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[11:19:05] --- Topic for #exult is: Exult, the open source Ultima 7 and U7 part 2 engine
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[12:48:11] <wjp> hi
[12:48:26] <Colourless> hi
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[12:51:52] <Kirben> Hi
[12:51:53] <wjp> hi
[12:52:11] <wjp> Kirben: did you already have an win32 version of the Gimp?
[12:52:11] <Colourless> hi
[12:52:30] <wjp> (or was it someone else that was looking for it?)
[12:52:39] <Kirben> no, but I know where win32 gimp is available
[12:52:54] <wjp> I just found a binary on a CD somewhere
[12:52:58] <Kirben> No, was not me looking for it
[12:53:03] <wjp> ok
[12:53:08] <Colourless> a long time ago i was going to download it
[12:53:30] * wjp suddenly remembers the photoshop plugin he was working on
[12:53:49] <Kirben> Just updated my system to W2K, no more crashing a fews times a day/week :)
[12:54:17] <Colourless> once you get used to Win2k, you can never go back
[12:54:25] <Kirben> Was actually surprised to get ULtima 7 partly running under it, without U7win patch
[12:54:48] <wjp> without U7win?
[12:54:52] <Colourless> partly as in you got to the menu
[12:54:55] <Colourless> ?
[12:55:07] <Kirben> If you run ULtima 7 with VDM Sound the introduction runs fine but then it drops back to desktop just before menu
[12:55:16] <Colourless> u7win doesn't work in Win2k
[12:55:24] <Colourless> you need to use u7dpmi
[12:55:29] <Colourless> which is VERY slow
[12:56:02] <Kirben> Well u7dpmi is part of u7win package. I tried and agree, very slow
[12:56:23] <Colourless> ah, must have been added in since i got it :)
[12:57:58] <Kirben> My biggest surpise in W2K though was last Vortex 2 W2K beta drivers seem better than Creative's
[12:58:25] <Kirben> Works well with Exult too :) unlike Win9x drivers
[12:59:07] <Colourless> for me the creative drivers are 'ok', but i might just be lucky. they are far from perfect though.
[13:01:52] <Kirben> Creative W2K drivers don't have very good EAX support under W2k unless you use the more recent versions (The 5.1 drivers). Plus high CPU usage and SMP issues
[13:02:52] <Colourless> yeah, the EAX support sucks ass.
[13:03:07] <Colourless> i don't play games in win2k though
[13:03:28] <Colourless> my video card drivers don't work properly, so i use 98
[13:03:35] <Kirben> Vortex 2 CPU usage seems almost too good to be true, always under 10%.
[13:04:10] <Kirben> What video card ? Nvidia based video cards are best W2K wise for sure.
[13:04:48] <Colourless> 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000
[13:05:23] <Kirben> Ah, another dead product. Last driver release's didn't help at all ?
[13:06:28] <Colourless> Because the 6000 was never released, the drivers were never finished for Win2k. I have to force 1 chip mode in win2k to get it to work at all.
[13:08:06] <Kirben> Shame so many products die out that way. Good hardware but no decent drivers.
[13:10:30] <Kirben> DirectX acts a bit odd under W2K, always blanks out screen for a second just before switching resolutions in games.
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[13:13:21] <wjp> hi
[13:13:23] <Dominus> hi
[13:13:25] <Colourless> hi
[13:13:38] <Kirben> Hi Dominus
[13:13:46] <Dominus> hey olourless how did you get the V5 6k?
[13:13:51] <Colourless> kirben: yeah, the hardware is nice. really fast. FSAA is really amazing
[13:13:54] <Dominus> colourless
[13:13:54] <Kirben> New snapshot just out :)
[13:14:59] <Dominus> Colourless: and what is the bios of your V5?
[13:15:33] <Colourless> Dom: I know people who know (or knew) people at 3dfx. I got given a 6000 in responce to an idea that i had which was used by Quantum 3D
[13:15:52] <Kirben> Birds still don't sound quite right though
[13:16:00] <Dominus> cool, I have a V5 5.5k
[13:16:11] <Dominus> Kirben: let me see/hear
[13:16:45] <Colourless> up close an personal: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/6000/front.jpg
[13:16:51] <Colourless> s/an/and/
[13:17:12] <Kirben> Sure enough fans on there
[13:17:35] <Kirben> I guess it was not final chipset revision
[13:17:57] <Kirben> They must run super hot to need that much fanning
[13:18:08] <Dominus> Kirben: in addition to sound #75, I think that #85 isnīt right either for sounds
[13:18:29] <Colourless> it is the final hardware revision. If they had gone retail that would have been the version releasd.
[13:19:19] <Dominus> and the 5500 drivers donīt run on it?
[13:19:57] <Colourless> however, it wasn't released because of some hardware compatibility issues with some motherboards... particulary the ASUS CUS-L2 (name could be wrong)
[13:20:15] <Dominus> colourless: there is much discussion on the bios in http://v3info.dirtyrats.com/ in the forums
[13:20:27] <Colourless> Dom: The 5500 driver do work. In fact i used 5500 drivers on it, but they don't work properly in 2k
[13:21:49] <Dominus> bad, I too have problems with the drivers as the latest beta from 3dfx runs some 3d games okay others uónly run with the x3dfx drivers
[13:22:17] <Dominus> especially this new N64 emulator Project 64
[13:22:56] <Kirben> Is Project 64 good ? been meaning to try the emulator.
[13:23:07] <Dominus> itīs great
[13:23:13] <Dominus> but demanding on hardware
[13:23:14] <Colourless> It's annoying that there are problems. It can very much be a case of juggleing drivers.
[13:23:30] <Dominus> after Ultra'Hle itīs the best one so far
[13:24:55] <Kirben> Are there any free n64 roms around ?
[13:25:14] <Dominus> actually only demos
[13:25:19] <Kirben> Like freeware I mean
[13:25:44] <Kirben> games demos or demos as in demo scene ?
[13:25:48] <Dominus> the N64 roms are one of the only areas where Iīm into the illegal field now
[13:26:04] <Dominus> you might want to check out Dextrose
[13:26:13] <Dominus> http://www.dextrose.com/dx_index.htm
[13:26:24] <Dominus> it may have infos on demo roms
[13:26:33] <Kirben> Thanks
[13:26:34] <Dominus> demo scene btw
[13:27:06] <Dominus> when UltraHle came out I couldnīt resist playing Zelda64 on my PC
[13:28:06] <Dominus> Itīs quite good and now Zelda64 2 runs great on Project64
[13:30:06] <Kirben> Shame Nitendo won't support any type of legal emulation for emulators like n64 and gameboy. I once emailed then but there is no legal way to play n64/gameboy games on emulators :(
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[13:32:07] <Cless> the console companies should support emulation
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[13:33:12] <Colourless> it will get them more money. the reasoning is that they usually make a loss on the hardware, and if they can get more systems out there that support their software they would potentially make more money due to higher levels of software sales and lower amounts of hardware sales
[13:34:52] <Dominus> the problem so far with it is that there is no way to play the cartridge directly on the PC, you need a Rom and that you can only get legally if you have a N64, a backup device and the game cartridge
[13:35:31] <Kirben> Yes I actually mentioned idea of buying the games and then using roms from internet in that email to Nitendo.
[13:36:30] <Kirben> A common format does help more, shame most consoles rarely use CD/DVD.
[13:37:41] <Dominus> mhm, Sony could have made a lot of money with an official emulator for their Playstations
[13:37:52] <Colourless> yeah
[13:38:15] <Dominus> Funny fact on how the Dreamcast warez copies are made:
[13:38:50] <Colourless> but, sonys viewpoint was probably because it would eat into the sales of the PS2 which can play PS1 games
[13:38:58] <Dominus> someone had the idea to hook up the playstation to the PC and read these CDs out through the Playstation drive
[13:39:30] <Dominus> now with some boot sector these copies run on the Dreamcast
[13:39:58] <Dominus> (very untechnical description but you get the idea)
[13:40:36] <Dominus> but to think of copying the dreamcast games via Playstation to the Pc...
[13:41:40] <Kirben> Shows there is always a way to copy console games...
[13:41:55] <Colourless> that wouldn't work
[13:42:11] <Dominus> C: what wouldnīt ?
[13:42:24] <Colourless> the dreamcast discs are not normal CDs
[13:42:44] <Dominus> I know but thatīs how they warez those CDs
[13:43:17] <Dominus> newer Dreamcasts donīt support CD-Rs but the first edition does (and I donīt even know if they had the 2nd wave out)
[13:56:49] <Dominus> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm a good read on how newer DoS attacks go forth as Gibson was under attack himself. He examined the newest Sub7 and a program called Zombie. very interesting
[13:57:19] <Colourless> old news... for me. i read it about 2 weeks ago.
[13:57:22] <Colourless> :)
[13:57:31] <Dominus> :-(
[13:57:34] <Dominus> okay
[13:57:40] <Kirben> ditto
[13:57:46] <Kirben> old news
[13:57:47] <Dominus> but very interesting, isnīt it?
[13:57:52] <Colourless> yeah
[13:58:25] <Colourless> probably the wrong person to attempt to attack. too bad that the isp's didn't care
[13:58:35] <Dominus> a "friend" once tried to infect me with the backdoor and Sub7
[13:59:02] <wjp> my brother caught sub7 from someone in his school once too
[13:59:03] <Dominus> turned out he had infected my sisters Pc and a lot of other friends Pcs
[13:59:12] <Colourless> nice person
[13:59:14] <Dominus> pleaded not-guilty
[13:59:31] <Dominus> still donīt quite believe him
[13:59:32] <wjp> luckily the machine that was infected was IP MASQed, and so couldn't be reached
[14:00:05] <Dominus> I saw a little dos window pop up as it installed and got suspicious and found it right away
[14:00:53] <Colourless> i've never had any experience with things like that.
[14:01:18] <Dominus> I received this fun
[14:01:54] <Colourless> i've only ever got 1 virus as well, CIH, and that was at a lan party. I found we had gotten it very quickly. Getting rid of it though took hours
[14:02:01] <Dominus> exe from him, and as I know him face-to-face I didnīt bother to run a virus checker
[14:03:36] <Dominus> but back to gibson, itīs very funny that he got all this and as the FBI apparently likes to read his page this was very bad I reckon for that hacker community :-)
[14:04:41] <Colourless> hopefully
[14:05:43] <Colourless> his suggestions on ways to 'fix' problems with TCP/IP problems would be great, if people bothered to impliment them
[14:06:18] <Dominus> if people bothered to listen to him
[14:06:57] <Colourless> yeah
[14:07:29] <Dominus> if MS only bothered... but they are in denial as always
[14:08:10] <Colourless> as it stands MS isn't a problem... yet.
[14:08:24] <Dominus> yet
[14:09:50] <Colourless> you could argue that part of MS's most likely choice of putting the full sockets implimentation in XP is because of people in the UNIX community who criticize windows for not having one, when all along, it could be a huge problem for internet security
[14:10:49] <Dominus> they should make it custom installabel or something so that "normal" folk wonīt have it
[14:11:16] <Colourless> only put it in the server and advanced server versions
[14:11:33] <Colourless> Professional (workstation) and Home versions shouldn't need it
[14:11:50] <Dominus> yep, "normal" folks wonīt run that and admins should know how to work it
[14:31:10] <wjp> very interesting article
[14:31:19] <wjp> (the grcdos.htm one)
[14:31:19] <Dominus> :-)
[14:31:23] <wjp> a bit long, though :-)
[14:31:32] <Dominus> you got through it!
[14:31:37] <wjp> yeah :-)
[14:35:22] <Dominus> Kirben: that you who is mentioned at http://alive.singnet.com.sg/ ?
[14:35:47] <Dominus> new drivers for the SB-live ! btw
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[14:37:23] <Dominus> wow, that remark must have startled him good :-)
[14:37:27] <wjp> :-)
[14:37:40] <Colourless> hehe
[14:44:57] <Colourless> i would say it is him
[14:45:31] <Dominus> yeah, I saw it when it first popped up to ask him but never got around
[14:45:54] <Dominus> itīs one of the sites I scout out to install the latest drivers to screw up my W2k installation
[14:46:10] <Colourless> :)
[14:46:13] <Dominus> Iīm pretty good at it now (screwing it up I mean)
[14:46:21] <Colourless> if you've got a SB Live it's already screwed :)
[14:46:28] * Colourless knows from experience
[14:46:38] * Dominus nods
[14:47:00] <Dominus> though i have it worjking quite well now
[14:47:20] <Dominus> not to mention that ugly popping sound when opening up Exult
[14:48:23] <Dominus> which only goes away when adjusting the hardware accelaration of the Sound to none
[14:48:23] <Colourless> reminds me of dos games :)
[14:48:36] <Dominus> praise to VDMS
[14:48:44] <Colourless> :)
[14:48:46] <wjp> vdms?
[14:49:02] <Dominus> Sound emulator for NT/W2k
[14:49:24] <wjp> emulator?
[14:49:27] <wjp> what does it emulate?
[14:49:38] <Colourless> i did a cvs checkout of it and attempted to compile it with MSVC6++ (what it was made with) and for the life of me it just wouldn't compile
[14:49:52] <Colourless> Sound Cards for dos programs
[14:49:59] <Dominus> from a SB 1 to a good old SB16
[14:50:01] <wjp> ah, I see
[14:50:25] <Dominus> as in NT/W2k you donīt have that Dos box as in W9x
[14:50:35] <wjp> I know
[14:50:39] * wjp has win2k too
[14:50:49] * wjp just doesn't really use it often
[14:51:15] <Dominus> Vdms is developing quite nicely and the guy behind it (Vlad) is very easy going
[14:53:45] <wjp> [23:49:20] <Jopper> anyone alive in here?
[14:53:45] <wjp> [23:51:55] * chimera|wookin slowly topples forward, his face smashing into the ground, a dagger protruding out of his back
[14:53:52] <wjp> lol
[14:54:06] <Dominus> :-)
[14:54:27] <Colourless> hehe
[14:54:29] <Colourless> quote it
[14:55:16] <wjp> quite a lot of people coming in here the last couple of nights
[14:56:31] <Dominus> that smartass guy wrote me a mail as well asking me how to speed up Exult, gave him the same answer only that was two hours ago (that I wrote it)
[14:57:09] <wjp> upgrading his CPU will probably work best :-)
[14:57:19] <Colourless> yeah
[14:57:31] <wjp> 120Mhz is a bit on the slow side for exult
[14:57:39] <Colourless> i'm affraid we can't do those sorts of things
[14:57:47] <Colourless> afraid even
[14:57:53] <Dominus> but that reminds me to put that into the FAQ that the scalers slow down Exult
[14:58:01] <wjp> how about some kind of sys. reqs in the FAQ?
[14:58:28] <Colourless> but we don't know what they are
[14:58:34] <Dominus> really? (including no Vortex sound cards :-)) - Where is Kirben, when you need him
[14:58:42] <wjp> Colourless: good point :-)
[14:58:46] <wjp> I have to go
[14:58:47] <wjp> bbl
[14:58:52] <Colourless> ok
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[14:58:53] <Dominus> cu
[14:58:54] <Colourless> cya
[15:00:17] <Dominus> hmm, colouless, should I add something to the FAQ like is Origin helping Exult- answering that Origin is no more de facto, usecode lost, EA ignoring Exult
[15:00:30] <Dominus> usecode=sourcecode
[15:00:59] <Colourless> yeah, i would say so
[15:01:19] <Dominus> I noticed it coming up in the Forum once or twice every month
[15:02:31] <Dominus> and itīs one of the things I always forget when I update the FAQ (the intro synchronisation as well)
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[15:13:30] <Nadir> 'fternoon !
[15:14:14] <Dominus> hi
[15:20:42] <Colourless> hi
[15:23:40] <Nadir> Colourless: what about the face-stats ? have you had time to work on those ?
[15:23:55] <Colourless> no
[15:24:35] <Nadir> shame :)
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[15:45:57] <Dominus> bbl
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[16:41:38] <wjp> hi again
[16:41:43] <Colourless> hi
[16:42:07] <wjp> btw, it looks like I have a bit of trouble reading graphs... our page views went up to 1400/day recently... d/ls only to about 300/day
[16:42:26] <wjp> (and dropped to about 150/day now)
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[17:38:55] <freedman> Hello.
[17:39:00] <wjp> hi Jeff
[17:39:40] <Colourless> hi
[17:39:42] <freedman> Hi.
[17:40:19] <freedman> Do you happen to know which issue of CGW we're in? The ones in the stores are all sealed in plastic.
[17:40:41] <Colourless> i'd assume the July issue
[17:41:00] <wjp> I think it's the one that went on sale 6 June
[17:41:24] <freedman> I just don't want to waste money on the wrong one:-)
[17:41:41] <Colourless> which would probably be July. Magazines are usually released the previous month
[17:41:58] <wjp> it's probably only a _very_ small 'article', btw
[17:42:01] <freedman> Yes, that's the most recent.
[17:42:15] <freedman> wjp: Sounds like the same things as in GameStar.
[17:43:42] <freedman> Ryan: There's a bug that maybe you can help with.
[17:44:04] <Colourless> i'm listening
[17:44:42] <freedman> Another 'cached-in' egg in FoV. This is the one that creates the dragon, Artaxerxes.
[17:45:12] <freedman> The first time is when you get the gem from him. That works fine.
[17:45:48] <freedman> But then when you return with the Black Sword, it doesn't get hatched again because you never go far enough from the area.
[17:46:08] <Colourless> hmm
[17:46:46] <freedman> Do you think it would be okay to reset cached-in eggs whenever you teleport?
[17:47:53] <Colourless> yeah
[17:48:13] <Colourless> i think it would be ok
[17:48:17] <wjp> probably, as long as it's not on cheat teleports
[17:48:33] <Colourless> yeah, that probably wouldn't be a good idea
[17:48:43] <freedman> Maybe I'll try it tonight, then see if the Test-o-love still works.
[17:49:04] <freedman> Yes, it shouldn't happen with cheats.
[17:50:03] <wjp> are there any unknown intrinsics in that part of the game, btw?
[17:50:45] <freedman> Not sure. A lot of stuff flashes by too fast. I'll try capturing it next time.
[17:54:37] <wjp> dinner's ready, I have to go
[17:54:41] <wjp> see you later
[17:54:46] <freedman> See ya!
[17:56:50] <freedman> ... looking at Legume's problem on JackChaos.
[17:57:10] <freedman> Say.... have you thought of adding the 'global flags' cheat to your F2 screen?
[17:58:00] <Colourless> no, but now that it's been suggested
[17:58:15] <freedman> :-)
[18:06:18] <freedman> Linux 'Junkies'? I guess that's better than 'zealots':-)
[18:07:39] <wjp> hmm, turns out dinner wasn't ready after all
[18:07:46] * wjp is getting hungry
[18:08:11] <wjp> anyway, I've been taking a look at the 2 unknown intrinsics in the 'magic storm' spell
[18:08:33] <wjp> (or, specifically, in BG usecode 60F, which handles a single lightning strike)
[18:08:42] <freedman> And...
[18:09:02] <wjp> well, do you remember if the original flashed the screen with magic storm lightning?
[18:09:14] <wjp> if so, I'm pretty sure 5D does just that
[18:09:19] <freedman> I never used that spell.
[18:09:41] <freedman> ...but that makes sense.
[18:09:51] <wjp> and then there's 61, which damages a creature
[18:10:21] <freedman> Does it get used elsewhere in usecode?
[18:10:25] <wjp> it gets as parameters: monster's strength, 0x0c, 0x03, monster
[18:10:32] <wjp> hmm, any easy way to check?
[18:10:50] <freedman> Do you have the complete disassembly?
[18:11:01] <wjp> yeah, but it's a bit outdated
[18:11:17] <wjp> 5D is called several times, but each time near a sprite effect + sound effect
[18:11:44] <freedman> Sounds like a flash makes sense, then.
[18:11:59] <wjp> hmm, it's labeled "cause_blackout" by ucdump
[18:12:09] <wjp> (which is nonsense)
[18:12:19] <wjp> but at least it does point to a kind of display effect
[18:12:39] <freedman> They had lots of mistakes. But maybe they meant a momentary blackout.
[18:12:58] <wjp> doesn't make sense for a lightning storm, though
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[18:13:42] <wjp> 0x61 is called twice
[18:13:51] <smartass> good evening
[18:13:56] <wjp> once in the lightning storm, and once in 0x888
[18:13:57] <wjp> hi
[18:14:16] <freedman> I think it gets used in Skara Brae when you approach the evil mage's house.
[18:14:31] <wjp> ah, when you get hit by lightning too
[18:14:36] <smartass> umm
[18:15:06] <wjp> I guess it's some kind of 'do damage relative to strength' function
[18:15:26] <wjp> but I don't have a clue what the relation between the two is
[18:15:30] <smartass> shouldn't the time stop in the black gate when stats or inventory are being viewed?
[18:15:49] <wjp> smartass: opinions differ on that :-)
[18:15:52] <freedman> We'll do what we've always done: guess:-) Then someone will correct us.
[18:16:06] <smartass> so?
[18:16:28] <smartass> you mean that *will* be corrected?
[18:16:30] <Colourless> we've been told many times. we ignore :)
[18:16:33] <freedman> Smartass: We'll make it an option (like most everything else)
[18:16:33] <wjp> smartass: it doesn't stop in exult atm, but if someone feels like it, it may become an option
[18:16:38] <smartass> good
[18:17:37] <smartass> another problem (though it could be just my computer) is that the right button of mouse sometimes locks down
[18:17:46] <smartass> or the game thinks it is down
[18:17:50] <freedman> Could be your mouse:-)
[18:17:51] <wjp> freedman: the usecode function called on skara brae is 0x60f, not 0x888
[18:18:14] <freedman> Does it call the 5d intrinsic somewhere in there?
[18:18:18] <Colourless> could be windows, could be SDL, could be anything
[18:18:34] <smartass> hmm
[18:18:52] <wjp> oh, now dinner is ready... bbl :-)
[18:19:20] <freedman> Throw us some scraps?
[18:19:31] <wjp> but, to summarize: 5D is called in 60F ("hit by lightning" effect), which is called from (at least) 'magic storm', and approaching Horance
[18:19:56] <wjp> 61 is called in 60F and 888 (don't know what that one does yet)
[18:20:01] <freedman> Okay. I think it is some kind of flash. Will have to check the original U7.
[18:20:10] <wjp> yeah, 5D should be flash
[18:20:15] <wjp> and 61 damage
[18:20:23] <wjp> *gone* :-)
[18:20:28] <freedman> Sounds reasonable.
[18:20:33] <freedman> Bye
[18:22:31] <freedman> Now if I can just get those !*# weapon SFX's right.
[18:31:54] <freedman> I better get back to work.
[18:32:07] <freedman> Bye
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[18:58:15] <wjp> back
[19:04:14] <wjp> ah... that function (0x888) is called (very indirectly) from the conversation with the mage from FoV
[19:04:53] <Colourless> wb
[19:05:02] <wjp> thx
[19:05:18] <wjp> when he is killed, it is by a lightning strike, right?
[19:05:27] <Colourless> could be
[19:06:36] <wjp> no, wait, it's in the conversation with the Black Sword
[19:08:11] <wjp> when you're using it to kill LB
[19:08:32] <Colourless> ah
[19:09:16] <wjp> and also when killing Draxo_something
[19:09:44] <wjp> whenever using the 'death' ability, in fact
[19:14:28] <smartass> one more thing to fix: all dirt is called blood
[19:14:34] <smartass> is that supposed to be so?
[19:14:39] <smartass> dunno
[19:16:38] <wjp> hmm, what dirt do you mean?
[19:17:20] <wjp> things like vomit?
[19:17:59] <wjp> Colourless: whenever you click on anything the mouse changes to a hand, briefly
[19:18:29] <wjp> (until you move it)
[19:18:47] <Colourless> yeah i know. it's not my doing
[19:21:15] <wjp> smartass: it doesn't seem right, but I can't find any more useful names in the file that contains all the item names
[19:21:24] <Colourless> i think it's being caused by setup converstion mode or some such
[19:21:56] <wjp> that's only for double clicks
[19:23:54] <wjp> hmm, it's directly in the SDL_MOUSEBUTTONDOWN handler
[19:23:59] * wjp wonders why
[19:26:32] <smartass> dirt like vomit, yes
[19:26:56] <smartass> oh
[19:27:15] <smartass> i could check that when i go to my friend's palce
[19:27:18] <smartass> place
[19:27:44] <smartass> i mean, what is it called in the original version
[19:30:53] <wjp> thanks! (but don't go through too much trouble for it :-) )
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[19:57:53] <smartass> back again
[19:58:41] <smartass> my computer tilted when i went to sleep in someones bed
[19:58:59] <smartass> it was your fault >:[
[19:59:00] <wjp> using version 0.92?
[19:59:05] <smartass> hmm
[19:59:18] <smartass> if it's the most recent
[19:59:38] <smartass> 0.92alpha3
[19:59:40] <wjp> this bug is fixed in the recent development snapshots
[19:59:49] <smartass> oh
[20:00:17] <smartass> i'd better check what did those snapshots mean
[20:00:44] <wjp> they're the daily development versions
[20:00:56] <smartass> how can i get them?
[20:01:27] <wjp> ?snapshot
[20:01:27] <exultbot> You can find daily windows snapshots at: http://io.spaceports.com/~kirben/
[20:01:36] <smartass> thx
[20:12:13] <matt__> hey smartass!!! hehe
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[22:12:25] <smartass> phew
[22:12:48] <wjp> phew?
[22:12:53] <smartass> i've been playing black gate all night long
[22:13:04] <wjp> all night? it's only 00:15 ;-)
[22:13:06] <smartass> or evening
[22:13:21] <smartass> 1.15 here in finland
[22:13:28] <wjp> no daylight saving?
[22:13:41] <smartass> ?
[22:13:52] <wjp> daylight saving time or 'summertime' or something?
[22:13:59] <smartass> oh sure
[22:14:04] <smartass> yes there is
[22:14:28] <smartass> you mean it's pm there?
[22:14:37] <smartass> or where are you?
[22:14:38] <wjp> I didn't know finland was in a different timezone than the netherlands
[22:15:04] <smartass> it is
[22:15:05] <wjp> (which is where I'm from :-) )
[22:15:31] <smartass> i got a brilliant idea while playing
[22:15:41] <chimera|wookin> hmm... who's the smartass?
[22:15:49] <wjp> chimera|wookin: that one is getting old :-)
[22:15:51] <chimera|wookin> (now that colourless is gone hehe)
[22:16:11] <chimera|wookin> wjp: hehehe I just wanted to take advantage of colourless's absence.. he doesn't like me =]
[22:17:11] <chimera|wookin> if Finland is good enough for Linus Torvalds, it's good enough for me!
[22:17:30] <smartass> that is, why don't you guys really finish what LB intended to, and add more things to do in ultima 7
[22:17:35] <smartass> like smithing
[22:18:29] <smartass> i think you are only allowed to bake and make bandages out of wool and paint
[22:18:38] <chimera|wookin> hehe
[22:18:52] <smartass> smithing, at least would be cool
[22:19:02] <wjp> it's a possibility I guess
[22:19:03] <chimera|wookin> like making your own weapons?
[22:19:08] <smartass> yep
[22:19:37] <chimera|wookin> smartass: I'm sure your help adding those features would be much appreciated by the exult team
[22:19:49] <smartass> :)
[22:19:52] <wjp> :-)
[22:19:57] <smartass> i don't know if i can
[22:19:59] <smartass> ever
[22:20:09] <smartass> i'm just a lazy fat abbot
[22:21:41] <smartass> do you know, did richard garriott really leave origin?
[22:21:52] <wjp> yeah
[22:21:56] <smartass> why?
[22:22:28] <wjp> well... long story :-)
[22:22:37] <smartass> hmm
[22:22:43] <chimera|wookin> it's because ultima 9 did so poorly that they fired him
[22:22:51] <smartass> quite a pity
[22:22:52] <wjp> search around on the www a bit, there should be a lot of interviews/articles about it
[22:22:57] <chimera|wookin> but you won't hear that anywhere except from me!
[22:23:03] <chimera|wookin> (lol)
[22:23:08] <wjp> anyway, he's founded a new company "Destination Games" now
[22:23:13] <smartass> oh
[22:23:22] <chimera|wookin> actually as I understand it what happened was basically this:
[22:23:38] <chimera|wookin> they sold Origin to EA earlier in the 90's
[22:23:53] <chimera|wookin> by the time Ultima 9 came around, Origin didn't care much about the game
[22:24:06] <chimera|wookin> errr EA
[22:24:06] <chimera|wookin> EA didn't caer much about the game
[22:24:15] <chimera|wookin> EA had a few execs in charge of Origin who didn't care about Origin
[22:24:26] <chimera|wookin> Garriot and EA's people argued
[22:24:44] <chimera|wookin> EA was tired of Ultima 9 and forced them to release it prematurely
[22:25:01] <chimera|wookin> so Garriot had had enough ... he either got fired or quit ... it doesn't really matter which
[22:25:08] <chimera|wookin> and now he's back in control
[22:25:13] <smartass> but ea still has the copyrights of ultima?
[22:25:24] <chimera|wookin> but unless he has a lot of money, I'm not sure how he's going to be able to pay peopel for 2.5 years to make a new game
[22:25:24] <wjp> Destination Games is going to do online games, including something codenamed "Tabula Rasa" (or something, == blank slate), and distributing the succesful south-east-asian MMORPG Lineage in North America (and maybe elsewhere)
[22:25:39] <wjp> They're being paid by NCSoft (the creator of Lineage)
[22:25:54] <wjp> well, 'financially aided', I guess
[22:26:06] <chimera|wookin> ahh
[22:26:06] <smartass> ;l
[22:26:12] <chimera|wookin> I was wondering why I had never seen Lineage in any stores
[22:26:15] <chimera|wookin> it's korean only! hehe
[22:26:17] <wjp> smartass: EA has the 'Ultima' trademark, and RG 'Lord British'
[22:26:28] <smartass> :)
[22:26:44] <wjp> apparently people are even 'offline PKing' there occasionally
[22:26:49] <chimera|wookin> lol
[22:26:53] <chimera|wookin> those crazy Koreans!
[22:27:09] <chimera|wookin> I like to blame them for battle.net lag hehe
[22:27:19] <wjp> (well, maybe not actual killing, but beating up is supposedly happening a bit too often)
[22:29:02] <smartass> humm
[22:29:07] <smartass> ho eyoh ho humm
[22:29:23] <chimera|wookin> nothing like ever happens in the Netherlands or Finland though ..
[22:29:32] <chimera|wookin> err nothing like that
[22:29:44] <smartass> i'm glad of that
[22:29:57] <smartass> about
[22:30:03] <smartass> anyways
[22:30:22] <smartass> i should go to bed
[22:30:53] <wjp> yeah, me too, I guess
[22:31:10] <wjp> g'night
[22:31:12] <smartass> my friend is going to carry his computer to my place in twelve hours so i'd better be awake when he comes around
[22:31:18] <smartass> g'nite
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[22:31:30] <wjp> weird quit msg
[22:31:43] <chimera|wookin> hehehehe
[22:31:47] <wjp> sounds like it is from some kind of text adventure, somehow
[22:31:55] <chimera|wookin> yeah
[22:32:06] <chimera|wookin> sounds like he might be doing some offline MUD'ing himself
[22:35:03] <wjp> anyway, I'm going too
[22:35:04] <wjp> bye
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