#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 13 Jul 2005 (GMT)

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[09:30:35] <Baastuul> Good night.
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[09:30:54] <SB-X> And good riddance!
[09:39:02] <Sevalecan> damn straight!
[09:39:09] * Sevalecan high fives SB-X
[10:00:51] <SB-X> hehe
[10:00:56] <SB-X> don't tell him I said that -_-
[10:02:09] <Sevalecan> I wont :)
[10:02:15] <Sevalecan> gnight
[10:02:27] <SB-X> bye
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[10:26:18] <vantur_> hail all
[10:26:24] <SB-X> greetings
[10:33:56] <vantur_> :)
[10:34:06] <vantur_> is anyone here alive that deals with the osx port?
[10:34:38] <vantur_> I seem to have run into a possible bug with exult and osx 10.4
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[11:02:05] <wjp> hi
[11:02:09] <wjp> I saw your bug report
[11:02:43] <wjp> what makes you think it's related to OS X 10.4, by the way? They sound like strange symptoms for OS-related problems
[11:03:13] <wjp> (disclaimer: I don't use Mac OS myself)
[11:10:40] <Vantur_Dragon> hail wjp
[11:11:12] <Vantur_Dragon> simply put the software worked before the update...
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[11:11:28] <Vantur_Dragon> and ther ehave been many cases of
[11:11:41] <Vantur_Dragon> executables made for prior versions of osx
[11:11:49] <Vantur_Dragon> which needed to be updated to work on tiger
[11:12:19] <wjp> hm, I see; still, these are not the kind of symptoms I'd expect :-)
[11:12:47] <Vantur_Dragon> for example.... I have a business card program
[11:12:49] <wjp> did you try to compile Exult yourself?
[11:13:05] <Vantur_Dragon> which after the os was updated... no longer displays backgrounds
[11:13:18] <Vantur_Dragon> i used the downloaded binary
[11:13:38] <Vantur_Dragon> I then tried afterwards using the 1.4 version for test purposes
[11:13:57] <Vantur_Dragon> to see iof the issue would go away
[11:14:30] <Vantur_Dragon> the original binary (1.2) and the compiled 1.4 had the same issues
[11:15:08] <Vantur_Dragon> issue occurs with a new games as well as with old saved games.
[11:15:17] <wjp> could you give a more detailed description of the exact problems you get?
[11:15:29] <Vantur_Dragon> I will try.
[11:15:34] <Vantur_Dragon> lets say in trinsic...
[11:16:20] <Vantur_Dragon> I am able to enter the barn ok.... but I cannot go through the door in there
[11:16:35] <Vantur_Dragon> most of the houses I cannnot get into either.. the doors open...
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[11:16:56] <Vantur_Dragon> but I cannot walk through he doorway.. its like I am walking via a wall..
[11:17:19] <Vantur_Dragon> I cannot exit the city... as I cannnot walk through the exit
[11:17:38] <wjp> so it's like the avatar is larger than he should be?
[11:17:48] <Vantur_Dragon> the same issue occurs with an old savegame in castle british.. I fcan walk near chuckles but cannot leave that room..
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[11:18:42] <wjp> could some of your data files have been corrupted by the OS upgrade?
[11:18:51] <Vantur_Dragon> well... its odd the avatar cannot climb the stairs in trinsic.. its more like the doorway or passage or oother items such as that are at a different level
[11:19:05] <Vantur_Dragon> such that the avatar cannot get past them
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[11:19:52] <Vantur_Dragon> I am planning to create another install of ultima7.. and copy the files over.. to test that...
[11:20:11] <Vantur_Dragon> but the os upgrade should not be touching that
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[11:21:00] <Vantur_Dragon> wjp its a very weird thing lol
[11:21:09] <wjp> yes, very :-)
[11:21:50] <Vantur_Dragon> the game looks all normal... its just that passageways become like walls to it .. the client in the background ( if you run it via the command line)
[11:22:36] <Vantur_Dragon> outputs several errors indicating that there is no way for the vatar to reach there.. and things like theres not a place for iolo to stand or something like that
[11:23:29] <wjp> can you stand next to a wall properly (in all directions), or are you somehow blocked a fixed distance away from the wall?
[11:25:27] <Vantur_Dragon> nope all looks normal
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[11:26:44] <Vantur_Dragon> the only time I feel blocked is through a doorway
[11:27:36] <Vantur_Dragon> although I am able to enter 2 doorways facing south... in trinsic
[11:31:08] <wjp> most peculiar
[11:31:56] <wjp> at this point my guess would be your datafiles got corrupted somehow, but that's really just a guess
[11:33:44] <Vantur_Dragon> aye.... thinking of doing a reinstall... hopefully that will be it
[11:33:53] <Vantur_Dragon> but I aggree its peculiar
[11:34:28] <wjp> otherwise it could be the bitfield that's keeping track of which tiles are free is getting corrupted somewhere
[11:35:07] <wjp> but I haven't looked at that part of the code recently enough to know if that could be it
[11:35:37] <Colourless> i'd doubt it would be that...
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[11:40:19] <Vantur_Dragon> well... will try a fresh copy of ultima VII and see what happens.
[11:40:38] <Vantur_Dragon> thnx wjp for your time
[11:41:32] <wjp> sure, no problem
[11:41:40] <wjp> let me know if it works :-)
[11:43:09] <Vantur_Dragon> sure deal :)
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[11:57:22] <wjp> did you see Max' reply to the bug report on SF just now?
[11:58:44] <Vantur_Dragon> me?
[11:58:52] <Vantur_Dragon> nope havent looked at it yet..
[11:59:01] <Vantur_Dragon> was busy reinstalling
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[12:00:44] <wjp> what version of U7 do you have, by the way?
[12:01:25] <wjp> (complete U7? ultima collection? floppy version?)
[12:01:40] <Vantur_Dragon> good question... I dont eremember which one I installed.. I have both the single version and the one that came from the ultima colletions cd
[12:01:57] <wjp> the ultima collection should have a pre-installed U7 on the CD
[12:02:34] <Vantur_Dragon> What I am installing now is from the collections cd..
[12:02:39] <wjp> ok
[12:03:18] * Colourless wonders how exult would run if the games were played from the cd
[12:03:48] <wjp> heh, no idea; never tried :-)
[12:04:17] <Vantur_Dragon> who knows lol
[12:04:26] <Colourless> well i'm going
[12:04:28] <Colourless> cya
[12:04:30] <wjp> night
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[12:04:35] <Vantur_Dragon> laters colourless
[12:15:07] <Vantur_Dragon> wjp....
[12:15:17] <Vantur_Dragon> found the problem and you were right...
[12:15:24] <Vantur_Dragon> sorry and thanks...
[12:15:34] <Vantur_Dragon> I have no idea how the data became corrupt...
[12:15:51] <Vantur_Dragon> however it is working now... talk about coincidence
[12:18:06] <wjp> don't worry; I'm glad it's solved :-)
[12:18:16] <Vantur_Dragon> me too :)
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[12:25:23] <Vantur_Dragon> lol I just noticed the test version 1.4 made my avatar become a muscular woman !!! (gender change)
[12:25:59] <SB-X> never played as female avatar before?
[12:26:55] <Vantur_Dragon> i have stuck the the male ones
[12:27:23] <Vantur_Dragon> hehe spark is now a girl as well ( at least the face..)
[12:28:46] <Vantur_Dragon> in essence they are guys bodies with female heads.. this is twisted in so many levels
[12:29:34] <Vantur_Dragon> someone had a nice sense of humor i guess :)
[12:31:38] <wjp> hm, what do you mean?
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[12:37:38] <SB-X> ???
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[16:19:33] <wjp> hmmm
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[16:38:18] <wjp> that was kind of stupid
[16:38:55] <wjp> I introduced a nice typo into game.cc breaking all BG-without-FoV versions :/
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