#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 17 Jul 2001 (GMT)

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[07:51:20] <Nadir> hi
[07:55:44] <Kirben> Hi Nadir
[07:58:18] <matt0> hello
[07:58:42] <Nadir> I'm setting up a new forum for Exult
[08:07:04] <matt0> no more Jack Chaos?
[08:11:52] <Nadir> nope
[08:14:27] <matt0> hehe .. now that's too bad
[08:26:46] <Nadir> matt0: are you willing to test ?
[08:27:25] <matt0> Nadir: sure
[08:36:56] <Nadir> bbl
[08:37:00] * Nadir is away: I'm busy
[08:47:50] <Kirben> Anyone want to speed test http://exult.on.openave.net/ ?
[08:48:27] <matt0> speed test?
[08:48:55] <Kirben> speed of downloads
[08:49:15] <Nadir> I'm on a slow connection here... but ok
[08:50:16] <Kirben> That will hopefully be new snapshots site, unless it is even slower than prohosting.
[08:50:28] <Nadir> ah, no more annoying pre-download page
[08:50:37] * Nadir is back (gone 00:13:37)
[08:51:06] <matt0> Kirben: ein Moment
[08:51:27] <Kirben> Yes it is hosting site for development projects only
[08:51:37] <Kirben> similar for sourceforge
[08:51:40] <matt0> Kirben: 53k/s and climbing
[08:51:45] <Kirben> for=to
[08:51:46] <matt0> 58
[08:51:48] <matt0> 59
[08:51:51] <matt0> aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:51:54] <matt0> hehe
[08:52:08] <Kirben> Cool, I got the same speed here but thought it might have just been proxy cache
[08:52:19] <matt0> it's around 63k/s now... 65 is about my max
[08:52:27] <Nadir> I'm getting 4K/s but I'm on a really slow connection.
[08:53:07] <Kirben> what connection ? 33.6K ?
[08:53:43] <Nadir> No, it's 512K, but it's shared between lots of people
[08:54:04] <Kirben> ok
[08:54:17] <Kirben> Nadir: Could you update snapshots link on exult site if you have access then ?
[08:54:22] <Nadir> yep
[08:56:58] <Nadir> done
[08:57:39] <Kirben> Thanks
[08:58:34] <Nadir> Kirben: want to test forum ?
[08:58:50] <Kirben> ok
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[09:17:14] <Dominus> hi there
[09:17:34] <Dominus> Kirben: I just updated the snapshot link in the FAQ
[09:17:43] <Dominus> nice download speed :-)
[09:17:49] <Kirben> Hi Dominus
[09:17:53] <Nadir> hi Dominus
[09:17:54] <Kirben> Thanks for update
[09:18:18] <Dominus> i like this page much better now
[09:18:34] <Nadir> Dominus: I will also ask you to update for the new forum we'll be switching to
[09:19:01] <Dominus> Nadir: right I saw the stuff allready on the exult directory :-)
[09:19:15] <Dominus> what link should I set it to and is it allready up?
[09:19:49] <Dominus> :-)
[09:20:41] <Kirben> How long do you think I should leave old sites up with redirect ? a few weeks ? month ?
[09:21:01] <Dominus> a month
[09:21:03] <Nadir> two weeks is enough
[09:21:04] <Nadir> :)
[09:21:51] <Nadir> lazy b******s who don't update their links shouldn't perpetuate :)
[09:21:52] <Dominus> the old one is allready down for me
[09:21:56] <Kirben> ok that prohosting site turned out to be quite bad, been down most of today
[09:22:41] <Dominus> well, the link is allready in place on the Exult pages so yes two weeks should be enough
[09:32:27] <matt0> dominus!!!!!!
[09:32:46] <Dominus> matt0!!!!!
[09:33:23] <matt0> Dominus: Ich lerne wieder Deutsch!
[09:33:45] <matt0> jetzt koenne wir Deutsch immer sprechen :)
[09:33:47] <Dominus> habe ich vorhin gesehen
[09:33:48] <matt0> koennen
[09:33:57] <Dominus> hurra
[09:34:14] <matt0> wo hast du gesehen?
[09:34:17] <Nadir> stop that
[09:35:06] <Dominus> ah, you are just jealous!!! :-)
[09:35:27] <Nadir> Not really, because when sty joins we can chat in Italian.
[09:35:37] <Dominus> matt0, saw that at [08:51:06] <matt0> Kirben: ein Moment
[09:35:42] <Dominus> :-)
[09:35:56] <matt0> Dominus: ahhhhh... Naturlich! hehe
[09:35:58] <Dominus> Nadir, where do you live in Italy, btw
[09:36:03] <Dominus> ?
[09:36:06] <Nadir> Milan
[09:36:32] <Dominus> I´ve been "near" there last month
[09:36:41] <matt0> Nadir: Oh, non vuoi che parliamo tedesco ? Forse preferiresti che parlassimo italiano allora ?
[09:36:42] <Nadir> define "near"
[09:36:45] <Dominus> at Lago di Garda near Salo
[09:36:49] <Nadir> matt0: that is good
[09:37:11] <Nadir> Dominus: I moved to Milan because of my job. I'm really from Como
[09:37:54] <Dominus> Como, rings a bell, where is it? Dlomites?
[09:38:15] <Nadir> Lake Como. One of the 3 big lakes of Italy. It is actually the deepest in Europe
[09:38:31] <Dominus> now I now why that rang a bell .-)
[09:38:53] <Nadir> It is the upside-down-Y-shaped one
[09:38:54] <Dominus> never been there but I knew those three big lakes
[09:39:25] <matt0> Nadir: Posso parlare italiano 10 volte meglio di come parlo tedesco. E' solo che non ho mai voluto farlo.
[09:40:01] <Dominus> as a kid I´ve been to Milan two or three times and went up the Dome
[09:40:01] <Dominus> and my aunt is from the dolomites, Corvara
[09:40:04] <Nadir> matt0: your Italian is excellent, but we'd better stick to English here.
[09:40:07] <matt0> Dominus: I've started hanging out in some German IRC channels to try to get some experience :)
[09:40:13] <Dominus> :-)
[09:40:17] <matt0> Nadir: as you wish :(
[09:40:33] <Nadir> matt0: we can talk in a query if you want
[09:40:53] <Dominus> matt0, which channels (not that I really want to go there, Germans are really barbarians :-))
[09:41:03] <matt0> Nadir: I am just joking with you. I am talking to an Italian friend in ICQ and having him translate for me :)
[09:41:16] <Nadir> Dominus: I was in Alto Adige (Weinstrasse) last weekend
[09:41:23] <Nadir> matt0: :)
[09:41:26] <matt0> Dominus: #linux-ger and #debian.de but I am having trouble speaking with them
[09:41:36] <Dominus> matt0 you are a cheater
[09:41:48] <Dominus> ah, I would have problems there as well
[09:41:49] <matt0> Dominus: yes, it's true hehehe
[09:41:50] <Dominus> :-)
[09:41:59] <matt0> Dominus: hehe why is that?
[09:42:05] <Dominus> nadir, where there?
[09:42:28] <Dominus> matt0: linux, debian don´t know much about that
[09:42:38] <matt0> Dominus: you aren't a linux user, eh?
[09:42:44] <Dominus> nope
[09:43:02] <Dominus> one of those evil empire users
[09:43:08] * matt0 gasps at Dominus
[09:43:28] <matt0> ich glaube dass ich krank bin
[09:43:28] <Nadir> I did all of the Weinstrasse from Auer to Eppan, and then I went to the Tonale pass
[09:43:37] * Dominus laughs and chants MS MS MS
[09:43:54] <Dominus> Nadir, so you drank a lot of wine?
[09:44:07] <Nadir> a bit :)
[09:45:11] <Dominus> Nadir, never saw a lot of the Weinstrasse, but I once worked for a museum and had to deliver information sheets to a lot of locations there. In summer in an old VW bus, that was fun
[09:46:16] <Nadir> Alto Adige is mostly grapes and apples (at least in the Adige valley). It is very beatiful
[09:48:35] <matt0> Dominus: have you been to Stein am Rhein ? (sp?)
[09:49:04] <Dominus> yep, once
[09:49:08] <matt0> me too
[09:49:14] <matt0> I thought the name was funny since it rhymed
[09:50:04] <Dominus> :-)
[09:54:47] <matt0> sollen wir jetzt Deutsch sprechen?
[09:55:29] <matt0> I must say, Exult is very impressive these days
[09:55:34] <Dominus> eigentlich muß ich jetzt denn chat verlassen...
[09:55:37] <matt0> a lot of code!
[09:55:47] <matt0> Dominus: !!
[09:55:52] <Dominus> sorry
[09:56:19] <matt0> Dominus: ohwell
[09:56:25] <matt0> perhaps Fingolfin will come back sometime
[09:56:27] <Dominus> My girlfriend comes by and we go shopping for her kids birthday
[09:56:29] <matt0> then I can chat with him
[09:56:33] <Dominus> :-)
[09:57:37] <Dominus> We (Fingolfin &me) were once all alone in here and talked about a problem with the xml of the FAQ and totally forgot to speak german allthough no one could have objected :-)
[09:57:48] <matt0> Dominus: hehehehehe
[09:58:57] <Dominus> ok, see you next time und vielleicht können wir dann ein wenig deutsch sprechen, ok?
[09:59:10] <matt0> ok!
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[10:58:38] <wjp> hi
[10:59:19] <matt0> wjp!!!!!
[11:00:03] <Nadir> hi wjp
[11:02:03] <wjp> hmm, downloading at 90Kb/sec from exult.on.openave.net... nice
[11:02:24] <wjp> (and it was still climbing when the download finished)
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[11:11:00] <wjp|work> Kirben: SDL homepage is www.libsdl.org
[11:12:06] <Kirben> fixed
[11:12:34] <wjp|work> I like the new host, btw
[11:13:09] <Kirben> Yep, it much better than old ones.
[11:27:12] <Nadir> rereading my latest e-mail to exult-general, I believe the way game-dependent resources is handled should be changed
[11:27:40] <Nadir> We should really have some XML file with those resources stored within the FLeXes
[11:36:11] * wjp|work nods
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[12:19:54] <Colourless> hi
[12:24:23] <wjp|work> hi
[12:35:30] <wjp|work> Colourless?
[12:35:39] <Colourless> yes?
[12:35:49] * wjp|work points Colourless at the privmsg window
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[13:40:11] <Nadir> Shall I add the links to the forum and declare it officially open ?
[13:40:35] <Nadir> (removing the test messages first)
[13:40:59] <Colourless> you can if you want.
[13:41:18] <Nadir> We must all "want" :)
[13:44:13] <Kirben> Yes go ahead
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[14:01:27] <Nadir> wjp, are you editing index.shtml ?
[14:03:38] <Nadir> it seems you aren't
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[14:11:11] <sty_work> ave!
[14:11:16] <Nadir> ciao
[14:11:24] <Colourless> hi
[14:22:12] <Nadir> web site updated. Please check if I've made any glaring mistakes
[14:33:57] <Colourless> i don't see any problems
[14:35:05] <Nadir> good, thx
[14:49:58] <wjp|work> hey, people already posted on the new forum
[14:50:09] <Colourless> fast
[14:51:09] <wjp|work> Nadir: since we can admin this board, how do we do that?
[14:51:30] <Colourless> heh, only Nadir has admin
[14:51:49] <Nadir> wjp|work: I can tell you, but then I'd have to kill you :)
[14:52:16] <Nadir> I'll send private e-mail to colourless, wjp, freedman and fingolfin with the details
[14:52:28] <Colourless> :)
[14:52:40] <Colourless> saying such things in a public forums probably isn't a good idea
[14:53:58] <Nadir> WE ARE THE EXULT GODS !!!
[14:54:06] <Nadir> Sorry, got a bit carried away there :)
[14:54:29] <Colourless> i see
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[15:10:00] <sty_work> nadir: it seems that the missing cleanup after introduction happens also with kirben snapshot
[15:10:31] <sty_work> probably it's a bug in my windows video driver
[15:14:00] <Nadir> hm, it doesn't happen under my W2K...
[15:14:07] <Colourless> me neither, it's not an exult problem
[15:14:13] <Colourless> at least not IMO
[15:29:35] <Nadir> see you all tomorrow. bye
[15:29:40] <Colourless> cya
[15:29:40] <wjp|work> bye
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[15:37:05] <wjp> I'm going home
[15:37:08] <wjp> bye
[15:37:12] <Colourless> cya
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[15:37:13] <sty_work> sya
[16:16:04] <sty_work> l8r ....
[16:16:29] <Colourless> cya
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[16:40:50] <Fingolfin> hiya
[16:41:14] <Colourless> hi
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[19:12:22] <sty> reAve
[19:12:32] <Colourless> hi
[19:12:35] <Fingolfin> lo
[19:14:20] <sty> mid
[19:15:07] <Fingolfin> vcc maybe?
[19:15:08] <Fingolfin> mass?
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[19:20:02] <Telemachos> hi guys, how are things going ?
[19:20:06] <Fingolfin> hi there
[19:20:12] <Fingolfin> good, I guess ;)
[19:20:20] <Colourless> hi
[19:20:52] <Telemachos> getting closer to a fully playable SI ?
[19:22:10] <Colourless> a bit
[19:22:25] <Colourless> we still have no idea how far we have yet to go
[19:23:19] <Telemachos> ok.. I'm looking forward to it.. I'll replay SI when there is a chance I can actually finish it ;)
[19:26:59] <Fingolfin> well
[19:27:03] <Fingolfin> the problem is
[19:27:10] <Fingolfin> we have to start over and over again playing SI
[19:27:25] <Fingolfin> then when you reach a problem, you fix it, then you continue playing
[19:27:31] <Fingolfin> but sometimes you have to restart the game
[19:27:54] * Colourless is leaving in a minutes
[19:28:04] <sty> ugh, that's ugly :o
[19:28:47] <Telemachos> yeah... gets boring fast I guess
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[19:29:15] <Telemachos> isn't it easier to create savegame converters or flag-editors etc ?
[19:31:04] <Fingolfin> well, save games are mostly backward compatible
[19:31:14] <Fingolfin> but bugs can cause things to go wrong
[19:31:36] <Telemachos> of course.. well, you need more play-testers ;)
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[19:33:44] <wjp> hi
[19:33:48] <sty> ave wjp
[19:36:56] <Fingolfin> hi willem!
[19:39:25] <wjp> I got my ADSL install package today
[19:39:44] <wjp> I just ran into two 'little' problems:
[19:40:01] <wjp> cables are too short... (of course, that's what cables are for, right ;-) )
[19:40:06] <Fingolfin> ;)
[19:40:08] <Fingolfin> sure
[19:40:28] <wjp> the extra NIC I had turns out to be a tad too old to be easily supported in Linux
[19:40:54] <wjp> (I could probably get it to work, but a new PCI NIC hardly costs anything anyway)
[19:41:15] <wjp> so, no ADSL for me tonight :/
[19:43:05] <Fingolfin> :(
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[19:58:31] <wjp> hmm... unless of course I can borrow 25 meters of UTP cable and a PCI NIC from the univ.
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[20:00:09] <wjp> hi!
[20:00:18] <freedman> Hello!
[20:00:35] <wjp> new message board is already generating quite a bit of traffic :-)
[20:00:39] <freedman> The new forum looks great.
[20:01:25] <freedman> I'm amazed Tristan got it set up so fast.
[20:02:12] <freedman> Bugs are already coming in:-)
[20:02:48] <wjp> :-)
[20:02:50] <freedman> The one Nadir sent us? That's different from the one I set it up with.
[20:03:09] <wjp> freedman: no, not that one
[20:03:09] <freedman> Maybe that's the 'Phorum' password.
[20:03:38] <Fingolfin> hi jeff
[20:03:46] <freedman> Hi. How's it going?
[20:05:23] <Fingolfin> am writing an exam tomorrow at 10 AM local time ;)
[20:05:43] * wjp has had vacation for over 3 weeks now :-P
[20:06:09] <freedman> What sort of exam?
[20:07:25] <freedman> Anyone know if Dominik is getting farther in SI?
[20:11:33] <Fingolfin> jeff: Analysis II
[20:12:10] <wjp> what topics does it cover? multivariate integrals or something like that? (that was my Analysis 2 :-) )
[20:12:11] <Fingolfin> jeff: power series, differentiablilty of multi dimensional functions, jacobian/hessian matrices, nullsets
[20:12:15] <Fingolfin> nah
[20:12:19] <Fingolfin> that is in Ana III for me
[20:12:29] <Fingolfin> Ana III will also do partial diff. eq.
[20:12:36] <wjp> .., which was complex analysis for me :-)
[20:12:41] <Fingolfin> ;)
[20:12:45] <wjp> and partial diff. eq is Ana 4 here :-)
[20:12:51] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:13:00] <Fingolfin> Compley analysis will be in Ana 4 for me IIRC
[20:13:14] <Fingolfin> we also do numerical math and introduction to algebra in the third semester
[20:14:04] <matt_> ah ha!
[20:15:42] <Fingolfin> the stupid thing with the ana exams: the guys preparing the exam questions are not that good... they tend to think that all the problems we did in exercise classes are too easy, so they take harder ones
[20:16:00] <sty> damn emac's dark gray ...
[20:16:10] <sty> s/gray/green
[20:16:15] <wjp> Fingolfin: uh oh...
[20:16:18] <Fingolfin> then they discover *during* the exam that one of the questions is too hard, or even unsolvable (given the time contraint), and tell us "oh please don't work on Q4 for now, we will tell you the revised question in 10 mins"
[20:16:29] <Fingolfin> that happend last time
[20:16:30] <Fingolfin> ;)
[20:16:31] <freedman> Er.. I barely remember any of that stuff. Sounds like'complex variables'?
[20:16:34] <wjp> omg...
[20:16:36] <Fingolfin> only bad for the guys who started with Q4 ...
[20:17:05] <Fingolfin> freedman: you take functions that map R^n (n-tupels of real numbers) to R^m (m-tupels)
[20:17:13] <sty> it's a classic
[20:17:16] <Fingolfin> then you check if those are continous, differentiable etc,.
[20:18:02] <wjp> and complex analysis mostly involves integrating complex functions (C -> C) over a curve in the complex plane
[20:18:20] <Fingolfin> the best score was 44 out of 60 points for the last exam... not that we are that bad as a course, there are some pretty good people, but the time just didn't suffice, esp. if you also have to first learn some definitions to answer a question (that was Q5). 1.5 hours aren't that much ;)
[20:18:24] <Fingolfin> yeah
[20:18:28] <freedman> And 'real variables' had something to do with measures:-)
[20:18:35] <wjp> freedman: yeah :-)
[20:19:05] <wjp> (though indirectly :-) )
[20:19:11] <freedman> (I only took analysis cause it was a requirement. Algebra & topology were a lot more fun:-__
[20:19:19] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:19:24] <wjp> freedman: I totally agree with you there :-)
[20:19:42] * Fingolfin had to do a presentaion about differentiable structures on manifolds, using some unusable texts
[20:19:46] <freedman> But I remember that the people who liked analysis hated algebra.
[20:20:01] <Fingolfin> one of the analysis assistants (who co-wrote the last exam, and also this one) told us recently that we could apply another way to do a certain thing, and told us "it is very simple in many cases, e.g. for this function it'll req. about 3 lines"
[20:20:25] <Fingolfin> two full blackboard later, he gave up, stating that it was really simple, and we should trust him it was almost finished ;)
[20:20:35] <wjp> lol
[20:20:56] <freedman> :-) Didn't he leave it "as an exercise for the reader"?
[20:21:29] <Fingolfin> another one: "... then you can easily use induction to proof this step ... " - "Can we say it like this in the exam, too??" - "No, you can only say it like that if you have a Ph.D."
[20:21:39] <wjp> hehe :-)
[20:22:01] <freedman> Keywords: Easy, obvious, clearly...
[20:22:10] <Fingolfin> argh
[20:22:26] <Fingolfin> the text on manifolds my group (3 ppl) had to present (see above)... it was full of this stuff
[20:22:36] <freedman> "It's then obvious that..."
[20:23:11] <Fingolfin> in fact, another of the Ana assistans (also a Ph.D guy) looked at it when we had a question, and said "Wtf?!? Why is this obvious? I know it is true, but the proof is extremly complicated"
[20:23:30] <Fingolfin> but of course, we have to understand and present it,,,
[20:23:44] <wjp> of course :-)
[20:23:57] <Fingolfin> given the time constraints, of course, after ten minutes of our talk, *nobody* could follow anymore. ok, maybe the prof, but he had some troubles at some parts I think ;)
[20:24:00] <freedman> That's what makes it fun:-)
[20:24:12] <Fingolfin> ;)
[20:25:25] <freedman> Someday, you can forget it all, and make your living hacking out computer code.
[20:25:41] <Fingolfin> I already earn some mones working as a programmer ;)
[20:26:05] <Fingolfin> and next semester I will work as a tutor for CS students, not that we would earn a lot of money for it...
[20:26:42] <Fingolfin> in fact, you have to be very idealistic these days to take a job as a tutor over here
[20:27:04] <wjp> and very patient too, probably ;-)
[20:27:13] <Fingolfin> aye ;)
[20:27:18] <freedman> Schools don't pay much do they? I used to get $2/hour tutoring math.
[20:27:56] <wjp> hmm, our univ. pays about 22NLG, which would be about $9, or 20DM
[20:28:00] <Fingolfin> "what do you mean, I should enter 'cd foldername'" ??? - a short bit later, I discover the guy has no idea what a file/folder is...
[20:28:26] <Fingolfin> we get roughly 15.5 DM, or $7 dollar
[20:29:16] <Fingolfin> ok, I will go to bed now
[20:29:18] <Fingolfin> cya folks!
[20:29:23] <wjp> goodluck tomorrow
[20:29:24] <wjp> bye
[20:29:24] <freedman> Good night!
[20:29:25] <Fingolfin> thx
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[20:31:18] <wjp> freedman: license question: how would you feel about BSD code in exult?
[20:31:48] <wjp> specifically, somebody ported FreeBSD 4.2's glob.c/h to BeOS
[20:32:39] <matt_> wjp: isn't that perfectly legal?
[20:32:51] <wjp> legal is one thing, desirable another :-)
[20:32:52] <matt_> (ie, isn't it ok to turn BSD code into GPL'd code?)
[20:32:58] <matt_> oh ok
[20:33:55] <wjp> one line in the license reads: " All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: ...."
[20:34:12] <freedman> Wait.. you mean just glob.c and glob.h? I don't see a problem.
[20:35:05] <freedman> Oh, we have to advertise that we're using it? Blech.
[20:35:11] <wjp> exactly...
[20:35:28] <wjp> giving credit, ok, but having to mention it everywhere...
[20:35:57] <wjp> (not that Microsoft seems to do that for BSD's networking code...)
[20:36:00] <freedman> I wonder if the BeOS port is worth it...
[20:36:36] <wjp> I can always just modify glibc's glob or write a simple replacement
[20:37:19] <wjp> in fact, I'll do that... gives me a chance to learn a bit more about BeOS' API
[20:37:41] <freedman> If you like:-)
[20:37:58] <wjp> (and besides, I can recycle quite a bit of Max's MacOS code)
[20:38:22] <freedman> Did he write his own glob?
[20:38:30] <wjp> not really fully functional
[20:38:41] <wjp> just enough to support our savegame pattern
[20:39:05] <wjp> (iterate over directory entries, and match each file against the pattern)
[20:39:38] <freedman> Sounds like a fun exercise, actually.
[20:40:02] <wjp> the weird thing is, I'm pretty sure the bash shell used in BeOS has to use a glob() function
[20:40:36] <freedman> True
[20:41:35] <wjp> it's pretty easy to list all directory entries in Be, it seems
[20:42:31] <freedman> Does it have the 'dirent' routines?
[20:42:52] <wjp> well, it has something equivalent
[20:43:09] <wjp> BDirectory dir("/path/to/saves");
[20:43:29] <wjp> and then repeated calls to dir.GetNextDirents()
[20:43:30] <freedman> Good enough
[20:45:23] <wjp> brb
[20:54:45] <wjp> we should probably accept symlinks as saves, right?
[20:55:52] <freedman> You mean directories?
[20:56:11] <wjp> no, symlinks
[20:56:31] <freedman> Not sure I understand.
[20:56:37] <wjp> ie. /data/u7/exult00bg.sav is a symlink to /home/wjp/I/prefer/to/put/my/savefile/here/exult00bg.sav
[20:57:01] <freedman> Oh. Yes, sure.
[20:57:34] <wjp> ok, I'd better go write this function...
[20:57:38] <wjp> rebooting to Be
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[21:01:13] <freedman> wb
[21:02:57] <wjp> thx
[21:03:50] <matt_> Baxter!
[21:03:57] <wjp> yeah
[21:05:19] <wjp> know it?
[21:15:10] <matt_> no
[21:15:14] <matt_> sorry hehe
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[21:15:20] <wjp> :-)
[21:15:45] * wjp starts to pick up a large trout
[21:15:54] * chimera|wookin backs away, slowly
[21:17:20] <wjp> wow, my U7ListFiles compiles
[21:17:30] * wjp is so happy he forgets all about the large trout
[21:18:03] <chimera|wookin> yes!!!!
[21:19:02] <wjp> what an insane amount of warnings...
[21:20:18] <chimera|wookin> uh oh
[21:21:04] <wjp> (reordering of initializers, comparisons between signed/unsigned...)
[21:22:31] <wjp> bah, beos compile still breaks on combining unsigned char and uint8
[21:22:58] <wjp> (which really are the same type...)
[21:24:15] <chimera|wookin> hmmm...
[21:24:27] <chimera|wookin> that's odd
[21:32:39] <wjp> and it links!
[21:33:51] <wjp> and it even works properly!
[21:34:23] <chimera|wookin> yes!!!!
[21:35:27] <wjp> brb
[21:42:12] <freedman> Cool!
[21:51:34] <freedman> bbl
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[22:45:51] <wjp> back
[22:46:15] <freedman> Funny, I was just about to ask if anyone were still here.
[22:46:19] <wjp> :-)
[22:49:09] <wjp> should I backport the changes to alpha4, or should I just release the current code snapshot (as exult-20010717.beos.zip) ?
[22:49:16] <freedman> I'll try to do more work on the map-editor tonight, more-or-less following Ryan's suggestion to do it the simple way.
[22:49:45] <freedman> beos - Current snapshot. Several bugs have been fixed.
[22:49:53] * wjp nods
[22:50:41] <freedman> Checked the mailing-list lately? Someons wants to send us money:-)
[22:51:07] <wjp> don't have a proper mail client here...
[22:51:12] <wjp> but money sounds good :-)
[22:51:32] * wjp logs into univ. account
[22:51:43] <freedman> Don't think it's serious.
[22:52:07] <wjp> yeah, think so too
[22:52:16] <wjp> Application/MS-TNEF ??
[22:52:27] * wjp wonders what kind of file that is
[22:53:20] <freedman> MS Outlook?
[22:53:32] <wjp> dunno
[22:53:42] <wjp> I wonder what it's doing there, anyway
[22:53:53] <freedman> Maybe we should ask fans to contact Origin
[22:54:48] <wjp> committing BeOS fixes...
[22:55:07] <wjp> I hope I didn't break any other platforms...
[22:55:34] <freedman> I'll know in a couple hours when I get home:-)
[22:55:49] <wjp> I'll know as soon as I reboot :-)
[22:56:35] <wjp> we should go kill some warnings again soon, btw
[22:56:52] <wjp> there's hundreds of 'em
[22:57:20] <wjp> signed/unsigned, reordering initializers, uninitialized vars
[22:57:33] <freedman> I only see a couple in the socket stuff.
[22:57:40] <wjp> -Wall here
[22:58:06] <freedman> :-)Ah, okay. Yes, we should clean those up.
[22:58:35] <wjp> hmm, statement with no effect
[22:59:58] * wjp notices it's mostly a lot of warnings in gamewin.h being repeated over and over and over
[23:00:58] <freedman> Blech. I'll take a look tonight.
[23:01:30] <wjp> *yawn*
[23:01:33] <wjp> clean makes take too long
[23:02:36] <freedman> No kidding. In a way, it's the price of success. There's > 100K l.o.c.
[23:03:09] <wjp> yeah, probably
[23:03:17] <wjp> it was at 95K last month
[23:03:38] <wjp> I wonder how many lines it is preprocessed...
[23:03:56] <freedman> We've gotten pretty active again lately.
[23:04:14] <wjp> yeah
[23:05:09] <freedman> Map-editor is now 4791 loc:-)
[23:05:18] <wjp> ouch
[23:05:29] <wjp> and I didn't even look at it yet :/
[23:06:17] <wjp> (well, not recently)
[23:07:14] * wjp uploads file to SF
[23:07:19] <freedman> You & Ryan have also added a lot of code lately.
[23:07:30] <freedman> We just need faster machines.
[23:07:33] <wjp> yeah, although the last 2 weeks I've been a bit busy with other things
[23:08:24] <freedman> Actually, we could try to cut down gamewin.h. I'm just not in the mood.
[23:10:22] <wjp> yeah, I still think we should remove the shape storing/getting functions
[23:11:16] <freedman> Yes. Also, the 'drag' information.
[23:11:19] <wjp> that should allow a lot of other files to remove the gwin include
[23:11:23] <wjp> yeah
[23:12:00] <freedman> And maybe there should be a separate "Game_map" class too.
[23:12:14] * wjp nods
[23:13:19] <wjp> grrr... can't seem to upload to SF
[23:13:42] <freedman> Pretty standard.
[23:13:52] <wjp> well, the uploading usually works
[23:14:17] <wjp> that's just ftp, after all
[23:14:34] <freedman> Yes, but it seems to get bogged down a lot.
[23:15:10] <wjp> uploading to my univ. account...
[23:17:02] <wjp> we're just having a new network installed at our department, btw
[23:17:32] <wjp> moving from 10Mbit coax to 100Mbit switched (with multigigabit backplanes, and all that :-) )
[23:18:04] <freedman> Nice for sharing MP3 collections:-)
[23:18:11] <wjp> hehe, yeah ;-)
[23:18:32] <wjp> internet connection is being upgraded from 10Mbit to several 100Mbit lines too
[23:18:44] <wjp> (well, not directly to the internet, but to the rest of the university, actually)
[23:19:31] <wjp> which is nice for assembling said MP3 collections ;-)
[23:20:01] <freedman> Yep. Although I don't know where to get them anymore.
[23:20:07] <wjp> *phew* uploading from univ. works
[23:20:41] <wjp> I hardly have any mp3s... wouldn't know where to get them either :-)
[23:21:13] <wjp> I somehow seem to have missed that part of the 'online world' :-)
[23:21:40] <freedman> Same here, esp. with 56K modem service at home.
[23:21:59] <wjp> I just got the ADSL install package today, btw!
[23:22:22] <freedman> I thought you always had broadband.
[23:22:23] <wjp> which means I should be on a 512Kbit link by tomorrow or the day after that ;-)
[23:22:48] <wjp> I do have cable... but my ISP decided it would be a good idea to use _serial_ cable modems...
[23:23:00] <wjp> (not that they manage to fill even that bandwidth...)
[23:23:29] <wjp> so I get about 4 Kb/s, but at least I don't have to pay for every minute I'm online
[23:23:39] <freedman> I'm still waiting (and waiting) for DSL.
[23:24:23] <wjp> yeah, fast internet is great, but it's nowhere near available everywhere yet
[23:24:43] <wjp> NOOOOOO.... Opera crashed while downloading the release page
[23:25:38] <wjp> typical
[23:26:42] <wjp> any ETA on DSL in your area?
[23:27:36] <freedman> There's DSL, just not on our street:-( There's cable service through ATT.
[23:28:03] <freedman> But we don't have much trust in them. And I like our little ISP, 'Hevanet'.
[23:28:32] <wjp> small ISPs usually seem to be the best, yes... better service
[23:29:29] <wjp> the really big ones seem to be quite bad, at times
[23:29:34] <freedman> Yes, and they give us a BSD login. That's how I'm doing IRC from work, since we're behind a firewall.
[23:29:53] <wjp> the firewall specifically blocks IRC?
[23:30:05] <wjp> or just anything except telnet/ssh?
[23:30:29] <freedman> Yes. But telnet/ssh/ftp work okay.
[23:30:57] <wjp> I wonder if there's a IRC-over-HTTP tunnel available ;-)
[23:31:18] <wjp> or over DNS or something :-)
[23:31:23] <freedman> It'd be nice. This is realllly slow, like a 1200 baud modem.
[23:31:53] <wjp> beos release is done!!
[23:31:57] <wjp> finally...
[23:32:13] <freedman> 3 cheers!
[23:32:40] <wjp> listfiles function turned out to be about 40 lines, btw
[23:32:52] <wjp> (most of which are blank or contain just a single {/})
[23:34:46] <wjp> ok, time for me to reboot back to a real OS :-)
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[23:34:58] <freedman> :-)
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[23:37:38] <wjp> hmm, where'd he go? :/
[23:37:47] <wjp> ah well, I should go to bed anyway
[23:37:53] <wjp> 'night
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