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[12:48:32] <Colourless> hi
[12:48:47] <fingolfin> hi
[12:48:55] <fingolfin> Colourless: can you log into SF right now?
[12:48:56] <Colourless> hmmm, there is something wrong here, I just quite figure it out ;-)
[12:48:57] <fingolfin> using SSL?
[12:49:14] <fingolfin> ?
[12:49:23] <fingolfin> what is wrong? my quick anser, or chimera|wookin ? :)
[12:49:29] <Colourless> that comment was unrealted to sourceforge btw
[12:50:30] <Colourless> hehe, you got it :)
[12:50:47] <fingolfin> :)
[12:51:07] <Colourless> of course which one was it? ;-)
[12:52:17] <Colourless> i've got no problems. i can log into sourceforge with ssl
[12:52:50] <fingolfin> maybe it works again, hm
[12:53:21] <fingolfin> I still can't! neithe can a friedn using NS 4.7 on linux
[12:53:24] <fingolfin> you use IE I guess?
[12:53:55] <fingolfin> can you load https://sourceforge.net ?
[12:56:50] <Colourless> i'm using ie 6
[12:56:50] <Colourless> yes i can load https://sourceforge.net
[12:56:50] <fingolfin> cool
[12:56:50] <fingolfin> maybe they switched to IE 6-only support then? :)
[12:56:50] <Colourless> hehe
[12:56:50] <Colourless> i'm logged in though, i'll logout and see if i can load it
[12:57:11] <Colourless> still works
[12:57:11] <fingolfin> I believe you! I just wonder why I can't log in anymore, yesterday it all worked fine
[12:57:28] <fingolfin> and in addtition, I got one other guy using linux with the same prob; and so far, you are the only other persion to respond to my question
[12:57:49] <fingolfin> person even
[12:59:20] <Colourless> which is odd because they have a warning saying that ie has problems with ssl
[12:59:52] <Colourless> of course, i always stay in ssl simply because it doesn't work for me when I leave ssl after login
[13:01:23] <fingolfin> ie 5 has a problem with SSL on MacOS only AFAIK
[13:01:28] <fingolfin> he
[13:01:33] <fingolfin> I always stay in SSL, too
[13:01:53] <fingolfin> but since for the login it goes to SSL for one page at least, I cannot login at all
[13:08:10] <Colourless> it's not working anymore
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> ugh
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> it just worked for the linux guy, and for a friend who also uses OS X and the same browser as i
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> but for me it still doesn't work
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> I wonder, could this be some sort of attack, to snoop password?
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> password even
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> passwords even
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> <sigh>
[13:08:10] <fingolfin> tp what IP does sourceforge.net resolve for you?
[13:08:25] <Colourless> 216.136.171.196
[13:08:46] <fingolfin> same for me
[13:08:46] <fingolfin> ok
[13:09:05] <fingolfin> I'll try lynx now :)
[13:09:18] <Colourless> :)
[13:20:39] <Colourless> it's working for me again
[13:27:45] <fingolfin> it works in lynx now
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[13:27:45] <Dominus> hi guys
[13:27:46] <Dominus> as you can see by my lates three mails to the mailing list I had problems with SF as well
[13:27:46] <Dominus> using IE6
[13:27:46] <Colourless> hi
[13:27:46] <Dominus> now it wont work again
[13:28:17] <Dominus> btw, Iīm running XP now and I think we can safely say that Exult supports this OS as well (who would have guessed anyway :-))
[13:28:42] <Dominus> and the annoying pop/crack starting Exult is gone, too
[13:33:28] <Colourless> is it working now?
[13:33:58] <fingolfin> SF works now for me, Colourless
[13:34:01] <fingolfin> hi Dominus
[13:34:07] <Dominus> for me tot
[13:34:12] <Dominus> äh, too
[13:34:15] <Dominus> not tot
[13:34:17] <fingolfin> I bet it is an issue with one of the servers, and load balancing hides it
[13:34:22] <Dominus> hi fingolfin
[13:37:18] <Dominus> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1714&t=1714
[13:37:18] <Dominus> a very quote worthy thread
[13:37:18] <Colourless> heh :-)
[13:37:18] <fingolfin> LOL
[13:37:18] <fingolfin> well I knew we had one... but I never even tried to compile it :)
[13:37:59] <Dominus> so we had this nice usecode debugger and no one used it
[13:38:55] <fingolfin> oh damn! I think I forgot whihc password I used for the forum
[13:38:55] <fingolfin> now how do I get a new one? :)
[13:38:55] <Dominus> hehe
[13:38:55] <Colourless> you could delete your account and create a new one
[13:43:49] <Colourless> how to do that though, i've got no idea :)
[13:50:08] <fingolfin> he :)
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[13:51:03] <Dominus> http://www.rainemu.com/swf/allyourbase/allyoursmurf.swf (you can guess, allright?)
[13:51:17] <Colourless> i think i'll pass :)
[13:51:26] <Dominus> he he
[13:51:48] <Colourless> that's all like so last year
[13:51:52] <Colourless> :-)
[13:52:13] <Dominus> oh my, are we hip today
[13:52:15] <Dominus> :-)
[13:52:19] <Colourless> hehe
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[14:43:41] <Fingolfin> Colourless: so, when do we actually write this fatal_error function?
[14:44:00] <Fingolfin> Colourless: btw, David Olofson (author of Kobo Delux) is interested in such a function, too
[14:44:36] <Colourless> whenever. I was likely to start on things tonight
[14:45:29] <Colourless> I was going to put it in a separate source file because lots of #ifdef's will be used and I thought it would be a good idea not to put all that in exult.cc for example
[14:49:25] <Fingolfin> yeah
[14:49:44] <Fingolfin> and it would make it easier for us to publish this as a snippet to be used by other projects, if we want to :)
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[16:18:46] <Fingolfin> wb Dominus
[16:22:06] <Dominus> argh
[16:22:21] <Dominus> there is definetely something wrong with conversations now
[16:22:30] <Dominus> in Exult I mean
[16:22:32] <Dominus> :-)
[16:23:23] <Colourless> grrr. i've currently got no www access. i know it's my isp because I can still access sourceforge using https, but nothing using http.
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[16:26:46] <Dominus> take a look at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=462438&group_id=2335&atid=102335 and see if that crashes for you as well
[16:27:48] <Dominus> lengthy conversations tend to freeze Exult in the moonshade area whenever you press "bye"
[16:28:45] <Colourless> hmmm, now https isn't even working
[16:36:38] <Colourless> yeah, just happened to me then
[16:37:31] <Dominus> seems https isworking again, huh?
[16:40:31] <Colourless> while it is, i was just talking to random people in moonshade and Torrissio caused exult to freeze
[16:40:45] <Colourless> i haven't looked at your bug report yet
[16:41:04] <Dominus> ah, okay then
[16:41:10] <Dominus> thatīs basicly it
[16:41:21] <Dominus> itīs quite random actually
[16:41:44] <Colourless> the problem is somewhere in approach_avatar
[16:41:49] <Dominus> when I speak to the moonshaders in different order different ones cause Exult to freeze
[16:42:07] <Dominus> I think itīs the automaton who delivers the scroll
[16:42:34] <Colourless> i don't think so
[16:42:36] <Dominus> who is somehow causing it
[16:42:50] <Colourless> but, I could be wrong
[16:43:03] <Colourless> [0xbf]: approach_avatar(ffe7, 005a, 0028) =
[16:43:17] <Dominus> because from the savegame I put into the tracker I would freeze when talking to petra
[16:43:58] <Dominus> but this time I went first to speak to the provisioner and then returning to the inn the automaton spoke to me, even though I couldnīt see him
[16:44:09] <Dominus> after that everything seems to be fine again
[16:47:02] <Dominus> while you are at the inn notice the two music eggs at the entrance. one starts the music when entering the other one stops it at once
[16:47:15] <Colourless> yeah, i know :)
[16:47:21] <Dominus> never noticed this before
[16:47:29] <Colourless> si does that a lot so it can have infinite loops in the music
[16:47:42] <Dominus> okay
[16:48:00] <Colourless> someplaces though it looks like they forgot the stop music egg
[16:52:13] <Colourless> the gardens in monitor are such places. some of the eggs are set to repeat, some are not, and some of the enterences have stop song eggs, others dont
[16:53:11] <Dominus> sloppy work
[16:53:14] <Dominus> :-)
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[16:58:12] <Dominus> well anyway, now after I spoke to that atomaton with the scrolll everything is back to normal
[17:02:31] <Dominus> how does one cast "create automaton"?
[17:02:45] <Dominus> I donīt get it
[17:03:08] <Colourless> yep you are correct, it is freezing with the automaton delivering the scroll
[17:03:19] <Colourless> what do you mean?
[17:03:40] <Dominus> ah, it didnīt work before that spell
[17:03:53] <Dominus> now it works but doesnīt create an automaton
[17:04:27] <Dominus> the broken automaton disappears but no whole auto appears
[17:04:32] <Colourless> what is the shapenum of the speelbook?
[17:04:50] <Dominus> try stealing the scroll from themage in moonshade
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[17:05:02] <Colourless> hi
[17:05:06] <Dominus> torrissio
[17:05:08] <Nadir> hi
[17:05:16] <Dominus> hi again
[17:05:46] <Colourless> worked for me
[17:06:01] <Colourless> the automaton started wondering off to who know where, but it worked
[17:07:12] <Dominus> mine was instantly gone
[17:07:30] <Dominus> now I have "deadeye" wandering around moonshade
[17:07:41] <Colourless> deadeye?
[17:08:11] <Dominus> the pirate that I killed earlier in Fawn
[17:08:21] <Colourless> hmmm
[17:09:16] <Dominus> ahh, just tried again and the automaton turned into deadeye
[17:09:26] * Dominus is confused
[17:10:33] <Nadir> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/exult/exult/configure.in.diff?r1=1.34&r2=1.35
[17:15:06] <Colourless> it doesn't let you use create autmaton on the brass coloured automaton, it only works on the silver ones :(
[17:15:43] <Dominus> as it did in the original
[17:15:45] <Dominus> :-)
[17:16:32] <Dominus> and I couldnīt use it on the right automaton in Torissios house only the left one worked (and that became deadeye (#128))
[17:16:43] <Colourless> it did ???
[17:17:31] <Colourless> they should turn into Larry (231) and Stan (232)
[17:17:39] <Nadir> gotta go now. bye
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[17:19:24] <Dominus> must be a corrupted savegame
[17:19:27] <Dominus> a new one works
[17:19:44] * Colourless downloads the savegame
[17:22:43] <Colourless> i'm assume that you were using the savegame from the blueboar crashes game
[17:22:48] <Dominus> yep
[17:22:59] <Colourless> it worked fine
[17:23:08] <Dominus> huh?
[17:23:29] <Dominus> iīm on the phone, iīll look in amoment
[17:23:30] <Colourless> loaded the save game, did create automaton and it worked fine
[17:23:45] <Dominus> strange
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[17:44:54] <Colourless> hmmm
[17:45:07] <Colourless> ignore that :
[17:45:08] <Colourless> )
[17:48:15] <Colourless> omg HTTP!!! :-)
[17:48:26] <Dominus> :-)
[17:51:54] <Colourless> i just had a great idea. why don't we save the music number that was being played when a game was saved and then restart the music when the game is reloaded
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[18:00:34] <Fingolfin> Colourless: sounds good
[18:04:02] * Dominus finally stops talking on the phone
[18:04:09] <Dominus> Colourless: sounds very good
[18:04:45] <Colourless> well, you know what, i've already implimented it... got a bug to fix first
[18:06:15] <Dominus> Colourless: very strange that this "create Auto" works in that savegame and in just two saves further it doesnīt
[18:06:31] * Dominus checked himself and yes it worked
[18:14:18] <Dominus> bbl
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[18:25:29] <Dominus> hi again
[18:25:36] <Colourless> wb
[18:25:39] <Fingolfin> wb
[18:41:37] <Colourless> there, done, now time to commit this pretty trivial change :)
[18:41:49] <Dominus> cool
[18:44:24] * Fingolfin wonders how big the breakage will be
[18:48:40] <Colourless> committed
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[18:55:09] * Dominus is compiling
[19:15:15] <Dominus> I have two savegames now in which one is corrupted and another one is fine (before the automaton arrived). somehow the savegame after he arrived and I spoke to rotuluncia is broken (as seen with the create automaton spell). Do you think I should commit those to the open bug about corruption
[19:15:29] <Colourless> yeah
[19:15:39] <Colourless> commit the before and after
[19:15:46] <Colourless> submit the before and after :)
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[19:22:51] <Dominus> hey before submitting I found that this one is reproducible
[19:23:07] <Dominus> try the savegame with the bug
[19:23:33] <Dominus> go to rotuluncias house and speak to the automaton, get the scroll from him
[19:23:33] <Colourless> and?
[19:23:47] <Dominus> doubleclick it, speak to rotu
[19:23:55] <Dominus> afterwards save and restore
[19:24:15] <Dominus> go to torissios and try the create automaton
[19:24:32] <Colourless> ok will do
[19:24:39] <Dominus> should now produce "deadeye"
[19:25:39] <Dominus> havenīt yet tried what step of it causes it
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[19:35:18] <Colourless> well I'll be
[19:35:31] <Dominus> ?
[19:35:36] <Colourless> that is just odd
[19:35:55] <Colourless> first reproducable corrupted save game. could be very useful
[19:36:10] <Dominus> I just submitted this to the bugtracker under the corrupted savegame with instructions
[19:36:54] <Colourless> i would submit it as a new one personally
[19:37:19] <Dominus> hm
[19:37:41] <Dominus> normally Jeff and Nadir should receive the change to the bug now
[19:38:00] <Dominus> I can also post a note to the mailing list
[19:38:30] <Colourless> yeah
[19:40:10] <Colourless> i actually had a savegame corrupt on me a little earlier. nothing like your one though. it would just crash on load because of an invalid shape number
[19:40:59] <Dominus> maybe we can track those down now
[19:41:13] <Dominus> but I doubt itīs just one cause
[19:42:16] <Colourless> the one that happened to me doesn't seem reproducable though
[19:42:36] <Dominus> Colourless: I somehow had hoped that your animation fixes would fix that animation problem with that warez pc :-(
[19:42:54] <Dominus> Colourless: I had one corrupted savegame like that before
[19:42:55] <Colourless> I have no idea what's wrong with that :)
[19:43:34] <Dominus> :-)
[19:44:35] <Colourless> the wall that's screwing up the warez computer appears to be created by usecode BTW
[19:45:06] <Dominus> really strange
[19:46:14] <Dominus> it was okay in the original
[19:51:51] <Colourless> could be a render order thing
[19:56:10] <Colourless> ok, just checked the original and the wall is there as well, except the table is drawn over it, and in exult the wall is drawn over the table
[19:56:23] <Dominus> ahh
[19:56:36] <Dominus> why that was ever done
[19:56:47] <Dominus> will remain a mystery, I guess
[19:57:06] <Colourless> yeah probably
[19:57:21] <Dominus> I would really like to talk to a developer of SI sometime
[19:58:10] <Dominus> in exult itīs probabyl just the other way round the Pc-screen is drawn under it and the forcewall over it
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[21:37:17] <Dominus> ok, got to go now
[21:37:20] <Dominus> bye
[21:37:24] <Colourless> cy
[21:37:25] <Colourless> a
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[21:58:52] <Colourless> time to leave
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