#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 15 May 2002 (GMT)

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[11:14:15] <Colourless> hi
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[12:31:56] <Dominus> hi
[12:39:06] <Dominus> another bug with the Auto-combine
[12:51:41] <Dominus> yeah, I'm the bug master once more!!! the most open bugs were submitted by me right now :-)
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[13:01:08] <Dominus> hi
[13:01:42] <royalsexy> hey Dominus :)
[13:01:48] <royalsexy> whats shakin?
[13:02:10] <Dominus> only the auto-combine bugs introduced by Jeff :-)
[13:03:06] <Dominus> though it is nice to have auto-combine at least
[13:07:06] <Dominus> and my backside can be seen at http://fm4.orf.at/connected/86123/main (number 44)
[13:08:14] * royalsexy goes to look just out of curiosity
[13:12:30] <Colourless> hi Dominus
[13:12:48] <Dominus> response time is lacking again :-)
[13:12:49] <royalsexy> hey thats not a bad backside at all :P
[13:13:01] <royalsexy> hehe
[13:13:32] <Colourless> i wasn't exactly in this room :-)
[13:13:40] <Colourless> bit hard to respond if you aren't here
[13:13:48] <Dominus> he he
[13:13:58] <royalsexy> how are you this evening Colourless?
[13:15:07] <Dominus> anything more you want to have tested with ES?
[13:15:28] <Colourless> royalsexy: i am fine.
[13:15:34] <Colourless> Dominus: nothing yet
[13:15:47] <Dominus> ok
[13:16:16] <Dominus> well, in that case I'm logging of and return later :-)
[13:17:41] <Dominus> see you then
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[13:54:32] <EsBee-Eks> hello
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[14:19:27] <Fingolfin> yo
[14:22:27] <Colourless> hi
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[15:53:06] <wjp> hi
[15:53:16] <Colourless> hi
[15:54:16] <wjp> elections here today... I need to figure out which party to vote for... *sigh* :-)
[15:54:23] * wjp has 3 hours left :-)
[15:54:44] <Colourless> generally people vote for the person/party they don't want least :-)
[15:54:55] <wjp> yeah :-)
[16:01:49] <wjp> hm, no reactions to your savegame-test binary yet? :/
[16:02:18] <Colourless> nope. i think it's too 'early'
[16:02:47] <Colourless> wait till tomorrow
[16:03:09] <wjp> yeah, I guess :-)
[16:03:19] <wjp> anyway, I think I'll go vote now
[16:03:24] <wjp> bbl
[16:03:28] <Colourless> cya
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[16:07:51] <Fingolfin> gotta go home, bbl
[16:08:00] <Colourless> cya
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[16:16:24] * wjp just voted for the first time.. yay :-)
[16:16:34] <wjp> I was 20 days to young to vote the last time :-) (4 years ago)
[16:18:58] <Colourless> my sister could beat you. one election she was 1 day too young :-)
[16:19:24] <wjp> hehe :-)
[16:20:45] <Colourless> from memory i think i have voted 3 times
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[16:23:47] <Dominus> hi
[16:23:52] <wjp> hi
[16:23:54] <Colourless> hi
[16:24:17] <Dominus> that was fast enough :-)
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[16:55:30] <Fingolfin> rehi
[16:55:36] <Colourless> wb
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[18:04:40] <armav> hi
[18:09:09] <Fingolfin> yo
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[18:29:14] * Darke bows. Hello.
[18:31:05] <Darke> wjp: Remember back when you were running memprof over exult & it's tools, and you found a 16 byte memory leak with strstream? It was, apparently, a library bug and has just been fixed. *grin* I wonder how long it'd been there for.
[18:31:24] <wjp> hehe :-)
[18:32:04] <Darke> This was just fixed in 3.0.x, and I'm pretty sure you were using it in a 2.95.x gcc, so it looks like it's been there quite some time. *grin*
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[19:26:34] <wjp> yeah, it was in 2.95.x
[19:26:47] <wjp> (although RH calls it 2.96...)
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[20:59:20] <Dominus> once more HI
[21:01:13] <Darke> Hello again. *grin*
[21:02:25] * Darke wonders when the winners of those linuxformat.co.uk awards will finally be posted on the web. *grin* Their mag with the results in it has been out almost a month...
[21:03:13] <Dominus> bah it will never come out as they would have to congratulate us :-)
[21:04:40] * Darke really can't see us winning since we did go up against Loki. But still, it was more then a little surreal to be listed up with them. *grin*
[21:05:26] <Dominus> true
[21:07:32] <Darke> I expect that sf.net will likely win in it's catagory, and that Loki will likely win the games catagory posthumously.
[21:08:08] <Dominus> yeah I guess so, too
[21:08:29] <Darke> Of course, I'll likely be able to pick up a copy of the magazine in about 2 months time in .au, even if they don't eventually release the results on the web. *grin*
[21:08:59] <wjp> heh, I'd forgotten all about that
[21:09:15] <wjp> linux format.. hmm.. I'll see if I can find that here if I remember
[21:09:42] * Darke checked up on it about a month ago, but this edition was about to go on sale the next day, then he completely forgot about it. *grin*
[21:09:57] <wjp> in fact... someone I know has the magazine I think... (he pointed at the poll to me)
[21:10:05] <wjp> s/at/out/
[21:10:42] <Darke> Cool. Hopefully they'll actually list the 1st/2nd/3rd places, so we can see where exult fell.
[21:14:48] <Dominus> anyone still has the link to the poll?
[21:15:04] <wjp> hm, I guess I mentioned it in here once, right?
[21:15:18] * wjp greps
[21:15:22] <Darke> It doesn't list them anymore. It just says 'look for issue 27 out on $date for the result'.
[21:15:25] <wjp> http://linuxformat.co.uk/awards
[21:15:46] * Darke did the same thing to find it. Except he googled. *grin*
[21:21:18] <Dominus> wjp: so what did you vote for?
[21:21:30] <Dominus> don'T have to answer - just had to ask :-)
[21:21:47] <wjp> Exult of course! :-) (yes, I know you don't mean the linuxformat awards ;-) )
[21:22:01] <Dominus> lol
[21:22:08] <wjp> D66
[21:22:34] <wjp> One of the parties in the government the last 8 years, and so one of the big losers today
[21:22:49] <wjp> (all current government parties have been halved in size)
[21:23:50] <Dominus> how did the party of that guy who got shot fare?
[21:24:18] <wjp> quite good, sadly
[21:24:27] <wjp> second largest according to the latest estimates
[21:24:29] * Dominus hasn't watched news tonight and doesn't want to look at online news
[21:24:35] <Dominus> bah
[21:25:19] <Dominus> oh, btw, was there anything found out of the motives of the shooter?
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[21:27:41] <wjp> he won't talk
[21:30:15] <Dominus> too bad
[22:04:37] <Darke> Scary. There's an alt.games.ea.origin.crusader newsgroup that's been in existance since 1999, but has had only 15 posts... talk about a dead group.
[22:05:29] <Dominus> he he
[22:05:35] <Darke> No, there is _absolutely_ no reason for me to be hunting around crusader stuff. Really!
[22:06:09] <Dominus> I don't know what you are talking about
[22:06:16] <Dominus> crus... what?
[22:06:40] <Darke> I'm guessing ea/origin created it along with half a dozen other almost dead groups in that heirachy too.
[22:08:44] <Dominus> probably
[22:08:56] <Dominus> but a little late for that actually
[22:11:05] * Darke suspects it was done in planning for the 'crusader 2' that he only just read a few references to, which appeared to have died when origin became a one trick pony.
[22:12:02] <Dominus> isn't crusader - no ...(whatever) meant to be 1 and 2 ?
[22:12:09] * Darke should sit down and actually play these two games, along with U8. *grin* The crusader games look _really_ fun, and from the descriptions it seems that they really take advantage of the flexability of the usecode.
[22:12:37] <Darke> Apparently not, No Remorse/No Regret appears to have been like BG/SI.
[22:12:53] <Dominus> I tried to but the games won't run with more than 128 MB
[22:13:06] <Dominus> I actually played the 1st one a bit ages ago
[22:13:25] * Darke has 128Meg in his windows box. *grin* Maybe it'll work. Even then, there's vmware if necessary.
[22:14:32] <Dominus> Recently I tried to get them playing for hours until I realized the crusaders and u8 had this limit and sadly no one tried to make something like U8run
[22:16:04] <wjp> I have to go
[22:16:06] <wjp> 'night
[22:16:09] <Darke> Night!
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[22:16:13] <Dominus> night
[22:16:35] * Darke expects that as soon as we get pentagram into a minimally playable state, we'll get inundated with requests to support the crusader games too. *grin*
[22:16:44] <Darke> If just for that reason.
[22:17:16] <Dominus> well, PEntagram is not Exult is it? :-) (standard reply, I know :-))
[22:17:55] <Darke> Of course. *grin*
[22:18:49] <Dominus> well it would certainly help if anyone of us had ever played those games :-)
[22:21:08] <Darke> That's the reason I wanted to try and play the games through. *grin*
[22:22:05] <Dominus> he
[22:22:11] <Darke> If just to see if the higher resolution of NoRegret, is just that they've added better graphics support to the engine, or if they've actually made the graphics a higher resolution too. *grin*
[22:22:59] <Darke> It looks like almost no-one has actually searched into the internals of crusader, from what I can see.
[22:23:06] <Dominus> I remember the graphics being much nicer and smoother
[22:23:27] * Darke looks at the clock and hmms. Reality is going to distract him soon for about an hour.
[22:23:42] <Dominus> damn reality :-)
[22:23:47] <Darke> In any event, I'd like to see it. *grin*
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[22:24:17] <Dominus> well, you could get wjp to support Crusader graphics :-)
[22:25:23] <Darke> Weird. It looks like the german version of crusader actually removed the blood/violence or something out of it, since someone created patches to the .exe to reenable it.
[22:26:20] <Dominus> yeah, that'S common with German versions, green or no blood
[22:27:31] * Darke knows. He still finds it a little bizzare. *grin* That they's patches means that at least one person knows a little bit about the engine, I'll do some websearching for it, once I've 'finished' with google. *grin*
[22:28:12] <Dominus> I wager it's more like a crack, some person looked at the differences and then made a patch
[22:28:30] <Darke> Here's the 'announcement' of NoRegret's release: *grin* http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crusader+remorse+regret&start=40&hl=en&scoring=r&selm=519gm5%24mms%40newsbf02.news.aol.com&rnum=43
[22:28:37] <Darke> Most likely.
[22:30:13] <Darke> Hmm... they apparently added 'real lighting' in Regret. That could be at least one 'problem'.
[22:31:05] <Dominus> hm, just wait until we get there :-)
[22:31:09] <Darke> As in, if you destroy a light source, things become 'darker'. *grin*
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[22:31:13] <Darke|afk> Cya.
[22:31:26] <Dominus> see you
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[23:29:53] <Darke|afk> Dominus: Just a mention of Crusader2/NoRemorse/NoRegret, and the differences between them I tripped over: "In the June issue of PC Games there was a sneak peak of Crusader: No Regret. They said it wasn't going to be a full sequel, more of a Crusader 1.5... They also said the next Crusader, currently titled Crusader: No Mercy, would be a real sequel with a whole new engine."
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[23:36:44] <Darke> Oh the optimism in a post dated September '96: *grin* "Not for No Regret. Multiplayer support will be in Crusader II, due for
[23:36:44] <Darke> October '97. It will feature a whole new engine for movement and
[23:36:44] <Darke> graphics, and hence the new engine will support multiplayer..."