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[13:43:35] <Baastuul> Good morning.
[13:45:44] <trand> morning~
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[16:53:04] <Tawn> Greetings all
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[16:59:16] <trand> name
[16:59:18] <trand> job
[16:59:19] <trand> bye
[16:59:21] <trand> =3
[17:02:07] <Colourless> ?name
[17:02:12] <Colourless> !name
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[17:02:19] <Colourless> hmm
[17:02:23] <Colourless> ?logs
[17:02:23] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php
[17:02:33] <Colourless> damn you antisocial exultbot
[17:12:16] <wjp> what did it do?
[17:12:40] <wjp> oh, I see it's more what he _didn't_ do :-)
[17:14:07] <Colourless> ya
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[18:40:12] <Tawn> Hello all
[18:41:37] <sbx> Hello Tawn
[18:44:22] <Tawn> Hi Sb-x, how're ya doin?
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[18:49:00] <sbx> great
[18:49:09] <sbx> What are you up to?
[18:51:16] <Tawn> I'm installing a new file repository for ES Guides
[18:51:41] <Tawn> But it had a few things I din't like with it so I'm modifying it
[18:51:45] <Tawn> And it's a pain :)
[18:52:19] <Tawn> Because of security measures within Mambo I have to uninstall and reinstall the whole component when I want to test it... :(
[18:55:47] <Tawn> I'm nearly done too, but there's one image that won't show up and there is an annoying little box with an X in it where it should be
[18:56:01] <Tawn> And I can't seem to fix it :)
[18:59:00] <Tawn> Ahh, found it :)
[18:59:30] <sbx> longer text length?
[19:00:04] <sbx> description length
[19:00:34] <sbx> `
[19:01:47] <Tawn> It was a silly mistake on the part of the original coder
[19:02:08] <Tawn> They set it to look for the image in the components folder
[19:02:26] <Tawn> It should have been the images folder
[19:03:01] <sbx> I mean will there be longer descriptions on downloads?
[19:03:08] <Tawn> Yeah
[19:03:20] <Tawn> With full WYSIWYG/Htlm
[19:03:23] <sbx> cool :)
[19:03:25] <Tawn> Html even
[19:03:43] <Tawn> And you can upload/add pics with the built in picture manager
[19:04:55] <sbx> I could settle for plain text input of descriptions myself.
[19:05:22] <Tawn> Yeah but this is fancier ;)
[19:05:41] <Tawn> It wasn't even that, you can edit details of the file
[19:05:47] <Tawn> Without resubmitting it
[19:06:09] <Tawn> So if you make a mistake or have something to add in the description, it's very easy
[19:06:41] <Tawn> And it's got some nice admisistration features
[19:06:51] <Tawn> So it's an all-rounder :)
[19:08:15] <sbx> sounds good
[19:10:55] <Tawn> I'm writing a basic Usecode guide as well (different from Wizardry's, more about integration into Studio)
[19:11:11] <Tawn> And Alun is doing a more advanced one at the same time
[19:13:59] <Tawn> Oh at last, it's done :)
[19:14:33] <Tawn> I've had to modify, uninstall and install at least 7 times over the past 5 hours
[19:15:39] <sbx> Alun is working on a guide too?
[19:15:44] <sbx> congratulations btw
[19:15:49] <Tawn> Yeah, at least soon
[19:15:53] <Tawn> Congrats?
[19:15:58] <sbx> you've got it working
[19:16:05] <Tawn> Ahh thanks :)
[19:16:10] <sbx> Is the site design going to be the same?
[19:17:02] <Tawn> Yeah, though that new WYSIWYG editor is integrated with the whole site
[19:17:17] <Tawn> What do you think of it? The design?
[19:17:51] <sbx> where is it again?
[19:17:59] <Tawn> The site? :)
[19:18:08] <Tawn> www.wiredentertainment.net/exult
[19:18:28] <Tawn> Though I've registered esguides.com so it'll be that in a few days
[19:18:39] <sbx> yep it's a good design for something like this
[19:18:48] <sbx> ok
[19:18:51] <Tawn> I rather functional
[19:19:03] <Tawn> Easy to find information is most important :)
[19:19:13] <wjp> too many subcategories, IMO
[19:19:37] <sbx> I didn't even look over there.
[19:19:59] <Tawn> As in the Studio, Usecode and General Guides?
[19:20:32] <Tawn> I don't mind constructive critisism btw :)
[19:23:31] <wjp> well, you currently need to go into a three level deep tree to get to any files
[19:24:09] <Tawn> Oh yeah, I see what you mean
[19:24:32] <Tawn> Is there any way around that do you think?
[19:25:03] <Tawn> Downloads>Category>File
[19:25:36] <Tawn> With the new repository you can Download the file or go to it's Details
[19:25:55] <wjp> s/it's/its/ :-)
[19:26:34] <Tawn> I can have the catefories as a submenu, would that be better?
[19:26:52] <Tawn> Or a separate menu altogether (A Downloads menu)
[19:27:01] * wjp hmms
[19:27:57] <wjp> might help, yes
[19:28:19] <wjp> I'm not overly experienced with this kind of UI design, I'm afraid :/
[19:28:25] <Tawn> I'll look into it :)
[19:28:49] <Tawn> There is also the "Newest Downloads"
[19:29:01] <Tawn> So your file is on the front page at least for a while
[19:29:49] <sbx> don't really need categories for files
[19:30:09] <sbx> unless guides are considered files
[19:30:26] <Tawn> No, they aren't
[19:30:39] <Tawn> It's just that they are three different things
[19:30:58] <Tawn> Usecode examples are just for reading (copying maybe)
[19:31:09] <Tawn> Patches fix/add things to the original games
[19:31:21] <Tawn> And Full Games are whole new games
[19:31:36] <Tawn> I've taken out full games til we get any :)
[19:32:08] <wjp> could you put all the files on a single page in two sections?
[19:32:27] <wjp> e.g., examples, horizontal bar, patches
[19:32:44] <sbx> Or I was going to ask if there is a way to noticably tag the files as being a certain type. But the sections might be better organized.
[19:32:48] <Tawn> No, it wouldn't support that I'm afraid
[19:33:02] <Tawn> Hmmm
[19:33:54] <Tawn> But if you have a menu on the front page like:
[19:33:58] <Tawn> Downloads:
[19:34:01] <Tawn> Patches
[19:34:05] <Tawn> Usecode Examples
[19:34:16] <Tawn> People are going to pick what they're interested in anyway
[19:34:39] <Tawn> What do ye think?
[19:35:05] <sbx> If it's on the front page it would be just as well.
[19:35:20] * wjp nods
[19:35:27] <Tawn> Cool, I'll do that then :)
[19:38:05] <Tawn> Wjp, are you Curiousis?
[19:38:22] <wjp> no
[19:38:31] <wjp> gruck is Curiousis :-)
[19:38:40] <Tawn> Ahh ok, just haven't met that person :)
[19:39:01] <wjp> you haven't?
[19:39:05] <Tawn> Nope
[19:39:16] <Tawn> He's e-mailed me alright
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[19:39:31] <sbx> he made the Exult Studio doc
[19:39:32] <Tawn> But I was wondering if I'd met him here
[19:39:38] <Tawn> Ahh ok
[19:40:28] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php?log=14Apr2005
[19:40:37] <wjp> around 19:20
[19:41:25] <Tawn> Damn my memory :)
[19:41:47] <Tawn> And bless yours, that's a good one you have :-D
[19:42:51] <sbx> exultbot's?
[19:44:06] <Tawn> No, wjp's for remembering I met him :)
[19:44:30] <sbx> I remember that too.
[19:44:58] <Tawn> Oh, hehe.
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[19:45:13] <Tawn> LoL
[19:45:16] <sbx> :)
[19:45:21] <sbx> hi
[19:45:23] <Tawn> Speak of the devil, hey Curiousis
[19:45:23] <Curiousis-2> yeah, I just happened to be reading the logs
[19:45:27] <sbx> who summoned thee?
[19:45:34] <Curiousis-2> So I decided to login. I thought it'd be a hoot
[19:45:45] <Tawn> Sorry about that man, sometimes my head is doolaly :)
[19:45:47] <sbx> a hoot indeed
[19:45:51] <sbx> or something
[19:45:58] <Tawn> You were spying on us?
[19:46:10] <Tawn> ;-D
[19:46:20] <Curiousis-2> I prefer a hottenany, but a shindig works wonders too. Spying? Yeah pretty much.
[19:47:04] <Tawn> How're ya keeping?
[19:47:29] <Tawn> I'll upload the patch with the install guide this evening
[19:48:03] <Curiousis-2> No particular complaints. I finished school a few days ago. Now I'm on a few week vacation before I'm forced to contend with the real world.
[19:48:18] <Tawn> LoL, ahh ok
[19:48:41] <Tawn> Working for the summer then?
[19:49:18] <Curiousis-2> Well.. know I'm going for a hike for the summer. Then I have to figure out what the hell to do with my degree. Likely going back to school so I can avoid the real world for awhile longer
[19:49:59] <Tawn> Hehehe, what's your degree in?
[19:50:11] <sbx> Alchemy
[19:50:12] <Curiousis-2> Microbiology/Immunology
[19:50:30] <Curiousis-2> Well... kind of like alchemy except alive things
[19:51:08] <Tawn> Ahh cool :)
[19:51:17] <sbx> Oops I was thinking of someone else.
[19:51:48] <Curiousis-2> Just the last year of school so burnt me out that I couldn't go straight back. I need a year of enjoying life before I start to think about torturing myself again
[19:52:04] <Tawn> Yeah that sounds good
[19:52:21] <Tawn> I started my own business and it's doing the same to me
[19:52:30] <Tawn> Don't think I'll get a break for a while though :)
[19:52:33] <Curiousis-2> Oh yeah, what do you do?
[19:52:43] <Tawn> Gaming & Internet Center
[19:52:47] <sbx> Tawn: Invite Curiousis to work at your place for a year.
[19:52:59] <Tawn> Hehe, if he works for free :)
[19:53:25] <sbx> If you give him a place to live!
[19:53:35] <Tawn> Hahaha
[19:53:38] <sbx> and free alcohol, I'm sure he will
[19:53:41] <Curiousis-2> Hell... For the next year I'm only looking for food, lodging, and liquor money
[19:53:57] <sbx> right, that's what I said
[19:54:07] <Tawn> Ok, buy yourself a ticket to Ireland then :)
[19:54:36] <Curiousis-2> I'm afraid the female situation in a gaming centre might not be quite what I'm looking for,but I have always wanted to visit Ireland
[19:54:37] <sbx> I'd go for it.
[19:54:50] <sbx> hehe
[19:54:57] <Tawn> Hehe, we have females, just not many :)
[19:55:32] <Curiousis-2> Fair enough. I've thought of going into business some day, but I need more education to do what I truly want to do...
[19:55:47] <Tawn> And anyway, Irish women are gagging for it ;-D
[19:56:09] <Tawn> What do you want to do?
[19:57:10] <Curiousis-2> Well... after several years of working at a degree in biochemistry and microbiology/immunology (I did a double honours) I've always been fascinated by the laboratory equipment
[19:58:27] <Curiousis-2> More specifically... getting computers to more efficiently automake laboratory procedures. Things are good but they can be better.
[19:58:36] <Curiousis-2> automake=automate
[19:59:04] <Tawn> Ahh I see, sounds good
[19:59:53] <Tawn> sounds difficult though
[20:00:16] <Curiousis-2> Everything worth doing is difficult
[20:00:28] <sbx> meh
[20:00:37] <Tawn> Yeah, definately :)
[20:00:40] <sbx> I guess so.
[20:01:22] <Tawn> And would this be interfacing with current equipment or completely new designs?
[20:02:08] <sbx> Anyone know of a binary diff tool for win32?
[20:02:46] <Curiousis-2> Well it depends. Some things are good... some arn't so good. This is an idea in progress... I've had a lot of them and the whole goal of my next year is to sort out which one is worth following
[20:03:16] <Tawn> Yeah, I get that
[20:04:23] <Curiousis-2> So like I said... in about 3 weeks I'm going for a hike. I'll be in the woods with a backpack for about 2 months or more. Thinking time.
[20:04:53] <Curiousis-2> Anyway, enough about me
[20:05:59] <Tawn> Hehe, ok. Hiking does sound good though
[20:08:09] * Curiousis-2 checks the price of a ticket from Halifax to Ireland
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[20:10:41] <Dominus> hey ho
[20:11:01] <Tawn> Hey Dom
[20:11:14] <Curiousis-2> Wowsers, it's Dominus!
[20:11:44] <Dominus> he he, once in a lifetime I'm on at the same time with Curiousis-2
[20:12:20] <Curiousis-2> My heart is beating like a thousand drums... Do you feel it too?
[20:12:44] <Curiousis-2> or something...
[20:13:15] <Dominus> uhm, no...
[20:13:24] <Dominus> good news!!!!
[20:13:35] <Dominus> my child will be a girl
[20:14:56] <Tawn> Awwww, that's great news
[20:14:59] <Tawn> Congrats
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[20:16:08] <Dominus> uh oh, curiousis heart gave up...
[20:16:30] <Tawn> Hehe
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[20:37:26] <Tawn> Ok guys, how's the Download Menu now?
[20:38:29] <Tawn> http://www.wiredentertainment.net/exult
[20:38:31] <wjp> much better
[20:38:51] <Tawn> Good :)
[20:40:12] <Dominus> yup, though I wonder why the SF Island patch is in usecode examples
[20:40:52] <Dominus> and it definitley needs Exult 1.4x
[20:41:30] <Tawn> Well I thought it might encourage people to check out the code behind it
[20:41:58] <Tawn> But if you disagree, I can move it into Patches
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[20:42:53] <Dominus> 1,4x is required because it makes use of the loosening of the 1024 shapes restriction in earlier exults
[20:43:34] <Dominus> hmm, maybe another definition of patches and mods should be made
[20:43:40] <Tawn> Ahh I see, I changed that just now
[20:44:00] <Dominus> up to now we labeled mods and patches jsut patches
[20:44:01] <Tawn> How do you mean?
[20:44:06] <Tawn> Yeah
[20:44:38] <Dominus> curiosis' rankin usecode file is more a patch and the SF island and Alun's stuff are more like mods
[20:44:59] <Tawn> That's true
[20:45:14] <Tawn> I'll change that around, it suits better
[20:46:17] <Dominus> or instead of mods (I don't like that word) something like "extensive patches that are meant to enrich your quality of life"
[20:46:34] <Dominus> but that is a bit too much to type everytime :)
[20:46:48] <Tawn> LoL
[20:46:57] <Tawn> I'm settlinf on Modifications
[20:47:11] <Tawn> Hmm
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[20:47:17] * Dominus thinks that Tawn should ignore Dominus from time to time
[20:47:17] <Tawn> Maybe Mods is best :)
[20:47:29] <Tawn> No I think you're on to something
[20:47:42] <Tawn> If I thought you were wrong, I'd tell ya ;)
[20:49:02] <Tawn> Everyone understands what a mod is anyway
[20:49:25] <Tawn> So it won't confuse people as much
[20:49:36] <Dominus> on the one hand you have gameplay patches that correct shortcomings of the original (btw. we have a listing of those somewhere on CVS) and then we have mod patches that add to the game.
[20:49:53] <Dominus> but you are right people mostly know what mods and patches are
[20:50:37] <Tawn> No point in reinventing the wheel :)
[20:50:56] <Tawn> If it quacks like a look and looks like a duck, call it a duck ;)
[20:51:27] <wjp> how does a look quack?
[20:51:36] <Tawn> LoL
[20:52:04] <Tawn> My mind works faster than I can type, so my text is always trying to catch up and makes mistakes :)
[20:53:01] <Tawn> That's done now, much better I must say
[20:53:10] <Tawn> Makes more sense
[20:53:39] <Dominus> docs\usecode_bugs.txt has the list of bugs in the original usecode and some ideas on how to patch them
[20:53:58] <Tawn> Ok, I'll check it out Wednesday
[20:54:06] <Tawn> Gotta head home now and i'm off tomorrow
[20:54:16] <wjp> bye
[20:54:22] <Tawn> Take care all
[20:54:25] <Tawn> See ye later
[20:54:34] <Dominus> cu
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[20:59:58] <sbx> hmm guess I'm a little late, hi Dominus
[21:00:18] <Dominus> hi sbx :)
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