#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 16 Jun 2001 (GMT)

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[15:50:09] <CaliMonk> heya
[15:50:14] <CaliMonk> i just wanted to say
[15:50:25] <CaliMonk> that the stuff everone can carry is seriously messed up
[15:50:30] <wjp> hi
[15:50:32] <CaliMonk> my avatar can carry '60'
[15:50:35] <CaliMonk> its at 28
[15:50:37] <CaliMonk> i have 2 bags
[15:50:41] <CaliMonk> and 1 map + book
[15:50:45] <CaliMonk> and i can't put in another bag
[15:50:52] <CaliMonk> while like 3 releases early
[15:50:55] <CaliMonk> i had 3 bags
[15:51:00] <CaliMonk> i just had to make room for candalite
[15:51:01] <CaliMonk> also
[15:51:11] <wjp> I think the original only allowed a few bags too
[15:51:16] <CaliMonk> i can't even carry more then 4 pieces of candalite in a bag with only a flute!
[15:51:26] <wjp> caddellite is big :-)
[15:51:27] <CaliMonk> well i always had 3 bags
[15:51:30] <CaliMonk> i just replaced it
[15:51:32] <CaliMonk> big?
[15:51:37] <CaliMonk> god its this tiny little rock
[15:51:48] <wjp> well, you can make helmets out of it...
[15:51:49] <CaliMonk> they were all carrying alot
[15:52:00] <CaliMonk> and now i had to drop 30%
[15:52:03] <CaliMonk> on the ground
[15:52:11] <CaliMonk> and now i can't take anything back
[15:52:14] <CaliMonk> coz its 'too full"
[15:52:20] <CaliMonk> won't fit
[15:52:20] <CaliMonk> even
[15:52:43] <CaliMonk> i had 3 bags 1 spellbook + 1 map
[15:52:44] <CaliMonk> all the time
[15:52:48] <wjp> we didn't properly calculate volumes until a few weeks ago
[15:52:54] <CaliMonk> and now it suddenly won't fit anymore
[15:52:59] <CaliMonk> hm
[15:53:35] <CaliMonk> well my avatar has 1 bag for reagents, 1 bag for keys and 1 bag for all those important items
[15:53:42] <CaliMonk> now 1 bag won't fit anymore
[15:54:05] <wjp> I'd just give it to a party member
[15:54:06] <CaliMonk> if my avatar has '28'
[15:54:10] <CaliMonk> of his '60
[15:54:16] <CaliMonk> and his backpack is full
[15:54:17] <wjp> 28/60 is weigth, not volume
[15:54:20] <CaliMonk> why allow 60
[15:54:20] <wjp> weight
[15:54:24] <CaliMonk> well
[15:54:26] <CaliMonk> if its already full
[15:54:30] <CaliMonk> after 4 pieces of candalite
[15:54:32] <CaliMonk> anda flute
[15:54:38] <CaliMonk> at just 30/60
[15:54:45] <CaliMonk> why allow 60 at all
[15:54:49] <wjp> because you carry light but big things
[15:54:56] <CaliMonk> well
[15:54:59] <CaliMonk> now my backpack
[15:55:02] <CaliMonk> has 28/60
[15:55:04] <wjp> if you carry things like powderkegs, heavy armour, etc, you could use the weight
[15:55:07] <CaliMonk> with 2 bags and 1 book + map
[15:55:13] <wjp> but 60 is only because of FoV, usually it's 30
[15:55:14] <CaliMonk> bah
[15:55:16] <CaliMonk> thats fcuked
[15:55:32] <CaliMonk> i guess i need to find out how i can spread all this stuff
[15:55:35] <CaliMonk> coz everyone else is full too
[15:55:46] <wjp> dump the useless stuff :-)
[15:55:47] <CaliMonk> you need to carry gold, food, etc
[15:55:49] <CaliMonk> but now
[15:55:53] <CaliMonk> almost nothings fits anymore
[15:56:14] <wjp> did you check with the original?
[15:56:17] <CaliMonk> yea
[15:56:25] <CaliMonk> i used to be able to carry alot more
[15:56:35] <CaliMonk> i always did 3 bags + book + amp
[15:56:44] <CaliMonk> oh well
[15:56:51] <CaliMonk> guess its time to get a seventh member
[15:57:58] <wjp> if you're sure about Exult being different than the original, you could send a mail to the ML, or post on the forum. Jeff might tweak the volume calculation some more
[15:58:17] <CaliMonk> he'll probably read this
[15:58:32] <wjp> possibly
[15:58:42] <CaliMonk> i'll take my chances
[15:58:49] <CaliMonk> =)
[15:58:52] <wjp> :-)
[15:59:28] <CaliMonk> bbiab
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[16:09:46] <wjp> hi
[17:40:40] <Colourless> hi
[17:41:35] <wjp> ---Hi reply from Colourless : 1 hour, 30 minutes ;-)
[17:42:45] <Colourless> :)
[17:42:59] <Colourless> i'm busy :)
[17:43:50] <wjp> I see :-)
[17:44:58] <wjp> doing anything interesting?
[17:45:17] <Colourless> perhaps
[19:10:30] * Colourless has to restart into Win98
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[20:44:34] <Colourless> i'm back!
[20:44:57] <matt0> welcome back!
[20:46:04] <Colourless> thx
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[21:20:38] <CorsairK8> hi
[21:21:02] <Colourless> hi
[21:21:54] <CorsairK8> This seems interesting, whats the project about?
[21:22:53] <Colourless> we are attempting to recreate the Ultima VII and Serpent Isle engines
[21:23:26] <CorsairK8> i see
[21:23:38] <CorsairK8> will i need the actual game data to use the engine?
[21:24:03] <Colourless> you will need the original game data
[21:24:13] <CorsairK8> hm
[21:24:21] <CorsairK8> but i dont have the original data
[21:24:30] <CorsairK8> does that mean i cant play the game?
[21:24:40] <matt0> CorsairK8: I believe you are correct
[21:24:41] <Colourless> no you wont
[21:24:51] <CorsairK8> oh...
[21:26:18] <CorsairK8> are there any demo versions of the game that will work with your engine?
[21:27:23] <matt0> I don't think so
[21:27:30] <CorsairK8> oh...
[21:27:38] <matt0> I don't think companies started releasing demos to games until DOOM revolutioned the concept
[21:27:43] <CorsairK8> does this game work over the internet?
[21:28:31] <Colourless> nope, it's single player only
[21:28:32] <matt0> I can't think of how that would work
[21:28:42] <CorsairK8> aw
[21:28:50] <CorsairK8> whats the point of a single player mmorpg?
[21:28:59] <Colourless> it's not a mmorpg
[21:29:03] <CorsairK8> its not?
[21:29:11] <Colourless> it's just a RGP
[21:29:12] <CorsairK8> i thought uo7 was an mmorpg
[21:29:13] <Colourless> RPG
[21:29:53] <Colourless> Ultima VII and Serpent Isle are from 1992. They are prequals if you will to Ultima Online
[22:01:20] <wjp> b
[22:01:34] <matt0> wjp!
[22:01:39] <Colourless> wb!
[22:01:40] <wjp> matt!
[22:01:44] <wjp> thx :-)
[22:02:05] <Colourless> i responded much quicker that time :)
[22:02:18] <matt0> :D
[22:02:23] <wjp> yeah, within the hour even ;-)
[22:02:33] <Colourless> hehe
[22:03:56] <matt0> wjp: I'm surprised to see you up this late
[22:04:09] <wjp> only midnight
[22:04:26] <matt0> oh.. right.. =]
[22:04:35] <Colourless> bah. He's still got over 7 and a half hours to go, if he wants be up later than me
[22:04:38] <wjp> Colourless is the one who's up late :-)
[22:04:46] <wjp> right ;-)
[22:04:47] <matt0> oh yeah? hehe
[22:05:01] <matt0> good heavens! hehe
[22:05:27] <matt0> I was at a friend's house playing LAN games until 05:00 then I had to drive home =(
[22:06:07] <Colourless> sounds like something a mate and i did once...
[22:06:13] <wjp> driving is fun when there's nobody else on the road :-)
[22:06:24] * Colourless is spooked (explination to follow)
[22:06:44] <Colourless> the mate of mine who did that with me is called matt too
[22:06:44] <matt0> it was a lot of fun hehe ... we played unreal tournament, counterstrike, half life deathmatch, and team fortress classic .. basically a lot of half life
[22:06:57] <matt0> hehe ...
[22:07:08] <Colourless> of course we didn't play half life. pretty much just UT
[22:07:36] * wjp never played many LAN games :/
[22:07:47] <Colourless> which I had never played before and still managed to be better than all the others there... except for my friend matt, who also had never played it before either
[22:07:58] <wjp> hehe :-)
[22:07:59] <matt0> good for you, Colourless!
[22:08:31] <Colourless> :)
[22:09:48] <matt0> I haven't tried exult for a while, I think it's time to remedy that situation
[22:10:44] * wjp is shocked
[22:10:59] * matt0 hangs head in shame
[22:11:19] <wjp> :-)
[22:11:24] <wjp> now go stand in the corner!
[22:11:34] <wjp> ;-)
[22:11:46] * Colourless sets mode matt0 +stand_in_corner
[22:12:03] <wjp> lol
[22:12:16] <matt0> I want to see what the deal is with Furnace ... hee
[22:12:19] --- wjp has changed the topic to: * Colourless sets mode matt0 +stand_in_corner
[22:13:16] * wjp is wondering what to do
[22:13:34] <wjp> I could go play some more U9
[22:14:01] <Colourless> you could finish making Exult for the rest of us if you are bored
[22:14:12] <wjp> or I could go and over-comment my univ.project code...
[22:14:37] <Colourless> heh. reminds me of when I was at uni
[22:14:45] <wjp> (somehow we're always expected to comment for 5 year olds or something)
[22:15:02] <Colourless> example:
[22:15:15] <Colourless> int cost_per_unit; /* The cost per unit */
[22:15:23] <wjp> right, that kind of thing :-)
[22:15:29] <matt0> hehe
[22:15:39] <wjp> for (int i=0; i<10; i++) // loop from 0 to 10
[22:16:46] <wjp> sometimes I wonder if the people who grade those things even know C
[22:17:31] <matt0> 0 to 9?
[22:17:43] <wjp> depends on how your interpret 'to' :-)
[22:17:48] <wjp> s/your/you/
[22:17:57] <matt0> I figured as much <grin>
[22:18:16] <wjp> maybe they'll subtract points for ambiguous comments :-)
[22:18:41] <Colourless> you should put // loop from 0 up to and excluding 10
[22:18:50] <matt0> hehe
[22:18:53] <wjp> :-)
[22:18:57] <Colourless> or // loop from 0 up to and including 10
[22:19:08] <wjp> or like the 'holy handgrenade' :-)
[22:19:25] * matt0 wonders if Colourless will add 'global flags' to his cheat screen
[22:19:54] * Colourless doesn't like bing pressured
[22:20:02] <Colourless> being even
[22:20:28] <matt0> lol
[22:21:08] <matt0> easy there, Colourless .. I was just quoting a message from DrCode, just giving you a hard time
[22:21:22] <matt0> I don't even know what he is talking about in that message
[22:21:33] <Colourless> hehe
[22:21:41] <Colourless> I do, and it will be very easy to do
[22:22:12] <Colourless> probably take me 30 mins max
[22:24:27] <wjp> / this loop shall count to nine. no more. no less. nine shalt be the number this loop shall count, and the number of the counting shall be nine. ten shall it not count, nor either count to eight, excepting that thou then proceed to nine. eleven is right out. once the number nine, being the ninth number, be reached, the loop, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it
[22:24:59] <wjp> or something like that :-)
[22:25:02] <matt0> hehehe
[22:25:21] <Colourless> hehe
[22:26:07] <wjp> hmm... might be fun to actually put in that comment :-)
[22:27:06] * wjp is still wondering what to do.... (looking up Monty Python quotes doesn't take long enough :-) )
[22:27:12] <Colourless> put it somewhere in exult... but don't tell anyone
[22:27:34] <wjp> I'd better remove it from exultbot's logs too, then :-)
[22:28:02] <matt0> Kirben doesn't come around much anymore does he
[22:28:19] <wjp> he was here earlier for >10 hours
[22:28:25] <matt0> kirben
[22:28:41] <matt0> hmmm
[22:28:47] <matt0> must be a time zone thing
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[22:29:30] <Colourless> you see, kirden lives in almost the same timezone as me. The difference is, he's 'normal'
[22:29:37] <Colourless> kirben
[22:37:43] <wjp> is it me or are there suddenly a lot less bugs in the bug tracker?
[22:39:51] <Colourless> lets see
[22:40:11] <matt0> drax
[22:41:23] <Colourless> looks like someones gone and closed some bugs
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[22:41:30] <smartass> hi
[22:41:33] <matt0> hey!
[22:41:34] <wjp> hi
[22:41:38] <Colourless> he
[22:41:40] <Colourless> hi
[22:42:05] <Colourless> typical. the only one assigned to me is called "Some strange things..."
[22:42:44] <Colourless> and you assinged it to me! :)
[22:42:45] <wjp> feel free to assign more to yourself :-)
[22:43:03] <wjp> I'll take the 'distclean removing too much' one
[22:43:45] <wjp> I did? What is it about?
[22:44:10] <Colourless> items going missing with paperdolls
[22:44:26] <wjp> ah, that would explain :-)
[22:45:03] <wjp> might've been fixed a long time ago
[22:45:14] <Colourless> yeah, maybe
[22:45:23] <wjp> Magic rings not working after game load. <-- shouldn't be hard to fix either
[22:45:45] <wjp> just do any 'special stuff' for each item as it is equiped while loading
[22:46:12] <Colourless> even better idea, save the state of the special stuff to a file
[22:46:23] <Colourless> aren't rings meant to degenerate?
[22:46:29] <wjp> yeah
[22:46:42] <wjp> I wonder how that's handled
[22:46:52] <Colourless> could be in the 'quality' value
[22:47:01] <wjp> yeah, that's what I was thinking too
[22:51:27] * Colourless has to do some 'stuff'
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[23:00:29] <smartass> have to go already
[23:00:30] <smartass> bye
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[23:05:32] <matt0> I see that the serpent isle copy protection is working (to my dismay) hehe
[23:05:57] <wjp> :-)
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[23:28:13] <wjp> wb
[23:28:18] <Colourless> thx
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[23:40:17] <wjp> hi
[23:40:54] <Alorelith> Howdy.
[23:41:06] <Colourless> hi
[23:41:24] <Alorelith> "
[23:42:46] * Colourless should be getting off to bed
[23:43:03] <Alorelith> That might be wise if you have sleep depravity.
[23:43:13] <wjp> or if it's past 9am :-)
[23:43:24] <Colourless> :)
[23:43:45] <wjp> g'night
[23:43:53] <Colourless> :)
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[23:44:43] <Alorelith> It's past 9 am here.
[23:44:43] <Alorelith> I guess I should sleep too.
[23:47:21] <Alorelith> I'm off
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[23:47:45] <wjp> I'd better get some sleep too :-)
[23:47:47] <wjp> bye
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