerxes> well, ses is the plurial form of son
[14:37:52] <wjp|work> I know :-)
[14:38:00] <artaxerxes> so it depends on the following word
[14:38:04] <artaxerxes> sorry :)
[14:39:21] <artaxerxes> Darke: the gender of the character makes no diff in French. It is the gender/number of the following word that forces the choice
[14:39:39] <Darke> Ahh... ouch.
[14:40:11] <unknown_person> can you give an example of where you will have problem with that?
[14:40:23] <wjp|work> (ie. usecode function number)
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[14:41:26] <artaxerxes> well.. I was spared quite a bit... but KlownK had the most trouble.
[14:41:42] <artaxerxes> I'll see if he can come here and show you a couple of ex
[14:42:59] * Darke nods.
[14:46:42] <artaxerxes> otherwise I know that he worked on the banquet... so maybe you'll get a catch there
[14:47:36] <artaxerxes> Additionnaly, KK works on uc from 0096.uc to 04A0.uc
[14:50:54] <Wumpus> hrmm, grr
[14:51:08] <sbx> grr?
[14:51:44] * Darke earperks.
[14:52:17] <Wumpus> for some reason, some emails aren't sitting in my outbox :/
[14:55:40] <wjp|work> *looks at top post in forum* oh no... not another one...
[14:56:31] * Darke groans, then groans again at the one just below it.
[14:56:33] <artaxerxes> :)
[14:56:45] <artaxerxes> nice author name too
[14:57:27] * Colourless replies
[14:57:46] <Darke> RTFF?
[14:57:47] <Wumpus> hehe
[14:58:12] <Wumpus> bah
[14:58:32] <Wumpus> eww
[14:58:34] * Wumpus yawns
[14:58:40] <Wumpus> i am massievly overdue for sleep
[14:58:41] <Darke> Colourless: You do know _someone_ is going to complain about your hostility just like Nadir? <grin>
[14:58:45] <Wumpus> g'night all
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[14:58:50] <Darke> Goodnight Wumpus.
[14:59:02] <wjp|work> Colourless: wow, you even misspelled your name yourself now
[14:59:24] <Colourless> hmmm, interesting :-)
[14:59:32] <artaxerxes> :)
[14:59:36] <Colourless> you speak lies
[14:59:39] <Darke> wjp|work: No. The 'u' is there, it's just the 'r' or the 'l' is in the wrong place.
[14:59:54] * sbx decides to reply also.
[15:00:04] <Darke> Colourless: Much better. <grin>
[15:00:11] <Colourless> my name is not misspelt
[15:00:18] <wjp|work> Colourless: sorry. My mistake ;-)
[15:00:53] <Colourless> not a problem wjp :-)
[15:01:15] <artaxerxes> You're cheating Colourless
[15:01:23] <Darke> Wow. Both sbx and artaxerxes posted a reply at exactly the same time... <grin>
[15:01:30] * sbx boggles.
[15:01:49] * artaxerxes congratulates sbx and himself
[15:02:03] * Darke wants admin privledges on the forum, so he can abuse them just like everyone else does. <innocentlop>
[15:02:16] <artaxerxes> as we say in French, les grands esprits se rencontrent.
[15:02:30] * sbx boggles some more.
[15:02:31] <wjp|work> Darke: wrong reason. You just destroyed your chances of getting admin rights ;-P
[15:02:48] * Darke pokes his tongue out at wjp.
[15:02:57] <wjp|work> instant translation: "great minds think alike", or something
[15:03:29] <Darke> wjp: It's not as if there is really any other reason to have admin privs on the forum, is there?
[15:03:34] <sbx> we must not be very great then, because our replies are not very alike :)
[15:03:52] <Colourless> abusing admin privledges on the forum may be fun, but they are more useful to correct typos and spelling errors in your own posts
[15:03:59] <wjp|work> Colourless: indeed :-)
[15:04:20] <artaxerxes> sbx: lol
[15:04:33] <Colourless> hehe
[15:04:46] <sbx> Colourless: and to "correct" posts when they get too many replies :-)
[15:04:51] <artaxerxes> sbx: I should rephrase the expression. Les grands esprits postent sur le forumd d'Exult en meme temps/
[15:05:02] <wjp|work> *grin*
[15:05:03] <sbx> uh
[15:05:06] <sbx> bon appetit!
[15:05:09] <artaxerxes> :)
[15:05:11] <artaxerxes> merci
[15:05:13] <Darke> Colourless: You know, there's an easier way then abusing admin privs to do that. Most people actually reread their posts, just to check for such errors. <grin>
[15:05:32] <wjp|work> you should be able to translate that without knowing any French :-)
[15:05:44] <artaxerxes> Colourless: actually, I think this would constitute an abuse of power, and plan to fill a complain and gathering signatures against it! :)
[15:05:49] <wjp|work> (if you already know that "Les grands esprits" is "great minds", that is)
[15:06:01] <wjp|work> (or great spirits, maybe. Depends...)
[15:06:16] * Darke would guess great spirits, but it still makes sense.
[15:06:19] <artaxerxes> minds fits in here
[15:06:20] <sbx> great minds post on the forum at the same time?
[15:06:27] <sbx> exult forum
[15:06:28] <artaxerxes> yeah!
[15:06:31] <sbx> heh
[15:06:42] <artaxerxes> another beta tester i ready for SI in french!
[15:06:45] <artaxerxes> hourray!
[15:06:47] <wjp|work> lol
[15:06:56] <sbx> ...
[15:07:01] <sbx> What is this "french"?
[15:07:04] * sbx looks confused again.
[15:07:06] <sbx> sorry
[15:07:31] <sbx> :-)
[15:07:58] <Colourless> wjp, since you found it, you need to post too :-)
[15:09:12] <wjp|work> nah, I'm at work. I can't just waste time by posting to the forum...
[15:09:20] <wjp|work> really :-)
[15:09:28] <sbx> but you have time to monitor it?
[15:09:33] <wjp|work> sbx: shh!
[15:09:40] <wjp|work> :-)
[15:09:43] <artaxerxes> wjp|work: and post on IRC.
[15:09:43] <Colourless> and talk on irc?
[15:09:55] <artaxerxes> les grands esprits se rencontrent!
[15:10:04] <Colourless> yeah :-)
[15:10:17] <Colourless> it would appear that sbx was the not so great one last time :-)
[15:10:20] <artaxerxes> I should a acronyme to be faster.. ILESR
[15:10:26] <artaxerxes> oups
[15:10:28] <artaxerxes> LGESR
[15:11:26] * Darke is considering replying in a theatrical, grand 'conspriacy theory' way to it, but just can't find the right phrasing...
[15:12:25] <Colourless> what, that we are actually being paid by EA, not to put in multiplayer cause it would take people away from UO? :-)
[15:14:20] <Darke> And the code for it to work is already in the cvs, encoded in some of the 'non-used' documentation. Which can be extracted through the use of one of the tools that isn't compiled and distributed in any of the distributions because it's 'obsolete'...
[15:14:29] <artaxerxes> that's _really_ good Colourless... sounds totally plausible.... actually... is it true ?.... it all make sense now! Copy protection scheme, requires the original game, no link to warez sites... OH MY GOD!
[15:15:35] <wjp|work> Colourless: you do know that we _weren't_ supposed to tell anyone about that little EA-scheme, right?
[15:15:42] * sbx tells all his friends about the Exult/EA connection
[15:15:53] <Darke> You could throw in a reference about how Lord British is obviously a secret Illuminati member...
[15:16:23] <Colourless> oh shit
[15:16:25] <artaxerxes> don't tell me Microsoft also had his say and pushed the use of SDL so that is runs on Windows with no fuss ?!
[15:17:08] <sbx> Did anyone know that Martian Dreams was really written after RG went to Mars on a secret EA funded mission?
[15:17:18] <Colourless> next thing people will start to think that we had to have the original u7 source code to possibly even get anywhere near this level of reverse engineering... but that is completely false
[15:17:25] <Darke> artaxerxes: Nah. You're confusing things. That's part of Jeff's plan to slowly wean windows users off their os and onto linux.
[15:17:55] <artaxerxes> that would explain how acurate the description of Mars is in the game... like breathing by chewing gum
[15:18:05] <sbx> exactly
[15:18:15] <Darke> Colourless: Hmm... april 1st is only 6 weeks or so away isn't it? <grin>
[15:18:40] <artaxerxes> you guys could start something big.
[15:18:48] <Colourless> it's a well known fact that ea is attempting to take over the world
[15:18:54] <artaxerxes> preparing a good lie takes weeks you know
[15:19:20] <Colourless> lb leaving origin was just an attempt to get into the asian market you know... he's still being paid by ea :-)
[15:19:29] <Darke> artaxerxes: Agreed. Especially if you're covering all the angles. <grin>
[15:19:41] <Darke> Colourless: Oooh. That's _nice_!
[15:21:19] <artaxerxes> here's food for thought for the next April 1st: a multiplayer exult where to go from BG to SI and even Pagan... You can navigate back and forth when certain missions are accomplished.
[15:21:38] <sbx> for version 1.0? :)
[15:22:26] <Colourless> I really think we do need something for april 1st. exactly what though i don't know yet. I would like it to have something to do with ea though :-)
[15:22:55] <Colourless> i also think that we should email some of the web sites that often post exult news on them. :-)
[15:23:28] <artaxerxes> what's with this lilo global notice message ?!
[15:23:30] <sbx> EA is now going to retroactively charge all users of Exult based on hours played?
[15:23:43] <artaxerxes> THAT's good
[15:23:55] <Colourless> heh, na, that's not believable
[15:24:07] <sbx> maybe lilo is testing the wallops and wants as many people as possible to try and break it :P
[15:24:17] * sbx feels so used.
[15:24:26] <artaxerxes> EA is taking over Exult and releasing a SDK kit for making RPG games
[15:24:53] <Colourless> heh, and it will be going closed source :-)
[15:26:19] <sbx> for a very low $149.95 for the SDK, but they will still let us purchase stand alone Exutl for $39.95 :)
[15:26:20] <artaxerxes> and all Exult dev team is hired by EA to develop something else.
[15:26:37] <Colourless> a mmorpg of course :-)
[15:26:49] <artaxerxes> The site will be closed and the public has to take over the developement of Exult in secrecy
[15:27:00] <Colourless> using the exult engine :-)
[15:27:16] <sbx> but otherwise just like UO :P
[15:27:27] <Colourless> heh, yeah :-)
[15:27:42] <Colourless> we could doctor up a few screenshots :-)
[15:28:35] <artaxerxes> and pretend the site is down
[15:29:24] <sbx> make it "h4x0red"
[15:29:25] <artaxerxes> or will be down soon
[15:29:43] <Colourless> or just replace thte entire front page with a page saying what's going on
[15:30:00] <artaxerxes> with lots of links to EA
[15:30:12] <Colourless> yeah, and origin and ou :-)
[15:31:15] <Colourless> and prehaps a link to exult.ea.com our new website coming online 'soon' :-)
[15:31:21] <Colourless> or better 'real soon now' :-)
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[15:33:18] <sbx> (EA spy)
[15:34:08] <Colourless> hehe
[15:35:01] <artaxerxes> :)
[15:42:38] * artaxerxes is back to the translation and wishes good day to all
[15:42:44] <artaxerxes> ciao
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[16:01:26] <wjp|work> time to go home
[16:01:26] <wjp|work> bye
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[16:12:04] <sbx> Why am I still here?
[16:12:11] <-- sbx has left IRC ("^_^")
[16:16:09] <Darke> Good question. <grin> I must go as well. Bye!
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[17:28:21] <Guest36784> hi
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[17:29:35] <Avatar> hi
[17:29:42] <kefka> hello
[17:29:57] <Avatar> i have Exult for my U7 Part I & II
[17:30:05] <Avatar> its great !!!
[17:30:13] <kefka> cool
[17:30:18] <Avatar> ITS SUPER
[17:30:25] <kefka> is it Super Duper?
[17:30:31] <kefka> or just super?
[17:30:38] <Avatar> Super Duper!!!
[17:30:40] <Avatar> but...
[17:30:48] <Avatar> one thing is missing
[17:31:10] <Avatar> a multiplayer mode!!!
[17:31:21] <kefka> read the FAQ
[17:31:26] <kefka> and the message boards
[17:31:26] <Avatar> yes i know
[17:31:32] <Avatar> YES I HAVE
[17:31:38] <Avatar> i have mad a new topic
[17:31:48] <Avatar> "Ultima 7 multiplayer"
[17:32:04] <Avatar> are you the webmaster??
[17:32:09] <Avatar> where are you???
[17:32:14] <kefka> well, you know.. since exult is GPL, you can build a multiplayer mode for it yourself
[17:32:25] <Avatar> hmm
[17:32:26] <kefka> as long as you release it under the GPL too
[17:32:27] <Avatar> yes
[17:32:31] <Avatar> i know
[17:32:33] <Avatar> but
[17:32:35] <Cless|Away> not going to happen
[17:32:40] <kefka> i am just a long time user
[17:32:44] <Avatar> i would really like to do it but
[17:32:51] <kefka> i am in the United States
[17:33:01] <Avatar> what must i download for a multiplayer...
[17:33:04] <Avatar> ???
[17:33:13] <Avatar> this Exult Studio???
[17:33:15] <Avatar> i dont know
[17:33:16] <kefka> er.. you can't download anything for it
[17:33:19] <kefka> you have to write it
[17:33:21] <Avatar> HELP ME
[17:33:23] <Avatar> ??
[17:33:31] <Avatar> explaine me
[17:33:35] <kefka> ok..
[17:33:35] <Avatar> write??
[17:33:39] <Avatar> a notepad??
[17:33:41] <Avatar> or what?
[17:33:45] <kefka> go download a c++ compiler
[17:33:53] <Avatar> c++
[17:33:54] <Avatar> i know
[17:33:58] <kefka> write the c++ code for a multiplayer game engine
[17:34:03] <kefka> and bam, you are set
[17:34:05] <Avatar> uuuhhh
[17:34:06] <kefka> simple as that
[17:34:25] <Avatar> a c++ code for a multiplayer game engine!!!! That is very hard
[17:34:28] <Avatar> or?
[17:34:29] <Avatar> hmm
[17:34:32] <kefka> if you REALLY want to use notepad, you can... but i would recommend a good IDE
[17:34:33] <Avatar> i dont know
[17:34:39] <Avatar> ...
[17:34:45] <Avatar> i cant do that alone
[17:34:59] <Avatar> i search people who can help me
[17:35:07] <Avatar> hmmm
[17:35:23] <Avatar> you will have a multiplayer mode, too or???
[17:35:25] <kefka> do you know how to make the computer print out "Hello World." on the screen in C/C++?
[17:35:38] <Avatar> ...
[17:35:39] <Avatar> wait
[17:35:44] <Avatar> i can QBASIC
[17:35:47] <kefka> no, i won't be writing a multiplayer game engine for quite awhile
[17:36:00] <kefka> rofl.. qbasic
[17:36:06] <Avatar> and a litle Turbo Pascal !!!!
[17:36:13] <Avatar> but
[17:36:20] <kefka> there are no GOSUB's in c++ i'm afriad
[17:36:39] <Avatar> <CRY> I WILL HAVE A MULTIPLAYER MODE !!!!!!! <CRY>
[17:36:50] <kefka> i am telling you, go learn c++
[17:36:53] <Avatar> cry
[17:36:57] <kefka> and write one
[17:37:05] <Avatar> when i have learned that ....
[17:37:08] <Avatar> i am 80
[17:37:16] <Avatar> and i can buy Ultima Online 5
[17:37:20] <Avatar> CRY
[17:37:21] <Avatar> CRY
[17:37:23] <Avatar> CRY
[17:37:27] <Avatar> ...
[17:37:37] <Avatar> ohhh i am crying
[17:38:01] <Avatar> ..
[17:38:01] <Avatar> so
[17:38:09] <Avatar> what can i do else with EXULT ???
[17:38:16] <kefka> 10 PRINT "GO LEARN C++"
[17:38:20] <kefka> 20 GOTO 10
[17:38:26] <Avatar> hehe
[17:38:45] <Avatar> IF $I DONT KNOW GOTO 10
[17:38:51] <Avatar> höhö
[17:38:55] <Avatar> ...
[17:39:12] <kefka> not much if you don't know c/c++
[17:39:12] <Avatar> i play U7 in 640x800 and billnear
[17:39:32] <kefka> you could always be a bughunter..
[17:39:42] <Avatar> and sometimes in 800x600 but then the persons are tooooo small
[17:39:44] <Avatar> and
[17:39:48] <Avatar> i have one question
[17:39:51] <Avatar> ok
[17:39:55] <Avatar> a bug
[17:39:58] <Avatar> ok
[17:39:59] <Avatar> listen
[17:40:14] <Avatar> you know this F2 function this cheat menu??
[17:40:19] <kefka> whether i am listening or not doesn't matter
[17:40:27] <kefka> its whether i am looking at the screen
[17:40:31] <kefka> that matters
[17:40:35] <Avatar> LISTEN
[17:40:38] <Avatar> you know?
[17:40:38] <kefka> rofl
[17:40:43] <Avatar> this F2 screen??
[17:40:46] <kefka> yes
[17:40:47] <Avatar> this cheat menue???
[17:40:49] <Avatar> ok
[17:40:52] <kefka> what cheat menu?
[17:40:59] <Avatar> i would like to change my person
[17:41:05] <Avatar> i would like to be a paladin
[17:41:07] <Avatar> right
[17:41:10] <kefka> the f2 cheat menu?
[17:41:13] <Avatar> i go to NPC tools
[17:41:22] <Avatar> set my shape to PALADIN
[17:41:23] <kefka> lol
[17:41:25] <Avatar> ok
[17:41:30] <Avatar> it goes
[17:41:31] <Avatar> BUT
[17:41:36] <Avatar> i go to sleep
[17:41:46] <kefka> lay off the Nyquil
[17:41:48] <kefka> then
[17:41:50] <Avatar> waik off !!!
[17:41:51] <Avatar> and
[17:41:54] <Avatar> i am avatar
[17:41:56] <Avatar> again
[17:42:04] <Avatar> i go to NPC tools
[17:42:07] <Avatar> change my shap
[17:42:09] <Avatar> e
[17:42:12] <Avatar> ok
[17:42:14] <Avatar> i sleep
[17:42:16] <Avatar> waik up
[17:42:19] <Avatar> AVATAR
[17:42:20] <Cless|Away> you can't change the avatar's shapae
[17:42:36] <Avatar> or when i will sail with the boat i am avatar again
[17:42:50] <Avatar> i have change my shape to PALADIN
[17:43:03] <kefka> so, you goto sleep right?
[17:43:03] <Avatar> but when i sleep and wake up i am avatar!!
[17:43:07] <Avatar> :(
[17:43:09] <kefka> really?
[17:43:15] <Avatar> hmm
[17:43:15] <kefka> you are avatar
[17:43:17] <Avatar> ??
[17:43:20] <Avatar> yes
[17:43:23] <Avatar> only a name
[17:43:26] <Avatar> also
[17:43:30] <Avatar> ..
[17:43:31] <Avatar> hmm
[17:43:34] <Avatar> is that a bug
[17:43:38] <Cless|Away> nope
[17:43:38] <kefka> did you know that avatar spelled backwards is ratava
[17:43:39] <kefka> ?
[17:43:48] <Avatar> or why he is changing my shap when i go sleep
[17:44:02] <Avatar> hmm
[17:44:04] <Cless|Away> because you aren't supposed to change the avatar's shape
[17:44:15] <Avatar> when i can download are new version from Exult?????
[17:44:22] <kefka> use CVS
[17:44:27] <Avatar> CVS ???
[17:44:35] <kefka> concurrent version system
[17:44:41] <Avatar> hää???
[17:44:48] <kefka> do you run linux?
[17:44:49] <Avatar> concurrent version system
[17:44:52] <Avatar> no WIN
[17:45:00] <kefka> you really should switch to linux
[17:45:16] <kefka> if you insist on using windows
[17:45:18] <Avatar> i have linux
[17:45:20] <kefka> get the snapshots
[17:45:24] <kefka> from the downloads page
[17:45:42] <Avatar> snapshots i know but i dont know what it is???
[17:45:43] <Avatar> explaine
[17:45:48] <Avatar> what is snapshot
[17:45:57] <kefka> you did read the FAQ right?
[17:46:00] <Avatar> i know screenshot but not snapshot??
[17:46:06] <Avatar> yes but its all in english
[17:46:14] <kefka> that is true
[17:46:17] <Avatar> i can speak english buut not soooo good
[17:46:19] <Avatar> i am german
[17:46:22] <kefka> ah
[17:46:25] <Avatar> and 14 years old
[17:46:28] <Avatar> 14!!!
[17:46:31] <Avatar> a child
[17:46:33] <kefka> i only speak english and spanish (a little)
[17:46:52] <Avatar> who old are you??
[17:46:53] <kefka> snapshot == newest build of Exult
[17:46:57] <kefka> i am 20
[17:46:59] <Cless|Away> download this: http://exult.sourceforge.net/snapshots/Exultwin32.exe
[17:47:00] <Avatar> ohhhhhh
[17:47:05] <Avatar> ok i do
[17:48:00] <Avatar> what can i do with SNAPSHOT ????????
[17:48:04] <kefka> rofl
[17:48:11] <Avatar> i am 14
[17:48:12] <kefka> they are good for scrapbooks
[17:48:18] <Avatar> remember
[17:48:23] <Avatar> WHAT???
[17:48:27] <Avatar> scrapgobf?
[17:48:33] <Avatar> EXPLAIN!!!!!!!
[17:48:35] <Cless|Away> the snapshot is like the latest version of exult
[17:48:39] <Avatar> CLESS EXPLAIN
[17:48:43] <Avatar> ahh
[17:48:53] <kefka> <kefka> snapshot == newest build of Exult
[17:48:55] <Avatar> what can i do with SNAPSHOT??
[17:49:00] <Avatar> build??
[17:49:07] <Avatar> i have got 1.9034 BETA
[17:49:09] <Cless|Away> no, it's precompiled for windows
[17:49:11] <Avatar> or so
[17:49:22] <Avatar> wait i look
[17:49:38] <Cless|Away> i imagine you've got 0.96 Beta 1
[17:49:45] <Avatar> 0.96 Beta 1
[17:49:48] <Avatar> yes
[17:49:52] <Avatar> and what is snapshot
[17:49:54] <kefka> that is very old
[17:49:57] <Avatar> 0.97???
[17:50:00] <Avatar> ohh
[17:50:01] <kefka> no
[17:50:08] <Avatar> and snapshot is 1.00
[17:50:10] <kefka> no
[17:50:14] <kefka> ok..
[17:50:17] <Avatar> what then????
[17:50:25] <Cless|Away> snapshots are all called 0.97cvs
[17:50:31] <kefka> you can't release a new version everyday right?
[17:50:37] <kefka> its too much work
[17:50:38] <Avatar> yes
[17:50:57] <kefka> so all of the latest source code is compiled by the devs
[17:51:01] <kefka> and called a snapshot
[17:51:08] <Avatar> ahh
[17:51:13] <Avatar> i must install that
[17:51:17] <Avatar> over my old version??
[17:51:22] <Cless|Away> yeah
[17:51:26] <Avatar> ahh
[17:51:42] <Avatar> i must delet nothing yeah???
[17:51:55] <Avatar> deleat
[17:51:59] <kefka> delete
[17:52:00] <Cless|Away> nope, you don't need to delete anything
[17:52:03] <Avatar> i mean Löschen
[17:52:08] <Avatar> ahh ok
[17:52:11] <kefka> Loschen?
[17:52:15] <Avatar> who old are you Cless???
[17:52:18] <Avatar> Löschen
[17:52:24] <Avatar> Löschen = delete
[17:52:28] <Cless|Away> i am 21
[17:52:36] <Avatar> ohh i am 14
[17:52:38] --- Cless|Away is now known as Colourless
[17:52:43] <kefka> ah.. i don't have the funny o on my keyboard without going to ASCII codes..
[17:52:45] <Avatar> you can be my parents
[17:53:00] <Colourless> i really don't think so
[17:53:05] <Avatar> i have got a german tastaur layout
[17:53:26] <Avatar> ohh
[17:53:45] <Avatar> ok 85% from Exultwin32.exe???
[17:53:57] <kefka> you tell me
[17:54:20] <kefka> I am not gay first of all, and i don't think Colourless is either
[17:54:21] <Colourless> run the file once you have downloaded it. then run it. it will install the new version
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[17:54:32] <kefka> rofl
[17:54:50] <Colourless> interesting character :-)
[17:54:55] <kefka> that was the most interesting conversation i have had in a while
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[17:55:03] <kefka> uh oh
[17:55:08] <Colourless> run the file once you have downloaded it. then run it. it will install the new version
[17:55:09] <Avatar> sorry
[17:55:14] <Avatar> ok
[17:55:18] <Avatar> DOWNLOAD COMPLETE
[17:55:30] <Avatar> ok i start it
[17:56:03] <Avatar> FULLINSTALLATION ?? UPDATE EXULT??
[17:56:12] <Avatar> CUSTOM???
[17:56:13] <Colourless> update
[17:56:16] <Avatar> ahh ok
[17:56:27] <Avatar> that was all
[17:56:31] <Avatar> finish
[17:56:36] <Avatar> hm
[17:56:39] <Avatar> and now??
[17:56:54] <Colourless> just run exult
[17:56:58] <Avatar> ok
[17:57:18] <Avatar> ahh not 0.96 beta
[17:57:24] <Avatar> 0.97 CVS
[17:57:25] <Avatar> ahh
[17:57:45] <Avatar> and there are less bugs????
[17:57:53] <Colourless> yes there should be less
[17:57:58] <Avatar> ahh
[17:57:59] <Avatar> good
[17:58:04] <Avatar> any new functions??
[17:58:07] <Avatar> cheats??
[17:58:10] <kefka> read the changelog
[17:58:10] <Colourless> no
[17:58:15] <Avatar> ohh
[17:58:16] <Avatar> ok
[17:58:17] <Avatar> and
[17:58:21] <Avatar> one question
[17:58:25] <kefka> (hopefully the length won't crash your browser)
[17:58:32] <Avatar> hehe
[17:58:42] <Avatar> one your website
[17:58:47] <Avatar> are MANY download
[17:58:48] <Avatar> s
[17:58:53] <Avatar> Exult studio??
[17:58:56] <Avatar> what is it???
[17:59:02] <kefka> map editing
[17:59:05] <Colourless> an editor
[17:59:11] <Avatar> cool
[17:59:14] <Avatar> i download it
[17:59:31] <kefka> i think a windows version came out a couple days ago or something too
[17:59:47] <Avatar> i download now EXULT STUDIO
[17:59:57] <Avatar> what can i do with EXULT STUDIO????
[17:59:58] <Colourless> don't download it. it doesn't work very well yet. and there are no docs on how to use it
[18:00:13] <Avatar> ohh ok
[18:00:17] <Avatar> i have canceld
[18:00:21] <Avatar> i will a map editor
[18:00:27] <Avatar> or something else for U7
[18:00:30] <Avatar> TOOOLLLSs
[18:00:36] <Avatar> i will tools for U8
[18:00:38] <Avatar> U7
[18:00:40] <Avatar> i meand
[18:00:41] <kefka> hammers and wrenches?
[18:00:46] <Avatar> TOOLLss
[18:00:50] <Colourless> you don't need the tools
[18:01:01] <kefka> yeah tools.. saws and pliers
[18:01:05] <Avatar> Photo shop plugin?????????????????
[18:01:20] <Avatar> FREE BSD ???????????????????
[18:01:25] <Colourless> unless you want to create/edit shapes you don't need that either
[18:01:39] <Avatar> I WILL CREAT SHAPES
[18:01:49] <Avatar> i need phozo shop plugin??
[18:01:59] <Colourless> do you have photoshop?
[18:02:00] <kefka> why did you use 17 question marks in your first question
[18:02:05] <kefka> and 19 in your second?
[18:02:12] <Avatar> yes
[18:02:16] <Avatar> ANSWER MA
[18:02:17] <Avatar> ME
[18:02:19] <Avatar> EXPLAIN
[18:02:20] <Avatar> TELL
[18:02:23] <Avatar> TALK TO ME
[18:02:25] <Avatar> SAY
[18:02:50] <kefka> are we playing the synonym game?
[18:02:55] <kefka> ok my turn
[18:03:05] <Colourless> OH NO MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK
[18:03:05] <kefka> Oratate
[18:03:25] <kefka> uh oh.. my 'u' key is broken Colorless
[18:03:32] <kefka> er oops
[18:03:34] <kefka> lol
[18:03:46] <Colourless> nice try, but it was really pathetic :-)
[18:03:46] <Avatar> i must go eat
[18:03:49] <Avatar> BYE
[18:03:49] <Avatar> CU
[18:03:56] <Colourless> bye
[18:03:57] <Avatar> i come in few minutes
[18:03:59] <Avatar> cu
[18:04:03] <kefka> we can't wait
[18:04:16] <kefka> ..
[18:04:45] <kefka> (expressionally... not literally...)
[18:05:57] <kefka> hmmm.. being up for 23 hours...
[18:05:59] * Colourless thinks for a second.... na, i *wont* do *it*
[18:06:21] <-- Avatar was kicked from #Exult by Colourless (Colourless)
[18:06:33] <Colourless> oops. finger slipped :-)
[18:06:36] <kefka> lol
[18:07:58] <Colourless> seems i abuse my ops privledges here too :-)
[18:08:05] <kefka> must have been a gremlin...
[18:09:02] <kefka> he'll be back.. and YOU will have to EXPALIN why he was kicked
[18:09:43] --- Colourless is now known as nameless
[18:09:48] --- nameless takes channel operator status from nameless
[18:10:08] <nameless> Will I? :-)
[18:10:12] <kefka> hahah
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[18:12:02] <wjp> hi
[18:12:13] <nameless> oh, wjp is joining for the fun! :-)
[18:12:16] <kefka> rofl
[18:12:46] <nameless> hi wjp
[18:13:00] <kefka> i think wjp lets ethics get in the way of fun though..
[18:13:03] <kefka> too bad...
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[18:13:34] <kefka> hahahah
[18:15:02] <nameless> wjp: any idea how to get the forum to renumber all the topics? things kind of got messed up when i deleted algebraic number theory
[18:15:51] <wjp> how is it messed up?
[18:15:56] <kefka> the shiny ass gets its revenge!!
[18:16:02] <wjp> oh, reply counts
[18:16:07] <nameless> yeah :-)
[18:16:17] <nameless> i don't think Serpent Teeth Missing is quite 'that' popular :-)
[18:16:17] <kefka> it has cast a curse upon you and your decendants
[18:16:34] <wjp> I've seen this before, actually
[18:18:31] <nameless> can it be fixed?
[18:18:49] <kefka> there is only one way... restore the ass and all shall be forgiven
[18:19:07] <nameless> the ass is forever lost to the void
[18:19:46] <kefka> a dark day indeed...
[18:19:57] <wjp> nameless: of course it 'can' be fixed :-)
[18:20:35] <nameless> that doesn't sound too optimistic
[18:21:42] <wjp> I don't get how this could happen, actually
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[18:21:57] <Avatar> hi
[18:22:01] <Avatar> i am back
[18:22:01] <wjp> do you have the threadid of the thread you deleted?
[18:22:01] <wjp> hi
[18:22:15] <Avatar> i have downloaded OpenBSD 2.9 Binary
[18:22:19] <kefka> you guys just don't get it do you!?! Its the ass.. you have defaced the ass and you will all pay the price..
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[18:22:54] <kefka> Fie! Fie!!!!
[18:23:10] <Avatar> fie?
[18:23:21] <kefka> Fie!!!
[18:23:24] <Avatar> wjp?????
[18:23:26] <Avatar> hi
[18:23:36] <wjp> means something like "bad!"
[18:23:45] <Avatar> are you the webmaster??
[18:23:52] <Avatar> where are you wjp???
[18:23:57] <kefka> He is the Keymaster
[18:24:02] <kefka> and Colourless is the Gatekeeper
[18:24:17] <wjp> there's no webmaster, really. We all do a little bit of webpage updating
[18:24:37] <nameless> except colourles
[18:24:37] <nameless> s
[18:24:47] * wjp is in the Netherlands, if that's what you mean
[18:24:53] <nameless> he just moderates the forums... poorly
[18:24:58] <Avatar> ahh you one from the inventors??????
[18:25:15] <Avatar> are you the inventor?
[18:25:24] <Avatar> from EXULT
[18:25:31] <wjp> I'm an exult programmer, yes
[18:25:37] <Avatar> BOAH
[18:25:39] <wjp> not _the_, though
[18:25:39] <Avatar> HI
[18:25:41] <kefka> Avatar: Do you worship a large obsidian monolith?
[18:25:44] <wjp> you need Jeff for that :-)
[18:26:05] <kefka> Avatar: Or what about a Coke bottle?
[18:26:10] <Avatar> BOAH A REAL PROGRAMMER FROM EXULT !!!!! HELLO
[18:26:11] <wjp> nameless: do you have the threadid of 'the' thread?
[18:26:20] <nameless> yeah I might
[18:26:24] <wjp> Avatar: any chance you could press the caps lock key again?
[18:26:32] <nameless> should be in my broswer history
[18:26:34] <Avatar> ohh
[18:26:38] <Avatar> ok
[18:26:46] <Avatar> wjp !!!
[18:26:59] <Avatar> Exult rulez!
[18:27:02] <Avatar> yesss
[18:27:27] <Avatar> When comes the new version??
[18:27:33] <Avatar> and i have find a bug
[18:27:34] <nameless> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=148&t=148
[18:27:41] <Avatar> and what is Exult Studio
[18:27:44] <Avatar> and CVS??
[18:27:55] <Avatar> And these libarys???
[18:27:58] <Avatar> EXPLAIN
[18:28:00] <nameless> hmm, the entire thread can still be read, except for the first 2 posts
[18:28:30] <kefka> Avatar: If you were Miss Germany, what would be your dream?
[18:28:57] <Avatar> i am Mr. GERMANY
[18:29:12] <kefka> ok then
[18:29:37] <wjp> nameless: yes, most posts are still in the DB
[18:30:54] <kefka> Avatar: Is a glass half empty or half full?
[18:31:07] <wjp> Exult Studio: an editor for Exult we're working on. Work in progress.
[18:31:21] <wjp> CVS: a system we use to keep track of the Exult source code
[18:31:42] <wjp> EXPLAIN: a capitalized imperative form of a verb
[18:32:12] <kefka> Avatar: Who would you rather bang, Maggie Thatcher or Tony Blair?
[18:32:43] <nameless> oi! quit it!
[18:33:05] <nameless> he also want to know what the sdl libraries are :-)
[18:33:20] <wjp> oh, oops. Missed one
[18:33:40] <wjp> libraries: SDL: a library we use for cross-platform input and output
[18:34:34] <Avatar> ahh
[18:34:35] <Avatar> hmm
[18:34:39] <Avatar> but i am german
[18:34:42] <kefka> Avatar: what about it?
[18:34:45] <Avatar> and my english is not the best
[18:34:48] <kefka> answer the question
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[18:36:02] <wjp> nameless: it's strange... the SQL query phorum uses returns "| 3989 | 11 | 2002-02-12 09:18:03 | 4212 |" for the row that claims it has 249 replies
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[18:36:13] <kefka> Avatar: Who was the better Stooge? Curly or Shemp?
[18:36:15] <-- kefka was kicked from #exult by Colourless (i said stop t)
[18:36:16] <wjp> (where the "11" is the number of replies)
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[18:36:33] <kefka> pfft
[18:36:35] <wjp> correction: number of posts
[18:36:44] <kefka> you're ruining my interview
[18:36:59] <Colourless> can the page be regenerated
[18:37:09] <Colourless> kafka: sorry
[18:37:15] <kefka> its kefka
[18:37:24] <Avatar> hmm
[18:37:25] <kefka> and those are all legitimate questions
[18:37:26] <Colourless> sorry again kefka
[18:37:39] <kefka> i'm sure you've been asked those before
[18:37:46] <Avatar> hmmmmm
[18:37:51] <wjp> I'm really wondering where that 250 is coming from
[18:38:16] <Colourless> posting a new post to a topic fixes that topic
[18:39:10] <kefka> Avatar: if you have questions, you could try asking in #debian
[18:39:19] <kefka> i'm sure they'd appreciate the chance to help you out
[18:39:33] <wjp> kefka: enough is enough. Stop it
[18:39:51] <kefka> pfft.. whatever..
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[18:40:17] <Colourless> could the index be cached somewhere?
[18:40:52] <Avatar> hey I HAVE FIND A BUG
[18:41:06] <wjp> what bug?
[18:41:44] <wjp> Colourless: from looking at the phorum sources, it doesn't look like it
[18:42:07] <Colourless> so how does it generate the html?
[18:42:48] <wjp> it's a bit complex
[18:42:54] <Colourless> :-)
[18:43:20] <wjp> it looks ok, though
[18:43:57] <Colourless> cause what seems to have happened is all the topics names got moved up when the topic was deleted, but nothing else did (last post time is incorrect too)
[18:50:42] <wjp> hm... it seems the "message data" and the "thread data" are passed to the display function in two separate arrays
[18:51:34] <wjp> those two probably got out-of-synch somewhere...
[18:51:59] <wjp> I'm guessing that is because there are posts with threadid=X, while there is no message with msgid=X
[18:52:44] <wjp> so... the delete thread code is broken
[18:53:27] * wjp nods...
[18:53:43] <wjp> Yes... deleting the orphaned posts "fixed" it
[18:57:02] <wjp> wow... it took mysql 2.18 seconds to delete the orphaned posts
[18:57:15] <wjp> and another 1.81 for the message bodies
[18:59:28] <Avatar> I HAVE A DREAM
[18:59:42] <Avatar> THAT ONE DAY WE ALL CAN PLAY U7 TOGETHER
[18:59:46] <Avatar> I HAVE A DREAM
[19:00:09] <Avatar> THAT ONE DAY WE HAVE AN MULTIPLAYER MODE FOR U7!!!!
[19:00:12] <Avatar> I HAVE A DREAM
[19:00:30] <kefka-gone> ... and you were bitching at me...
[19:00:46] <Colourless> well :-)
[19:00:52] <Avatar> THAT ONE DAY WE ALL COULD PLAY IN ONE BIG WORLD
[19:00:58] <Avatar> I HAVE A DREAM
[19:01:05] * wjp thinks Avatar is a little over-enthusiastic
[19:01:22] <Avatar> THAT ALL WHO THINK LIKE ME SUPPORT MY VISION
[19:01:27] <Avatar> I HAVE A DREAM
[19:01:37] <Colourless> MY FINGER IS STUCK ON MY SHIFT KEY! I CAN'T GET IT OFF! HELP ME!
[19:01:52] <Avatar> you must read it
[19:02:08] <Avatar> when you help me or help me not
[19:02:18] <Avatar> i will !
[19:02:43] <Avatar> i will be the one
[19:03:01] <Avatar> you will remember my name
[19:04:46] <wjp> grumbles at mysql's inability to do nested queries
[19:05:09] <wjp> any idea how you can let mysql filter out _all_ orphaned posts?
[19:05:33] <Colourless> are you talking to me?
[19:05:39] <wjp> nobody in particular
[19:05:48] <Avatar> hä?
[19:05:54] <Colourless> well, good, cause I know nothing about mysql
[19:10:55] <wjp> ok... the number of posts with threadid equal to the id of an existing post is equal to the number of posts. ie. no orphaned posts
[19:12:46] <Avatar> hey i have test the change sharp
[19:12:50] <Avatar> in SI
[19:12:53] <Avatar> that goes not
[19:13:09] <Avatar> when i save with the paladin sharpe and load i am the avatar
[19:13:14] <Colourless> use polymorph
[19:13:23] <Avatar> polymorph??
[19:13:24] <Colourless> that's under the 'flags' menu
[19:13:26] <Avatar> what is it???
[19:13:27] <Avatar> ok
[19:14:07] <Avatar> you mean NPC flags?????
[19:14:11] <Colourless> yeha
[19:14:35] <Avatar> and then
[19:14:36] <Avatar> slepp
[19:14:38] <Avatar> sleep
[19:14:39] <Avatar> walk
[19:14:40] <Avatar> hmm
[19:14:45] <Avatar> poisend
[19:14:47] <Avatar> ...
[19:15:09] <wjp> "Polymo"
[19:15:15] <wjp> the key is 2
[19:15:21] <Avatar> ahh
[19:15:22] <Avatar> ok
[19:15:30] <Avatar> what means polymo
[19:15:35] <Avatar> then i am the paladin
[19:15:44] <Avatar> and that will be not changed?
[19:15:50] <Colourless> no
[19:15:56] <Avatar> hmm
[19:18:45] <Avatar> yes it works
[19:18:47] <Avatar> THX
[19:18:56] <Avatar> wich part is better??
[19:19:01] <Avatar> Part I or II ???
[19:19:12] <Colourless> depends who you ask
[19:19:15] <Avatar> wich part do you like better???
[19:19:19] <Colourless> 2
[19:19:24] <wjp> me too
[19:19:28] <Avatar> CU
[19:19:41] <Avatar> i must go now
[19:19:42] <Avatar> but
[19:19:43] <Avatar> gmm
[19:19:45] <Avatar> hmm
[19:19:48] <Avatar> i like 1 better
[19:19:55] <Avatar> that is in Britannia
[19:20:08] <Avatar> in part 2 you are on this boring island
[19:20:11] <Avatar> CU
[19:20:16] <wjp> bye
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[19:29:54] <Colourless> time to me to go
[19:30:12] <Colourless> cya
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