#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 17 Mar 2001 (GMT)

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[00:53:51] --- ChanServ has changed the topic to: Exult, the open source Ultima 7 and U7 part 2 engine
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[02:24:12] <DraX> switch to SDL_mixer!
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[11:47:07] <Kirben> hmm sdl still seems to crash exult a lot
[11:47:35] <wjp> how do you know it is sdl?
[11:47:45] <Kirben> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[11:48:03] <Kirben> nothing reproducable though so far
[11:48:07] <wjp> that doesn't mean it's SDL's fault
[11:48:25] <wjp> SDL automatically catches all crashes
[11:51:30] <Kirben> ok
[11:52:03] <Kirben> argh, there it goes again
[12:00:07] <Kirben> logs no help either, oh well
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[12:18:06] <wjp> hi
[12:18:31] <Colourless> hi
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[13:09:14] <Maloh> Hi everyone
[13:09:20] <Colourless> hi
[13:09:22] <wjp> hi
[13:09:48] <Maloh> Are the beeps in the snapshot for testing?
[13:10:08] <Maloh> When I open a door etc
[13:11:24] <Maloh> I assume they're being used to find what sounds are for what object... but it could be my computer...
[13:11:45] <wjp> are you using the .wav SFX?
[13:11:55] <Maloh> No
[13:12:02] <Maloh> Where do I get it?
[13:12:54] <wjp> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/exult
[13:13:43] <wjp> (then click on 'download' next to the 'BG-data' package)
[13:14:01] <Maloh> Thank you, very much
[13:14:50] <Maloh> Are there any plans for the future to add more sprites?
[13:15:01] <Maloh> Like extra leg movment etc
[13:15:12] <wjp> not as far as I know
[13:15:23] <Maloh> Is it possible?
[13:15:40] <Maloh> I mean is it possible to add frames
[13:15:47] <wjp> probably, but it would take an incredible amount of artwork...
[13:15:59] <wjp> (and quite a lot of code too)
[13:16:02] <Maloh> Of course
[13:16:23] <Maloh> It's an excelent job you've done so far
[13:16:29] <Maloh> Ye have done
[13:16:30] <Colourless> i'd like to see smooth scrolling first :)
[13:16:35] <Maloh> :)
[13:16:50] <wjp> the running animation could really use some improvement, though
[13:16:57] <Maloh> I thought there were no followers of U7 left
[13:17:02] <wjp> maybe we should start skipping frames like the original did
[13:17:05] <Maloh> Nearly all the links in search engines
[13:17:07] <Maloh> Are dead
[13:18:19] <Maloh> What frames does it skip?
[13:18:27] <Maloh> All animations?
[13:18:29] <Maloh> Or just chars etc
[13:18:49] <wjp> no, it just skips a few frames of animation, to make it look like you're moving faster
[13:18:58] <Maloh> Ahh, I see
[13:22:18] <Maloh> Were royalty free sound found?
[13:22:26] <Maloh> *sounds
[13:22:29] <Colourless> If i really wanted to waste a lot of time on exult, i'd attempt writing an OpenGL renderer and use hardware to do all the drawing. That would produce a somewhat 'modest' speed up to Exult making it possible to do things like smooth scrolling easily. We could also then make exult use real 3d object. That though, is just me dreaming. :)
[13:22:46] <wjp> dunno, I'm not really focusing on the sound area
[13:22:54] <wjp> Colourless: interesting thought :-)
[13:23:17] <wjp> hmmm... Spark looks a bit 'weird' as a paperdoll
[13:23:28] <Colourless> wjp: you don't say :)
[13:24:04] <wjp> just one more frame, and I'm all done with the faces...
[13:27:50] <wjp> phew... done!
[13:31:42] <wjp> committed.
[13:33:57] <Maloh> What is "Third Dawn" in relation to UO?
[13:34:55] <wjp> add-on, I think
[13:35:05] <wjp> (but I don't play UO, so wouldn't really know...)
[13:35:20] <Maloh> Another addon.. ok
[13:35:38] <Colourless> i think it's a 3D update to UO. I hear it's really buggy
[13:35:39] <Maloh> I used to... but left for obvious reasons
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[14:04:11] <wjp> I'm leaving for the weekend. I'll be back tomorrow evening probably
[14:04:12] <wjp> see you later
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[14:09:44] <Maloh> I have to go
[14:09:56] <Maloh> Thanks for the help
[14:10:00] <Maloh> See you later
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[15:46:25] <DraX> hello
[15:46:28] <Colourless> hi
[15:46:37] * DraX ponders giving CVS build a try
[15:47:43] <Colourless> :) should work
[15:47:54] <DraX> Colourless, on openbsd
[15:47:55] <DraX> i think not
[15:48:07] <Colourless> well, I didn't know :)
[15:48:08] <DraX> unless massive modifcations were made to semaphore/threading and sound :)
[15:48:40] <DraX> i'm going to install -current later
[15:48:42] <DraX> and give it a try
[15:49:02] <DraX> if there are still problems i'll email the guy who deals with openbsd threads sense thats the major problem
[15:49:39] <Colourless> If you get it to work, we'd like to know.
[15:49:58] <DraX> Colourless, i already had some modifcations to the cvs made to get it to build on openbsd :)
[15:50:01] <DraX> it just dosen't work
[15:50:37] <Colourless> I take it the only problem is with the sound code.
[15:50:46] <DraX> possibly threading also
[15:50:50] <DraX> but sound is the main problem
[15:50:57] <DraX> because the sun style audio isn't supported
[15:51:05] <Colourless> AFAIK only sound has threading
[15:51:13] <DraX> threading works fine, but if you use semaphores for threading
[15:51:15] <DraX> then you have problems
[15:52:58] <Colourless> I really don't know what we do with threads. I generally try to avoid doing anything with the digital sound code.
[15:53:30] <DraX> hehe
[15:53:46] <DraX> ya, it draws the window, but then it locks up, dosen't give the menu
[15:53:58] <DraX> except some really screwed up sound problems if i remeber
[15:54:05] <DraX> which would seem that there were threading problems
[15:54:16] <DraX> what you guys need is --disable-sound in configure :)
[15:54:43] <Colourless> :)
[15:54:57] <Colourless> I know midi can be disabled but not digital sound
[15:55:29] <DraX> the beos port is REALLY laggy though
[15:56:01] <DraX> actully i was going to try to get it built on solaris and hp-ux soon
[15:57:07] <DraX> and i've been doing sequntial builds on beos also
[15:58:16] <Colourless> i wonder how many people would actually run exult on some of those systems
[15:58:26] <DraX> Colourless, i would :)
[15:59:01] <Colourless> hehe. Some of those systems probably haven't ever seen a real game :)
[15:59:31] <DraX> there is a bug in the README.BeOS btw
[15:59:39] <DraX> it says the config file is in ~/.exult.cnf
[15:59:41] <DraX> cfg
[15:59:43] <DraX> it is not
[15:59:51] <Colourless> wouldn't surprise me.
[15:59:56] <DraX> it's somewhere in ~/config
[16:00:31] <DraX> it also won't even load to the menu without the STATIC dirs for the games
[16:02:16] <Colourless> hmm, it should get in
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[16:57:44] <Flyn_Oakplume> Hullo
[16:57:53] <Colourless> hi
[16:58:05] <Flyn_Oakplume> How's it going?
[16:58:09] <Colourless> ok
[17:00:07] <Flyn_Oakplume> heh
[17:00:18] <Flyn_Oakplume> Where's willem?
[17:00:37] <Colourless> away for the weekend
[17:00:39] <DraX> ok, just got a friend to try to get exult to build on irix :)
[17:01:06] <Flyn_Oakplume> heh
[17:01:09] <Flyn_Oakplume> whats irix?
[17:01:13] <Flyn_Oakplume> What platform?
[17:01:17] <DraX> MIPS
[17:01:22] <DraX> it's SGI's unix
[17:01:35] <Flyn_Oakplume> ah
[17:02:48] <Flyn_Oakplume> is it working?
[17:02:59] <DraX> he has to build sdl first
[17:03:05] <DraX> plus hes lazy
[17:03:09] <DraX> and has no u7 cd :)
[17:03:17] <DraX> just see if we can get a bin working
[17:03:22] <Flyn_Oakplume> heh
[17:03:23] <DraX> and hope we can get someone to test it
[17:03:47] <DraX> i'm getting an sgi one of these days :0
[17:03:56] <Colourless> so, are you attempting to make exult the most ported piece of software in history?
[17:04:03] <DraX> Colourless, probably
[17:04:17] <DraX> Colourless, i have no linux boxes
[17:04:19] <Colourless> :)
[17:04:24] <Colourless> neither do i
[17:04:27] <DraX> suns, hps, one windows box
[17:04:29] <DraX> a beos box
[17:04:34] <DraX> and a couple of openbsd boxes
[17:04:36] <DraX> oh and atheos
[17:04:53] <Colourless> never heard of that last one
[17:05:00] <DraX> www.atheos.cx
[17:05:09] <DraX> it's a morph of unix and beos really
[17:05:15] <DraX> with some amiga specifics to it
[17:05:32] <DraX> it won't work on atheos
[17:05:40] <DraX> until someone ports sdl
[17:06:33] <Colourless> i'm amazed at the amount of systems that SDL has been ported to
[17:06:49] <DraX> supposidly it has qnx support
[17:06:49] <DraX> heh
[17:06:55] <DraX> anothing thing to try for
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[19:57:50] <DraX> hello
[19:58:44] <Fingolfin> hi
[19:59:03] <DraX> *cough* add --disable-ALL-sound *cough*
[19:59:09] <DraX> :)
[20:00:26] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[20:00:38] <Fingolfin> can't do that right now, can't compile exult on this box atm ;)
[20:00:42] <Fingolfin> I first need to install SDL
[20:00:51] <DraX> heh
[20:00:52] <Fingolfin> then see if it compiles well for me on this OS X GM
[20:00:58] <Fingolfin> then need to port exult to OS X
[20:01:01] <Fingolfin> then can add that ;)
[20:01:02] <Fingolfin> but
[20:01:14] <Fingolfin> I thought wjp had already added something like that recently?
[20:01:30] <DraX> for midi
[20:01:38] <DraX> but i think the problem s audio in general
[20:02:20] <DraX> sdl won't build on my laptop
[20:02:26] <DraX> so i can't do builds here
[20:03:37] <DraX> i'm upgrading openbsd to see if that helps also
[20:06:28] <DraX> i'll see about doing a neat little beos deal later
[20:06:39] <DraX> build
[20:07:03] <DraX> and one of these days solaris, and hp-ux
[20:07:15] <Fingolfin> cool
[20:07:17] <Fingolfin> solaris...
[20:07:28] <Fingolfin> if it was not for quota I could test it at my university :/
[20:07:35] <DraX> i'm getting an ss20 soon
[20:07:44] <DraX> and i'm gonna run sol7 or sol8 on it
[20:07:49] <DraX> and i have an hp-ux box
[20:07:56] <DraX> just need a monitor
[20:11:17] <DraX> brb
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[20:16:03] <Fingolfin> .
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[20:31:47] <Fingolfin> wb
[20:32:53] <DraX> ya
[20:33:03] <DraX> my modem is evil :)
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[20:58:06] <Pumpkin> hi all..
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[21:55:41] <matt0> pumpkin!!!!
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[22:33:16] <Maloh> Hi all
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[22:43:20] <Maloh> Hello
[22:43:31] <arianne> Hi
[22:49:51] <arianne> Is already being used Python on Exult?
[22:50:50] <DraX> no
[22:50:55] <DraX> why would you want to?
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[23:18:45] <Maloh> Night all
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[23:47:17] <Fingolfin> hmmm
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[23:48:01] <Fingolfin> lo
[23:49:42] <Kirben> Hi
[23:50:11] <Kirben> Anyone tried compiling under gcc 2.95.3 ?
[23:51:15] <Fingolfin> dunno
[23:51:15] <Fingolfin> I have 2.95.2 under OS X; and I haven't yet tried to compile exult, mainly because I am missing some stuff it needs...
[23:51:31] <DraX> like sdl? :)
[23:52:41] <Fingolfin> nono
[23:52:41] <Fingolfin> SDL is no problem
[23:52:41] <Fingolfin> except sound & cd rom support, it has everything on OS X
[23:52:43] <Fingolfin> problem is with automake it seems
[23:53:08] <DraX> Fingolfin, exult dosen't seem to like being sound less
[23:53:13] <DraX> ie if sdl isn't built with sound
[23:53:17] <DraX> exult won't be either
[23:53:20] <Fingolfin> I did not even get tehre
[23:53:25] <Fingolfin> I failed to generate make files
[23:53:32] <Fingolfin> admitedly, i didn't try very hard
[23:53:44] <Fingolfin> e.g. it should be quite simple to install automake
[23:53:55] <DraX> do it :)
[23:53:55] <Fingolfin> I installed zlib, openssl and openssh without problems, too ;)
[23:55:02] <matt0> os x sounds cool =]
[23:55:21] <Fingolfin> I rebooted to normal MacOS, though, hence i can't try it ATM
[23:55:22] <DraX> i want a ppc box with osx on it
[23:55:25] <Fingolfin> it is very cool ;)
[23:55:27] <Fingolfin> hehe
[23:55:34] <Fingolfin> the dev tools are cool, too
[23:55:40] <DraX> objc!!!!!!!
[23:55:41] <Fingolfin> the interface builder especially
[23:55:44] <Fingolfin> yeah
[23:55:47] <matt0> it sounds like it might be almost as cool as linux! =]
[23:55:50] <matt0> j/k
[23:55:51] <Fingolfin> but you can use Java, too, if you prefer
[23:55:56] <DraX> linux sucks *cough
[23:55:58] <DraX> *
[23:56:02] * matt0 pummels drax
[23:56:05] <matt0> insolent knave!
[23:56:16] <Fingolfin> bah
[23:56:21] <Fingolfin> I like them all ;)
[23:56:27] <Fingolfin> even Windows has a few merits
[23:56:32] <DraX> OpenBSD Surt 2.8 GENERIC#399 i386
[23:56:33] <matt0> yep I agree
[23:56:34] * Fingolfin employs duck & cover
[23:56:39] <DraX> is that what you want matt0 :)
[23:56:43] <matt0> yes
[23:56:51] <Fingolfin> solaris is fine, too
[23:56:53] <matt0> your irc client tells me nothing!
[23:56:54] <Fingolfin> and *BSD
[23:56:55] <DraX> why do you keep looking
[23:57:00] <Fingolfin> and OS X is based on BSD ;)
[23:57:03] <DraX> matt0, thats a good thing in my book
[23:58:07] <matt0> just wanted to see if it was hidden somewhere else
[23:58:37] <DraX> see i would NEVER run a server on linux
[23:58:38] <DraX> ever
[23:58:38] <Fingolfin> my main problem is that I have no IRC client I like much on OS X... I am using this one (Snak) right now under OS X, too, but it is "emulated"
[23:58:43] <Fingolfin> hehe
[23:58:48] <matt0> I would and do
[23:58:48] <DraX> compile epic
[23:58:55] * Fingolfin makes another mental note: try the appache that came with OS X
[23:59:11] <DraX> it's not very secure unless you spend alot of time doing it
[23:59:19] <DraX> and the kernel is very messy
[23:59:20] <matt0> secure is relative
[23:59:30] <DraX> they don't spend time stressing things like a bsd is
[23:59:42] <DraX> matt0, without modifcation openbsd is more secure then all linux distros
[23:59:46] <matt0> I have heard openbsd is the most secure
[23:59:59] <DraX> matt0, and sense you need not make any modifcations to the security to get apache working