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[03:40:33] <Quester> hi all
[03:41:40] <sbx> hi
[03:42:59] <sbx> how is your game modding coming along?
[03:43:55] <sbx> translating
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[04:22:18] <Quester> slow
[04:22:51] <Quester> we get new members, maybe will be faster
[04:24:23] <Quester> and my cvs server was closed. I want try get sourceforge.com cvs
[04:25:13] <sbx> do you communicate with artaxerxes?
[04:28:27] <Quester> no
[04:28:41] <Quester> we have difference ways to translate :)
[04:29:00] <Quester> hi use standart font and php&perl&apache
[04:29:40] <Quester> i make my own font, use cvs and text editors, lake ultraedit, or texteditor in FAR manager
[04:30:19] <Quester> but he very help me in start, when i try to decompile scripts
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[04:56:25] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[04:56:36] <sbx> hi
[05:02:04] * Sheng_Gradilla hugs sbx
[05:07:02] <sbx> Sheng_Gradilla: thanks for giving a link to cdaccess.com, i just got arcanum from there
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[05:10:06] <Quester> what type of license better for translation? GPL?
[05:10:45] <Quester> or AFL?
[05:12:27] <sbx> i dunno
[05:22:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> that depends
[05:22:13] <Sheng_Gradilla> what are you trying to protect?
[05:22:20] <Sheng_Gradilla> do you even read licenses?
[05:22:57] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's not like you just slap a license to some work
[05:23:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> the license has to protect your interests
[05:24:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> the question is: what interests are you trying to protect? Do this or that license protect such interests?
[05:25:47] <Quester> for translation
[05:25:47] <Quester> i translate ultima 7 bg in russian
[05:26:25] <Sheng_Gradilla> that's not an appropriate answer
[05:26:49] <Sheng_Gradilla> the translation is a final product
[05:27:05] <sbx> he cant protect anything
[05:27:09] <sbx> its still origin's content
[05:27:13] <sbx> just in another language
[05:27:29] <Sheng_Gradilla> in that part you are correct
[05:27:33] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's derivative work
[05:28:26] <Sheng_Gradilla> if memory serves, under copyright law, all derived works are copyright of the original author
[05:28:34] <Colourless> that is correct
[05:28:41] <Quester> hm
[05:29:03] <Sheng_Gradilla> translation is a derived work
[05:29:41] <Sheng_Gradilla> the game counts like a book
[05:30:06] <Quester> I just try to get cvs hosting from sourceforge
[05:30:25] <Quester> and need select a license
[05:31:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> remakes, translations, movies based on it, all are derived works
[05:31:30] <sbx> just select soemthing random
[05:31:39] <Colourless> gpl if working with exult
[05:31:39] <Sheng_Gradilla> you can't legally put a license to it
[05:31:48] <Colourless> you may need to do some things with exult's sourcecode
[05:32:22] <Colourless> shouldn't... but any component that is part of exult is gpl, so if you want to write an installer and use some of exult's source code, you'll need to be gpl
[05:32:27] <Quester> i finished translation on 70%
[05:33:40] <Quester> i dont need do something with exult sources, i change only usecode and shapes
[05:37:12] <Sheng_Gradilla> select whichever license you want from that list, but have in mind that you don't have the legal position to do it
[05:37:33] <Quester> ok
[05:37:56] <Quester> thanks for help
[05:38:23] <Sheng_Gradilla> and lets all pray so that EA keeps turning away their sight
[05:38:53] <Quester> in Russia some laws works not so good :)
[05:39:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> sourceforge is not in Russia
[05:39:44] <Quester> yes, but lost hosting is not so bed things
[05:41:12] <Quester> artaxerxes get sourceforge hosting for franch translation... maybe he knows what type of license needs
[05:41:37] <sbx> china is best when it comes to copyright law enforcement :)
[05:41:41] <sbx> er, worst
[05:42:08] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's a cultural thing
[05:42:16] <sbx> worse than russia i think :)
[05:42:36] <Sheng_Gradilla> there is a chinese saying, which I don't remember correctly, but goes something like this:
[05:42:50] <Sheng_Gradilla> "If they copy you, it's a compliment"
[05:43:14] <Sheng_Gradilla> copying is seen with good eyes in China
[05:43:39] <Quester> i think is nothing bed, if i make translation, couse i will don't selling it
[05:45:04] <Sheng_Gradilla> that's the reason China is now with a strong pro-free software campaign
[05:45:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> because free software is more attuned to their culture
[05:46:35] <sbx> "We will take you to the hidden pirate island, AKA Hong Kong."
[05:47:04] <Quester> Sheng_Gradilla, I belive it is not right. In Siberia many chinese, and i see - all they wants - only get profits. many of siberian resources - forests, minerals was buying or stolen be chinesse. they are like locust
[05:48:14] <Sheng_Gradilla> Quester: I don't understand what you said... it's difficult
[05:48:27] <Quester> after "culture revoluton" chinese is not like earlier
[05:49:43] <Quester> I mean - "copy it is not culture tradition
[05:50:02] <Quester> it is just way to get profit
[05:50:37] <sbx> yeah they sell discs in the street
[05:51:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> this is a world of profitting, unfortunately
[05:51:14] <Sheng_Gradilla> if you want to survive, you have to make a profit
[05:51:33] <Sheng_Gradilla> this world is mainly capitalist, unfortunately
[05:51:40] * sbx is a Profiteer.
[05:51:44] <sbx> oops
[05:51:46] * sbx is a Privateer.
[05:51:48] <Sheng_Gradilla> and it has affected many cultures, not just the chinese
[05:52:35] <Sheng_Gradilla> in my country, there is a lot of copying too
[05:52:45] <sbx> i can't wait till we can profit in outer space
[05:53:00] <Sheng_Gradilla> it is because people looks for a way to make a profit and survive
[05:54:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> people steals, assails, kills, sells pirated merchancy...
[05:54:38] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's not just the chinese
[05:54:44] <sbx> yes, i moonlight as an assassin
[05:54:54] <Sheng_Gradilla> you only notice the chinese because they are your neighbors
[05:55:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> I notice the people in my own country
[05:55:24] <Sheng_Gradilla> and I notice the USA stealing our resources too
[05:55:31] <Sheng_Gradilla> USA, the big bully
[05:55:51] <Quester> Canada?
[05:55:52] <Sheng_Gradilla> we can't protest because they immediately pass some ban on us
[05:56:02] <Sheng_Gradilla> Mexico
[05:56:22] <Quester> yeah, I understand you
[05:56:31] <sbx> what resources are we stealing? you dont own the gulf of mexico
[05:56:58] <Sheng_Gradilla> do you know the story about the tuna ban?
[05:57:02] <sbx> no
[05:57:07] <sbx> why would I know that?
[05:57:23] <Sheng_Gradilla> we can't sell our tuna because the USA put a ban on us
[05:57:39] <sbx> so?
[05:57:48] <Sheng_Gradilla> but the USA has a license to fish our tuna and sell it
[05:58:04] <Sheng_Gradilla> tuna was one of our strongest ways to profit
[05:58:15] <sbx> you cant revoke the license?
[05:58:37] <Sheng_Gradilla> you know what happens if we revoke it?
[05:58:41] <Sheng_Gradilla> I guess you don't
[05:58:49] <sbx> no you'll have to tell me
[05:59:13] <Sheng_Gradilla> the big bully will invent another lie and put another ban on us
[05:59:20] <Quester> embargo?
[05:59:23] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes
[05:59:28] <sbx> what embargo?
[05:59:34] <sbx> its an import ban
[05:59:47] <sbx> how would you know whether its based on a lie or not?
[05:59:52] <sbx> just because mexico says it is
[06:00:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> now see it from a different perspective
[06:00:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> how would you know whether it's true or not? Just because the USA, the big bully of the world, said it?
[06:01:10] <sbx> yes
[06:01:12] <Quester> yeah, i agree with Sheng_Gradilla
[06:01:22] <Quester> now, than secret services open many documents
[06:01:33] <sbx> it's not necessary to use disrespectful language in every reference to it
[06:01:44] <sbx> any country can ban any import it wants, this free trade wto nonsense is overrated
[06:01:47] <Quester> our televisions watch many about cold war
[06:02:17] <Sheng_Gradilla> the USA threatened the other countries so they wouldn't buy our tuna either
[06:02:24] <Quester> and many facts about america
[06:02:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> "Japan, don't buy mexican tuna, or else I won't buy your cars anymore"
[06:03:04] <sbx> with a global economy I'm sure all countries deal with eachother the same
[06:03:33] <sbx> well except mexico perhaps you are noble
[06:06:14] <Quester> we talking about licenses... :) or i wrong?
[06:06:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> :D
[06:06:31] <sbx> apparently
[06:07:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> well, I guess it went into a discussion about the consequences of global misery, and about the main causes
[06:07:21] <Quester> all around ours countrys is work of politicians
[06:07:32] <Sheng_Gradilla> yea
[06:07:38] <Sheng_Gradilla> poly means many
[06:07:51] <Sheng_Gradilla> ticks are bloodsucking parasites
[06:07:56] <Sheng_Gradilla> thus politics
[06:08:03] <sbx> heh where did you hear that? :)
[06:08:10] <sbx> i havnt
[06:08:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> search the fortune files
[06:09:15] <sbx> oh
[06:09:28] <sbx> ok, I usually disable those first thing :)
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[06:11:47] <Quester> Colourless, Exult3D will be integrated with original Exult?
[06:12:20] <Colourless> i doubt it any time soon
[06:18:05] <Sheng_Gradilla> time to sleep
[06:18:08] <sbx> bye
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[06:18:16] <Sheng_Gradilla> bye
[06:18:35] <Quester> buy
[06:18:59] <Quester> sbx, what your town?
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[06:21:37] <sbx> tulsa, OK
[06:21:38] <sbx> you?
[06:21:52] <Quester> Abakan, Khakassia
[06:21:53] <Quester> :)
[06:22:10] <Quester> south of western Siberia
[06:22:17] <sbx> oh :)
[06:30:28] <Harbinger[Food]> Mmm. T-Town :]
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[15:39:19] <sbx> How come exult forum moderators get to edit their posts but us plebians don't?
[15:41:27] <Kabalx> the answer is in the question probably :)
[15:43:39] <wjp> because non-linear discussion are confusing
[15:43:43] <wjp> s/ion/ions/
[15:43:58] <sbx> yes
[15:44:11] <sbx> it's still as confusing when you edit them :)
[15:44:29] <sbx> at least it says [edit] that's good
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[15:44:54] <sbx> but i agree
[15:45:30] <Colourless> it doesn't say edit though
[15:45:35] <wjp> no, it doesn't :-)
[15:45:45] <sbx> it does because you make it
[15:45:50] <wjp> I usually add that manually when moderating a post
[15:45:52] <Colourless> if i edit someones posts i'll say.. .except if i edit my own
[15:45:59] <sbx> ok sorry
[15:46:10] <sbx> what I meant is "At least you added [edit], that's good"
[15:46:29] <sbx> I guessed that
[15:46:47] <Colourless> except in thread that will remain unmentioned... i edited posts there without telling :-)
[15:47:39] <Colourless> s/thread/topic/
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[19:47:01] <Dominus> hi
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[19:54:05] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[19:54:13] * Sheng_Gradilla hugs Dominus
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