#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 18 May 2002 (GMT)

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[10:56:38] <wjp> hi
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[15:37:32] <wjp> hi
[15:37:43] <Colourless> hi
[15:42:14] <Colourless> wow, busy day in #exult :-)
[16:10:58] <wjp> yeah, you can say that again :-)
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[21:31:09] <Dominus> hello, oh quiet ones :-)
[21:31:50] <Darke> Hiya. *grin*
[21:32:18] <Dominus> I might finally do some work on FAQ and the two docs, I think
[21:32:37] <Darke> Now you've got some spare time, since there's no logs to read? *innocentlook*
[21:33:32] <Dominus> well there is some other rather interesting page in reagard to exult to read :-) (or rather U8 and Crusader)
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[21:33:44] <bj0ern> hi
[21:33:56] <Darke> 'ello.
[21:34:02] <Dominus> hi
[21:34:39] <Darke> Dominus: Crusader? What's this 'Crusader' of which you speak? I know nothing! *blinkblink*
[21:35:21] <Dominus> hmm, I don't know either, I just thought I saw it mentioned somewhere...
[21:35:26] * Darke hides a couple of windows on his desktop so Dominus can't peak out of this one at them.
[21:36:47] <Dominus> he he
[21:36:59] <wjp_> hi Dominus, bj0ern
[21:37:25] * Dominus wonders who that wjp_ imposter is
[21:37:54] <wjp_> yeah, so do I :-)
[21:46:41] <Dominus> btw, I'm wondering if I should add a little link list of projects some of our team are also working on...
[21:48:02] <bj0ern> interested in a Linux PPC build of exult?
[21:48:22] <bj0ern> i see you just have Intel and an Alpha version
[21:49:24] <Dominus> I think we are VERY interested in one for the 1.0 release
[21:49:49] <bj0ern> any ETA for 1.0?
[21:50:30] <Darke> Sometime between "when it's done" and "soon", I think at the moment. *grin*
[21:50:57] <bj0ern> you're not related to idsoftware are you? hehe
[21:51:20] <bj0ern> ok, so enough time to get sound running on this machine first
[21:51:32] <Dominus> not sure if it's worth to add one for the rc1 and for a snapshot of current CVS...
[21:52:14] <Darke> No relation I can think of. *grin* The criteria I think at v1.0, is that we've gotten rid of most of the bugs, and that it's playable through both BG and SI at 320x200 resolution without any graphical bugs and plot bugs and such.
[21:57:04] <bj0ern> ok
[22:06:52] <bj0ern> never buy a microsoft mouse :/
[22:07:21] <wjp_> hm, I kind of liked ms mouses
[22:07:24] * Darke is currently using a MS trackball. It works well. *grin*
[22:07:24] * Dominus wonders why someone who uses Linux uses a MS product :-)
[22:07:44] <Darke> Their hardware works perfectly, their software, well... *grin*
[22:08:12] <bj0ern> no, not perfectly ... i have this mouse for, hmmm, 7 month now, and the right mouse button has problems :(
[22:08:43] <Darke> It's under warrenty, take it back and get it exchanged then. *grin*
[22:09:30] <bj0ern> hm, i should try that
[22:11:35] * Darke figures the difference between MS hardware and MS software, is MS is financially penalised for producing crap hardware due to returns for it not working, whereas they just get people to pay them more money if their software is b0rk3n.
[22:13:27] <bj0ern> win2k isnt that bad.. but i notice more and more games under win who are poorly coded.. like Anarchy Online (which i am playing atm). This game has to be restarted every couple of hours because it seems like it has a memory leak.
[22:14:32] <bj0ern> Same goes for Morrowind and Dark Age of Camelot.. i guess the coders don't pay attention there. Whis is much better with software under linux even though its free
[22:14:38] <Darke> AO is the poster child for MMOPGs that are released far, far, far too early. *grin*
[22:15:07] <bj0ern> yeah, its like a beta, even though its like 1 year old now
[22:16:07] <Darke> Yup. When patches come out that actually break 99% of the clients trying to connect, then you know there's multiple problems in the organisation. *grin*
[22:16:17] <bj0ern> they have the opportunity to patch it every week or so, but they rather care for game design and balance issues instead of hardcore program bugs.. same goes for every MMORPG out there
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[22:17:45] <Darke> DAoC actually had a remarkably painless release, and was very much 'bug free' in comparison to almost every other MMORPG out there. But it still had bugs. *grin*
[22:17:46] <wjp_> hehe, for a second there I was wondering why I saw myself leave :-)
[22:18:02] * Darke snickers.
[22:18:22] <bj0ern> yeah, daoc isnt bugfree.. i had major gfx bugs every week..
[22:18:32] <bj0ern> stopped playing daoc after all
[22:19:40] <bj0ern> but netimmerse is a good engine
[22:20:07] <bj0ern> although you had to restart the game every hour when you did tradeskill tasks in camelot =)
[22:20:16] <Darke> IIRC the 'big' release bug for DAoC was that you could sometimes 'slip' through the joins in the floor.
[22:20:27] <Darke> *earperk* Why? *grin*
[22:20:57] <bj0ern> because camelot was lagging then. =) .. memory leak somewhere
[22:21:13] <bj0ern> the "help me i fell through the floor" bug was fixed afaik
[22:22:59] * Darke ahhs.
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[22:25:06] <bj0ern> k
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[23:08:57] <bj0ern_> okies. fetchmail is running *phew*
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[23:09:55] <bj0ern_> heh
[23:10:08] <bj0ern_> my damn router hangs up even if i am connected to irc
[23:11:19] <bj0ern_> ok, now lets see how to tell mutt to use exim to send my mails
[23:18:03] <Dominus> in the upcoming ES docs: Due to the lazy nature of the maintainer (Dominus) of this documentation it might not be always up to date.
[23:18:23] <Dominus> oh, might not always be...
[23:19:58] <wjp_> time to go home
[23:20:01] <wjp_> brb
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[23:23:40] <bj0ern_> hehe
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[23:41:25] <SB-X> hi
[23:41:29] <Dominus> hi
[23:43:51] <wjp> wjp_ was at the uni
[23:44:42] <Dominus> very late it seems :-)
[23:44:58] <wjp> :-)
[23:45:16] <Dominus> wjp: need some check:
[23:45:40] <Dominus> Apparently <Exult/> has some problem with OSS (Open Sound System - a commercial product that comes included with many Linux distributions) and OSSFree.
[23:45:54] <Dominus> Therefore we advice our users to install ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) found at <ref target="http://www.alsa-project.org"/>.
[23:46:10] <Dominus> ALSA is going to replace OSS in the upcoming 2.5 Kernel anyway. We are sorry for this.
[23:46:17] <Dominus> is this okay?
[23:46:23] <SB-X> i thought OSS came with all distros
[23:46:49] <SB-X> and OSSFree is what it usually is
[23:47:35] <Dominus> from the ML: There are actually two incarnations of OSS: the one distributed with the kernel (known as OSSFree) and the one commercially sold by 4Front.
[23:47:57] <Dominus> Actually, the sound drivers included in the kernel for most modern
[23:47:57] <Dominus> soundcards have nothing to do with OSSFree, but have been developed
[23:47:57] <Dominus> afterwards. However they are collectively called OSS because they implement
[23:47:57] <Dominus> the OSS interface
[23:48:22] <SB-X> what distros include the commercial one?
[23:48:24] <Dominus> I was just trying to simplify stuff as I don't know what I'm writing about anyway
[23:48:37] <Dominus> :-)
[23:48:46] <Dominus> I have no clue
[23:48:54] * SB-X doesn't know about it either, he just installs the module for his card and it goes.
[23:49:03] <wjp> I'd simplify it even further, by leaving out the OSSFree part
[23:49:11] <Dominus> ok
[23:52:31] <Dominus> he he, I just had Iolo move on his own in my patch (without me doing anything), He opened the east door of Dominus' hut went through the hut and left through the north door and walked off the screen
[23:54:17] <SB-X> there is a north door?
[23:54:29] <Dominus> oh, I meant south
[23:54:39] <SB-X> oops
[23:55:03] <SB-X> attack colourless repeatedly :)
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