#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 18 Feb 2002 (GMT)

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[06:50:56] <exultbot> It is now Mon Feb 18 06:50:56 2002 (GMT).
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[07:22:56] <sbx|crying_on_the_inside> hi
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[18:17:37] <sbx|crying_on_the_inside> hmm
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[18:17:37] <sbx> hello
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[18:31:33] <Dominus> hi
[18:33:59] <Dominus> sbx: see http://exult.sourceforge.net/docs.php#command_line
[18:35:58] <sbx> That is out of date.
[18:36:03] <sbx> --game works for SI
[18:36:13] <sbx> and docs/newgame.txt says it should work for a new game
[18:36:37] <Dominus> yeah, --game serpentisle is a relict
[18:37:00] <Dominus> and --game (whatever) is kind of unused yet
[18:37:02] <Dominus> :-)
[18:37:34] <sbx> :-(
[18:38:45] <sbx> Do any of you think the U7 port on SNES is similiar to Ultima 6?
[18:38:51] <Dominus> so as of now --game (gamename) is only usable by developers as there is no new game created yet :-)
[18:39:30] <sbx> Well.. I was trying to "develop" a new game hehe
[18:39:34] <Dominus> u7 port: actually no. It is more of an abomination in my eyes
[18:39:47] <Dominus> and how was it working out?
[18:39:59] <sbx> --game didnt work
[18:40:29] <Dominus> but you did specify a new game in exult.cfg?
[18:40:40] <sbx> yeah
[18:40:59] <sbx> but i couldnt see that the <editing> tag did anything
[18:41:08] <sbx> it still wanted files that were not there
[18:41:17] <sbx> so i copied all my bg stuff to the new game dir
[18:41:23] <sbx> and tried --game and it didnt work
[18:41:36] <Dominus> well, should be easy to test if you just copy for example the serpent isle dir to the new game dir...
[18:41:56] <Dominus> hmm, I'll try shortly
[18:43:00] <sbx> Error opening file /home/sbx/build/chan_exult/gamedat/identity
[18:43:17] <sbx> it shows that when i hit Journey Onward
[18:43:20] <sbx> oh wait..
[18:44:01] <sbx> nm, yeah it does work with the si data
[18:44:54] <sbx> heh, its not si tho :)
[18:45:48] <sbx> as in the ship didnt appear at the start, and there are other errors
[18:45:59] <Dominus> I just noticed myself :-)
[18:46:10] <Dominus> but that is too be expected
[18:46:45] <Dominus> there are some things programed in Exult SI specific (as in when SI then...)
[18:47:17] <Dominus> and in my test the game was called test and so Exult didn't use that SI specific code :-)
[18:49:08] <sbx> hmm
[18:49:14] <sbx> but maybe it could detect it
[18:49:26] <sbx> because when I hit Journey Onward it says Gamedat identity SILVER SEED
[18:49:30] <Dominus> with BG it actually works kind of
[18:50:49] <Dominus> that is because exult checks for some specific data but the game is defined by exult.cfg...
[18:51:07] <Dominus> F2 still says unknown game type
[18:51:10] <Cless|Away> it could be considered a 'bug' as there is no consitant method used for game specific code. it can be anythog GAME_BG, !GAME_BG, GAME_SI or !GAME_SI
[18:51:28] <Cless|Away> s/anythog/any of/
[18:52:04] <Cless|Away> i'm pretty sure that new games are meant to act like SI
[18:52:31] <Cless|Away> but the new game AFAIK is detected as neither BG or SI
[18:52:56] <Dominus> which is kind of what I would expect
[18:53:26] <Dominus> it is not supposed to be either game
[18:53:50] <wjp> IMHO, there should be 3 types of games: BG, SI and CUSTOM. CUSTOM will probably be a lot like SI, but it shouldn't have to be identical
[18:54:27] <sbx> What does Gamedat Identity come from?
[18:54:36] <Cless|Away> a file
[18:54:36] <wjp> the 'identity' file
[18:55:12] <sbx> Would that be CUSTOM?
[18:55:16] <sbx> in a new game
[18:55:31] <wjp> no, that would be the name of the game, roughly, I guess
[18:56:06] <wjp> it's mostly meant to prevent savegames from different games being loaded
[18:58:00] <sbx> oh
[19:01:15] <Dominus> Guess I should add to the --buildmap command in the doc that you need to run Exult in windowed mode... :-)
[19:01:24] <wjp> yeah :-)
[19:01:44] <wjp> thanks for catching that, btw... I totally forgot about it
[19:02:17] <Dominus> (or someone could build a override in the --buildmap command to disable fullscreen) :-)
[19:02:38] <wjp> yeah, and reduce the window size to 1x1 :-)
[19:02:53] <Dominus> yep
[19:07:11] <sbx> Would it be more helpful for me to play BG in Exult and look for bugs, than it would for me to try and make a new game?
[19:07:33] <Dominus> hm, hard to say
[19:07:53] <wjp> I'd say just do what you like best :-)
[19:08:02] <wjp> either one will be very helpful
[19:08:06] <Dominus> for the development of Studio it would be nice if someone actually tried to be the guinea pig
[19:09:59] <Dominus> but for getting rid of the possibly remaining BG bugs it would be good to have someone reliable to play it again before the 1.0 release
[19:14:12] <sbx> bleh... maybe I should just sit in here and whine... wouldn't that be helpful? ;-)
[19:14:47] <Dominus> noooo, for that it's better to be in the forum (easier to ignore) :-)
[19:14:54] * wjp slaps sbx around a bit with a giant trout
[19:16:18] <sbx> Thanks for helping me, I gotta run.
[19:16:18] * sbx waves.
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[19:16:41] <Dominus> I'm so disappointed I missed the Avatar's appearance in #exult - I would have liked to reply to him :-)
[19:16:55] <Cless|Away> hmmm
[19:17:25] <Dominus> I actually wonder why you've been that nice to him
[19:17:57] <Dominus> he's probably the first one who would have deserved a kickban from here
[19:18:14] <Cless|Away> well, he didn't do anything wrong as such
[19:18:30] <Cless|Away> BTW i DID kick ban him :-)
[19:18:38] <Dominus> he he
[19:19:08] <Cless|Away> i think it was the first occasion he came here.
[19:19:52] <Dominus> it was quite nice to see him being kicked off over and over again :-)
[20:01:39] <Dominus> bbl
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[21:03:58] <Dominus> thx
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