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[09:15:05] <sty_work> hi kirben
[09:15:11] <Kirben> Hi
[09:15:42] <sty_work> after many headaches i finally get cygwin make work :)
[09:15:54] <sty_work> t'was a bug in the cyg distro
[09:17:09] <Kirben> using makefile.win32/cygwin or configure ?
[09:17:18] <sty_work> makefile.cygwin
[09:18:05] <Kirben> What was the bug ?
[09:18:09] <sty_work> i've downloaded the latest cyg. but at compile time it didn't not found mingw include files
[09:18:23] <sty_work> so i had to copy the g++3- dir from /usr/include to /usr/include/mingw
[09:18:42] <sty_work> then get the package mingw-gcc and copy libstdc++.a in /usr/lib/mingw
[09:18:58] <Kirben> eeek
[09:19:34] <Kirben> Just use the steps at http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/cygwincompile.html
[09:20:00] <Kirben> I don't think using the .a files from mingw in cygwin is a good idea
[09:20:01] <sty_work> yea, i've found this procedure in a forum or two about that cygwin-mingw compiling problems with flag -mno-cygwin
[09:20:20] <sty_work> kirben: the problem is that it doesn't work else
[09:21:15] <sty_work> kirben: i've followed your steps
[09:21:34] <sty_work> but i had to do ALSO this copyin'trick
[09:22:01] <Kirben> That copying trick is mentioned in url above ^
[09:22:29] <Kirben> I was just pointing out you should use the mingw-extra-2.95.3.tar.gz instead of ripping files out of complete mingw32
[09:22:42] <sty_work> it doesn't woRK!
[09:23:05] <Kirben> it works
[09:23:47] <sty_work> already tried
[09:24:27] <Kirben> Are you sure ? I have the cygwin compile guide link pointing to mingw32 compile guide by mistake for a few days
[09:24:33] <sty_work> however, the exec runs without any probs :)
[09:25:50] <Kirben> It is odd as that is why I always use to compile exult via cygwin, never failed on WinME/W2K
[09:25:52] <sty_work> kirben: did you check out latest release of cyg ?
[09:26:21] <Kirben> Yes I'm always using latest Cygwin packages
[09:27:58] <sty_work> kirben: maybe i'm just unlucky , or just a lamer
[09:28:01] <Kirben> BTW mingw-extra-2.95.3.tar.gz includes more than just libstdc++.a
[09:28:16] <Kirben> in case you need to do any other mingw compiles
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[12:44:15] <sty_work> hi colour!
[12:44:20] <Colourless> hi
[12:44:36] <Colourless> the name's Colourless
[12:44:45] <Colourless> ;-)
[12:44:54] <sty_work> ya , i know colour :)
[12:45:27] <Colourless> i'm warning you, I do have ops here... push me too far... ;-)
[12:46:01] <sty_work> stop livin' grayscale !! :D
[12:46:45] <Colourless> i'll live anyway I want
[12:48:05] <sty_work> ouch :)
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[14:10:20] <Nadir> TWO matt* ?
[14:10:41] <Nadir> hi colourless !
[14:10:44] <Colourless> hi
[14:11:00] <Colourless> there maybe 2, but I doubt either will respond ;-)
[14:12:19] <Nadir> what timezone are you in ?
[14:12:28] <Colourless> me?
[14:12:37] <Nadir> yep
[14:12:48] <Colourless> +0930
[14:13:16] <Nadir> Adelaide/Darwin ?
[14:13:20] <Colourless> Adelaide
[14:13:43] <Nadir> Do you have daylight saving time ?
[14:13:58] <Colourless> yeah in summer, but it's winter now
[14:14:16] <Nadir> so it's 1/2 past midnight over there
[14:14:49] <Colourless> no, according to my clock it's 11:43
[14:15:11] <Nadir> Right, I forgot I'm +2 now
[14:15:51] <Nadir> I think I'm going to call you "Sleepless"
[14:16:07] <Colourless> I sleep, during the day
[14:16:11] <Colourless> I'm really a Vampire
[14:16:15] <Colourless> ;-)
[14:16:37] <Nadir> what do you do (besides sucking blood) ?
[14:16:55] <Colourless> not much of anything
[14:17:26] <Nadir> still at uni ?
[14:18:01] <Colourless> no, I left a year ago and didn't look back. I really didn't like it
[14:18:14] <Nadir> jobless ?
[14:18:21] <Colourless> yeah
[14:18:42] <Colourless> that's kind of why i started working on Exult
[14:19:13] <Colourless> i needed something to do, plus the experience would possibly help me get a job in the future
[14:19:30] <Nadir> have you asked Dancer ?
[14:19:53] <Colourless> no
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[14:36:11] <Nadir> b
[14:36:16] <Colourless> wb
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[14:50:00] <Colourless> wb again
[14:50:39] <Nadir> thx :)
[14:50:49] <Nadir> Good work on the black-area stuff
[14:52:17] <Colourless> i wonder why they used transparent mountains. I'm guess it was to make it easier to edit the map in their editor
[14:53:08] <Nadir> I wonder if the editor is still stashed away at Origin...
[14:53:20] <Nadir> It would be nice to see what it looked like
[14:53:40] <Nadir> did that roof stuff make things easier ?
[14:54:55] * Nadir missed all the fun last night with Colourless, Freedman, Fingolfin, Wjp and Dominik ALL on #exult
[14:55:12] <Colourless> here's an OLDE interview with Warren Spector: http://www.ttlg.com/articles/WSint.asp
[14:55:29] <Colourless> there are a cupple of references to the editor there
[14:55:58] <Colourless> not part of the interview though. It's right down the bottom in one of the final paragraphs
[14:56:29] <Nadir> jackchaos /me reads the interview
[14:56:46] * Nadir sets thing right
[14:56:51] * Nadir reads the interview
[14:56:58] <Nadir> jackchaos has stopped working ?
[14:57:05] <Colourless> yeah
[15:06:54] <Nadir> where is Warren Spector in SI ?
[15:08:35] <Colourless> ?
[15:08:39] <Colourless> what do you mean
[15:09:49] <Nadir> He says that he is one of the characters
[15:10:34] <Colourless> hmmm
[15:14:59] <Colourless> He's Spektor in Monitor
[15:15:07] <Colourless> NPC 77
[15:15:27] <Colourless> kind of obvious, no?
[15:17:49] <Nadir> Of course. Spektor
[15:21:23] <Nadir> 39 is Chris Roberts ?
[15:22:04] <Colourless> no idea, i don't know what Chris Robrts looks like
[15:22:35] <Nadir> have you seen the Wing Commander movie ?
[15:22:46] <Colourless> no :-)
[15:22:59] <Nadir> I haven't either. I'm sure it's cheesy as hell
[15:23:17] <Colourless> they say, "Don't see it"
[15:23:39] <Nadir> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0131646
[15:24:23] <Colourless> 3.8/10
[15:25:33] <Nadir> Read the comment. Reasonably positive. The guy has seen it TWICE !!!!
[15:25:45] <Nadir> They should do an Ultima movie....
[15:26:39] <Colourless> without garriot there, i say the SHOulDN'T do one. Even if he were there I would probably still say they shouldn't.
[15:27:30] <Nadir> :)
[15:42:53] <Nadir> Just watched the complete SI intro by Denis Loubet
[15:43:04] <Nadir> We should add support for that :)
[15:43:21] <Colourless> i've actually considered it
[15:43:31] <Nadir> Do it multiplatform
[15:43:36] <Nadir> :)
[15:44:05] <Colourless> the AVI artifacts are pretty bad though.
[15:45:59] <Nadir> yep. We would need to get hold of the original .FLC
[15:50:10] <Colourless> could ask Denis Loubet if he's got it
[15:51:49] <Nadir> yep. We also need the "storm sounds" :)
[15:52:27] <Colourless> yeah
[15:52:45] <Nadir> why did they have to use that silly codec
[15:53:46] <Colourless> to annoy us. they looked into the future and saw we were attempting to recreate the engine
[15:53:51] <Nadir> :)
[15:54:00] <Nadir> that is quotable !
[15:54:38] <Colourless> :)
[16:14:54] <Nadir> going
[16:14:55] <Nadir> bye
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[20:10:30] <wjp> got the serpent earrings?
[20:10:38] <wjp> full party?
[20:11:04] <wjp> you could try turning on usecode tracing to see what it looks for
[20:11:10] <wjp> s/usecode/intrinsic/
[20:11:28] <sty> i didn't read "WJP has joined #exult"
[20:11:54] <Nadir> serpent earrings ? where are they on Moonshade ?
[20:12:00] <wjp> sty: that's because I was here before you :-)
[20:12:03] <Nadir> party: all 4
[20:12:05] <sty> i didn't see you until you said something
[20:12:27] <wjp> sty: probably server trouble. OPN has had a lot of weird splits earlier today
[20:13:05] <wjp> Nadir: hmm, never mind... mixed up plot order
[20:13:06] <sty> i'm goin' blind ? i didn't see you in the user list
[20:14:07] <sty> what is the cvs option for not show the mex "move away <file>; it is in the way " ???
[20:14:55] <Nadir> wjp: weekly update ???
[20:15:26] <wjp> Nadir: sure, why not :-)
[20:15:45] <Nadir> jackchaos is still dead...
[20:15:57] <Nadir> maybe direct people to the SF forums...
[20:16:00] <wjp> sty: when do you get that message? (I've never seen it before)
[20:16:18] <wjp> sty: and for what files?
[20:16:28] <sty> cvs -d ..... checkout exult
[20:16:37] <sty> all files! :)
[20:16:45] <wjp> oh... you don't want to do that
[20:16:55] <wjp> you want to run 'cvs update'
[20:16:55] <Nadir> use cvs -z3 update -Pd
[20:17:11] <sty> i want to refresh my local copy
[20:17:18] <wjp> that's what update's for
[20:17:21] <sty> only
[20:18:21] <sty> oh thanx ( neverending lameness :))
[20:20:08] * wjp wonders what to put it the weekly update
[20:20:20] <wjp> dungeon rendering
[20:21:00] <Nadir> wait
[20:21:00] <wjp> hmm...
[20:21:14] <wjp> video options
[20:21:19] * wjp waits
[20:22:11] <Nadir> synched Guardian speech with text subtitle
[20:22:30] <Nadir> removed annoying flashes in intro/menus
[20:22:45] <Nadir> updated FAQ
[20:23:51] <wjp> again?
[20:23:51] <Nadir> 9th July
[20:26:26] <Nadir> shouldn't news previous to Alpha4 be moved to the "History" section ?
[20:26:43] <wjp> hmm, not sure
[20:27:00] <wjp> I moved everything from before Alpha3 on the Alpha4 release
[20:27:22] * sty police- queen of pain
[20:28:40] <Nadir> sty: king of pain
[20:28:54] <wjp> ?
[20:29:23] * Nadir guessed that's what sty is listening to
[20:29:35] <sty> aargh , you're right
[20:29:53] <Fingolfin> hi nadir, wjp, everybody
[20:30:01] <wjp> hi
[20:30:10] * sty reads the never-readed-title-list
[20:30:40] <Nadir> sty: past of read is read
[20:31:12] <sty> ahw :)
[20:31:50] * sty pure oxford :)))
[20:35:07] <Nadir> hi fingolfin (albeit a bit late)
[20:35:54] <wjp> Fingolfin: how did your exam go?
[20:39:41] <Fingolfin> wjp: well, I certainly passed ;)
[20:40:00] <Fingolfin> wjp: in fact, I also should have a 1 (we get 1-4, and 5 is failed, 1 is bset=
[20:40:09] <wjp> yeah, I know
[20:40:12] <Fingolfin> but then, we have 135% in total to achieve, and I did all problems ;)
[20:40:13] <wjp> congrats :-)
[20:40:36] <Fingolfin> but of course, afterwards I discovered three horribly stupid idotic brainless mistaked I did ;)
[20:40:36] <Nadir> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=115408&forum_id=6816
[20:41:20] <Fingolfin> first off, I mixed up n and 2^n in one answer; secondly, I overlooked on important equation in another problem; and lastly, I miscalculated the number of possible huffman code for a certain input
[20:41:56] <Fingolfin> that is, I calculated that there were 6 huffman codes for that particular example... the real answer is 96, though... erhm... I forgot that I can swap nodes in the huffman tree with identical values
[20:41:59] <Fingolfin> <blush>
[20:42:30] <Fingolfin> hm, yet another rendering error it seems, in BG, in the desert
[20:42:36] <Nadir> coords ?
[20:42:40] <Fingolfin> sec
[20:42:48] <Nadir> (read my reply to the forum above)
[20:42:58] <Fingolfin> 08bd,0344,00 (hex of course ;)
[20:43:04] <Fingolfin> there is a rock there, which is partly shown only
[20:44:47] <Nadir> the one under the cobwebs ?
[20:44:50] <wjp> chunk boundary
[20:44:55] <Fingolfin> Nadir: will read your forum reply in a moment
[20:44:57] <Fingolfin> wjp: yeah
[20:45:15] <Fingolfin> chunk boundaries are nasty, they also cause lamp light cones to be cut off (in cities)
[20:45:34] <wjp> there's several of those rocks, btw
[20:45:54] <Nadir> yes.
[20:46:35] <wjp> eeek... segfault
[20:46:45] <wjp> reproducible
[20:46:46] <Fingolfin> yes: he he, on the forum, yet another lamer ;) good that somebody is reading the fora sometimes..
[20:46:52] * Fingolfin discovers there is a message regarding OS X
[20:47:09] <Nadir> wjp: how ?
[20:47:18] <wjp> turning off street lights
[20:47:52] <Nadir> everytime ?
[20:48:00] <wjp> I tried twice
[20:48:09] <wjp> thrice
[20:48:31] <sty> ghghg
[20:48:46] <Nadir> just did that in Trinsic about ten times and it works
[20:49:24] * Fingolfin will try what wjp did
[20:49:39] <wjp> hmm, wait a sec...
[20:49:56] <wjp> maybe it was those animations I killed
[20:50:12] <Nadir> just did that in Moonshade about ten times and it works there too
[20:50:24] <wjp> I was in BG btw
[20:50:40] * wjp re-enables animations
[20:52:08] <Nadir> how do you disable/reenable animations ?
[20:52:19] <wjp> ugly hack :-)
[20:52:54] <Nadir> why ?
[20:53:08] <Nadir> (the peasants want to know)
[20:53:20] <wjp> it was taking 30% of the time in my profiling run
[20:53:22] <Fingolfin> en/disabling lamps in trinsic works fine over here, BTW
[20:54:00] <wjp> omg.... ~100 compile errors
[20:54:54] <Nadir> gotta go. bye bye
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[20:55:07] <wjp> now that is suspicious :-)
[20:55:20] <wjp> I mention compile errors and Nadir suddenly has to go ;-)
[20:56:42] <wjp> oh.. merge conflict
[20:57:38] <Fingolfin> ah ok, I was just phoned by a mate that I have indeed grade 1, and that an official email with all grades should arrive in 15 minutes ;) we got some interlopers in the ranks of the "enemy" ;)
[20:57:50] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:57:55] <Fingolfin> compile errors! ha!
[20:57:56] <wjp> :-)
[20:58:12] <Fingolfin> exult today compiled, linked and run finx on my OS X for the first time in a week!
[20:58:18] <Fingolfin> donīt tell me about compile errors ;)
[20:58:41] * wjp tries to think of something else to tell about, then ;-)
[20:58:55] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:58:57] <wjp> I finished act 3 yesterday!
[20:59:03] <Fingolfin> hey cool ;)
[20:59:11] <Fingolfin> bremm sparkfist is nasty, isnīt he?
[20:59:11] <wjp> (or today, technically)
[20:59:21] <Fingolfin> did you manage to beat him with your sorc alone, or with help?
[20:59:22] <wjp> council members... *shudder*
[20:59:28] <Fingolfin> muwahaha
[20:59:32] <wjp> we were with a team of 4
[20:59:37] <Fingolfin> ok
[20:59:40] <wjp> 2 sorcs, 1 barb, 1 necro
[20:59:53] <Fingolfin> that is a bit easier,if not all council members are slashing at you alone ;)
[21:00:10] <wjp> yeah :-)
[21:00:32] <wjp> my open lvl 43 sorc. died 10 times or so at the hands of one of the council members in the Durance of Hate
[21:00:41] <wjp> only once for Mephisto himself
[21:00:55] <wjp> (and that was a stupid death)
[21:01:28] <wjp> *phew* lamp posts work ok now
[21:02:08] <sty> wjp: does the exult team have some doc about sourcetree structure ?
[21:02:38] <sty> 2 words explaining briefly the classes or something
[21:02:39] <sty> ?
[21:02:43] <wjp> sty: don't think so ;/
[21:03:17] <wjp> and some classes really can't be explained by 2 words... *cough* gamewin *cough*
[21:03:44] <wjp> speaking of which... how about creating some 'ShapeManager' class or something?
[21:03:55] <wjp> that would take a _lot_ of junk out of gamewin
[21:05:11] <sty> imagine that a guy wants to improve a certain part of the code
[21:06:03] <sty> he can localize the file , but he finds 1 billion of references & external calls out of that
[21:06:10] <Fingolfin> wjp: code restructuring? Yaaa-hooooo!!! ;)
[21:06:24] <Fingolfin> wjp: a sorc against the council... that *is* annoying, i know ;)
[21:06:43] <Fingolfin> wjp: and mephi himself is so easy compared to bremm sparkfist, whos is regenerating after all
[21:07:11] <sty> without any reference it would take days just to understand what the **** the function is actually doing
[21:07:28] <wjp> sty: yeah :/
[21:07:53] <wjp> any particular guy or piece of code we're talking about? :-)
[21:08:35] <sty> humm ... dunno :)
[21:09:52] <sty> wjp: let's say i'm REALLY new to open source philosophy
[21:11:22] <wjp> reading your way into the exult sources is probably quite hard...
[21:11:48] <wjp> not that it can't be done, of course
[21:12:01] <wjp> Fingolfin: btw, got any BNet plans for tonight? :-)
[21:12:49] <wjp> but if you need help on anything, feel free to ask in here, or on the ML
[21:13:41] <sty> ok
[21:15:05] <Fingolfin> sty: I guess you first should try to understand parts of it... and then work your way through it
[21:15:13] <Fingolfin> I donīt pretend I understand everything, BTW ;)
[21:15:20] <Fingolfin> wjp: hm... maybe... ;)
[21:15:30] <Fingolfin> wjp: but I should go to a proseminar tomorrow at 9 AM
[21:15:34] <Fingolfin> wjp: so not too long ;)
[21:15:47] <wjp> 'proseminar'?
[21:16:14] <sty> Fingolfin: yea, maybe it's the only way
[21:16:30] <sty> bottom-up
[21:17:06] * wjp nods
[21:17:11] <Fingolfin> sty: but like wjp, I will gladly try to answer your questions on the code, if I can ;)
[21:17:38] <Fingolfin> wjp: proseminar -> a group of students, under the guidance of a professor, has to present some material to other students
[21:17:48] <wjp> Fingolfin: ah, I see
[21:18:04] <Fingolfin> wjp: we three had the topic "differentiable structures on manifolds", and the text we got (4o pages) was pretty dense...
[21:18:19] <wjp> ouch.. pretty heavy topic :-)
[21:18:38] <Fingolfin> an assistant helped us a bit, and he was really embarassed that his boss (the professor) would hand us such an aweful text ("great text - if you already know what he is talking about")
[21:18:44] <Fingolfin> YEAH
[21:18:49] <Fingolfin> heavy is exactly right!
[21:19:11] <Fingolfin> but I think I understood it all, the last piece today ;) I had my share of the presentation last monday
[21:19:51] <Fingolfin> the joke is: we three are all pretty good students, all in the top ten of our year I think, and we had a hard time to understand everything given this specific text
[21:20:12] <Fingolfin> now, imagine I present all this stuff we prepared over weeks, in a total of 2 hours to 12 other students
[21:20:17] <Fingolfin> orally & on the blackboard
[21:20:22] <wjp> you have enough students to even fill a top ten? wow :-)
[21:20:26] <Fingolfin> after 20 minutes, nobody can follow anymore ;)
[21:20:32] <Fingolfin> wjp: we are 55
[21:20:42] <wjp> about 14 in my year
[21:20:47] <Fingolfin> and I didnīt mean it exactly literal ;)
[21:20:55] <wjp> (and _6_ in the year below me...)
[21:20:59] <Fingolfin> wjp: and how many in the beginning?)
[21:21:02] <Fingolfin> wjp: ouch ;)
[21:21:15] <wjp> both years started with about 20
[21:21:26] <wjp> yeah, seminars tend to have that effect...
[21:21:32] <Fingolfin> wjp: the generation after us will be about 120 initially, BTW...
[21:21:40] <Fingolfin> and we started with 65 ;)
[21:21:49] <Fingolfin> actually, rather 100-110 than 120
[21:22:22] <wjp> you're talking about math, right?
[21:22:56] <Fingolfin> yeah ;) MCS to be precise. many many foreign students come this time - 78 in fact for next year
[21:23:06] <Fingolfin> we have more than normal math now
[21:23:29] <Fingolfin> but now we are 55 - ask me next year, we will be maybe 30 or less ;)
[21:24:02] <wjp> you're 2nd year, right?
[21:24:23] <Fingolfin> Darmstadt has about 15000 students I think, not exactly sure. and we have a very good reputation in engineering and math, we are place 3 in germany with ppl starting math studies
[21:24:43] <Fingolfin> wjp: nah, 2nd semester ;) I am still very "fresh" ;) all the civil service we have to do delays start of studies
[21:24:49] <sty> 'night, seeya
[21:24:52] <wjp> bye
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[21:25:05] <Fingolfin> cya
[21:25:06] <wjp> civil service??
[21:25:11] <Fingolfin> erhm ;)
[21:25:12] <Fingolfin> well
[21:25:30] <Fingolfin> almost every german male has to do military service (10 month) after finishing school.
[21:25:51] <wjp> Netherlands got rid of that several years ago (luckily :-) )
[21:25:54] <Fingolfin> but you can choose to do civil service (11 month) instead
[21:26:22] <Fingolfin> wjp: well, without the 120.000 ppl doing civil service evyery years, our health system would collapse I think ;)
[21:26:52] * wjp mentions the Dutch health system is getting a bit very understaffed... :-)
[21:27:07] <Fingolfin> hm, yeah...
[21:27:13] <Fingolfin> civil servants are very cheap labor
[21:27:24] <Fingolfin> I was payed 15 DM + 5 DM for food a day
[21:27:39] <Fingolfin> considering that I had to work 8 hours/day, that makes about 2.5 DM / hour
[21:27:48] <wjp> wow, that much? :-)
[21:27:57] <Fingolfin> considering that ppl had to pay 23/hour to get service of me...
[21:28:19] <Fingolfin> e.g. when I went with somebody in a wheel chair, movinī him/her around for an hour
[21:28:51] <Fingolfin> to be fair, in germany, if you get X DM/hour, your boss pays 2X, where X go to insurances etc.
[21:29:16] <wjp> yeah, something similar here
[21:29:30] <Fingolfin> so 23 - 5 = 18 DM... quite a bargain, hu? not that I think the Caritas got rich through me, they had barely enough money to pay the regular workers
[21:29:33] <Fingolfin> hehe
[21:30:19] <Fingolfin> some of the regulars one had accumulated 100hours+ extra work... not enough ppl want to do this work for the money you get (of course they got much more than we, but still!)
[21:30:36] <Fingolfin> anyway, in total I liked this time, it was a great experience, I learned a lot
[21:31:44] <wjp> interesting system
[21:52:22] <Fingolfin> Iīll reboot now, brb
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[21:58:22] <Fingolfin> ah I got the best exam it seems ;)
[21:58:42] <wjp> congrats :-)
[22:08:56] <wjp> hmm, Jeff seems to be working on the usecode compiler some more
[22:09:05] <wjp> "Get conversation response"
[22:09:26] <wjp> sounds promising
[22:16:09] <Fingolfin> hehe yeah ;)
[22:16:20] <Fingolfin> let's see what Big Jeff produces this time
[22:16:24] <Fingolfin> and what he breaks =]
[22:16:29] <Fingolfin> that gives me an idea..
[22:16:32] <Fingolfin> usecode
[22:16:33] <Fingolfin> usecode
[22:16:34] <Fingolfin> usecode
[22:16:40] * Fingolfin waits
[22:16:54] * wjp waits along
[22:17:49] * wjp tries something...
[22:18:00] <wjp> hey, I found a big bug in the usecode interpreter!
[22:18:27] <wjp> no, didn't work either :/
[22:18:31] <Fingolfin> darn
[22:18:42] <Fingolfin> jeff must be in big troubles it seems
[22:21:09] <wjp> hey, another segfault
[22:22:17] <Fingolfin> that didn't work either
[22:22:23] <Fingolfin> wait, you really mean it? =]
[22:22:23] <wjp> no, seriously :-)
[22:22:47] <Fingolfin> reproduicible?
[22:22:54] <wjp> yeah
[22:23:00] <wjp> I double clicked a 'D' a egg
[22:23:16] <wjp> s/a egg/egg/
[22:23:42] <wjp> at 086e, 0319, specifically
[22:24:03] <wjp> (SE tip of the mountain range starting in the NW of the desert)
[22:24:57] <wjp> according to the type it's a teleport egg
[22:31:33] <wjp> and here's a similar crash that doesn't require explicit double clicking
[22:33:56] <Fingolfin> hm
[22:34:06] <wjp> caused by a out-of-bounds std::vector access
[22:34:51] <Fingolfin> bad, can you fix it?
[22:35:39] <wjp> well, I can check against the size of the vector before accessing it...
[22:36:13] <Fingolfin> but that is not a fix to the root, only to the symptom :/
[22:36:18] <wjp> right
[22:36:26] <Fingolfin> but if you put in an assert, we could discover what causes the problem...
[22:36:50] <wjp> the problem is apparently not understanding teleport eggs correctly
[22:37:19] <wjp> how we handle them currently:
[22:37:32] <wjp> if quality==255 coordinates is in the 'data2' field of the egg
[22:37:56] <wjp> otherwise, look for a 'path egg' (from the gwin::path_eggs vector) with the same quality
[22:38:08] <wjp> (path_eggs is indexed by quality)
[22:39:07] <wjp> the two crashing teleport eggs (one with a 'T' image, the other with a 'D' image) happen to have the same quality
[22:39:34] <Fingolfin> hm
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[22:39:57] <wjp> hi
[22:40:00] <orson_> hello guys
[22:40:33] <wjp> so, maybe we should also/only accept these things as teleport targets
[22:40:39] <orson_> just wanted to ask if any one else has any trouble downloading the daily windows snapshot?
[22:41:09] <Fingolfin> hi
[22:41:18] <Fingolfin> orson: never tried... URL?
[22:41:29] <wjp> blake.prohosting.com/~kirben I think
[22:41:33] <wjp> ?snaphost
[22:41:35] <wjp> ?snapshot
[22:41:35] <exultbot> You can find daily windows snapshots at: http://io.spaceports.com/~kirben/
[22:41:40] <wjp> that one is outdated...
[22:42:11] <wjp> http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/
[22:42:20] <orson_> http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/ is the page you start from - and when you go to the win98 link it takes you to a freehosting page with antoher link
[22:42:39] <orson_> that link takes you back to the same link (round and round in circles)
[22:43:10] <wjp> works for me...
[22:43:18] <orson_> the file is downloading???
[22:43:41] * Fingolfin tries
[22:43:49] <wjp> 2nd time I tried it doesn't
[22:43:59] <wjp> 3rd time it works
[22:44:05] <wjp> 4th too
[22:44:19] <wjp> what browser are you using?
[22:44:20] <Fingolfin> 1st try works
[22:44:48] <Fingolfin> 2nd try, too
[22:44:52] <orson_> ie5.5
[22:45:10] <wjp> does 'save link as' work?
[22:45:18] <orson_> ill try hold on
[22:45:41] <wjp> lol: I just got teleported to inside that generator with all the teleporters
[22:45:54] <orson_> nah - it thinks its a .htm
[22:45:57] <wjp> (to the 'D' egg with the same quality (7) as the 'crashing' eggs)
[22:46:14] <orson_> ok guys sorry to bother you - now that i know it works for you - i'll try it at work
[22:46:16] <wjp> try saving that, and then just clicking on it
[22:46:23] <orson_> ok
[22:46:31] <wjp> (it == the link again)
[22:46:45] <wjp> after it was stuck in the loop, that was what got me out of it
[22:47:40] <orson_> wjp - i'm still stuck in that loop
[22:47:45] <wjp> :-(
[22:48:20] <wjp> I wonder how they detect whether to return the page or the actual exe
[22:48:47] <wjp> hmm, by the referer header
[22:48:58] <orson_> doesnt matter - i'll try it at work today - thanks guys - sorry to interrupt your teleport discussion - i'll report back if i have any luck
[22:48:59] * wjp is experimenting a bit with wget
[22:49:09] <wjp> no problem :-)
[22:49:44] * orson_ leaves to go to work (which he will be 1 hour late to!)
[22:49:51] <wjp> oops :-)
[22:49:56] <wjp> see you later
[22:50:04] <orson_> bye
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[22:50:18] <wjp> wget http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/Exultwin32.exe <-- returns .html page
[22:50:26] <wjp> wget --header="Referer:http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/Exultwin32.exe" http://blake.prohosting.com/kirben/Exultwin32.exe <-- returns .exe
[22:51:47] <wjp> god... you're teleported halfway across the map while there's a suitable target in the next room
[22:55:44] <wjp> although... suitable... I think it may be a bug that the type is set to 7 instead of 9
[22:56:01] <wjp> all the other eggs with the same image have type 9
[22:59:47] <Fingolfin> hm
[22:59:54] <Fingolfin> a bug in the data files, or in our code?
[22:59:59] <wjp> data files
[23:00:22] <wjp> it _could_ just be that it was disabled on purpose, since I can't find a way out of the room it is in
[23:00:28] <wjp> (it == the teleport target)
[23:02:39] <Fingolfin> anyways, gotta go to be now ;)
[23:02:45] <wjp> ok :-)
[23:02:46] <wjp> goodnight
[23:02:50] <Fingolfin> cya
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