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[02:49:20] <servus> Thanks Jammet for the pawing ;) :P
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[04:18:08] * servus steals Jammet's Mew... "Mew!"
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[10:29:18] <Fingolfin> hi
[10:57:16] <servus> H'lo.
[11:07:42] * Jammet cubyawns and mews softly. =^_^=
[11:08:28] * Jammet stretches those legs, flexes the little claws, and yawns again, and then leaps to pounce the scared breakfast.
[11:09:08] * DarkeZzz watches the little bowl of milk 'eep!' and scurry away on half a dozen tiny little legs.
[11:09:45] * Jammet chases in circles around it and meows confused, stops it with a paw and chases the pesky greedy ants away.
[11:09:55] * Jammet licks up the milk and purrpurrs softly.
[11:10:09] <Jammet> =^_^= ~chirp~ Good morning.
[11:10:23] * DarkeZzz snickers. Good morning!
[11:10:54] <Jammet> =^_^=
[11:12:00] * Jammet looks curiously at the Winamp 5 beta, shivers, and withdraws the little paws quickly, and goes to play with a mousie. Not to eat of course, just a competition in chasing cheese balls. Even though kitties don't like those too much.
[11:14:18] * DarkeZzz is currently locked claws with a selection criteria for a job he's applying for. Annoying thing. *grrrr*
[11:15:13] * Jammet nudges the bowl with the milk to Darke and mews sweetly, offering it to him. We big mighty leopards drink more water actually, so it's all fine. Mew. =^_^= Maybe it helps you.
[11:17:14] * DarkeZzz shakes his head and picks up the bowl and drops it back (gently!) on the greedy ants. He has carrots to much. *grin*
[11:18:09] * DarkeZzz hrms... and notices he's actually all out of carrots. How annoying. There's a few grapes in the fridge still though. *munch*
[11:18:38] <servus> Wow, that's a lot!
[11:18:57] * servus wonders what species Jammet is :)
[11:19:20] <servus> Tabbycat? :)
[11:19:47] * servus feels all out of place being human!
[11:21:11] * Jammet mews softly to Servus, goes poof, flexes the little claws, tries to look large and bold and nasty, but is still just a leopard cub, and with or without him trying to make his eyes glimmer fiercefully, it just won't look all too dangerous at all.
[11:21:46] * Jammet mewrowrs cheerfully and just stops trying to be bigger just now, and grooms his fur as if nothing ever happened.
[11:22:16] * servus hides in the back of Jammet's cave, shivering in terror.
[11:22:36] * Jammet giggles, and wonders what servus is doing up that tree, clinging to Jammet's sleeping branch.
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[11:23:19] <servus> Cavetree?
[11:23:42] * servus pounces to the a nearby branch. Can't catch me so easily!:)
[11:24:24] * Jammet climbclimbs up and sits next to Servus and nuzzles one of his hands, and smiles. =^_^= "One day I'm gonna be real biig!" He shifts, swishes the tail, and leapfrogs after servus, landing with neat balance of the branch.
[11:25:26] * servus rubs the tuft of fur on Jammet's head, scritches behind his ears, and runs off again!
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[11:26:41] * Jammet sits there purring cheerfully, and then wonders as Servus darts off again, and launches afterwards, runs up and down the tree and giggles =^_^= taking all sorts of shortcuts. OOh claws can be so neat! Oh you might have tumbs, but that isn't quite the same for treeclimbercats =^_^=.
[11:27:04] * servus grins and wonders what you're wondering about:)
[11:27:07] * Jammet doesn't pounce you of coarse, doesn't want to you to fall down or anythign.
[11:28:06] * servus scurries farther up the tree and throws acorns down
[11:28:57] * DarkeZzz waits for servus to start chittering, all squirrel like. *grin*
[11:29:05] * Jammet tilts his head and sits, mews melodically again, and curls his tail around himself, sitting next to a birdie's nest with the bird protesting furiously. And a moment later, the birdie chases Jammet away, making lots of scary birdy chirping noises. Jammet mewls and sits on another more peaceful branch and wants to play some more pouncing, and climbclimbs up-up next to you, and sniffs one of your ears. *tickle*
[11:29:55] <Jammet> You're a squirrel thingie? =^_^= Cool! Let's have a climbing contest soon.
[11:30:08] * servus is a human, I'm pretty sure:)
[11:30:20] * servus laughs and nips your ear in a most inhuman manner, however!
[11:30:27] <Jammet> =^_^= You must be world champion in freeclimbing then.
[11:31:06] <servus> Well I'm the only guy with opposable thumbs, so... *grin*
[11:31:57] * Jammet twitches lightly and rubrubs a paw over his ear, grooms the paw, rubrubs the ear again, like all catties do when nervous, and giggles, "Thumbs won't bring you up as fast or far as catties could, especially if you're a bit on the heavier side =^_^= but let's play together up here some times."
[11:32:19] * Jammet 's such a pesky show off! *mew* Yes you! *mewl*
[11:32:41] * servus is lithe and supple like Tarzan, but with softer skin:)
[11:32:59] <Jammet> =^_^= Hairless monkeys are cool anyway. At at least most of them are.
[11:33:29] * servus grins and is not sure whether to be insulted by that or not:) nips your ear to be sure and scampers off
[11:33:32] * Jammet cubpurrs thankfully at you for playing with him, and snugs the fur softly along your side.
[11:33:53] * Jammet twitches a bit at the nip and swivels the other ear to listen to you.
[11:34:13] * servus licks unexpectedly. *grin*
[11:34:16] <Jammet> =^_^= Mew. Thanks for playing with me!
[11:34:25] <servus> I'm having fun too :P
[11:35:35] * Jammet gets an cat ear groomed and looks curiously at it. Sparkly? Shiny? Squeaky clean? We'll leopard cubs should always be, but all catties constantly make sure of that, but it's neatly done. *nuzzle* =^_^= Thankies.
[11:35:52] * servus catsprings up and pounces at Jammet
[11:36:09] <servus> (Think we're polluting the Exult logs?:)
[11:36:23] * Jammet peeps in surprise, and evades, hophops and launches, and gets caught halfway, but wigglewigglesquirms wriggly out into freedom, and playhisses.
[11:36:32] <Jammet> =^_^= No way!
[11:37:14] <Jammet> =^_^= Besides, there should be a kittycat somewhere on Exult Island with my Name on it, and I wish I could just edit some lines of dialouge =^_^=.
[11:37:19] * servus rolls back and jumps back on you, pinning you down with...thumbs:)... as you paw my stomach trying to get up, then scampers away again
[11:37:31] <servus> Serpent Isle has the Island of Cats and naked women :)
[11:37:43] <Jammet> Heey =^_^=, you've got to let me play my part, cheater!
[11:37:47] <servus> Mwuahhahah
[11:37:58] <servus> But you were held down! I was in control ;P
[11:38:37] <servus> Sorry, hlao roo :P
[11:38:40] * Jammet blinks confused, "Cats and lots of named women on one island?" and mews confused, and doesn't know. "Oh, I thought there was a small place where I could be by a tree and mew at all the people coming along the way."
[11:39:03] <servus> How kittycat poetic!
[11:39:18] * Jammet fluffs and refuses that ever happened. It's extremely hard to catch a blurry pacing leopard cub =^_^=. Next time be fair.
[11:39:36] <servus> Sorry, you can punish me next time :P
[11:40:06] * Jammet mew happily, "Can you put me on one of the islands there for fun?"
[11:40:16] * servus is not part of the Exult team.
[11:40:28] * servus thinks you should start saving bunnylettuce up :)
[11:40:41] * Jammet noddles, "Maybe you can put me in UW then? =^_^=... there's leopards in the second UW all over. Sort of."
[11:40:54] * servus flayrah!
[11:41:04] * Jammet wonders what you think and what bunnylettuce be if he'd know what you were thinking.
[11:41:06] <servus> They're cute leopards too, it'd be perfect:P
[11:41:40] <servus> Certain Exult bunnies probably need to silflay every now and then, and they'd probably let you in the ousla if you give them flayrah. :)
[11:42:00] * Jammet climbclimbs down the tree and sits, thinking how neat it could be to be playing with those other leopard thingies in that game. =^_^= He'd probably be the only cub there.
[11:42:26] <servus> They're all mean!
[11:42:41] <servus> Actually... The snow leopards are mean, the Trilkhai are nice. :)
[11:42:46] * Jammet mews confused at you and has no idea what silflay and flayrah thingies are, and fluffs pitifully.
[11:42:55] * Jammet noddles.
[11:42:55] <servus> It's bunnyspeak.
[11:43:11] * Jammet leopardcub rrrfffmews.
[11:43:22] * servus grins at Jammet :)
[11:43:33] <Jammet> =^_^= I gotta run play with friends mew. Later.
[11:43:42] * Jammet paces off through the thick bushes.
[11:44:08] * servus hops around to the other side of the bushes, real silent-like.
[11:44:17] * servus cat-stalks through the grass...
[11:44:51] * servus eyes Jammet sitting there and grins.
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[14:08:20] <Colourless> Mmmm. rabbits and leopards..... looks like food..... mmmm
[14:08:51] <Colourless> oh wait.... i said that... I meant, Hi!
[14:16:25] <DarkeZzz> Rabbits, leopards and dragons. (Oh my!)
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[16:32:33] <Stygius> hi
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[16:44:23] <Colourless> hi
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[18:04:16] <Coren_> Auuugh! U6 doesn't work under dosbox. :-(
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[18:42:01] <wjp> hi
[18:42:29] <wjp> well, that's finally over :-)
[18:42:46] <Colourless> hi
[18:42:49] <wjp> had to give a 50-minute talk on Galois theory today
[18:43:07] <wjp> (which, as it turns out, is rather short :-) )
[18:43:56] * Colourless has no idea what wjp is actually talking about, but still nods head in agreement
[18:44:37] <Coren_> Aren't fields fun? :-)
[18:45:07] <wjp> Colourless: did you commit your fixes?
[18:45:26] <wjp> (I didn't get any cvs logs mails on the subject, but my mail seems to be a bit laggy currently)
[18:46:03] <wjp> Coren_: u6 should work fine in dosbox
[18:46:04] <Colourless> yes i did
[18:46:27] <wjp> how about releasing this weekend, then?
[18:46:39] <Colourless> fine with me
[18:47:00] <wjp> Fingolfin: do you have some time this weekend to do a macosx binary?
[18:48:07] <wjp> GAH!
[18:48:10] <wjp> *curses postfix*
[18:48:32] <Colourless> explain
[18:48:40] * wjp points at his inbox
[18:48:51] <wjp> I got two mails each 10 times or more
[18:49:11] <wjp> the reason is a rather interesting 'feature' of postfix, as I understand it
[18:49:19] <Colourless> yeah well, could be worse, could be 100 mails, 10 times or more :-)
[18:49:38] <wjp> if it can't deliver an email to a single member of an alias, it decides to retry sending to everybody, instead of just to the failed recipient
[18:49:57] <wjp> in this particular case, one of our staff members has a 'full' inbox (maximum size reached)
[18:49:58] <Colourless> impressive
[18:50:16] <wjp> which means all mails to it bounce, and get retried over and over again
[18:50:36] <Colourless> sane mail servers usually detect such things
[18:50:51] <wjp> you'd think that, yes :-)
[18:51:47] <Colourless> i've seen dumber problems such as the mail servers continuly sending emails to the mailbox of an account that is full
[18:52:20] <wjp> well, a full inbox is of course a temporary failure
[18:52:23] <wjp> so it should resend
[18:52:23] <Colourless> that is, sending notification messages
[18:54:03] <Colourless> how 'current' is the webcvs
[18:54:54] <wjp> there should be a warning on the webcvs page if it isn't current
[18:54:57] <Colourless> i committed my changes like 5 hours ago
[18:55:16] <wjp> I think SF migrated all projects onto the new servers already, so there shouldn't be a delay anymore
[18:55:37] <Colourless> well, webcvs isn't reflecting the changes
[18:55:37] <Coren_> U6 makes my dosbox (0.6) die with an 'Exit to error: Unhandled CPU opcode'. 0.6 specific? Or perhaps the U6 executable in the Ultima Collection is somehow mangled?
[18:56:01] <wjp> hm, dunno
[18:56:11] <wjp> it 'used to' work
[18:56:55] <Coren_> My ancient U6 floppies are now mostly petrified, so I can't check against the original.
[18:57:58] <Colourless> i'm guessing that nothing was done to u6 on the uc cd
[18:57:59] <wjp> Colourless: I just updated and your change is there
[18:58:11] <Coren_> I don't expect you have U6 hanging around? If so we could compare md5s
[18:58:19] <wjp> I have U6 here
[18:58:53] <wjp> a23dcb1c96d625234a7c507c10fc94cc u.exe
[18:58:53] <wjp> bd0a0c9558ea067e0af4c269bbf42b4f ultima6.exe
[18:59:09] <wjp> 58a932cff325aa11ceabf3c8e5abadcd game.exe
[19:00:19] <Colourless> u6 in cga looks really bad :-)
[19:00:23] <Coren_> Nope. They match.
[19:00:43] <Coren_> So /that/'s not the problem. I guess I'll go and get me 0.58
[19:02:20] <Coren_> Kinda odd, though, I wouldn't expect they'd have /removed/ support for some opcodes from 0.6
[19:02:49] <Colourless> new features can sometimes break things
[19:03:06] <Colourless> especially true if a component is rewritten
[19:03:42] <wjp> and the difference between 0.58 and 0.60 is rather huge
[19:03:47] <wjp> (it added protected mode :-) )
[19:03:50] <Coren_> I know that, Colourless, but then you rarely get a proper 'not implemented' message. :-)
[19:04:08] <wjp> accidentally jumping to a wrong spot would cause such a thing
[19:04:15] <wjp> s/would/could/
[19:06:54] <Coren_> That's a bit annoying since Uw2 didn't work so hot in .58 but has much improved in .60.
[19:07:26] <wjp> did you try compiling dosbox with debug mode to see what exactly goes wrong?
[19:08:09] <Coren_> Nah, didn't bother with that just yet. I was waiting to know if someone knew for a fact that it was /supposed/ to work without, say, a patch.
[19:09:27] <Coren_> .58 sez: 'Exit to error: an unsupported feature'
[19:09:33] <Coren_> Now I'm /really/ confused.
[19:10:00] * Coren_ tries again with .6, debugging turned on
[19:10:26] <wjp> well, it worked for me, but my dosbox has been patched at times
[19:10:54] <Coren_> The dosbox site lists U6 as 'supported'.
[19:13:07] <Colourless> hmm, curious.... why does the dosbox site have dune2 pictures as it's logo
[19:13:18] <Coren_> Kinda sad, though, that I never did manage to make my LAPC-1 card work under Linux. :-)
[19:13:52] <Coren_> Which is moot now given that my current mobo doesn't even have ISA slots anymore. :-/
[19:13:56] <Colourless> hell, even the background image is a dir of the dune2 directory
[19:14:41] <Coren_> Dune2 might well havebeen the motivation behind dosbox all along. :-)
[19:14:45] <wjp> Coren_: when exactly does u6 crash?
[19:14:53] <Colourless> ya think :-)
[19:15:14] <Coren_> wjp: immediately. Before graphic mode switch even.
[19:15:36] <wjp> I'm fighting gargoyles in LB's castle currently :-)
[19:15:42] <wjp> (with an unpatched 0.60)
[19:15:48] <Fingolfin> wjp: yes, on sunday at least
[19:15:50] * Coren_ is annoyed.
[19:16:02] <Coren_> Linux-specific bug?
[19:16:02] * Colourless downloads dosbox for windows
[19:16:02] <wjp> Fingolfin: great :-)
[19:16:09] <wjp> Coren_: I'm in linux :-)
[19:16:16] <Fingolfin> wjp: BTW, ViewCVS is not going to be instantly updated; it'll remain at a 24hour lag, AFAIK, but at least it will really be at most 24hours, and not 6 days as it used to be =)
[19:16:21] <Coren_> What the?
[19:16:25] <wjp> Fingolfin: ah, ok
[19:16:36] <wjp> Fingolfin: same for anoncvs?
[19:16:56] <Coren_> Hmmm. With install, you selected what? MGA-Mouse-AdLib?
[19:17:09] <wjp> mt-32, actually
[19:17:22] <wjp> mga?
[19:17:23] * Coren_ tries that, just in case.
[19:17:35] <wjp> well, you need the dosbox mt-32 emu for that
[19:17:43] <Colourless> mga... you mean mcga ?
[19:17:45] <Coren_> Ah, yes, point.
[19:18:09] <Coren_> Yes, I meant MCGA.
[19:18:34] <Coren_> Well, I tried with sound/music disabled with same result
[19:19:11] <Coren_> Hmmm.
[19:19:18] <Coren_> Unhandled code 127
[19:19:23] <Coren_> IO:IO:Out or range read from port 1514
[19:19:50] <Coren_> 5ea doesn't correspond to any code I know of.
[19:20:25] <Coren_> Can you dcc me your current dosbox binary?
[19:20:36] <Coren_> s/code/device/
[19:21:11] <Coren_> Hmm, waitaminit
[19:21:19] <wjp> I can pretty much guarantee that it won't run on your system
[19:21:20] <Coren_> Last file opened: mcgadrv.bin
[19:21:45] <Coren_> 80d16f8cb2b73913f874a69a77d078b6 ultima6/MCGADRV.BIN
[19:22:07] <wjp> same here
[19:22:57] <Coren_> I have this annoying feeling I'm tickling a complier bug.
[19:24:00] <Coren_> Actually, this would be darn unlikely given that it fails with two different versions in basically the same way.
[19:24:07] <Colourless> running fine here
[19:25:00] <Colourless> argh. it emulates the pc speaker too
[19:25:29] <Coren_> 5.1 surround. :-)
[19:26:27] <Coren_> I don't even /have/ a pc speaker anymore. Not since I first booted this mobo who has a "friendly" voice POST reporting feature. I nearly ripped it out.
[19:26:46] <wjp> "Your keyboard has a problem"
[19:27:22] <Coren_> Well, I wouldn't have minded problem reporting this way much. But the "Tests complete. Now booting operating system." was a bit much for me. :-)
[19:28:06] <wjp> heh, that definitely is overdoing it
[19:29:49] <Coren_> And the voice... well... it's *obviously* meant to emulate the TNG computer voice, and the lady who does the attempt manages to sound almost, but not quite, totally unlike it.
[19:31:36] <wjp> :-)
[19:32:23] <Coren_> Wish you could flash the samples. That could have been fun. Borg come to mind as likely canditates for friendly reporting. :-)
[19:42:23] <Coren_> LOL. Decided to try extracting the executable from the rpm and try that and I end up on your site. Heh. You use RH?
[19:42:34] <Coren_> How quaint. :-)
[19:46:52] <Coren_> Okay, things go *boom* with the version you have rpmized as well.
[19:51:39] <wjp> no, I don't use RH
[19:51:51] <wjp> well, I use it to build rpms, but that's all :-)
[19:52:19] <wjp> I use gentoo
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[19:54:05] <wjp> fun detail of that rpm on my site: 80% of all downloads have 'MSIE' in the user agent string
[19:54:50] <wjp> ah, no, it went down since last night. 52% now
[20:01:13] <Coren_> Not that surprising; Konqueror is often told to play MSIE.
[20:02:04] <Coren_> You'd be surprised at the number of stupid corporate sites that check the User Agent, give you an error if it's not MSIE, but work fine with Konqueror (minus the occasional layout quirk)
[20:06:25] <Colourless> it will probably always be like that. originally IE used to say it was netscape cause there were so many sites that would only accept netscape
[20:06:43] <Colourless> now, other browsers say they are ie
[20:06:44] <wjp> it still returns something with Mozilla, doesn't it?
[20:06:54] <Colourless> yes
[20:07:46] <Colourless> in the future should some other browser manage to take over from ie, then you'll have other browsers pretending to be that one
[20:10:58] <Colourless> makes me laugh that of the features that dosbox does support, it seems to do them better than the POS that is the NTVDM
[20:11:47] <wjp> dosbox really does a great job
[20:11:52] <wjp> it even plays U7 :-)
[20:12:02] <Colourless> even plays u8 :-)
[20:12:11] <wjp> it does now?
[20:12:18] <Colourless> says 0.60
[20:12:57] <Colourless> i would imagine very very slowly though
[20:14:16] <Colourless> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.php?showID=495&letter=U
[20:15:25] <wjp> wow, it does run
[20:15:45] <wjp> not slow at all
[20:16:02] <Colourless> refuses to work for m
[20:16:03] <Colourless> e
[20:16:08] <Colourless> just stops at a black screen
[20:16:10] <wjp> press escape
[20:16:20] <Colourless> yeah, doesn't help
[20:16:31] <wjp> ctrl-f12 a few times, ctrl-f8 a few times
[20:17:39] <wjp> at the default speed it might just take a few minutes to get past the intro
[20:18:02] <Colourless> your cpu is faster than mine
[20:18:35] <wjp> that shouldn't stop it from working, though
[20:19:28] <wjp> although given U8's timer internals it just might
[20:20:43] <Colourless> it's working
[20:21:56] <Colourless> speed is pretty good too
[20:24:27] <Colourless> ok, now figure out why pentagram's timing seems screwy when doing the docks scene
[20:24:57] <Colourless> ultima8 crashed :-)
[20:25:22] <Colourless> i went into the menu to disable the footsteps and it quit to dos
[20:25:42] <wjp> it just hung here when I clicked something in the diary
[20:26:05] <wjp> did U8 have some kind of frame-by-frame mode in the debugger?
[20:26:18] <Colourless> no idea
[20:26:27] <Colourless> possibly
[20:26:46] <Colourless> half of the debugging stuff was disabled, half though was still active
[20:26:55] <Colourless> just got to know the right keys to push
[20:29:17] <Colourless> ok, ultima 8 is about as stable in dosbox as it is for me under ntvdm
[20:29:45] <wjp> in my case the difference is a bit more extreme :-)
[20:29:55] <wjp> dosbox means I can actually run it :-)
[20:30:14] <Colourless> in dosbox i can actually get sound now though :-)
[20:30:41] <Colourless> in ntvdm the music is a major cause of stability problems
[20:35:26] <wjp> "Kernel Process Type Frequency Data"
[20:35:35] <wjp> i.e., an internal profiler :-)
[20:38:33] <Coren_> Still haven't managed to make U6 work, meself. :-(
[20:39:06] <Colourless> are you sure you haven't made some configuration change that is causing you the problems
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[21:03:25] <Dominus> hi all
[21:03:29] <Dominus> beta3 beta3 beta3 beta3 beta3 beta3 beta3 beta3
[21:03:43] <Colourless> quiet
[21:04:40] <Dominus> coren: just for troubleshooting: dosbox did have problems before with uppercase/lowercase filenames on linux (at least there was some problem with nuvie devs at the beginning, i seem to remember)
[21:05:07] <Dominus> also, of course make sure that you have the proper file attributes, meaning, not read only...
[21:05:32] <Dominus> also you probably have to use install.ese first to set it up...
[21:05:47] <Dominus> just the most obvious that spring to my mind
[21:06:41] <Colourless> i should be going
[21:06:44] <Colourless> cya
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[21:07:09] <Dominus> also Coren_ & servus: your game engines being discussed in what do I know how many channels are a bit annoying :-)
[21:07:27] <Dominus> only a bit and only because they happen in four or more channels a day :-)
[21:08:29] <Dominus> other than that I enjoy them
[21:08:47] <Coren_> Dominus: Yes. My apologies for that; you'll notice I realized it some moment well into our discussion and moved it to #low. :-)
[21:09:03] <Dominus> he he
[21:09:15] <Dominus> now I have to read #low logs as well, or what?
[21:09:17] <Dominus> :-)
[21:09:42] <Dominus> btw, glad to see you back at coding low :-)
[21:14:36] <wjp> hi Dominus
[21:19:41] <Coren_> Dominus: Yeah, well. I'm jobless at the moment (silly college has this thing about not being allowed to be a RA unless you study there) LOL.
[21:19:49] <Dominus> hmm, so if dosbox is so advanced as being able to play u8, they can now drop the development. playing all the ultimas (except u9 of course) was all i ever wanted
[21:20:04] <Dominus> oh
[21:20:21] <Dominus> i wonder if win95 now installs in dosbox
[21:20:43] <Coren_> Aaaugh! That was it, Colourless. My U6 files were -r because I copied them from the CD -rp. :-)
[21:20:53] <Coren_> It works great after just a chmod.
[21:21:08] <Dominus> hey it was me who pointed that out
[21:21:17] <Dominus> glad it works now
[21:21:28] <Coren_> Err, oops. Thanks Dominus. No thanks to you, Colourless! :-)
[21:21:53] <Dominus> I think dosbox should make a huge note about this. it'S a common error
[21:22:36] <Coren_> It's my silly bad habbit of typing cp -rp without thinking if I really want the -p. I usually do. :-)
[21:29:02] <wjp> mode is preserved by default
[21:29:15] <wjp> isn't it?
[21:30:27] <Coren_> No, that's what -p asks. 'permissions'.
[21:30:33] <wjp> hm, although it might just apply umask
[21:30:37] <wjp> no, -p = 'preserve'
[21:30:54] <Coren_> Otherwise, files are created with your current umask; which might also be readonly if you are particularly paranoid. :-)
[21:31:04] <Coren_> -preserve permissions (and owner)
[21:31:07] <Coren_> :-)
[21:31:12] <wjp> and timestamp :-)
[21:31:56] <wjp> it looks like by default it copies the permissions but applies umask
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[21:41:06] <Dominus> wow, u8 really works there
[21:41:17] <Dominus> though I didn't get to see the intro
[21:42:32] <Dominus> of course the game first crashed dosbox (but that was because I had disabled ems and dpmi for u7...)
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[22:02:37] <wjp> time to go
[22:02:38] <wjp> night
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[22:55:16] <Coren_> Augh. The MT-32 emu site complied with the C&D. I should have hurried and grabbed the files earlier.
[22:55:59] <Coren_> Anyone here have them around? Ond FYI, I'm the proud owner of a gee-new-hine LAPC-1 card which might even still work (I haven't had an ISA slot to try it in in ages). :-)
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