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[12:19:18] <Colourless> hi
[12:19:37] <Darke> Greetings, oh Purple^WColourless one! *bow*
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[14:45:59] <wjp> hi
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[17:27:01] <Dominus> hi
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[20:01:21] <artaxerxes> hi all
[20:01:26] <Dominus> hi artaxerxes
[20:01:35] <Dominus> I wanted to speak to you
[20:01:41] <Suvroc> hi
[20:01:56] <artaxerxes> please go ahead! I also have a couple questions to the exult dev team
[20:02:30] <artaxerxes> Dominus: should it be private or not ?
[20:02:36] <Dominus> about your snapsot name for the zaurus. You could give it a generic name as the date of the upload is shown on the download page
[20:03:26] <Dominus> also, I'd like to know if you have anyhting Zaurus specific that should go into the FAQ
[20:03:43] <Dominus> like what the sfx-packages are and such stuff :-)
[20:04:48] <artaxerxes> for the name, I suppose you mean the filename (as the description _is_ generic). The number you see at the end are not dates but version number! Maybe I can put that in the description rather and make the name a permanent one ?>
[20:05:16] <artaxerxes> so that download/exult-zaurus.ipk points always to an existing file
[20:05:25] <Dominus> I wonder if you really need "version" numbers for the zaurus port (that's what I meant)
[20:06:18] <Dominus> so when you do a new ersion just upload it and people see from the filedate it's newer, untill we do an official release of the 1.1x branch
[20:06:51] <Dominus> because in general it is nothing else as the snapshot for windows
[20:06:51] <artaxerxes> it's possible if that's what you want.
[20:07:01] <Dominus> I don't really care :-)
[20:07:35] <Dominus> just thought it might be more consistent with the other stuff
[20:07:51] <artaxerxes> for the FAQ, there could be a paragraph about where to put the data files and how to do it as well as editing the ~/.exult.cfg file in case the data files are not put to a normal place
[20:08:12] <artaxerxes> wjp: are you here ?
[20:09:25] <Dominus> artaxerxes: I'd need some defaults for the Zaurus paths
[20:09:55] <artaxerxes> I will really be finished with the zaurus when there will be a way for users to automatically create their BG data files package and installing it will update the ~/.exult.cfg file
[20:10:57] <artaxerxes> BG and SI are expected to be installed on: /mnt/cf/exult-data/bg and /mnt/cf/exult-data/si
[20:11:18] <artaxerxes> exult binary is on /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/
[20:11:33] <Dominus> and the flexes?
[20:11:40] <Dominus> and the exult.cfg
[20:11:55] <artaxerxes> and the shared files are on /opt/QtPalmtop/share/exult/
[20:12:02] <artaxerxes> exult.cfg is on ~/
[20:12:07] * Dominus nods
[20:12:12] <artaxerxes> and is called ~/.exult.cfg
[20:12:21] <Dominus> that sounds useable
[20:12:26] <artaxerxes> which in fact is: /home/root/.exult.cfg
[20:12:47] <Dominus> next time I do something on the Docs, I'll put it in there
[20:12:56] <artaxerxes> gr8
[20:13:07] <artaxerxes> do you know if wjp is around ?
[20:13:14] <artaxerxes> ?log wjp
[20:13:19] <artaxerxes> ?last wjp
[20:13:23] <wjp> hm?
[20:13:43] <artaxerxes> is there a way to get exultbot to spit the last phrase someone said ?
[20:13:49] <Dominus> well, as you can see he is around, but I guess he was absent :-)
[20:13:57] <wjp> no, there isn't
[20:14:23] <artaxerxes> I'm trying to compile in the zip support for the exult snapshot but I've got serious issues with ./configure
[20:14:48] <artaxerxes> I've tried to put zlib.h and libz.a just about everywhere I could think of to no avail.
[20:15:18] <wjp> the checks probably don't support crosscompiling
[20:15:31] <artaxerxes> arrgh
[20:16:26] <wjp> hmm... although... it should just check for zlib.h
[20:17:32] <wjp> check config.log to see why the check fails
[20:17:38] <artaxerxes> the pb, I don't know where it's looking at ! :)
[20:18:30] <artaxerxes> configure:4055: checking for zlib.h
[20:18:30] <artaxerxes> configure:4065: gcc -E conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out
[20:18:30] <artaxerxes> configure:4090: checking for zipped savegame support
[20:18:45] <artaxerxes> oups
[20:18:47] <artaxerxes> wait a sec
[20:18:53] <artaxerxes> that's not the right one
[20:20:13] <artaxerxes> I'm recompiling and I'll give a try
[20:20:36] <wjp> recompiling? so it does pass the configure test?
[20:21:06] <artaxerxes> that's what I meant... ;-)
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> configure:4065: arm-linux-gcc -E conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> In file included from configure:4061:
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> configure: failed program was:
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> #line 4060 "configure"
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> #include "confdefs.h"
[20:21:20] <artaxerxes> #include <zlib.h>
[20:22:09] <artaxerxes> I'm missing zconf.h in the right folder!
[20:22:51] <wjp> I'll bbl again
[20:23:56] <artaxerxes> see ya
[20:24:34] <artaxerxes> looks good
[20:24:47] <artaxerxes> I'll compile the beast and put a newer package if all is well
[20:28:18] <Dominus> Just to say it again: great work with the zaurus port (and the longest thread in the forum since a certain not-mentionable thread)
[20:29:05] <artaxerxes> thx... I'm actually having real fun with it.... just one bad thing: since I've finished SI (about 1.5 weeks ago) I do feel like playing u7 anymore for a while! :(
[20:29:24] <Dominus> do or don't?
[20:29:55] <artaxerxes> don't
[20:30:15] <Dominus> welcome to the club of exult developers :-)
[20:30:22] <artaxerxes> ;-)
[20:30:27] <Dominus> I only finished SI with Exult
[20:30:55] <Dominus> I played BG a thousand times up to a certain point but then something broke and I started again and again and again
[20:31:07] <artaxerxes> worst even: I HAVE to keep playing new games from the beginning on and on and on because of si-french !
[20:31:20] <Dominus> uh
[20:31:37] <Suvroc> artaxerxes, about si-french
[20:31:46] <artaxerxes> I'll get an exulitoze... :-(
[20:31:53] <Suvroc> i didn't found your program on source forge
[20:32:02] <artaxerxes> si-french.sf.net
[20:32:14] <Dominus> even more worse: after si-french is "finished" you really have to play through again...
[20:32:50] <artaxerxes> I feel sick already! <-- symptom of exulcitoze
[20:32:50] <Dominus> I would help you but my french is so bad...
[20:33:03] <artaxerxes> don't worry... so is mine! :)
[20:33:15] <Dominus> which reminds me, I have a french question
[20:33:19] <artaxerxes> yup
[20:33:30] <artaxerxes> Suvroc: did you find it now ?
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[20:33:37] <artaxerxes> yo
[20:33:39] <Dominus> gay is something like pédé, right?
[20:33:40] <Suvroc> i'm loading the page at the moment
[20:33:43] <artaxerxes> yup
[20:33:54] <Darke> Hi.
[20:33:55] <artaxerxes> one nuance though
[20:34:00] <Dominus> any idea where is comes from?
[20:34:11] <artaxerxes> gay is politically correct. The other one is not
[20:34:15] <artaxerxes> pederaste
[20:34:18] <Suvroc> Telechargemente section ?
[20:34:21] <artaxerxes> (with accents)
[20:34:30] <Dominus> ugh
[20:34:33] <artaxerxes> Suvroc: that means download
[20:34:46] <Suvroc> yes, but i mean, that program is there ?
[20:34:57] <Dominus> pederaste really doesn'T sound too nice
[20:34:59] <artaxerxes> in fact, it will point back to sf
[20:35:32] <artaxerxes> that's why it is shortened to pede (with accents on the Es) or even faster: PD
[20:36:27] <Suvroc> i'm now exactly here --> http://klownkiller.ifrance.com/klownkiller/download.html
[20:37:13] <artaxerxes> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/si-french/french-patch.tar.gz?download
[20:37:48] <Dominus> (the reasons I ask is that I made bad jokes about two German political parties: PDS and SPD and translated it to something like "gay socialists" and "socialist gays" and my girlfriend didn't know that PD means gay in french)
[20:38:37] <artaxerxes> I would say: PD Speciaux and Super PD
[20:38:44] <artaxerxes> ;)
[20:38:46] * Darke snickers.
[20:38:48] <Dominus> :-)
[20:40:10] <Dominus> hi Darke (I overlooked your awakening)
[20:41:07] <Darke> Hi. *grin* I'm not around for long, just popped back in after my machine died lastnight when I wasn't looking.
[20:44:38] <artaxerxes> just finished compiling
[20:45:40] <Dominus> and?
[20:47:44] <artaxerxes> I'll tell in a minute when I'll start it on the zaurus
[20:48:25] <Dominus> I know you told us befor, but how are the zaurus and your pc connected?
[20:54:42] <Suvroc> artaxerxes, are you sure that, with that i can extract the text ?
[20:55:26] <Dominus> ah, you are looking for that perl script, aren't you
[20:55:28] <Dominus> ?
[20:56:51] <Suvroc> yes, i want to extract the text, to compare the translated spanish version with the english one
[20:57:03] <Suvroc> umm, another thing
[20:57:21] <Suvroc> can i execute that file on windows ?
[20:57:35] <Dominus> you need a perl program
[20:57:57] <Suvroc> ok, i will search something
[20:58:06] <Suvroc> aps, where can i download that perl file ?
[20:58:11] <wjp> I think 'activeperl' is a perl interpreter for windows
[20:58:24] <Dominus> and most likely one or two of the tools from exult
[20:58:28] * Darke nods. That sounds like it.
[20:58:39] * Darke must go. Work to rush to. *grin* Bye!
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[20:58:51] <Dominus> suvroc, I guess, look through the log to when artaxerxes told you where to get it
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[21:01:26] <artaxerxes> back to business!
[21:01:44] <artaxerxes> exult now has zip support for the zaurus!! yay !
[21:02:10] <artaxerxes> Suvroc: explore the CVS for si-french to find the le_camomille.pl program
[21:02:13] * Dominus gets the "mexican wave" (or what it is called" going
[21:02:14] <artaxerxes> or script
[21:02:22] <artaxerxes> ola
[21:02:59] <artaxerxes> you then need a perl interpreter. wjp is right, Active Perl from Active State is the windows reference
[21:03:37] <artaxerxes> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/si-french/si-french/tools/le_camomille.pl?rev=1.10&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[21:03:46] <artaxerxes> that's le_camomille.pl
[21:04:01] <artaxerxes> I'm preparing new packages as we speak
[21:04:16] <wjp> what's a camomille, btw?
[21:04:47] <artaxerxes> it's an old inside joke with KK... you wanna know the story ?
[21:04:58] <wjp> yeah :-)
[21:05:46] <Suvroc> ok, i get it
[21:06:02] <Suvroc> get = got
[21:06:31] <artaxerxes> we used to hang out in a chat room to discuss the translation. As you know in French we have gender for words (just like in German). Very often we used the wrong gender because we typed fast and didn't check our phrases.
[21:07:35] <artaxerxes> so I create a script called la_cafe (because we say LE cafe) that was supposed to extract data from the usecode file. I then updating the script to contact CVS too and it became le_camomille.pl (because we say LA camomille)
[21:08:37] <artaxerxes> it was called la_cafe.pl because of the good ol' joke that the script was preparing just about everything (at the time) even the coffee
[21:08:44] <artaxerxes> (as a joke).
[21:08:51] <Dominus> :-)
[21:09:11] <artaxerxes> camomille is the name of a very popular herb tea prepared in France.
[21:09:18] <wjp> hehe :-)
[21:09:40] <artaxerxes> just silly! but we had/have fun
[21:09:44] <wjp> got any comments yet that you got the gender wrong? :-)
[21:10:09] <artaxerxes> nope! it's actually used only by developers I believe.
[21:10:38] <artaxerxes> we have a very few people other than developers downloading the whole CVS tree
[21:10:52] <Dominus> do you still have the english instructions on how to go about translating U7?
[21:11:00] <Suvroc> good night all
[21:11:04] <Dominus> night
[21:11:14] <artaxerxes> bye
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[21:11:33] <artaxerxes> yup
[21:11:40] <artaxerxes> in the dod section of sf.net
[21:11:46] <artaxerxes> s/dod/doc
[21:11:58] <Dominus> ah, good
[21:12:13] <Dominus> just good to know if someone asks :-)
[21:12:29] <Dominus> http://www.lyrac.net/ looks good (U4 for NWN)
[21:12:30] <artaxerxes> that could go in the FAQ maybe?
[21:12:46] <wjp> another mod?
[21:13:19] <Dominus> artaxerxes: actually it should be in the si-french FAQ , written in french (where to find the instructions in English :-))
[21:13:23] <Dominus> wjp: yep
[21:13:42] <Dominus> but looks like it is already downloadable
[21:13:47] <Dominus> will give it a try now
[21:13:52] <wjp> screenshots are kind of impressive
[21:16:05] <artaxerxes> posted
[21:16:24] <wjp> hmm... screenshots of NWN running in KDE available on the nwn site :-)
[21:16:28] <artaxerxes> (the new package)
[21:16:36] <artaxerxes> oooohhhhh
[21:17:22] <artaxerxes> got to go
[21:17:24] <artaxerxes> bye all
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[21:17:43] <Dominus> hm, I think artaxerxes is actually jeff in disguise :-)
[21:17:59] <wjp> his way of leaving does hint at it, yes :-)
[21:32:45] <Dominus> now let's try "Lyrac"
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[21:44:44] <matt|o`wookin> greetings, program!
[21:45:00] <exultbot> greetings, human! :-)
[21:45:17] <matt|o`wookin> !
[21:45:20] <matt|o`wookin> ?seen wjp
[21:45:20] <exultbot> wjp is right here!
[21:45:23] <matt|o`wookin> ah ha!
[21:45:29] <wjp> busted :-)
[21:46:06] <matt|o`wookin> hey wjp, does vanderKaas mean anything in Dutch? or is that broken Dutch too :)
[21:46:39] <Dominus> hm, u4 for NWN looks really great
[21:47:17] <matt|o`wookin> U4?
[21:47:51] <wjp> of the cheese?
[21:48:00] <wjp> weird name :-)
[21:48:03] <matt|o`wookin> oh BTW, does anyone know how to represent binary in C? for example... instead of saying "unsigned char ch = 0xA" is there someway I could say "unsigned char ch = 1010" ?
[21:48:09] <matt|o`wookin> wjp : hehe...
[21:48:45] <Dominus> matt|o`wookin http://www.lyrac.net/ are remaking U4 with the NWN engine...
[21:49:04] <matt|o`wookin> Dominus : wow ... I have held off on NWN in anticipation of a client for linux
[21:49:46] <wjp> matto: not AFAIK. (binary constants)
[21:50:32] <matt|o`wookin> dang... when I first learned C.. I could've sworn the book had an example of doing a binary constant
[21:50:52] <Dominus> matt|o`wookin: well, it seems they have the knack of it eventually and it should be almost bug free when there is a linux client
[21:51:19] <wjp> matto: http://nwn.bioware.com/gallery/index.html?galleryID=9&screensize=3&screenimage=4
[21:51:23] <matt|o`wookin> that would be cool
[21:53:54] <matt|o`wookin> wjp : ah ha! you can do binary constants
[21:54:13] <matt|o`wookin> you prefix with 0b instead of 0x
[21:54:56] <wjp> is that standard C?
[21:54:59] <matt|o`wookin> yes
[21:55:06] <matt|o`wookin> http://www.psc.edu/~oneal/intel/ref/cnst_c.htm
[21:56:01] <wjp> K&R doesn't mention it
[22:00:48] <wjp> test.cc:5: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal
[22:01:22] * matt|o`wookin frowns
[22:03:46] * matt|o`wookin clenches fist
[22:03:52] <matt|o`wookin> why isn't it in gcc, dangit
[22:03:57] <matt|o`wookin> I really need it :D
[22:16:40] <Dark-Star> you could write a macro... #define B(a,b,c,d) ((a << 3) | (b << 2) | (c << 1) | d)... a little ugly but should work
[22:21:22] <Dominus> now I don't know if I should play the normal NWN or the u4 one :-)
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[23:25:35] <Dark-Star> g'night all
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