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[09:00:26] <Fl00der> morning :P
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[14:23:28] <artaxerxes> hi all!
[14:23:29] <Fl00der> hi
[14:23:30] <wjp> hi
[14:23:33] <artaxerxes> wb wjp
[14:23:39] <wjp> thanks :-)
[14:23:44] <Fl00der> wb?
[14:23:46] <artaxerxes> how was the camp?
[14:23:50] <wjp> great :-)
[14:23:58] <wjp> still exhausted though :-)
[14:24:06] * Fl00der is confused
[14:24:08] <Fl00der> :P
[14:24:11] <artaxerxes> I'm sure! too much using the math bump!
[14:24:27] <wjp> slept 14 whole hours :-)
[14:24:35] <artaxerxes> woa!
[14:24:40] <artaxerxes> straight?
[14:24:55] <wjp> friday->saturday, yes
[14:25:02] <artaxerxes> nice
[14:25:08] <wjp> (which was more than I slept all of sunday->friday ;-) )
[14:25:18] <artaxerxes> :-)
[14:25:36] <wjp> but I'm still alive :-)
[14:25:40] <Fl00der> uhm. Dare I ask what other Enchanments / Remakes there is really soon coming / out now For Ultima Series :P?
[14:25:54] <wjp> (and debugging still more file access errors in dosbox... *sigh*)
[14:26:05] <artaxerxes> Fl00der: see Wizardry Dragon in the forum
[14:26:12] <Fl00der> uhm ?
[14:26:18] <Fl00der> where ? :P
[14:26:28] <artaxerxes> Dosbox is getting real useful with protected mode support!
[14:26:33] <wjp> indeed :-)
[14:26:36] <artaxerxes> Fl00der: in the forum!
[14:26:37] <Fl00der> hmm
[14:26:45] <Fl00der> okie
[14:26:50] <Fl00der> what is DosBox?
[14:26:55] <wjp> dosbox.sf.net
[14:26:56] <artaxerxes> dosbox.sf.net
[14:26:58] <artaxerxes> l-)
[14:27:08] <artaxerxes> you beat me by 1 sec
[14:27:08] <wjp> that seems to happen a lot here :-)
[14:27:10] <Fl00der> hmm
[14:27:16] <Fl00der> game ? dos emulator for windows ? :P
[14:27:23] <artaxerxes> http://dosbox.sf.net/
[14:27:32] <wjp> s/windows/linux, windows, macos/
[14:28:01] <Fl00der> WOW :D
[14:28:06] <artaxerxes> they should update the front page. April 1st is kinda old
[14:28:17] <Fl00der> I have been searched that thing for ages :P
[14:29:20] <artaxerxes> I posted a game support about Gabriel Knight with CVS and it's been removed!
[14:29:26] <Fl00der> sad
[14:30:11] <artaxerxes> wjp: would you happened to know what is stored when you save a combo.flx?
[14:30:12] <Fl00der> artaxerxes: Can I have a link to the forums ?
[14:30:23] <Fl00der> oh nvm :P found that
[14:30:33] <Fl00der> there is "discussion"
[14:30:34] <artaxerxes> is it actual shapes or just numbers?
[14:30:36] <Fl00der> not "forum"
[14:30:36] <Fl00der> :P
[14:30:54] <wjp> artaxerxes: sorry, no idea
[14:31:49] <artaxerxes> I'm making pre-defined combos, such as stairs etc. and I'd like to distribute it to make it easier for other game makers
[14:31:57] <artaxerxes> who could I ask?
[14:32:12] <wjp> Jeff
[14:32:15] <artaxerxes> ok
[14:32:40] <artaxerxes> btw, would you also happen to know what happened to the "groups" option? I can't seem to find them anymore.
[14:33:05] <wjp> hm, never heard of that option
[14:33:46] <artaxerxes> there was a tab in the left-hand side panel (where you see the shapes, palette and map files) called "groups"
[14:37:17] <Fl00der> hey...What means "CRPG"?
[14:37:26] <Fl00der> what C means... .P
[14:37:28] <wjp> computer role playing game
[14:37:29] <Fl00der> :P
[14:37:31] <Fl00der> lol
[14:37:37] <Fl00der> thanks but funny
[14:38:31] <Fl00der> it could be only RPG
[14:38:51] <artaxerxes> there are RPG that are not on computer!
[14:38:58] <Fl00der> true
[14:39:16] <Fl00der> what other names there are ? like MMPORG....more ? :P
[14:39:28] <artaxerxes> massively multiplayer
[14:39:32] <Fl00der> I know that
[14:39:37] <Fl00der> but isn't there more names?
[14:40:03] <Fl00der> I know only CRPG, RPG, MMPORG... :P
[14:42:26] <DarkeZzz> There's P&P RPG, which is an alternate name for 'RPG', since the term tends to be used in both general CRPG/RPG sense and specific P&P RPG sense.
[14:43:46] <DarkeZzz> (P&P==Pen & Paper, which is what I'm reading now, whilst surviving a bout of insomnia. *grin*)
[14:43:49] <Fl00der> hey. this happened to me now in newest Exult (ultima 7 ). I went to mackeys farm (chicken Raiser near britannia) and Opened desk which contains lot of EGG's (food) and I ate one or more and suddenly Shamino (who is in my party with Lolo) left from my party but LOLO didn't.....is this a bug ? should Lolo leave too because I steal eggs ?
[14:44:02] <Fl00der> darkezzz: ok . thank you for ur help
[14:44:06] <artaxerxes> IOLO
[14:44:11] <artaxerxes> NOT LOLO
[14:44:15] <wjp> lolo... lol :-)
[14:44:17] <Fl00der> hmm
[14:44:32] <Fl00der> what I said wrong ? :D
[14:45:01] <DarkeZzz> The guy's name is Iolo (that's an I as in 'igloo') not Lolo. *grin*
[14:45:18] <Fl00der> ah
[14:45:19] <Fl00der> lol
[14:45:41] <Fl00der> with i < not > L ?
[14:45:48] * DarkeZzz admits he thought it was 'Lolo' in the begnning too, got confused by the fonts or something. *grin*
[14:45:50] <DarkeZzz> Yup.
[14:45:59] <Fl00der> OMG
[14:46:04] <Fl00der> now I GET IT
[14:46:13] <Fl00der> and I have played Ultima 7 almost 10 years. lmao
[14:46:14] <Fl00der> :D
[14:46:21] <DarkeZzz> It's 'i' 'o' 'L' 'o'. But proper capitals. *grin*
[14:46:29] <Fl00der> ok. thank you for info
[14:46:34] * Fl00der hits own head to table
[14:46:56] <Fl00der> I was wondering why it sounds weird in Ultima 9 :P
[14:47:13] <Fl00der> Avatar said. i o l o not L o l o :P
[14:47:19] <Fl00der> it sounds almost Lolo
[14:47:37] <Fl00der> aaaargh
[14:47:48] <DarkeZzz> Heh. I never got far enough to hear the voice in u9, so don't really know how the real name is pronounced anyway. *grin*
[14:47:56] <Fl00der> heh
[14:48:07] <Fl00der> darkezzz
[14:48:12] <Fl00der> do you play much RPG ?
[14:49:33] <DarkeZzz> Yes, and no. It depends upon your definition. *grin* I don't play many CRPGs lately, haven't really played many P&P RPGs, though I tend to do a lot of MUCKing and occasionally play an online P&P RPG though IRC.
[14:49:50] <Fl00der> ok....
[14:50:16] <DarkeZzz> (Though I've been reading waaaay too many P&P RPGs lately, which has been reminding me that I really should get back to working on pentagram again. *grin*)
[14:50:32] <Fl00der> do you know why it's i o l o and not L o L o ?
[14:50:57] <Fl00der> iolo sounds weird if you compare to different characters in ultima
[14:51:07] <Fl00der> like: Shamino, Dupre
[14:51:13] <DarkeZzz> Because that's his name? Only way to find out I suppose is to ask LB, or the RL person that Iolo was based after.
[14:51:17] <wjp> why not just check the game? He's referred to as "iolo" everywhere
[14:51:24] <Fl00der> yea
[14:51:25] <Fl00der> but
[14:51:34] <Fl00der> nvm :P
[14:51:35] <Fl00der> heh
[14:51:38] <Fl00der> that is just werid
[14:51:41] <Fl00der> weird*
[14:54:32] <artaxerxes> I get seg faults when I use ES.
[14:54:44] <Fl00der> huh ? :P
[14:56:38] <Fl00der> hmm
[14:57:40] <Fl00der> it's hard to start some RPG game from start :s
[14:57:41] <Fl00der> :S
[14:58:00] <Fl00der> must do some certain things again..... :P
[14:59:12] <Fl00der> like in ultima 7 must get spellbook and stuff from LB Castle....:P
[14:59:19] <Fl00der> Am I Talking to walls ? :P
[14:59:33] <artaxerxes> what do you think ?
[14:59:49] <Fl00der> yea, almost
[14:59:59] <Fl00der> where is all exult / ultima fans :)
[15:08:33] <artaxerxes> here is the dump (thx to gdb):
[15:08:42] <artaxerxes> (gdb) bt
[15:08:43] <artaxerxes> #0 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[15:08:43] <artaxerxes> #1 0x0814ab7f in Gump_manager::find_gump(Game_object*) (this=0x85aa618,
[15:08:43] <artaxerxes> obj=0x85aa618) at Gump_manager.cc:116
[15:08:44] <artaxerxes> #2 0x0807b1b2 in Text_effect::handle_event(unsigned long, long) (
[15:08:44] <artaxerxes> this=0x85a75c0, curtime=517397, udata=0) at effects.cc:856
[15:08:45] <artaxerxes> #3 0x080ce090 in Time_queue::activate0(unsigned) (this=0x81d0c50,
[15:08:47] <artaxerxes> curtime=517397) at tqueue.cc:228
[15:08:49] <artaxerxes> #4 0x08081a86 in Handle_events () at tqueue.h:109
[15:08:51] <artaxerxes> #5 0x08081357 in Play () at exult.cc:728
[15:08:53] <artaxerxes> #6 0x0807e64d in exult_main (
[15:08:55] <artaxerxes> runpath=0x81c0338 "P\003\034\bLå\e\b\024ç\e\b\001") at exult.cc:472
[15:08:57] <artaxerxes> #7 0x0807da9a in main (argc=3, argv=0x81c0338) at exult.cc:294
[15:08:59] <artaxerxes> #8 0x404a47f7 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
[15:09:33] <wjp> what did you do to get this?
[15:10:13] <artaxerxes> I was manipulating shapes in Exult
[15:10:19] <artaxerxes> copy/paste/move/save/etc
[15:10:44] <artaxerxes> gdb is still running if you need anything else.
[15:11:12] <artaxerxes> another thing is when Exult crash, Exult Studio can't exit cleanly and I have to kill it
[15:14:39] <artaxerxes> well, gotta go
[15:14:45] <artaxerxes> see ya tomorrow
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[15:25:25] <DarkeZzz> I think all the exult/ultima fans are asleep, or have lives. *grin* I, however, am going to attempt the former, rather then the latter. *grin* Night all!
[15:27:57] <Fl00der> :P
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[15:33:17] <Colourless> hi
[15:33:58] <Fl00der> hi
[15:35:25] <wjp> hi
[15:35:47] <Colourless> in regards to the CRPG conversation for earlier: CRPG does stand for Computer Role Playing Game. Now, the term is most often used to differentiate console RPGs and computer RPGs.
[15:36:15] <Fl00der> ok.....
[15:38:56] <DarkeZzz> Fl00der: You'll quickly realise that people that hang around this channel know too much crud. As a result, be sure that before you ask a question, you can handle the complete overkill of information the answer will provide. *grin* We now return myself to my regularly, scheduled sleeping. *Zzzzz...*
[15:39:23] <Fl00der> ok. hehe
[15:41:28] <Colourless> darke are you sure you haven't taken part in some cybernetic experiment? You seem to still be able to respond even while you are supposedly sleeping
[15:43:35] <DarkeZzz> http://soylent-green.com/ Soylent Green is People!
[15:44:02] * DarkeZzz is not at *all* cybernetic... well... maybe a little bit. It's mostly insomnia I'm afraid. *grin*
[15:49:54] <Fl00der> hey, check out this: http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10070&sid=872cbce37081e46fd25faf041d06e37a :P
[15:55:00] <DarkeZzz> Hrm... I'm not sure I would really classify SS2 as a 'pure' RPG, but I suppose it's should be there, if "Plot? What Plot? *slash*" EverBreast and Diablo2 are on the list (if at number 120ish).
[15:55:15] <Fl00der> :P
[15:55:48] <Fl00der> hmm......darkezzz: what CRPG do u play now :P?
[15:55:58] <Fl00der> or have played few days ago...you know what I mean
[15:56:29] <Colourless> yeah the list is shocking.... i mean, fallout 2 was clearly better than fallout 1 :-)
[15:57:04] <Fl00der> I know that.....but haven't played. I don't like theme :P
[15:58:55] <Colourless> i could argue that SS2 was a RPG, but I would find it difficult to argue that SS1 was an rpg (also on the list tied 35)
[15:59:08] <Fl00der> :)
[15:59:34] <DarkeZzz> And I'm quite weirded out by the fact exult and pentagram are there as seperate entries... I wouldn't really classify them as games in themselves, since without the appropriate files, as some people have noticed, they really don't do much. *Grin*
[16:00:00] <Fl00der> hehe :)
[16:00:15] <DarkeZzz> Yeah, SS2 has quite a few RPG elements, but to me it's very much more relyant on your powers of twitch and maneuver, then your character abilities (though they certainly were necessary).
[16:00:37] <Colourless> SS2 is a FPS with RPG elements
[16:00:53] <Colourless> that does not equal a First Person RPG
[16:01:06] <Fl00der> hmm morrowind place 8 ?
[16:01:16] <Fl00der> and addon place 4 ? :P
[16:02:10] <Fl00der> one thing is sad in Ultima 7
[16:02:41] <Fl00der> I know almost every place / secret in ultima 7 :P
[16:03:09] <DarkeZzz> Such an amusing comment on (http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10069&gameID=122): "Can't be compared to the original one" I'm still trying to work out whether he actually *played* u7 using exult (since it really *does* kinda look like the 'original' game, thus you can obviously compare it), or he just said that 'because'. Quite an odd comment.
[16:03:50] <Fl00der> heh
[16:03:52] <Fl00der> true
[16:04:37] <Fl00der> hmm
[16:04:42] <Fl00der> 27. Divine divinity :P
[16:06:45] <Fl00der> Why Best RPGs are so old :)
[16:06:48] <Colourless> i think games get put on that list if they are even made by a company that has made something at some stage that resembles a RPG
[16:07:01] <Fl00der> why they can't make better than like ultima nowadays
[16:07:01] <Fl00der> :P
[16:07:21] <Colourless> as i suspected. warcraft 3 is on the list. Sure, it's a great game, but a RPG it is not
[16:07:24] <Fl00der> ok ultima is bad example to compare :P
[16:07:30] <Fl00der> true
[16:08:00] <Colourless> the top 10 list isn't that old
[16:08:06] <Fl00der> true.... :P
[16:08:10] <Fl00der> well There is morrowind
[16:08:16] <Colourless> sure u7's are 10 years old now
[16:08:18] <Fl00der> but people should really live better like in Gothic :P
[16:09:11] <Colourless> torment and bg2 are from 1999 and 2000
[16:09:57] <wjp> I should play torment again sometime
[16:10:23] <Colourless> fallouts are from 97 ish
[16:12:51] * Colourless is currently replaying BG2
[16:13:06] <Colourless> starting the game with a level 38 character... is different :-)
[16:14:41] <Colourless> i'm now upto level 39, and have got to get some 3.5 million XP to get to level 40 :-)
[16:14:50] <wjp> :-)
[16:20:44] <DarkeZzz> http://www.rpgdot.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34986 Anyone want to answer "When it's done. If id can say this, so can we."? *grin* (Hey! Someone has to make the pun!)
[16:22:48] <Colourless> how about, it will be out the day after dnf is released?
[16:23:59] <wjp> I'm kind of impressed that thread got 2 replies within 40 minutes of the first one :-)
[16:25:07] <DarkeZzz> Colourless: You've *got* to be kidding me! I don't think even *our* lack of schedule could make pentagram ship *that* late! *boggle*
[16:25:13] <Colourless> i'm impressed it got any replies at all
[16:25:29] <Colourless> (wjp i had to 1-up you there)
[16:25:44] <wjp> I'm impressed that thread got started at all!
[16:25:48] <wjp> (Colourless: hah! ;-) )
[16:25:49] <Colourless> DarkeZzz: hey, were heading down that road right now
[16:26:05] <Colourless> wjp: :-)
[16:26:25] <Colourless> Site Updates:
[16:26:25] <Colourless> - Pentagram (07.11.03)
[16:26:46] <Colourless> -> http://ultima.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10077&newsid=18746
[16:27:15] <DarkeZzz> Colourless: Nah. We're simply following our normal programming pattern. Do nothing for a while, a huge amount of commits in the space of a month or two, then nothing much again. *grin*
[16:28:31] <DarkeZzz> "(PC: Single-Player RPG) | Posted by Lord_Darkmoon @ Wednesday - December 31, 1969 - 18:00" *blink* Is it just me, or... is that *year* a little wrong?
[16:29:03] <Colourless> i noticed that too :-)
[16:29:10] <wjp> yes...
[16:29:14] <Colourless> the day of the year is wrong too
[16:29:43] <Colourless> should be july 18th i think\
[16:30:12] <Colourless> actually the date from the site updates would say july 11th
[16:30:44] <DarkeZzz> The date from the comments says Jul 18th/2003.
[16:31:04] * wjp wonders why there is a weird window around the picture of the u8 box there
[16:31:12] <Colourless> yeah. that is where i got that date from
[16:31:26] <wjp> (there == last link Colourless posted)
[16:31:54] <DarkeZzz> "Window around u8 box"=="U8 in Windows(tm)"
[16:32:01] <wjp> ah :-)
[16:32:05] <Colourless> it's an image editor window
[16:32:18] <wjp> yes
[16:32:31] <DarkeZzz> If you squint hard enough, you'll see it's XP frames. *grin*
[16:33:47] <DarkeZzz> I really think we should point out that exult/pentagram aren't really 'PC', since both run on PC's, Macs, and pretty much anything supporting SDL+gcc3.0, exult running also on a Zaraus (or however the silly thing's spelt *grin*).
[16:34:17] <Colourless> Exult runs on Xbox... but you didn't hear that from me
[16:34:37] <DarkeZzz> Heh.
[16:35:22] <Colourless> requires a special SDL build, the xdx and of course a modded/dev xbox
[16:36:06] <DarkeZzz> That I figured. So when are we going to harass this mysterious builder to get us a build to put on the download page? *grin*
[16:37:10] <DarkeZzz> *sigh* Anyway, should try sleeping again, need to be up in four hours or so.
[16:37:15] <DarkeZzz> Night!
[16:37:21] <Colourless> nope
[16:37:27] <Colourless> that would be unwise
[16:37:38] <Colourless> night
[16:37:45] <DarkeZzz> I know. Was just kidding as usual. *grin*
[16:49:35] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[17:14:43] <wjp> back
[17:16:33] <Colourless> wb
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[17:30:11] <Colourless> cya
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