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[05:03:02] <matt0> kirben!
[05:03:08] <Kirben> Hi
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[07:36:27] <Copernica> hello
[07:38:35] <Kirben> Hi
[07:39:06] <Copernica> i believe i have found a bug in exult 0.93alpha4
[07:39:37] <Copernica> i'm going through the FOV and i'm at the point where i need to return to britain to get the lenses (i should've remembered to take them with me :P)
[07:40:00] <Copernica> anyhow, i board the ship i took to the Isle of Fire (Golden Ankh, if it makes any difference) and set sail for Britain
[07:40:16] <Copernica> when i get to the docks in Britain, i align the ship and double-click the sails so that i can get off
[07:40:27] <Copernica> however, the games crashes immediately following the double-click
[07:42:04] <Kirben> Are you using windows version ?
[07:42:28] <Copernica> yes
[07:42:59] <Kirben> ok see if bug still shows up in latest snapshot, which can be found at http://exult.on.openave.net/
[07:43:30] <Kirben> If the bug still occurs, make sure you report it at http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=2335
[07:43:46] <Copernica> ok
[07:48:20] <Copernica> yah, it crashed
[07:51:51] <Kirben> A few memory bugs were just fixed relating to ships, I'm just compiling new snapshot right now.
[07:55:17] <Copernica> hrm, this is an interesting item about the compile crashing on irix 6.2
[07:55:35] <Copernica> i just got an o2 including ido and i think i'll try the mipspro compiler on the exult source
[07:58:32] <Kirben> sounds like it just needs a kludge like mingw
[07:59:44] <Copernica> heh, i'm afraid my current knowledge of c/c++ is very minimal.
[07:59:46] <Kirben> irix 6.2 might be using slightly different snprintf define so just need to redefine it
[08:00:11] <Copernica> well, i've got 6.5 on mine, so i'll give it a whirl
[08:00:36] <Kirben> The new snapshot is online
[08:00:58] <Copernica> yes, i just grabbed it
[08:04:26] <Copernica> that seems to have fixed it
[08:05:28] <Copernica> by the way, i've noticed that when you open up an inventory/vitals screen or a chest/bag/barrel/whatever, you get "daylight", regardless of the ambient light.
[08:05:31] <Copernica> is this intentional?
[08:06:09] <Copernica> iirc, the original had inventory/vitals/chests/whatever open in the same "light setting" as the environment.
[08:22:31] <Copernica> well, anyhow, i need some sleep. later.
[08:29:10] <Kirben> I think that light issue would be a bug, although maybe a gond one.
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[11:05:07] <wjp> hi
[11:06:45] <matt0> wjp!
[11:06:57] <matt0> it must be what... 13:00 there?
[11:07:06] <wjp> yup
[11:08:28] * matt0 yawns
[11:08:43] <wjp> what are you doing up at this hour? :-)
[11:08:54] <matt0> looking for Germans
[11:09:05] <matt0> (trolling for Germans actually)
[11:09:07] <matt0> hehe j/k
[11:09:11] <wjp> ach so :-)
[11:09:37] <matt0> I've decided to start speaking German on a daily basis
[11:09:53] <matt0> disclaimer: but I could change my mind at any time :)
[11:09:59] <wjp> hehe :-)
[11:10:38] <matt0> I might not be able to take getting laughed out for speaking poor German hehe
[11:11:22] <matt0> err laughed at
[11:14:07] <wjp> I've been fighting with an ISA network card the last couple of hours
[11:14:21] <matt0> doh!
[11:14:26] <matt0> I remember those days
[11:14:31] <wjp> isa pnp does _not_ work the way it should :-)
[11:14:45] <wjp> cat /proc/isapnp
[11:14:46] <matt0> you either had to set jumpers or else boot a DOS disk that set some the configuration inside some kind of non-volatile ram
[11:14:53] <wjp> blah blah... port 0x2c0.. blah blah...
[11:15:02] <wjp> insmod ne io=0x2c0
[11:15:08] <matt0> ne? ewwwww
[11:15:09] <wjp> no card found at 0x2c0
[11:15:15] <wjp> *grmbl*
[11:15:20] <matt0> yeah.. I had a few realtek's (ne) that were so old that they were not PNP
[11:15:23] <wjp> well, ne2k compatible
[11:15:37] <wjp> I had to disable the pnp on this one to get it to work
[11:16:18] <matt0> so one must ask the question .. why?
[11:16:21] <matt0> hehe
[11:16:34] <wjp> I needed an extra card for my ADSL modem
[11:16:44] <wjp> and I found this one lying around
[11:16:51] <matt0> at the computer store they were selling these $20 10/100 NIC's ... I bought a few of them and they worked fine :)
[11:16:57] <matt0> adsl?
[11:17:09] <wjp> yeah, I was thinking of getting a new one too
[11:17:18] <matt0> no more slow internet for wjp?
[11:17:29] <wjp> well, as soon as I get a cable that's long enough...
[11:17:53] <wjp> what's the point of those 2meter cables they include??
[11:18:06] <matt0> yellow?
[11:18:11] <matt0> yellow cable?
[11:18:21] <wjp> who would put their PC within 2 meters of the place the cable enters the building...
[11:18:35] <wjp> plain cat 5 UTP, actually
[11:18:58] <matt0> well I really don't know
[11:19:03] <matt0> I got a short cable with my DSL modem also
[11:24:29] <wjp> "Ask Slashdot: Can Cable Really Be Slower Than 56K?" <-- oh, yes... easily...
[11:25:35] <matt0> wjp: that's pretty pathetic
[11:25:44] <wjp> my current ISP is cable...
[11:25:49] <matt0> I can't imagine anything slower than 56k except maybe 28.8k =)
[11:26:07] <wjp> and it is generally about 4 Kb/s...
[11:26:19] * matt0 wrinkles his nose
[11:37:03] <wjp> time to get that cable... bbl
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[12:06:45] <TonyHoyt> Hello people.
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[12:10:08] <sty_work> ave
[12:10:23] <TonyHoyt> Hi.
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[12:45:22] <wjp> hi Tony
[12:45:37] <TonyHoyt> hi wjp.
[12:45:51] <TonyHoyt> What's up with you guys? makeing some nice progress on the emulator I must admit.
[12:46:16] <wjp> yeah, Exult is doing pretty good
[12:46:24] <wjp> I'm currently installing my ADSL connection...
[12:46:28] <TonyHoyt> Nice nice...
[12:46:36] <wjp> got 15 meters of cable running through the hallway here ;-)
[12:46:46] <TonyHoyt> ya, you guys are doing great. Although it sounds like sound is still a thorn in the side.
[12:46:50] <wjp> (not feeling like properly doing the cable until it works :-) )
[12:46:51] <TonyHoyt> Jeeeze!
[12:47:19] <TonyHoyt> Are you wireing your house up for a personal network or just tryign to get a line do your modem?
[12:47:29] <wjp> getting a line to the modem
[12:47:35] <TonyHoyt> Jeeeze.
[12:47:45] <wjp> the computers are already interconnected
[12:47:50] <TonyHoyt> My brother just got his cable modem and he's haveing trouble trying to wire up his house.
[12:48:10] <TonyHoyt> But his problem is just trying to crimp his own dam cable.
[12:48:11] <wjp> yeah, cables are really annoying if the house isn't built for them
[12:48:41] <wjp> anyway, I think windows probably finished rebooting downstairs...
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[12:48:44] <TonyHoyt> Well he (and myself) have never crimped 100-based T cable before.
[12:48:52] * TonyHoyt nods
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[12:55:05] <wjp> there. that was the windows part of the setup
[12:55:24] <wjp> what's crimping, btw?
[12:56:01] <TonyHoyt> When you make your own ends of a network cable.
[12:56:07] <wjp> ah, that
[12:56:15] <TonyHoyt> You 'crimp' the ends on to the cable.
[12:56:16] <wjp> I hope I can avoid that...
[12:56:43] <TonyHoyt> My brother got something like 250 feet of line from his old job and so he's trying to figure it out by himself.
[12:56:51] <wjp> the connectors on this cable are pretty small, luckily
[12:56:54] * wjp nods
[12:57:01] <TonyHoyt> Good luck with it.
[12:57:09] <wjp> thanks :-)
[12:57:23] <wjp> now, let's see if this modem likes Linux...
[12:57:53] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm. LInux.. Nice OS but a pain in the ars at times...
[12:58:39] <wjp> well, it's kind of superior to windows in the networking department...
[12:59:27] <TonyHoyt> True true.
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[13:00:58] <wjp> hi Max
[13:01:01] <wjp> how did the exam go?
[13:01:11] <Fingolfin> hiya
[13:01:21] <Fingolfin> good and bad ;)
[13:01:31] <Fingolfin> first off, it was super easy this time, and we even had plenty of time! seems they tried to do better this time and over compensated ;)
[13:01:31] <TonyHoyt> hi Fing.
[13:01:35] <Fingolfin> 5 problems in total
[13:01:44] <Fingolfin> hi tony
[13:01:55] <Fingolfin> we had 2 hours time; I solved 1-4 in 1 hour, all are fine AFAICT
[13:02:34] <Fingolfin> now I started 5. we had to show that a function series converges. fine. I did it using a method we had practeised shortly before (basically majorant in disgusise), which worked but was a bit longish
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[13:02:43] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[13:02:44] <wjp> hi Ryan
[13:02:51] <wjp> quickly filling up in here :-)
[13:02:54] <Colourless> hi
[13:02:55] <Fingolfin> then I was supposed (for b) to show that the function series is differentiable
[13:03:27] <Fingolfin> I did a horrible mess, also trying to do this majorant like thing, finally giving up, as it grew too a huge monster term, which clearly converges, but all the details got messy
[13:03:45] <Fingolfin> afterwards, we discussed, and I found out how I could have solved a) and b) in 5 lines each.......
[13:03:55] <Fingolfin> you know, there is thing called *root test* ! aaargrgrgrhrhrhrhrh
[13:04:00] * Fingolfin bangs his head against a wall
[13:04:10] <Fingolfin> it was so damn stupid fricking easy to it !!!!
[13:04:18] <wjp> oh, that thing with the n-th power root of something
[13:04:21] <Fingolfin> and I had to do it in an extra hyper mega compliated way
[13:04:22] <Fingolfin> yeah
[13:04:30] <wjp> happens to me a lot too :-)
[13:04:47] <Fingolfin> the series was sum(x^n * exp (-n^2*x), n = 1...infty)
[13:05:11] <Fingolfin> you can factor the termas a_n(x) = ( x/exp(n*x) ^n
[13:05:27] <Fingolfin> then apply nth root -> x/exp(n*x) which clearly converges to 0 -> finish
[13:05:29] * wjp nods
[13:05:41] <wjp> don't you think 5 lines is a bit much ;-)
[13:06:06] <Fingolfin> for the derivative, you get the same, only that you also have factor (n/x + n^2) in front - then you apply nth root to that, and it converges, too, multiplied with something converging to 0 -> 0, too
[13:06:16] <Fingolfin> wjp: yeah, I meant including nice comments ;)
[13:06:25] <Fingolfin> damn, I wrote 1 page each!!!
[13:06:26] <Fingolfin> argh
[13:06:44] <Fingolfin> and over complicated. that is, for the first it is not the bad, but for the differentiat <shudder>
[13:06:46] <Fingolfin> argghghg
[13:06:50] <Fingolfin> I am soooo stupid!!!
[13:07:01] <Fingolfin> I really mean it. how could I overlook the most simple thing?
[13:07:23] <wjp> probably because you hardly ever use that root-test...
[13:07:29] <Fingolfin> and I should now root test etc., I once wrote a 15 pages paper about root/ratio/majorant/minorant/etc. criteria in high-school
[13:07:31] <Fingolfin> nah
[13:07:40] <Fingolfin> you use it a lot for power series, which we did this semester too
[13:07:41] <Fingolfin> in fact
[13:07:48] <Fingolfin> if you look closely, it *is* a power series
[13:07:52] <Fingolfin> garh
[13:07:57] * Fingolfin bangs his head a bit more
[13:07:59] <Fingolfin> oh well
[13:08:25] <Fingolfin> it will be either a 2 or maybe still a 1, depending on how good ppl were on avarage ;) so I shouldn't complain...
[13:08:27] <Fingolfin> but still...
[13:08:29] <Fingolfin> gosh
[13:08:34] <Fingolfin> ok, I complained enough for now ;)
[13:08:46] <wjp> can I start complaining now? ;-)
[13:08:52] <Fingolfin> sure! shoot
[13:09:02] * wjp tries to think of something...
[13:09:12] <Fingolfin> I read in recent mails on the ML that there is an island patch or something somewhere!??
[13:09:13] <wjp> oh, right! ISA network cards!
[13:09:25] <wjp> Fingolfin: yeah, that was kind of a surprise to me too
[13:09:46] <Fingolfin> where is it how to get it when who why with what tools
[13:09:54] <wjp> exactly :-)
[13:09:59] <Fingolfin> and anyway, ISA network cards can be evil, but sound cards are worse
[13:10:27] <wjp> yeah, sound cards use more resources
[13:10:51] <Colourless> fingolfin: you want to know about the island?
[13:11:00] <wjp> me too!
[13:11:04] <Fingolfin> ryan: is there something real?!? the mail sounded like that
[13:11:04] <wjp> :-)
[13:11:08] <Fingolfin> I know about the .txt of course
[13:11:16] <Colourless> check out the file releases page on sourceforge
[13:11:59] <TonyHoyt> The patch idea sounds cool. So they finaly got patched npc's and scripts available? I got to see this island... is it for BG only though hmm?
[13:13:18] <Fingolfin> anyway, I will check it out later. I will play some diablo 2 now to vent my frustration ;)
[13:13:49] <wjp> Fingolfin: I _might_ show up a little later, if I can get ADSL to work...
[13:14:01] <Fingolfin> heheh
[13:14:14] <Fingolfin> which clvl are you now? 41 or even better now?
[13:14:18] <wjp> 41 I think
[13:14:23] <wjp> didn't play last night
[13:14:27] <Fingolfin> ok
[13:14:31] <wjp> (I instead fixed the BeOS version!)
[13:14:33] <Fingolfin> so I can try to catch up a bit now ;)
[13:14:35] <Fingolfin> hehe
[13:14:36] <Fingolfin> good
[13:14:40] <Fingolfin> and I learned yesterday
[13:14:59] <TonyHoyt> Bah Diablo.
[13:15:02] <TonyHoyt> Angband!
[13:15:03] <wjp> when do you have your last exam?
[13:15:17] <Fingolfin> that was my last exam!
[13:15:27] <Fingolfin> and I get the results tomorrow afternoon I hope
[13:15:32] <Fingolfin> ok, I passed for sure ;)
[13:17:24] <Fingolfin> now I have some other work to do, so: real work; working over the weekend to paint etc. some rooms (not mine); working on a student magazin (30 pages or so in TeX), doing course for my tutoring next semester; etc.; oh yeah and some parties ;) and of course exult and my other projects
[13:18:05] <wjp> :-)
[13:22:59] <wjp> hmm, pptp doesn't seem to do anything
[13:24:06] <wjp> hmm, I seem to be blocking my ADSL modem in my firewall :-)
[13:24:30] <TonyHoyt> Eh? Your firewall blocking all inbound traphic?
[13:24:35] <Colourless> jeffs choice of chunks on Sourceforge islands are pretty bad... they don't match up
[13:24:36] <TonyHoyt> What are you using for firewall exactly?
[13:24:46] <wjp> ipchains
[13:24:51] <TonyHoyt> Ahh.
[13:25:04] * TonyHoyt likes out of the box hardware for his firewall :-)
[13:25:10] <wjp> my firewall blocks traffic from 'personal' IP blocks, including the 10.x.y.z range
[13:25:20] <wjp> and my modem happens to use an IP from that range :-)
[13:25:37] <TonyHoyt> I use the 192.168.x.x range.
[13:26:09] <wjp> ok, it seems to be connected now
[13:28:27] * Copernica awakes
[13:28:48] <TonyHoyt> Hello.
[13:28:59] * TonyHoyt has a minor brainstorm of a silly idea for a mmorpg.
[13:30:34] <Copernica> hrm, so, i've been reading rcgud, and i've heard that there is "extra" plot in the si usecode that was never implemented in the game. are you guys considering doing anything with that (e.g. the second set of big brass doors in skullcrusher, etc.)?
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[13:30:54] <Colourless> we may do something
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[13:31:29] <TonyHoyt> Sounds like it's incomplete usecode though. So trying to hack it to life may result in more confusion and bugs. Plus, is it good to alter the masters work? *g*
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[13:31:45] <Copernica> TonyHoyt: have you played ascension yet? :P
[13:31:47] <TonyHoyt> wb wjp.
[13:31:52] <wjp> thx
[13:32:02] <Copernica> i think we can all agree that the fan patch makes a world of difference.
[13:32:09] <wjp> I hope that that timeout was unrelated to what I'm doing at the moment :-)
[13:32:21] <TonyHoyt> There's another thing. Why do people hack u9 to think they can do a better job. It's like the ultimate insult to the developers of the game.
[13:33:56] <Copernica> maybe if the game didn't suck it wouldn't be necessary.
[13:34:00] <TonyHoyt> The fan patch is just a collection of 'fans ideas of how the game should have been" even if it contains text from the 'original script' it's not u9. it's a fan base interpretation of what they think u9 should have been.
[13:34:03] <wjp> hmm, I think I'm going to have to disconnect my current internet connection for a while
[13:34:07] <wjp> bbl, I hope ;-)
[13:34:11] <TonyHoyt> Have fun wjp. seeyas.
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[13:35:09] <TonyHoyt> The fan patch wasn't neccessary to begin with. Like it or not. that was u9. It's like re-writing the ending to a huge series of books. Just because you don't like the ending, doesn't mean you have to change it.
[13:36:27] <TonyHoyt> Plus I have no doubts that the last 3 ultima games (7, 8, and 9. Not includeing 7p2 since that was more for fun) where developed only because the fan based demanded it. It was clear since u7 that RG wanted to get away from ultima.
[13:36:28] * Copernica shrugs
[13:36:47] <Copernica> imho, u9 was weak
[13:37:08] <Copernica> as a game, it was ok. as an ultima, it sucked.
[13:38:01] <TonyHoyt> I think people hiped up ultima far too much. But then again, few things look good after a master piece of craftsman ship is made. All hail Ultima 5.
[13:38:06] <Copernica> too linear, no party system, the monsters were too easy, money wasn't really a problem (you didn't have to eat)
[13:38:23] <Copernica> etc
[13:38:26] <Copernica> i could go on and on
[13:38:42] <TonyHoyt> Too linear isn't a problem for me most of the time.
[13:38:55] <TonyHoyt> No Party system does not make or break a game. It's not neccessary.. Just a gift.
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[13:39:08] <TonyHoyt> Monsters... where twinked... Occasionaly difficult, occasionaly hard.
[13:39:14] <Dominus> wow, this is crowded here
[13:39:18] <Dominus> hi
[13:39:19] <Colourless> non linear story is almost impossible really.
[13:39:22] <TonyHoyt> And money always becaomes a non issue in any game.
[13:39:24] <Copernica> hah, which monsters would you consider "hard"?
[13:39:40] <sty_work> vas-coolio :D
[13:39:58] <TonyHoyt> Early on wolves where difficult, specialy around New Mangicia(sp)
[13:40:24] * Copernica shrugs
[13:40:27] <Colourless> i never had a problem with them
[13:40:34] <TonyHoyt> non linear is 'fine' but for the most part, it's easier to tell a well crafted story through a semi if not full linear story then not.
[13:40:35] <Copernica> once you had the BR sword (about halfway through) it was a cakewalk.
[13:41:07] <TonyHoyt> It had it's moments.. Phase spiders where not something to joke about.
[13:41:09] <Colourless> heh, depends on if you did Trinsic first
[13:41:18] <Copernica> i felt that the whole concept of the guardian manipulating lb's dreams was not well developed.
[13:41:21] <TonyHoyt> And the last patch made monsters rather deadly when they could properly trip you.
[13:41:27] <Dominus> my view on this: u9 was nice and quite addictive at first but seen in the big picture of the Ultima storyline it was just very weak and disappointing. The fan patch makes the game at least a little more Ultima
[13:42:16] <TonyHoyt> I dissagree with the Fan Patch though. It's like changeing the ending of a story because 'I don't like the way the author put it." It's his story, not yours. Your a spectator to it at best.
[13:42:31] <Dominus> I read that in the logs :-)
[13:43:02] <Dominus> but the story itself was so twisted and made much more sense with the patch
[13:43:23] <TonyHoyt> Ya because players made it make sence.
[13:43:25] <Dominus> much more enjoyable and as far as that goes Iīm okay with it
[13:43:31] <TonyHoyt> They focused on diffrent things then the developers did.
[13:43:43] <Dominus> I see it like a movie with a directors cut
[13:43:44] <Copernica> i think what happened with the ultima community was this: we waited while ascension was delayed and further delayed, and when it arrived it wasn't really up to the standard of, say, SI or u7, so we tried to fix t.
[13:43:47] <Copernica> s/t/it/
[13:43:56] <Dominus> the game was stripped off its good parts and
[13:44:11] <TonyHoyt> The bags thing is another one. The game tried to limit players containers but the players hacked the game to be able to have ton's of bags and unlimited equipment.
[13:44:19] <Dominus> and the directors cut / fan patch made it much more enjoyable
[13:44:38] <Copernica> well, there were ways around the bag thing, e.g. getting recaptured with all slots filled, etc.
[13:44:44] <Dominus> right
[13:44:48] <TonyHoyt> It's a Fan Patch.. And like Fan Fiction. It was just players thinking they could do a better job.
[13:44:57] <TonyHoyt> They Fixed that in the last patch.
[13:45:16] <Dominus> well, most of the players do think itīs a better job
[13:45:23] <TonyHoyt> I never did that myself... But I did find hte jail in general far far too difficult for my likeing.
[13:45:24] <Copernica> TonyHoyt: i would say that they didn't just think they could do a better job, they did a better job.
[13:45:49] <Dominus> there were quite a few other ways to get more bags btw
[13:45:55] <Copernica> i didn't like hythloth. that was tough, even unpatched, because everything was so mazelike and dark
[13:46:05] <Dominus> well, whatever
[13:46:10] <Dominus> Colourless:
[13:46:12] <TonyHoyt> That's there opinion. I will always treat the masters work as the original.
[13:46:12] <Copernica> unless you cranked up your gamma :P
[13:46:36] <Copernica> i'm guilty of that a few times in both u9 and thief.
[13:46:36] <TonyHoyt> Hythloth was one of my favorate dungeons.
[13:46:42] <Colourless> dom: yes?
[13:46:48] <Copernica> ambrosia was pretty neat.
[13:46:57] <TonyHoyt> Ambrosia was kind of dull..
[13:47:06] <TonyHoyt> Yew was neat.
[13:47:15] <Dominus> Colourless: regarding conv.h, if I change the value from the lines to ones I Think I figured out to be the right ones doe s this break BG or not?
[13:47:24] <Colourless> dom: it doesn't
[13:47:30] <Copernica> the skyrides in yew were a pain, i thought.
[13:47:37] <Copernica> fun for a while, but got irritating
[13:47:48] <TonyHoyt> But also small. Trinsic was kind of ugly. Minoc just didn't exist. Britian was nice. Bucs Den was cool.
[13:48:12] <Copernica> on the contrary, i felt britain was too small, as were most of the towns.
[13:48:14] <Dominus> Colourl: because my findling with the sounds from Joseph already got me quite some exact sfx numbers
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[13:48:57] <TonyHoyt> Hi Nadir.
[13:48:57] <Nadir> hi
[13:49:12] <Dominus> Colourless: or what are the chances of getting the right numbers via that program you used?
[13:49:16] <Dominus> Hi Nadir
[13:49:26] <Colourless> dom: you can change conv.h to be anything you want. It used to be used to play midi sfx in BG, but I removed the MIDI Sfx support.
[13:49:28] <TonyHoyt> the game world in the end, was far too small.
[13:49:44] <Colourless> dom: i'm probably not going to attempt to fix it, i've lost the source
[13:49:49] <Dominus> :-)
[13:49:50] <TonyHoyt> But I think they couldn't streach it any any further... Although it looked absolutly beautifull.
[13:49:55] <Colourless> hi nadir
[13:50:24] <Dominus> ok, colourless, then thatīs what Iīll do
[13:51:11] <Copernica> TonyHoyt: also, i felt that the various maneuvers you learned for fighting were somewhat useless.
[13:51:52] <Copernica> the basic hack/slash/whatever was always quickest and, once you had a relatively powerful weapon (staff of the dead, BR sword), it didn't matter anyhow.
[13:52:15] <Colourless> spells were the stuff
[13:52:17] <TonyHoyt> It was a step in a good direction. It just never got further then it should have. in the end, I should have had something like a dozzen movies with various combos related to things like equipment and style.
[13:52:34] <TonyHoyt> Spells did look very cool.
[13:52:40] <Colourless> walk into the middle of britan and cast meteor storm and watch your mana got down, real fast
[13:52:44] <TonyHoyt> Although the whole wind, earth, fire, water bit was silly.
[13:54:42] <Copernica> i was rather irritated that the only great heal scroll to be found in the entire game was in, oh, what dungeon was that, the one with the wyrmguard mariah...
[13:55:01] <Colourless> deceit
[13:55:23] <TonyHoyt> Who casted heal when you had potions?
[13:55:33] <TonyHoyt> I quafed my way through a lot of the dungeons.
[13:56:04] <Copernica> i would've liked an unlock magic spell
[13:56:07] <Copernica> those are always neat
[13:56:29] <TonyHoyt> Hmm Well just another place to expend mana...
[13:56:42] <Copernica> besides, i'd rather cast heal than take up inventory space with potions
[13:56:54] <TonyHoyt> i think I used both...
[13:57:27] <Copernica> you couldn't really have fun with u9, i think
[13:57:28] <TonyHoyt> There really wasn't much to carry around most of the time.
[13:57:31] <Colourless> it would depend on how full my inventory was. By the end of the game you collect so many quest items
[13:57:37] * TonyHoyt shrugs
[13:57:54] <TonyHoyt> Collect... and then dump in your private room in the castle.
[13:57:57] <Nadir> Colourless: what usecode by Jeff are you referring to in the mails ?
[13:58:01] <TonyHoyt> Oh well details details.
[13:58:09] <Copernica> that's what i did
[13:58:20] <Copernica> even so, i found my inventory filling up with useless stuff all the time
[13:58:49] <Colourless> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=44022
[14:00:35] <Copernica> well, going to play some more u7, bbl
[14:00:53] <Nadir> where did Jeff announce it ?
[14:01:39] <Copernica> er, actually, i have a question regarding the lighting
[14:02:09] <TonyHoyt> I still wouldn't mind stealing the UO artwork for my own game :-) Although not the models and skins. Yech.
[14:02:11] <Copernica> why is it that, regardless of the ambient/environmental light, whenever you open a pack/chest/body/inventory screen, you get daylight?
[14:02:55] <TonyHoyt> U9 artwork I mean.
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[14:07:51] <wjp> woohoo!
[14:07:58] <wjp> it works!
[14:08:11] <TonyHoyt> hi wjp.
[14:08:31] <Colourless> wb
[14:08:32] <wjp> sheesh, that was quite a hassle...
[14:09:20] <wjp> but now I'm downloading the daily snapshot at 51 Kb/s!
[14:09:56] * Colourless is envious
[14:10:21] <wjp> sorry :-)
[14:10:24] <wjp> I'll stop bragging :-)
[14:10:59] <wjp> time for some R&R... I'll go keep Max company
[14:11:02] <wjp> see you later
[14:11:09] <Colourless> cya
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[14:16:26] <Dominus> colourless: this is quite fun :-) the entries in conv.h are either changed one from to another (7 should be 47 and 47 should be 7) or the correct # is the one in the NEXT line
[14:17:04] <Colourless> heh
[14:17:16] <TonyHoyt> That's ood.
[14:17:24] <Dominus> it is
[14:17:48] <Dominus> if not for Josephs waves I wouldnīt know the difference
[14:18:36] <TonyHoyt> Interesting.
[14:18:43] <TonyHoyt> COCould it be he has his waves off?
[14:18:56] <Colourless> nope
[14:19:05] <Colourless> his waves are good
[14:20:46] <Dominus> if his waves werenīt that could have explained them being off by one but not those completely different ones
[14:22:41] <TonyHoyt> Well sounds like the juggled things around a little bit for si.
[14:23:11] <Colourless> the numbers are different for both games
[14:23:13] <Dominus> nah, he didnīt
[14:23:26] <Dominus> thatīs why I have alook now at conv.h
[14:24:17] <Dominus> the sfx for si were taken from this table and this table is wrong, thatīs why some of the sfx in Exult-SI sound wrong
[14:30:12] <Colourless> Dom: you should only bother fixing up the sounds that Jeff hard coded in to the gam
[14:30:33] <Colourless> at least, do those ones first
[14:31:57] <Dominus> I have a pretty complete table allready, I only miss about 15 sounds and those are si specific so it should be quite complete allready, when Iīm done :-)
[14:33:24] * TonyHoyt nods
[14:33:26] <TonyHoyt> Cool cool.
[14:33:56] <TonyHoyt> Is the overlaping of the serpent done well, durring mind talk moments? Also the subtitles and wave's for that?
[14:34:28] <Colourless> th: no idea.
[14:34:49] <Colourless> i know the big arcadion overlay doesn't work
[14:36:32] <TonyHoyt> The what?
[14:38:05] <Colourless> you release arcadion from the black sword in si and a pic of him covers the screen. Exult isn't doing the properly
[14:40:11] <TonyHoyt> Oooh ya, that deamon guy.
[14:40:25] <TonyHoyt> That sword was cool...
[14:41:06] <TonyHoyt> It's funny people argue about how U9 was so linier and bad.. and u7 was quite liner and u7p2 was even more so! more so then u9.
[14:41:42] <Colourless> i take it you can't spell linear? ;-)
[14:41:46] <Dominus> but you had more to do in between and it wasnīt quite so set
[14:41:53] <TonyHoyt> ya that too.
[14:42:03] <TonyHoyt> Linear... ya.. linear.
[14:42:43] <TonyHoyt> u7 was l-i-n-e-a-r... *Bonks himself* You had to visit the towns in order. There was no way around it.
[14:42:56] <Dominus> no you didnīt have to
[14:43:45] <Dominus> Some you could skip alltogether (like Paws)
[14:43:59] <TonyHoyt> Ookay.
[14:44:14] <Dominus> well to start you should go from trinsic to BG but then you were left on your own
[14:44:21] <Dominus> SI is quite different
[14:44:24] <Dominus> granted
[14:44:39] <Colourless> SI was very linear, it's to some extent a Warren Spector trait. He prefers a more complex linear story to a simpler non linear story
[14:44:58] <TonyHoyt> People don't think much about it though because they remember both u7's being cool. In general. They enjoyed them... no matter there own shortcomings.
[14:45:13] <Dominus> but thatīs the point "complex" in regard to U9 "simple"
[14:45:27] <Dominus> and both linear
[14:45:44] <Dominus> but enough of this from me on the U9 topic
[14:49:38] <TonyHoyt> Just my observation.
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[14:56:42] <Nadir> TonyHoyt: u7 was nothing but linear. You could do most things in whatever order you wanted. Plus it had tons of sidequests. SI, instead was much more linear.
[14:57:54] <TonyHoyt> Then again.. *To throw in a monkey wrench* Who said linear was bad... :-/ But I never found u7 as entertaining as u7p2.
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[15:42:04] <Colourless> all quiet here
[15:42:20] <Copernica> for the moment
[15:42:23] <TonyHoyt> got to go...
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[15:42:45] <Dominus> see thatīs what you did
[15:42:56] <Colourless> hah!
[16:31:38] <Dominus> bbl
[16:31:42] <Dominus> ciao
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[16:41:28] <Deimoss> Hello
[16:41:33] <Colourless> hi
[16:42:24] <Deimoss> Nobody of the ultima7 exult coders here now?
[16:42:44] <Colourless> i'm one of them
[16:43:12] <Deimoss> I love the game
[16:43:27] <Deimoss> so it is very nice that you are doing it work nowadays
[16:43:35] <Deimoss> very very nice :)
[16:43:42] <Colourless> thanks
[16:44:39] <Deimoss> well i am here to tell one bug if you dont already know it
[16:45:14] <Deimoss> when you put a box or a bag inside of other of that same kind it's disappear...
[16:45:38] <Deimoss> you can also put the same box inside it self and it disappear
[16:45:38] <Deimoss> s
[16:45:41] <Colourless> hmm.
[16:45:49] <Deimoss> it is a bit annoying :)
[16:46:02] <Deimoss> i think that works with every object
[16:46:24] <Deimoss> that has a ability to contact some thing inside it
[16:46:41] <Colourless> i beleive it's a known problem
[16:46:48] <Deimoss> well that's good
[16:47:28] <Deimoss> but i had the version 0.40 and there was that bug and now i downloaded the 0.93 and it is still there so i thought to advice you about it
[16:47:35] <Deimoss> because it is a big bug
[16:51:29] <Deimoss> By the way is there a some limit how much a person can carry and if there is not why?
[16:51:43] <Colourless> there is a limit
[16:52:23] <Deimoss> it doesnt show in numbers, why?
[16:52:33] <Colourless> it should
[16:52:41] <Deimoss> in the old ultima is was stones
[16:52:45] <Deimoss> new it is empty
[16:52:51] <Colourless> yeah, exult should show it too
[16:53:00] <Deimoss> well it doesnt...
[16:53:05] <Deimoss> i should look it mroe
[16:53:07] <Deimoss> anyway
[16:53:51] <Deimoss> have you played your self ultima7 throught?
[16:53:58] <Colourless> yeah
[16:54:16] <Deimoss> and serpent?
[16:54:20] <Colourless> yeah
[16:54:27] <Deimoss> whits is better
[16:54:31] <Deimoss> which?
[16:54:37] <Colourless> I prefer Serpent Isle
[16:55:17] <Deimoss> I dont know... i maybe prefer black isle because you can do everything what you want without going forward in the story
[16:55:27] <Deimoss> and thats makes ultima7 a very good game
[16:55:34] <Deimoss> better than any other :)
[16:59:22] <Deimoss> If you have some work to do say it to me so i dont talk to you more... it now only seems that you would better dont to talk with me about nothing
[16:59:53] <Colourless> i can't really talk now ;-)
[17:00:27] <Deimoss> well some other time then... i would really like to talk with someone of those games...
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[17:04:47] <TonyHoyt> Hello again.
[17:04:53] <TonyHoyt> So what's new?
[17:05:20] <Colourless> nothing
[17:05:25] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt are you a coder or some one of exult project?
[17:08:12] <TonyHoyt> na. Nope.. Just a guy who checks in every now and then to see what's up.
[17:08:46] <TonyHoyt> I do program as my profession but I doubt I have anything that usefull to the project. Plus I'm not that fast. I tend to be lazy and just want to play games. :-) not code them.
[17:10:09] <Deimoss> well that's same with me.. i come to this channel only to report bugs and talk about the game but seems that there is no time for that :(
[17:10:24] <TonyHoyt> Work at the same time as your around here?
[17:10:32] <Deimoss> well do you have time to talk?
[17:10:34] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt
[17:10:39] <TonyHoyt> I love to talk about Exult or ultima in general.
[17:10:52] <TonyHoyt> I'm here to chat. Got somet ime but what is the question.
[17:11:10] <TonyHoyt> We could talk about some of the more heated topics, such as Ultima 7 Online./
[17:12:52] <Deimoss> well wait a bit
[17:13:21] <Deimoss> i dont know anything about ultima7 online, what is it?
[17:13:45] <TonyHoyt> It doesn't exist... but a lot of people kind of want it to.
[17:14:51] <TonyHoyt> okay here's the idea. A lot of people like the Ultima World. And ultima 7 is one of the most attractive games of it's time.
[17:15:03] <Deimoss> That's right
[17:15:06] <Deimoss> i love the game
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[17:15:28] <TonyHoyt> Today it's rather outdated and kind of ugly but a lot of people like it. now the latest big thing is online gameing. basicly mmorpg or everquest like games.
[17:15:49] <TonyHoyt> SO take 1 + 1 and you get a really large value for 1... Or in other words. Ultima 7 Online.
[17:16:12] <Deimoss> Well are some one already doing it?
[17:16:28] <TonyHoyt> now personaly, If I was going to make my own ultima 7 online game, I would love to use Exult but redesign a lot of things and basicly only keep the artwork.
[17:16:55] <Nystul> Im trying to program an Ultima-themed MUSH
[17:17:12] <Deimoss> Mush?
[17:17:14] <TonyHoyt> Well There was "Blackrock" Which was a ultima 7 online game written in Delphi some months back. but that looks like it has been abandoned.
[17:17:29] <Deimoss> ok
[17:17:53] <TonyHoyt> Mushes are basicly text online games but devoted to chat mainly. With a light set of rules.
[17:18:08] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt i am better talk company if we talk of thinks that dont never change like the original ulitima7
[17:18:28] <Nystul> True. My MUCH is underdeveloped, and probably never going public
[17:18:59] <TonyHoyt> Now, Exult does seem to have some Client/server based codeing to it, but this only recently introduced and is only for Exult Studio, the u7 editor.
[17:19:00] <Deimoss> because i dont have any information what to really say about does online games because i dont know anything about them :(
[17:19:20] <TonyHoyt> Aww Nystul. Well Hear me out, I have an idea.
[17:19:54] <TonyHoyt> have you ever played any online games before, Deimoss? not even quake perhaps or other fps? Or are you not much into games in general?
[17:20:45] <Deimoss> well i havent played rpg online games i mean.. . yes i play q2 and q3
[17:21:03] <Deimoss> but i dont have any information or opinion for now of online rpg games
[17:21:20] <Deimoss> i would love to play of course ultima online
[17:21:38] <Deimoss> but i think i would get addict to it so i dont better not to try :)
[17:21:44] <TonyHoyt> Hmm I would recommend at least getting a cheep copy of Ultima Online, and then playing on Player Run Shards. Basicly give it a shot to understand how the world of online games work because it's a bit diffrent.
[17:21:51] <Nystul> I never liked the idea of UO
[17:22:01] <TonyHoyt> UO does have a wierd feel to it that makes it strangely addictive.
[17:22:18] <Nystul> I never understood how the engine and basic gameplay work
[17:22:30] <Nystul> Like is it more similar to U8 or U7?
[17:22:37] <TonyHoyt> UO is nice. I've had my fun with it. I even help a player run shard by makeing scripts for it. Includeing ones for things like createing player races and classes. :-)
[17:22:37] <Deimoss> But TonyHoyt say now what did you like about ultima7
[17:22:58] <Deimoss> what is good and what is bad with it
[17:23:22] <Deimoss> i think for my self that it has the best story that any game has
[17:23:30] <Deimoss> terribly amount of text
[17:23:30] <TonyHoyt> Well I like ultima 7 only because it was the first to really go for the style of realism I like.. Nice size worlds to explore, lots of items and spells. Specialy Serpent Isle.. I loved that game more then Black Gate.
[17:23:48] <Nystul> When I first played U7, I was amazed at the size of the world
[17:23:51] <TonyHoyt> Then again, Ultima 5 is my favorate...
[17:23:53] <Deimoss> me too
[17:23:54] <Deimoss> :)
[17:23:58] <Nystul> U5 is amazing
[17:24:04] <TonyHoyt> U5 just rocks...
[17:24:11] <Nystul> Just for sheer roleplaying. Its hardcore stuff...
[17:24:13] <Deimoss> i havent never played any ultima thats is belov 7
[17:24:18] <Nystul> You should
[17:24:22] <Deimoss> i know
[17:24:31] <Deimoss> they only dont work in my computer
[17:24:35] <Deimoss> too rapid
[17:24:42] <Nystul> get a slowdown device
[17:24:42] <TonyHoyt> U5 should with slow_mo.
[17:24:48] <Deimoss> i know
[17:24:54] <Deimoss> i have that program
[17:25:01] <Deimoss> well maybe i try it some day
[17:25:07] <Nystul> Or an AppleII emulator..then you get music, too
[17:25:12] <TonyHoyt> Ultima 4 is neat with the latest graphics addition!
[17:25:19] <Deimoss> but ultima8 and ultima9 for my are ugly creations
[17:25:21] <Nystul> Bah
[17:25:26] <Nystul> I prefer the classic U4
[17:25:52] <Deimoss> What advance is from u4 to u5?
[17:25:54] <TonyHoyt> Aww u4 with the graphics patch is neat :-)
[17:26:07] <Nystul> The map is basically the same, but with better graphics
[17:26:12] <TonyHoyt> U5 took all the good parts from u4 and just made it a lot better.
[17:26:36] <Nystul> That game was so hard until I got LB's crown
[17:26:48] <Nystul> Then I could just kill reapers so easily
[17:26:51] <TonyHoyt> Bigger world, more npc's to talk to, more monsters, more quests, the first living world.. it's awsome.
[17:27:22] <TonyHoyt> npcs go to work, eat, sleep, meet... it's great.
[17:27:30] <Deimoss> What do you think of the new rpg games like Baldurs gate?
[17:27:36] <Nystul> Bah once more
[17:27:53] <Nystul> Actually, I dont like any RPGs but Ultima
[17:27:53] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm. Baldurs Gate is.. okay at best. Icewind Dale is Fun only as a hack and slash.
[17:28:08] <TonyHoyt> BG 2 I hear is really really good. Even from those who hated bg1.
[17:28:16] <Nystul> That 'Neverwinter Nights' looks cool, actually
[17:28:26] <TonyHoyt> Agreed.
[17:28:28] <Deimoss> Well i have both BG2 and Bg
[17:28:47] <Deimoss> I like them... even that they are anything compared to ultima7
[17:29:01] <Deimoss> Ultima7 is best because of the story and the reality
[17:29:03] <TonyHoyt> I never really loved Ultima 7...
[17:29:07] <Deimoss> and every little thing that it has
[17:29:13] <Deimoss> well i love
[17:29:15] <Deimoss> :)
[17:29:17] <TonyHoyt> u7p2... well that's a diffrent story.
[17:29:28] <Deimoss> well i dont see much difference in them
[17:29:36] <TonyHoyt> It just feeeels better.
[17:29:36] <Deimoss> i may be even like more u7p1
[17:29:46] <Nystul> Speaking of p2, how can I get Lucilla to sleep with me?
[17:29:48] <TonyHoyt> Ah well oh well.
[17:29:54] <TonyHoyt> latest patch I think fixes that.
[17:29:55] <Deimoss> because you can do everything your self without going on in the story
[17:30:11] <TonyHoyt> Download the latest tar ball and use that, Nystul.
[17:30:15] <Deimoss> Who was Lucilla?
[17:30:19] <Deimoss> in which town?
[17:30:31] <Nystul> What's a tar ball?
[17:30:32] <TonyHoyt> She's the Ice mistress in The mages town Moonshade?
[17:30:40] <Deimoss> The blue mistress?
[17:30:42] <TonyHoyt> Latest snapshot.
[17:30:44] <Nystul> No, she's the barmaid in Monitor
[17:30:49] <TonyHoyt> Oooooooooh.
[17:30:54] <TonyHoyt> I'm mixed up.
[17:30:57] <Deimoss> heh
[17:31:01] <TonyHoyt> Umm. ya well i think that's fixed too :-)
[17:31:03] <Deimoss> HEY!
[17:31:16] <TonyHoyt> Check the ChangeLog to make sure.
[17:31:39] <Deimoss> Do you know how to get to Cat island in serpent isle?
[17:31:46] <TonyHoyt> Teleport hack.
[17:31:48] <Nystul> F3 in cheat mode :)
[17:31:54] <Deimoss> i did get the game throught and didnt go there
[17:32:06] <Deimoss> yes i have been there with teleport cheat
[17:32:12] <TonyHoyt> You normaly don't go there. it's purely a cheat island.
[17:32:23] <Deimoss> but is there no a way to go there without chear?
[17:32:24] <Deimoss> cheat?
[17:32:27] <Deimoss> you sure?
[17:32:54] <Deimoss> anyway you can get out of there to the dreamworld
[17:32:59] <TonyHoyt> I heard there are some ways to do it.. but they all sounded odd. Like.. stack a bunch of crates between two trees and climb up them or something.
[17:33:01] <Deimoss> and i thought if it works both ways
[17:33:11] <Deimoss> hahah:)
[17:33:14] <Nystul> OK, I found where it says they fixed the bug...where can I download it?
[17:33:20] <Deimoss> well the game has odd things in it
[17:33:47] <TonyHoyt> I think there's some automatic snapshot place.... check the webpage for a link to he who makes the snapshots to build.
[17:34:05] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt did you know in the mage island of the teleport stump?
[17:34:15] <Deimoss> that is a odd thing but works
[17:34:20] <TonyHoyt> it was cool when they finaly finished BG without cheating for the first time :-)
[17:34:34] <TonyHoyt> I've heard about it.. Where does it take you?
[17:34:49] <TonyHoyt> It's near where the serpents stone is I think... Where the stockings came from.
[17:35:02] <Deimoss> To a little island
[17:35:07] <Deimoss> where is one box
[17:35:39] <Deimoss> but thats is not important
[17:35:47] <TonyHoyt> Oh wait.. is that to the place where you can walk on water and visit the place with all the naked women?
[17:36:01] <Deimoss> important is that you can walk in the water
[17:36:03] <Deimoss> to that place
[17:36:09] <Deimoss> naked womans yeah :)
[17:36:14] <TonyHoyt> That and the football field is very very odd...
[17:36:22] <Deimoss> yes
[17:36:23] <Nystul> Is that island on the TPort map?
[17:36:26] <TonyHoyt> The naked woman play ..'tag'...
[17:36:31] <Deimoss> yes
[17:36:44] <Deimoss> Who is the Grazy wizard?
[17:37:02] <TonyHoyt> Sooooo freaking strange.. And proves that the game was written by a bunch of men looking to make a male utopia.
[17:37:05] <Deimoss> which was the name?
[17:37:44] <Deimoss> anyway the island where is the naked womans is the same where the crazy wisard lives
[17:38:33] <TonyHoyt> Yup.
[17:38:33] <Deimoss> In those old games are many things that doesnt affect really playing but are nice little things to discover and that is what the new games doesnt have
[17:38:47] <TonyHoyt> Easter Eggs exist in almost all games.
[17:39:10] <TonyHoyt> Although lately developers don't have as much time to devote to makeing them anymore.
[17:39:18] <TonyHoyt> Games are late though as it is now.
[17:39:31] <Deimoss> And it makes me fell like the game makers really love making does games
[17:39:59] <Deimoss> nowadays games look more and more cool but there is no real story or idea
[17:40:07] <Deimoss> BG2 is a good advance
[17:40:22] <Deimoss> but still it is too much only product
[17:40:25] <Deimoss> and not a real game
[17:40:28] <TonyHoyt> I dont' know, there are still pleanty of good games out there. My most recently favorate is Summoner.
[17:40:42] <Deimoss> I havent played
[17:40:48] <Deimoss> what kind of game?
[17:41:05] <TonyHoyt> It's a lot of fun on the PS2. the PC version seems not as entertaining because the interface is a little off.
[17:41:29] <TonyHoyt> It's a action rpg of sorts. Realtime combat with up to four party members plus 1 summoned monsters.
[17:42:03] <TonyHoyt> You can semi-pause the game durring battle but for the most part, you just select what you want to attack and people hack at it to death.
[17:42:22] <Deimoss> But does it have much adventuring or only fighting?
[17:43:13] <TonyHoyt> It's got a really neat plot, adventure though many diffrent zones, ton of subplots, a nice chunk of ingame video with dialog.. it's sweet.
[17:43:30] <Deimoss> Is it a old game or a new?
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[17:43:40] <TonyHoyt> Came out at the Launch of the ps2.
[17:43:47] <TonyHoyt> it's a ps2 and pc game.
[17:43:54] <Deimoss> How much driver space it occupies?
[17:43:55] <TonyHoyt> The pc version seems to be highly patched up.
[17:44:07] <TonyHoyt> I have no idea, I've only played the ps2 version.
[17:44:10] <Deimoss> well ok
[17:44:16] <TonyHoyt> the ps2 version has a lot of issues. Namely long load times.
[17:44:24] <Deimoss> well ok
[17:44:35] <TonyHoyt> There's a demo available www.summoner.com
[17:44:44] <Deimoss> well if i find it some where i will take a try
[17:44:48] <Deimoss> ok
[17:44:55] <TonyHoyt> Give it a shot at least. The demo levels you real fast so you can get an idea of the game.. The real game is slower on leveling.
[17:45:25] <Deimoss> Is this a online game?
[17:45:49] <TonyHoyt> No but I think the pc has an online option to allow players play all four heros.
[17:46:01] <TonyHoyt> But I never played it online, since I only had it on the ps2.
[17:46:39] <Deimoss> only asking because i really dont have internet
[17:46:45] <Deimoss> so i can play it without
[17:47:27] <Deimoss> If i like that game i think i buy it
[17:47:32] <Deimoss> seems at least nice
[17:47:34] <TonyHoyt> Oh ya. You can. but it's a hefty download. If you don't have broadband, don't bother.
[17:47:51] <TonyHoyt> Something like 70MB i think.
[17:48:45] <Deimoss> Is the demo 70mb?
[17:49:14] <TonyHoyt> Yup. I think..
[17:49:38] <Deimoss> Well but i can always buy it, cant i?
[17:49:50] <TonyHoyt> 63MB actually.
[17:50:02] <TonyHoyt> Yup. it's in stores now.. I think the Mac version just came out too.
[17:50:21] <Deimoss> Where are you from?
[17:50:29] <Deimoss> Yeah the game looks very nice
[17:50:43] <Deimoss> i hope it is nice also by the story and the other important things
[17:50:50] <TonyHoyt> East Coast USA.
[17:51:00] <TonyHoyt> I enjoyed it a lot.
[17:51:05] <TonyHoyt> But It could just be me.
[17:51:48] <Deimoss> WEll i live in Finland so we may not have it for some time yet here :)
[17:52:09] <TonyHoyt> Ahhhh well that may be the case.
[17:52:14] <TonyHoyt> But check around.. or order online if you can.
[17:52:30] <TonyHoyt> If you want an american game that is :-/ I don't know.
[17:52:39] <TonyHoyt> I don't know if it's translated or localized at all.
[17:53:21] <Deimoss> wELL let's see what time brings...
[17:53:31] * TonyHoyt nods
[17:53:41] <TonyHoyt> But I was thinking of a ultima 7 onlineish kind of game.
[17:54:18] <TonyHoyt> But I was thinking of doing something quite radicly diffrent then the format that u7 currently is. More, I'm just going to take the artwork.. The rest I'm going to mostly redesign.
[17:54:49] <Deimoss> you had good plans i think... only dont change the game too much...
[17:55:32] <TonyHoyt> Well I haven't even said anything yet.. :-/
[17:55:39] <TonyHoyt> Ahh never mind.
[17:56:20] <Deimoss> i will
[17:56:28] <Deimoss> i go to play a bit q2
[17:56:34] <Deimoss> may we shall see later
[17:56:34] <TonyHoyt> Okay
[17:56:36] <TonyHoyt> later
[17:56:40] <Deimoss> very good talking with you
[17:59:51] <TonyHoyt> Same here.
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[18:17:29] <TonyHoyt> Anyone abouyt?
[18:39:44] <Deimoss> well i am here
[18:39:56] <Deimoss> some new topic :) ?
[18:40:03] <TonyHoyt> Hi Deimoss.
[18:40:10] <TonyHoyt> Ah well. if you got something.. I'm kind of dry.
[18:40:14] <Deimoss> I am still here :)
[18:40:16] <Deimoss> ok
[18:40:25] <Deimoss> do you play any quake?
[18:41:18] <TonyHoyt> Not really. I was more interested in 3rd party games like it such as Drakan and Heretic 2.
[18:42:08] <Deimoss> Well i have played Heretic 1 but it is like doom
[18:42:15] <Deimoss> Doom is nice legend
[18:42:16] <Deimoss> :)
[18:42:27] <TonyHoyt> Doom was fun for the little while I played it.
[18:42:28] <Deimoss> but Heretic 1 is only okay
[18:42:37] <Deimoss> Well i made there my own world
[18:42:43] <Deimoss> i mean a episode of maps
[18:42:51] <Colourless> heretic 2 is very different to heretic 1
[18:42:52] <Deimoss> they where quite good
[18:42:52] <TonyHoyt> Heretic 2 is quite a bit diffrent though. Still action oriented but 3rd person and with some puzzles.
[18:43:31] <Deimoss> Well other topic... how are the things there in USA?
[18:44:07] <TonyHoyt> :-) Well doing fine. Got an ass for a Nation Leader but I didnt' vote for him :P.
[18:44:33] <Colourless> did you vote against him though?
[18:45:00] <TonyHoyt> Well actually I didn't vote but I would have vote for Gore if I remembered to sigh up properly :P
[18:46:15] <Deimoss> I dont like Bush much....
[18:46:22] <Deimoss> Al gore would have done better
[18:46:39] <Deimoss> Messy thing to vote there ? :)
[18:47:27] <Deimoss> Colourless from where are you?
[18:48:40] <Colourless> i'm fro Australia
[18:48:50] <Deimoss> Oh
[18:49:05] <Deimoss> every body is from other continent :)
[18:49:44] <Deimoss> From where in Austarilia? North, east, west or south and which city?
[18:50:24] <TonyHoyt> Jeeze. all the ultima 7 fans are outside the us. :-)
[18:50:37] <Colourless> I'm from adelaide which is pretty much south
[18:51:48] <Deimoss> Colourless have you lived all your life in Austarilia?
[18:52:27] <Colourless> yeah I have.
[18:52:40] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt what do u think about the kiotos contract?
[18:52:58] <TonyHoyt> I don't even know what it is...
[18:53:03] <Deimoss> Colourless have you never seen aborginales?
[18:53:06] <Deimoss> hehe
[18:53:29] <Colourless> heh, yeah, seen lots
[18:53:51] <Deimoss> bush is hide information from you :P
[18:54:05] <Deimoss> damn i cant write correctly
[18:54:42] <Deimoss> the kioto is a contract which tries to decrease the wastes and bush is against it
[18:55:32] <Colourless> you mean the "Kyoto Treaty"
[18:55:37] <TonyHoyt> Ahhh I've heard a ton of storys like that.. and ya. Bush is an iddiot... And we're in a fairly sorry state right now. the USA is in a mild depression, and our leader is a freaking moron. Please excuse us while we remodle.
[18:55:40] <Deimoss> well that it could be
[18:55:54] <TonyHoyt> Oooh the Keyoto Treaty!
[18:56:00] <Deimoss> sorry
[18:56:06] <TonyHoyt> Ya, I've heard about that.
[18:56:07] <Deimoss> i am idiot in english :)
[18:56:14] <TonyHoyt> It'sokay.
[18:56:18] <TonyHoyt> I am too. :-/
[18:56:32] <Deimoss> you speak english though :))))
[18:56:37] <Deimoss> i dont...
[18:56:43] <TonyHoyt> Yup.
[18:56:43] <Deimoss> but we lear it in school
[18:56:46] <Deimoss> learn
[18:56:59] <TonyHoyt> Ya, It's my main and only language. and I suck at it too :-/
[18:57:09] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt i hope you get things better there....
[18:57:45] <Deimoss> Colourless how are things there? Do u have a president?
[18:58:04] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt i am trying to get the icq of Mel Gibson :P :)
[18:58:20] <Deimoss> Isn't he Austaralian?
[18:58:37] <Colourless> things are pretty good here. We don't have a president, our head of state is The Queen of the England
[18:58:41] <TonyHoyt> icq of Mel Gibson?!
[18:59:25] <Colourless> Australian's like to think Mel Gibson is Australian because he spent much of his child hood and early acting career here, but he was actually born in the USA
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[18:59:50] <Deimoss> Now you speak much Colourless, i like it :)
[19:00:01] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt well it can be a fake
[19:00:03] <Deimoss> and maybe its
[19:00:06] * TonyHoyt shrugs
[19:00:13] <Deimoss> but there is a possibily also that it is
[19:00:30] <Deimoss> but other thins is how i am going to get authorization :)
[19:00:45] <Deimoss> Colourless is Austarilia then a part of England?
[19:01:05] <TonyHoyt> afk.
[19:01:19] <Deimoss> afk. ?
[19:01:33] <Colourless> Australia is it's own country, we just have the same Queen as england
[19:02:20] <Deimoss> Ok... but true is that it has been a part of england before?
[19:02:27] <Deimoss> TonyHoyt do you have icq?
[19:02:55] <Colourless> Australia was part of england till January 1st 1901
[19:03:28] <Deimoss> That's good to know...
[19:03:59] <Deimoss> By the way, does aborginales have their own language?
[19:04:12] <Deimoss> Or do they speak nowadays english?
[19:05:13] <Colourless> different aboriginal tribes do speak their own language amongst themselves, but pretty much everyone speaks english
[19:05:46] <Deimoss> ok
[19:07:56] <Deimoss> Colourless have you been in new sealeand? I would like to go there...
[19:08:36] * TonyHoyt wishes he could hack exult into a better client server game but realizes he's not that hot as a developer :-/
[19:09:07] <Colourless> Tonyhoyt: you could be a developer ;-)
[19:09:34] <Colourless> deimoss: nope, I've only been to 1 place out of australia and that was Fiji
[19:10:10] <TonyHoyt> :-/
[19:10:21] <TonyHoyt> We'll see. I'm curious to try but too dam lazy :-/
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[19:11:19] <TonyHoyt> ya, another happy exult user.
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[19:11:50] <XxVenomxX> I just sent a happy exulat user email. hehe
[19:11:56] <XxVenomxX> gah, exult
[19:12:06] <XxVenomxX> Then I found out about this channel
[19:12:07] <XxVenomxX> :)
[19:12:18] <TonyHoyt> Ahhh.
[19:12:51] <TonyHoyt> Come over to talk to all the mad l33t exult d00d's?
[19:13:04] <XxVenomxX> lol
[19:13:09] <XxVenomxX> Sure, why not?
[19:13:20] <TonyHoyt> Great! when you find them, let me know. :-/
[19:13:31] <XxVenomxX> lol
[19:13:35] <Colourless> all one of us ;-)
[19:14:01] <XxVenomxX> one is better than none!
[19:14:16] <Colourless> that could very easily change ;-)
[19:14:21] <XxVenomxX> hehe
[19:14:25] <XxVenomxX> :x
[19:14:38] * Colourless checks time... 4:43 am!
[19:16:15] <matt0> hehee.. Dominik killed Dr.Code! hee
[19:19:49] <XxVenomxX> Bah, well I have to go. But now that I've finally found my way here, I'll be back
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[19:50:15] <TonyHoyt> wb.
[19:50:33] <TonyHoyt> I just realized something , Copernica. Your on optimum onlines network?
[19:51:26] <Copernica> yes
[19:51:47] <TonyHoyt> Are you in the North East usa?
[19:51:54] <Copernica> aye
[19:52:04] <TonyHoyt> Okay.. Ya, I'm on the same network at home.. cool.
[19:52:23] <Copernica> the optonline news server sucks
[19:52:32] <TonyHoyt> Oh ya.
[19:52:37] <Copernica> and sometimes the service goes down inexplicably
[19:52:39] <TonyHoyt> Well optonline sucks in general in my opinion.
[19:52:50] <Copernica> it's pretty fast for me
[19:52:52] <TonyHoyt> I want @home back :-/
[19:52:53] <Copernica> which is all that matters
[19:53:00] * TonyHoyt shrugs
[19:53:08] <TonyHoyt> lately I can't complain...
[19:56:34] <Copernica> bbl
[19:58:18] <TonyHoyt> seeyas
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