#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 12 Feb 2004 (GMT)

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[00:26:13] * wjp hacked up crossbow into a triple crossbow
[00:27:11] <Darke> Oi! You're a programmer, you're not allowed to do art! Put that graphics program down and step away from the keyboard immediately!
[00:27:33] <wjp> you know you really want to do some paperdoll art too ;-)
[00:28:11] * wjp suggest some nice hoods
[00:28:33] <Darke> I will never succumb!
[00:28:55] * Darke denies lusting after a graphics tablet recently, so he can start drawing again. Nope! Definately wasn't!
[00:29:40] <wjp> oh really? then what are all these graphics tablet pages in your browser history?
[00:30:41] <wjp> and I'm sure you just happened to have that u7 gimp plugin installed accidentally ;-)
[00:31:14] <Darke> Darnit! I knew I should have bought that evidence eraser thing! Now everyone will know of my like of graphics tablet pr0n! Oh the shame! Oh the HUMILIATION!
[00:31:40] * Darke doesn't *know* what you're talking about!
[00:31:58] <wjp> I'm sure people will forgive you if you draw a nice couple of paperdoll items
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[00:32:48] <Baastuul> Hullo.
[00:32:51] <wjp> hi
[00:33:02] <Baastuul> How's it going?
[00:33:42] <Darke> wjp: Never! I will not be blackmailed into such a depraved activity, such as drawing paperdolls!
[00:33:56] <Darke> Not too bad. I'm having fun overdramatizing stuff. *grin*
[00:34:00] <wjp> Darke: awwww... pretty pretty please? :-)
[00:34:22] <Baastuul> Oh... I just uploaded my Ultima 7 site last night. Been working on it for 11 days. It's not complete yet, but would you guys care to take a peek?
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[00:35:40] <wjp> sure :-)
[00:35:53] <Baastuul> http://baastuul.digital-focus.us/web/index.html
[00:36:23] <Baastuul> The armor and weapons charts seriously took me forever. :)
[00:36:36] <Baastuul> I still need to find pictures of burst and love arrows though.
[00:36:40] <Baastuul> And lucky arrows.
[00:37:05] <wjp> in bunches of how many do you want them? :-)
[00:37:25] <Baastuul> 100 wouldn't be bad ;)
[00:37:35] <Baastuul> But I don't think there are that many in the actual game
[00:37:37] <wjp> unscaled?
[00:37:44] <Baastuul> Just whatever gets them into the fattest bunch
[00:37:49] <Baastuul> What do you mean by unscaled?
[00:37:50] <wjp> oh, I'll just cheat badly :-)
[00:37:54] <Baastuul> heheh
[00:39:47] <wjp> do you mind a blueish background?
[00:40:00] <wjp> hm, never mind, actually
[00:40:33] <Baastuul> Whatever background is fine, I just usually crop them and put them on a transparent background :)
[00:40:44] <Baastuul> Very arduous and tedious pixel-by-pixel cropping
[00:40:47] <Baastuul> But usually a good end result
[00:41:04] <servus> What do you need, wjp?
[00:41:25] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/love_arrows.png
[00:41:36] <wjp> servus: see the 'paperdoll art' thread on the forum
[00:41:39] <servus> Oh you cad you
[00:41:50] <servus> Love arrows, valentines, I get the hint, but you're just not my type ;0
[00:42:10] <Baastuul> Awesome, thank you wjp :)
[00:42:24] <wjp> hm, wait a sec
[00:42:28] <wjp> those were scaled
[00:42:33] * servus looks for a forum
[00:43:40] * Dark-Star looks around the site
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[00:44:22] <servus> Okay. Is there a list of things already done?
[00:44:33] <Dark-Star> oh I didn't know that Dan Simpson did a guide for Ultima VII too. I only know his guides for the Baldur's Gate series, they're pretty detailed
[00:44:35] <servus> Oh, btw... http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/uolinux.jpg :D
[00:44:56] <Baastuul> Yeah... Dan Simpson's guide for U7 is pretty darn detailed
[00:45:18] <wjp> ok, let's see:
[00:45:20] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/love_arrows.png
[00:45:23] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/lucky_arrows.png
[00:45:26] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/burst_arrows.png
[00:45:56] <wjp> I re-did love_arrows.png; it's now unscaled
[00:46:40] <Baastuul> Cool! Thanks a bunch once again :)
[00:46:51] <Dark-Star> hmm such a feature would be nice for exult, too: to have a black "border" around the main game screen where you can leave some gumps open all the time
[00:46:53] <wjp> no problem :-)
[00:46:55] <servus> OK, I will draw a few if you tell me what not to draw, wjp
[00:47:07] <servus> Dark-Star: :)
[00:47:38] <wjp> servus: the ones in that 'paperdoll art' thread all need to be done, except those marked 'done by (someone)'
[00:47:47] <servus> Also, if wjp is interested in redone UW art::: http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/uw3-1.jpg
[00:47:55] <wjp> servus: uo in wine?
[00:47:58] <servus> Quick little sketchup:)
[00:48:10] <servus> Yep, wjp. What makes it interesting is that it runs flawlessly and is /faster/ than in Windows
[00:48:19] <wjp> which UO client is this?
[00:48:34] <servus> LBR 2D.
[00:49:36] <wjp> Baastuul: one small note about cheating in exult: ctrl-h gives a list of cheat keys
[00:50:06] <servus> We just need in-hand art right? Or in-hand and in-belt?
[00:50:14] <Dark-Star> Baastuul: you have a mouse pointer on that screenshot: http://baastuul.digital-focus.us/web/screenshots/012.jpg ;-)
[00:50:18] <Baastuul> Ahh, okay.. thanks. It's been a while since I've actually spent time cheating in U7 in DOS... In fact, it's been a while since I even played U7 in DOS. ;)
[00:50:46] <Baastuul> Dark-Star: Huh, that's odd... I wonder how that got there ;)
[00:50:49] <wjp> Baastuul: Ctrl-H is in Exult :-)
[00:51:05] <Baastuul> Oh :)
[00:51:06] <Dark-Star> there too: http://baastuul.digital-focus.us/web/screenshots/003.jpg
[00:51:16] <Baastuul> Was Ctrl-H also in U7 when played just regularly in DOS?
[00:51:29] <Dark-Star> and on 004 also
[00:51:39] <Baastuul> Dark-Star: I think I may actually replace all those screenshots eventually. The colors are off in them for some odd reason as you can tell.
[00:51:41] <wjp> servus: are you looking at the (1 post long) thread named "Paperdoll Art" ?
[00:51:54] <wjp> servus: it lists for each item which versions we need
[00:52:07] <servus> Oh, I'm going blind then
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[00:52:14] <Baastuul> Hullo, MisterP.
[00:52:28] <wjp> I think WishStone is working on one of the sword-like thingies, btw
[00:52:38] <servus> Eh, I can finish these all in a few hours.
[00:53:04] <MisterP> Hi
[00:53:38] <wjp> servus: if you could do some of them, that would be great :-)
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[00:54:14] <servus> Alright then, I'll go down the list of clothing
[00:55:12] <Baastuul> Hullo, Kirben.
[00:55:33] <wjp> servus: do you need any additional info?
[00:55:43] <wjp> (I have to leave soon)
[00:55:43] <Kirben> Hi
[00:55:47] <Baastuul> Oh yeah... I need to get flaming oil added to the weapons list. I don't know if I'll add candles and the various light sources that can be used as weapons. :p
[00:55:49] <wjp> (soon, as in, 2 hours ago :-) )
[00:55:59] <servus> wjp: Don't think so... I'll do a few of the clothing and the musket.
[00:56:26] <wjp> the pants need male and female versions, btw
[00:56:36] <servus> I see.
[00:56:58] <servus> I'll do all the clothing now, then. Enough talking :)
[00:57:03] <wjp> thank you :-)
[00:57:12] * wjp will go sleep, then :-)
[00:57:24] <Baastuul> See ya, wjp. Thanks again for the help :)
[00:57:29] <wjp> g'night
[00:58:14] <servus> Night
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[01:27:49] * servus would like to know why the GIMP is refusing to let him edit
[02:06:47] <servus> The grayish-checkered looking pants -- suppose that's a rough wool texture?
[02:06:54] <servus> Otherwise I'm nearly done with it all :-)
[02:29:14] <servus> All of this foolishly fluffy 1980's hair the avatars have makes hoods look stupid! Would you mind if I made a "mask" of the background brown colour around the hoods? :)
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[02:44:42] <servus> Ooh, done. Neat
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[04:01:24] <servus> Hlo Baastuul.
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[04:19:59] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/paperdolls.jpg
[04:20:15] <servus> All in the proper palette, all stuck in layers, etc.
[04:28:12] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/paperdolls.xcf if you have GIMP, that's the layered-out 8-bit version in the proper palette.
[04:28:14] <servus> I sure am spammy.
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[06:25:11] <servus> exit
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[09:23:24] <wjp> servus: the hair of the characters isn't drawn entirely when they're wearing a helmet (or hood)
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[13:14:49] <WishStone> Huhu all
[13:14:51] <wjp> 'ello
[13:15:04] <WishStone> *opens PSP again*
[13:17:55] <WishStone> Okay, you did the xbow, wjp...
[13:18:02] <WishStone> good, i wouldn't have dared that ;D
[13:22:35] <wjp> bbl
[13:23:02] <WishStone> enjoy :P
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[15:10:31] <Ixanimir> erro?
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[15:54:59] <WishStone> GRRRRRRRR
[15:55:31] <wjp> gr?
[15:56:34] <WishStone> grrrrrrr!!
[15:56:47] <WishStone> Volunteers in UO bausing their powers...
[15:56:55] <WishStone> Makes me MAD! Specially because I'm one myself
[15:57:04] <wjp> yeah... gives all volunteers a bad name
[15:58:12] <WishStone> I said: Look yous, you need to REPORT him if you know he's a vol and abusing his powers!!
[15:58:29] <WishStone> But all they say is: Bah, GMs wouldn't care... they don't even TRY to *GRRRRRR*
[15:58:41] * wjp sighs
[15:58:55] <wjp> no wonder some volunteers try to get away with it
[16:00:38] <WishStone> It makes me specially angry becuase I never abused my powers, wouldn`t dream about it, but because of such asshole, people frown at me >.[
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[16:06:26] <Colourless> hi
[16:06:29] <WishStone> huhu
[16:06:54] <wjp> hi
[16:10:01] * WishStone suddenly has a strike of amazement
[16:10:18] <WishStone> What do you know... my lips are soft... don't you dare laugh, this is rare to me :P
[16:10:49] * wjp doesn't have a clue what to say to that :-)
[16:11:13] <WishStone> When I was a kid I taught myself to ignore needs... hunger, hugs, thrist... and perfected it so badly that, unless someone else reminds me to, I don't eat or drink properly...
[16:11:57] <WishStone> as a side effect to that, my lips, elbos, the skin under my eyes are constandly dry and ripping up to the point of bleeding. Guess I must have drunk nicely last 2 days :D
[16:12:18] <Colourless> I drink, hell if i eat though :-)
[16:12:33] <WishStone> Forget, not hungry or don't want to, colour?
[16:14:02] <Colourless> out of those, it would have to be "don't want to" but usually can be summed up better with "can't be bothered"
[16:14:56] <Colourless> example: on a good day, i actually eat 2 meals :-)
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[16:16:26] <WishStone> *LOL* Awww, come one, eating isn't THAT difficult, want me to teach you how to fry an egg? ;D
[16:16:43] <Colourless> oh, I can do that :-)
[16:16:59] <Colourless> you see though, the stove is in the kitchen, and i'm in here
[16:17:28] <WishStone> Get a micrwave?
[16:17:31] <WishStone> Sandwichmaker?
[16:17:39] <Colourless> you see, similar problem :-)
[16:17:47] <Colourless> got both of those too :-)
[16:18:00] <WishStone> but in the kitchen? :P
[16:18:14] <Colourless> yes, exactly!
[16:18:23] * WishStone has a sandwichmaker, waterboiler and a can opener in her room
[16:19:08] * WishStone has a sick rat in her lap
[16:19:10] <WishStone> poor darling :\
[16:19:44] <Colourless> quite likely a rather large proportion of my nutrirional intake comes from the above average intake of milk that i have
[16:19:59] <WishStone> Well, great, have milk, get cornflakes :P
[16:20:39] <Colourless> bah, cornflakes sounds like breakfast.... haven't had that in months :-)
[16:21:01] <WishStone> oatmeal?
[16:22:18] <Colourless> don't try changing me. I am really really stubborn :-)
[16:22:54] * WishStone shrugs
[16:22:59] <Colourless> plus i'm a computer geek. Us types are really bad regarding food. Either have the eat too much types, or the eat almost none
[16:23:08] <WishStone> I study home economics, 8th semester now, what do you expect of me? :P
[16:24:54] <Colourless> :-)
[16:28:37] <WishStone> Just to proove that: I'm discussion meals with my best friend on ICQ atm ;]
[16:30:06] <Colourless> well, if i'm any indication, it's quite possible to exist only on dinner
[16:33:14] <WishStone> WishStone (5:36 PM) :
[16:33:15] <WishStone> Jeff taught me how to make a nice veggie lasangia a few weeks ago, if you'd like more veggies :P
[16:33:19] <WishStone> Nemo (5:39 PM) :
[16:33:19] <WishStone> blasphemy!
[16:33:19] <WishStone> lasagna and veggies doesn't go together!
[16:33:21] <WishStone> 
[16:33:28] <WishStone> Pfft, he just dosn't know what's good :P
[16:33:39] <Colourless> what a strange person
[16:33:45] <Colourless> (you that is)
[16:33:49] <WishStone> OI!
[16:33:52] * WishStone paddles Colourless for being naughty! 1 I can be naughty, too!!
[16:34:07] <Colourless> hey, veggie lasangia is something that i really don't like :-)
[16:34:20] <WishStone> Because you never tried MINE :D
[16:35:16] <Colourless> yeah... "here... try this, it's nice", is what they all say
[16:35:24] <Colourless> then you try it and almost die :-)
[16:36:02] <WishStone> Naaa, but your taste-butts would be in heaven after eating my food ;D
[16:36:36] <WishStone> 
[16:36:37] <WishStone> Nemo (5:43 PM) :
[16:36:37] <WishStone> still think it sounds a bit fishy :P
[16:36:37] <WishStone> WishStone (5:44 PM) :
[16:36:37] <WishStone> No, not fish, that's a lasangia with salmon and spninach... *drool* I'm getting hungry....
[16:36:37] <WishStone> 
[16:36:42] <Colourless> oh well, woe is me, I'm never going to find out :-)
[16:38:35] <Colourless> fish, now we're talking.... food's that i can't stand the smell of :-)
[16:39:12] <WishStone> *rolls eyes*
[16:39:15] <Colourless> veggies... fish... hmm, not really me. I'm, you know, one of those guys who really likes meat :-)
[16:39:35] <WishStone> I like meats as well, but I'm also in love with many foods ;D
[16:39:48] <WishStone> Hell, you should see me on a Grillabend ;D
[16:39:58] * WishStone grows fangs then and a thick fur
[16:40:31] <Colourless> :-)
[16:41:05] <WishStone> And I like my steak raw-blue ... so the red juice can soak into my baked potatoes :D
[16:41:31] <Colourless> sounds just wonderful... actually i mean it too :-)
[16:42:01] <Colourless> people have no idea how a good steak should be cooked
[16:42:22] <WishStone> Crisp and dark on the outside and bloody inside, that's how I do my steaks.
[16:42:36] <WishStone> (fried a moment in really hot veggie oil)
[16:44:11] <Colourless> :-)
[17:06:49] * wjp is getting hungry from all this food-talk
[17:06:56] <wjp> maybe I should go home for some dinner or something :-)
[17:07:39] * wjp is going to spend the night integrating paperdoll art into exult; yay :-)
[17:20:08] <Colourless> don't you hate me for giving people the option?
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[17:25:47] <wjp> option?
[17:26:01] <wjp> oh, BG paperdolls :-)
[17:30:11] <Colourless> :-)
[18:15:00] * wjp just loves tweaking paperdoll art :-)
[18:15:14] <wjp> add a pixel there, remove a pixel there, shift image a bit... *sigh* :-)
[18:15:22] <wjp> end result is worth it, luckily :-)
[18:16:17] <wjp> right, all three female pants done
[18:16:58] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[18:43:17] <wjp> back
[19:12:17] <wjp> hm, I think I'll make some more work for myself by making collars gender specific
[19:23:38] <Colourless> i'm off
[19:23:41] <wjp> night
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[20:27:37] * WishStone waves
[20:27:43] <wjp> hi again
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[21:35:43] <WishStone> huhu :]
[21:35:48] <wjp> hi
[21:35:55] <servus> Using my paperdoll art I hope? :)
[21:36:06] <wjp> I've integrated the pants and the collar into exult so far
[21:36:11] <wjp> thanks :-)
[21:36:13] <servus> You like the musket? :P
[21:36:40] <wjp> well, I think it still needs some retouching
[21:36:44] <servus> Eep!
[21:37:02] <wjp> it 'feels' different from the original SI art
[21:37:10] <servus> Maybe just a little then
[21:37:12] <WishStone> Could be because it'S BG? ;D
[21:37:13] <servus> Make it sparkly :)
[21:37:34] <wjp> I think one point is that the angle doesn't seem to be well suited to this resolution
[21:37:49] <servus> It /is/ a musket, though. Not many muskets in SI
[21:37:56] * servus grijnze
[21:38:09] <wjp> it seems to 'shift' (for lack of a better word) at a subpixel level
[21:38:14] <wjp> "grijnze"?
[21:38:25] <wjp> ("grijnst", if you means "grins" in dutch")
[21:38:26] <WishStone> eer... sub-pixel-level? *LOL*
[21:38:53] <servus> grijnzen Where i come from ;)
[21:39:00] <wjp> servus: that's the plural
[21:39:06] <servus> My dictionary lies!
[21:39:08] <servus> Lies!
[21:39:10] <WishStone> *LOL*
[21:39:20] <servus> It said it was a reflexive verb. Oh well
[21:39:42] <wjp> "grijnzen" is the infinitive or the plural form
[21:39:43] <servus> Which graypants do you prefer? I think they were going for wool in the original art, so I made GrayPants2 be wool
[21:40:05] <wjp> yeah, I liked the wool ones
[21:40:29] <servus> The hoods were also really hard to do. You'll notice I made a 'mask' of brown to match the paperdoll back and cover up hair... is that how it's supposed to be done? That's how UO does it
[21:40:34] <wjp> to explain sub-pixel level: the 'edge' looks thicker at the top than near the bottom
[21:40:53] <servus> That's because of the shading. I'll make a new version.
[21:40:56] <wjp> servus: the hair isn't drawn when the characters have a helmet/hood on
[21:41:05] <servus> The hair is a separate object!? Blah, ok :P
[21:41:19] <wjp> servus: well, actually there are two head shapes; one with hair and one without
[21:41:46] <servus> OK... I didn't know and you weren't here to tell me. I assume you can fix that yourself though... just delete the brown :-)
[21:42:13] <WishStone> Servus?
[21:42:36] <wjp> I was wondering if the hoods are supposed to show the entire face
[21:42:55] <wjp> or maybe they should cover the mouth
[21:42:59] <wjp> not really sure about that, though
[21:43:06] <wjp> (hard to tell from the 5x5 pixel in-game image :-) )
[21:43:28] <servus> I think I did a fairly accurate representation :)
[21:43:31] <servus> Yes WishStone?
[21:43:38] <WishStone> I made an addition to your musket. When I look at the original "item" graphic, it seems the musket is a long version of one with two wooden ...uh... Verstärkungen... enforcements?
[21:43:55] <WishStone> I'm still pushing some pixels around, the shading isn't correct...
[21:44:00] <WishStone> www.astroxys.de/exult/servus_musket.png
[21:45:13] <WishStone> ....*grabs a Babelfish*
[21:45:35] <wjp> reinforcements, maybe
[21:45:48] <WishStone> aaaaah, yes, thanks wjp
[21:45:51] <WishStone> had a blackout there
[21:45:59] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket.jpg like this one better?
[21:46:07] <servus> Wow, yours is... long :P
[21:46:21] <WishStone> Never seen a musket, servus? They are long...
[21:46:29] <servus> WishStone: "Army Of Darkness"
[21:46:38] <WishStone> That was the way they got speed back when the blackpowder wasn't as good as that of modern refiles
[21:46:55] <wjp> servus: hard to tell because of the .jpg artifacts :-)
[21:46:56] <servus> I think I made my rifle butt to be more like wjp was saying
[21:47:00] <servus> OK OK I'll bmp it
[21:47:46] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket.bmp
[21:48:10] <servus> Want it longer too, then?
[21:48:19] <servus> Anything else with the other clothing? The custom sword?
[21:48:28] <servus> Personally I'm least happy with the custom sword...
[21:48:36] <WishStone> Sword dosn't have a scabbard *grins*
[21:49:12] <servus> WishStone: You didn't buy one for it, and you can't ;)
[21:49:14] <wjp> hm, something about it doesn't quite feel right, but I can't put my finger on it
[21:49:21] <servus> The hilt is awry
[21:49:26] <servus> I need to redraw it
[21:49:29] <servus> Just don't use it
[21:49:49] <WishStone> Servus: I mentioned it becaus other swords arein a scabbert if you "belt" them.
[21:50:28] <wjp> I'd "borrow" the SI sword-on-belt graphics and modify the hilt :-)
[21:50:42] <servus> OK then
[21:51:12] <wjp> servus: oh, one thing: I can't draw the musket on your back at that point; the backpack will be drawn on top of it
[21:51:50] <wjp> (I guess that's a matter of flipping and shifting it a bit, though)
[21:52:06] <servus> wjp I was wondering about that, so I drew it in front of the backpack (you can remove the backpack), I figured you could delete the rest yourself if nede be
[21:53:08] <servus> OK, I think I have a musket you can both be happy with... Longer barrel, less dense butt
[21:53:12] <wjp> I meant the backpack is actually drawn after the weapon-on-back is drawn, so the backpack will overlap it no matter what happens
[21:53:35] <wjp> (which is why all weapons are shown behind the other shoulder)
[21:54:28] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket.bmp
[21:54:37] <servus> The right shoulder? (image left)
[21:54:56] <wjp> yes
[21:55:01] <servus> OK...
[21:58:47] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket.xcf new musket and musket-back
[21:59:18] * WishStone shuffles off to play more Heros III
[21:59:27] * wjp is really starting to have too many open gimp windows
[21:59:34] <servus> I have way too many posts here...
[21:59:38] <wjp> WishStone: enjoy :-)
[21:59:44] * servus waves to WishStone
[22:00:42] <wjp> hm, now the two 'thingies' (the brown parts) seem to be shapes differently
[22:00:49] <wjp> s/shapes/shaped/
[22:00:56] <servus> The rifle butts?
[22:01:01] <wjp> those, yes :-)
[22:01:13] * wjp wonders what the dutch word for that is
[22:01:24] <wjp> 'kolf', maybe
[22:01:59] <servus> anu
[22:02:22] <servus> Now can I grijnst?
[22:02:36] <wjp> you need the infinitive there :-)
[22:03:33] <servus> Oh I give up! I'm American, you should be happy I'm even trying :-)
[22:04:14] <wjp> :-)
[22:04:18] <wjp> you have a point there ;-)
[22:04:57] <wjp> ah, I think I found the reason why the musket/sword feel like they have a different style than the SI items
[22:05:16] <wjp> the long, straight sections of weapons in the original SI art are all perfectly smooth
[22:05:33] <wjp> (basically the same section of about 3x2 pixels repeated)
[22:05:50] <wjp> your musket looks more 'real', which makes it look out of place a bit
[22:06:22] <wjp> whether you consider that a bad thing is up to you :-)
[22:07:02] <servus> Ah
[22:07:12] <servus> Well I can 'fix' that
[22:07:29] <servus> My behind-the-back rifle fits the first one more closely, but also looks a bit like a club now
[22:14:03] <wjp> hm, you could try darkening the lighter shades of brown a bit, to make it seems less round
[22:14:28] <wjp> s/less round/flatter/, is probably the better way of saying that :-)
[22:14:57] <servus> I am currently cartoonifying the musket
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[22:23:16] <servus> Want to keep the wood strip on the bottom?
[22:25:22] <wjp> hm, depends on how it looks :-)
[22:25:45] <wjp> if it takes up a full row of pixels it might be too big
[22:29:55] <servus> The cartoony look I think you were going for: http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket3.bmp
[22:30:25] <servus> (With a very thin wood strip on the bottom)
[22:37:08] <wjp> ah, yes, that looks much more like the rest of the SI art
[22:38:12] <wjp> last nag: I wonder if it would look better when the barrel (?) is one pixel thinner?
[22:38:22] <wjp> I don't really know how muskets are supposed to look, though
[22:38:32] <wjp> this might be right too
[22:39:03] * wjp googles for muskets
[22:39:07] <servus> You have a Steve Jobs-like obsession about this
[22:39:21] <servus> Uh oh, you're going to see some monstrous thing on the Internet and say "That! That!" :P
[22:39:21] <wjp> yeah, a bit, I guess :-)
[22:40:03] <servus> I really hate this GIMP concept of 'layer boundaries'... I wish I knew how to turn them off
[22:41:14] <wjp> 'layer to imagesize'?
[22:44:25] <servus> It still requires you to do something, and it can't be done preemptively.
[22:44:51] <servus> Say I want to rotate an sublayer inside a layer... I have to manually resize the parent layer before I rotate, or it crops the sublayer! That's a Pain.
[22:44:58] <servus> Little things like that... :)
[22:45:09] <servus> I got a behind-the-back musket I'm happy with
[22:48:35] <servus> The cartoony look I think you were going for: http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/musket3.xcf normal in hand, behind-the-back, and skinny in hand
[22:50:02] * wjp is happy now :-)
[22:50:08] <wjp> thanks
[22:50:29] <wjp> I'll try to get it into exult tomorrow night
[22:51:24] <servus> Otay. Anything else? Those took me about an hour (for the 'rough cut' at least
[22:52:28] <wjp> I think we're getting pretty close to having paperdoll art for every BG item :-)
[22:52:59] <wjp> nice 'surprise' between 1.1.9rc1 and 1.2 :-)
[22:53:13] <servus> How are you currently doing paperdolls in BG?
[22:53:49] <wjp> what do you mean?
[22:54:06] <servus> If I enable paperdolls in BG and equip the musket, what does it show?
[22:54:10] <servus> Ohhh do you need a hawk? :)
[22:54:21] <servus> I'd like to draw the hawk in your belt. It'd be real scared-looking ;)
[22:54:46] <wjp> currently it shows the musket with the in-game graphics, with a little blue line connecting it to your hand
[22:54:54] <wjp> (kind of like the original BG)
[22:55:06] <servus> Oh
[22:55:11] <servus> Need a hawk?
[22:55:32] <wjp> my attempt: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/hawk2.png
[22:56:33] <wjp> it might be a bit too 'fat' looking
[22:56:36] <servus> Heh I just saw that
[22:56:47] <servus> Where'd you get the hawk? It looks digitized :)
[22:57:00] <wjp> google image search for hawk :-)
[22:57:17] <servus> So you don't plan on letting it go in the belt eh? *grin*
[22:57:35] <wjp> on the shoulder seems to work well
[22:57:46] <wjp> not sure how you want to put it in the belt :-)
[22:57:57] <wjp> (in such a way that it would actually be able to survive :-) )
[22:59:00] <servus> Ever see a chicken with its head between bent nails on a chopping stump?
[22:59:07] <servus> Also, is there anything else that needs doing? Anything fun and deadly?
[22:59:21] <wjp> hm, starbursts?
[22:59:31] <wjp> I can't think of a way to display those in your hand
[22:59:32] <servus> What's that again? A flail?
[22:59:39] <servus> Not the morning glory though..?
[22:59:54] <wjp> no, little blue glowing thingies that you can throw, I think
[23:00:18] <servus> Are you allowed to pick those up legally?
[23:00:22] <wjp> yes
[23:00:28] <servus> Hmm, don't remember them...
[23:00:30] <wjp> at least, I think so
[23:00:44] <servus> Oh, Exult needs an alt-4 command like in the original cheats... to empty a container onto the floor :)
[23:00:46] <wjp> can't really remember ever seeing them in-game, now that you mention it
[23:00:54] <wjp> ctrl-d empties a container
[23:01:01] <servus> That deletes it though!
[23:01:12] <wjp> well, yes, that too ;-)
[23:01:28] <servus> I wanna empty the avatar out and have fun watching people talk to his glowing usecode box
[23:01:53] <servus> Exult segfaults if you delete yourself, I think :-)
[23:02:00] <wjp> I'm not surprised :-)
[23:02:28] <servus> Are you using the normal or thin musket?
[23:02:42] <wjp> not sure yet
[23:05:31] <servus> OK, well I'll fix up the custom sword and post a final xcf now
[23:06:12] * wjp is having fun with the hoods, in the meantime :-)
[23:06:58] <servus> What do you mean?
[23:07:07] <servus> Redrawing them? Don't like them? :-p
[23:07:23] <wjp> I'm somehow managing to keep placing them at the wrong coordinates :-)
[23:07:32] <servus> Oh, implementing them.
[23:07:39] <servus> The male and female have different positions!
[23:07:45] <wjp> oh, I know :-)
[23:07:48] <servus> I'm sure you already realize that
[23:07:57] <servus> I'm just talking too much, eh...
[23:15:50] <wjp> ...and that's 4
[23:16:08] <wjp> or rather 3.5
[23:16:14] * wjp shifts hood up a few pixels
[23:17:06] <wjp> right, much better :-)
[23:17:47] <servus> And the custom sword is looking much niftier too
[23:19:24] <wjp> right, committed the hoods
[23:26:19] <wjp> hm, one interesting problem is the 'avatar costume' from the play in Britain's theatre
[23:27:16] <wjp> how do you make the avatar look like the avatar, while making it clear that you're only making it look _like_ the avatar :-)
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[23:27:49] <Baastuul> Hullo.
[23:28:05] <wjp> hi
[23:28:37] <Baastuul> What's up?
[23:28:44] <wjp> servus: oh, btw, do you want to be in the exult credits with your name or your nick?
[23:28:51] <wjp> (or anything else? :-) )
[23:29:11] <servus> OK, I made a custom sword that I'm happy with... do you have any hilt gumps for me to start with for the belt frame? Sam Matthews will be fine
[23:29:11] <Baastuul> Ser "Teh Haxxor" Vus
[23:29:18] * servus flogs Baastuul
[23:29:23] <Baastuul> Haha
[23:29:44] <servus> Guess I'll dosbox U7
[23:29:53] <wjp> hm, I think I already put the sword paperdoll somewhere
[23:29:56] * wjp checks
[23:30:16] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/sword.png
[23:30:19] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/sword_belt.png
[23:31:41] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/paperdoll_sword.png
[23:31:45] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/art/paperdoll_sword_belt.png
[23:32:16] <servus> Ooh, goes behind the arm
[23:33:05] <wjp> position of the arm is different when holding a 2h-weapon, but it's probably still partially obscured
[23:33:34] <servus> Makes sense
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[23:48:12] <servus> http://4.60.183.93/images/misc/paperdolls.png Much better, yes?
[23:50:37] <Baastuul> Neat: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4244988/
[23:51:00] <wjp> hm, I think the 'knob' at the end is a bit too large. It looks awkward on the on-belt version at this size
[23:51:07] <wjp> but it's definitely much better
[23:51:29] <servus> Ehh? The pommel is supposed to be large *grin*... I'll make a new version though
[23:51:49] <servus> Oh, it's not, how about that. I'll make it smaller then
[23:52:06] <wjp> argh, nearly 1am already
[23:52:15] <Baastuul> Wjp, do you live in The Netherlands?
[23:52:17] * wjp has to get up early tomorrow
[23:52:18] <wjp> Baastuul: yes
[23:53:00] <servus> Tell me about it, he's always making fun of my Dutch :'-(
[23:53:27] <Baastuul> hehe
[23:53:29] <Baastuul> You a math major?
[23:53:38] * wjp nods
[23:53:58] <wjp> almost done (couple of months at most)
[23:54:00] <Baastuul> Ah, hehe... I'm terrible at the stuff. had a math test today, actually
[23:54:01] <Baastuul> Cool
[23:54:48] <Baastuul> It was over logarithms primarily. It wasn't too tough though, that kind of math isn't that complicated.
[23:58:26] <wjp> anyway, I'm gone :-)
[23:58:32] <wjp> 'night
[23:59:12] <servus> Eh? I'll post the new custom sword in the logs then
[23:59:15] <servus> 'ta.
[23:59:37] <Baastuul> Night, wjp.