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[12:31:13] <Colourless> hi
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[12:48:07] <Dominus> hi all
[12:48:10] <Colourless> hi
[12:49:03] <Dominus> Colourless: I wondered, from a post to the 3dfx-newsgroup, how the V56k performs in D3d games in W2k and XP?
[12:49:27] <Colourless> in a word: shitty
[12:49:42] <Colourless> 1 chip only remember... so it's pretty bad
[12:50:17] <Dominus> really, the drivers are soo bad?
[12:50:32] <Colourless> uh yeah :-)
[12:50:36] <Colourless> they were never finished
[12:50:54] <Dominus> then I have to apologize to the guy because I thought it was at least as good as the 5.5k
[12:51:55] <Colourless> :-)
[12:52:22] <Colourless> really, the 6k's can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.
[12:53:22] <Dominus> the *cough* 3dhq's drivers will supposedly fix that. But, well, we know what they say and do...
[12:54:58] <Colourless> i'll beleive it when I see it, and actually have them myself, untill then they are less than vapourware
[12:55:46] <Dominus> same for me
[12:55:57] <Dominus> supposedly they got rid of Devo :-)
[12:56:35] <Dominus> but that "Brood" thing that they have going is really something else...
[12:57:56] <Colourless> my opinion is they shouldn't even try. it just encourages people to hang on to their cards. there are much better alternatives out there now
[12:59:01] <Dominus> Yeah, I wish I had gone for the V5 PCI so I could use it for glide games along with a newer agp card...
[12:59:21] <Dominus> but in the end I'll just watch glide die...
[13:00:15] <Dominus> Though I haven't yet decided which brand will get my money. Nvidia or Ati
[13:00:45] <Dominus> what would you get if you had the money to spend on a new card?
[13:00:54] <Colourless> if possible, just buy what ever is best at the time you want to buy :-)
[13:01:25] <Colourless> currently that is ATi, in the future it is likely to be Nvidia, and so on
[13:01:42] <Dominus> yeah
[13:02:05] <Colourless> If i had the money at the moment, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 9700.
[13:02:26] <Dominus> I'm thinking of getting the V3 from a friend who recently upgraded to a G4 MX to play Warcraft 3 :-)
[13:02:33] <Colourless> I was always hesitent with the Dx8 level cards since the FSAA quality would have been a real big step down for me
[13:02:39] <Kirben> I like Nvidia myself, been with them since Riva 128.
[13:02:44] <Dominus> and buy myself a new and shiny AGP card
[13:03:41] <Dominus> Nvidia=supposedly good driver support, Ati=best FSAA right now
[13:04:01] <Colourless> Nvidia is somewhat of a safe bet. You know for sure that the games are most likely going to work right with them since they are what the developer use
[13:04:47] <Dominus> I'll probably wait a while longer and hope Nvidia actually uses some of what they bought with 3dfx
[13:04:49] <Kirben> Yes Nvidia is the best driver support wise, one reason I stick with them.
[13:05:51] <Dominus> Kirben: do you actually play newer games?
[13:06:08] <Dominus> (just out of interest)
[13:06:48] <Kirben> Not many, lost interest in recent games.
[13:06:59] * Dominus nods
[13:07:28] <Dominus> but playing Neverwinter is quite fun for me atm and the U4 mod is quite interesting
[13:08:12] * Dominus who spent 3 hours to get his overcheated character accepted into Chapter2 singleplayer game
[13:08:23] <Kirben> Deus Ex 2 is amin game I'm looking forward to right now, might upgrade system for it if it is as good as original.
[13:09:18] <Dominus> I haven't even played Deus Ex1 yet (the tutorial but not more)
[13:09:41] <Colourless> you disappoint me
[13:09:46] <Kirben> Try the demos, can try out the first two complete missions.
[13:09:54] <Dominus> DeusEx and Planescape Torment are on my "to play" pile topmost
[13:10:08] <Kirben> Deus Ex would have to be one of largest demos ever.
[13:10:56] <Dominus> Well, the worst is that I have the game but never got further than the tutorial :-(
[13:11:20] <Dominus> Baldur's Gate 1 is also only played a couple of steps
[13:11:36] <Dominus> I think the last game I finished was SI
[13:11:43] <Dominus> as sad as it is
[13:11:47] <Colourless> what ever you do when you play DeusEx, do not play on Easy difficulty level. It's 'too' easy that way
[13:12:41] * Dominus is a big cheater anyway - can't help it, if there is a cheat I'm going to use it
[13:12:58] <Dominus> but mostly because I don't care much about fights
[13:14:07] <Dominus> but I'll play on normal or difficult because of it
[13:14:24] <Colourless> with de you'll totally ruin the game :-)
[13:14:44] <Dominus> de?
[13:15:01] <Colourless> otherwise known as deus ex or dx :-)
[13:15:33] <Colourless> then again, maybe not
[13:15:43] <Dominus> so cheating is a big no no with Deus Ex?
[13:16:19] <Colourless> yes and no
[13:17:04] <Colourless> in ways similar to thief much of the time you'd be trying to avoid getting into combat situations
[13:17:39] <Colourless> if you cheat there generally isn't anything stopping you from going in all guns blazing, when normally you'd end up being a very dead JC Denton
[13:18:22] <Colourless> cheating will also pretty much remove all Role playing apsects to the game. There will be no point to upgrading your skills or augmentaions
[13:18:43] <Colourless> additionally if you cheat there will be little reward for doing exploring
[13:19:51] <Dominus> ok, I see your point in comparing it to Thief
[13:20:02] <Dominus> but exploring is something I do always
[13:22:14] <Colourless> when I replayed dx i did a bit of ultima inspired crate stacking to get to places that i really wasn't meant to go
[13:22:41] <Dominus> and?
[13:23:50] <Colourless> the game was just attmpeting to block me from returning to an earlier part in a level (a fence blocks you) so i built a really really unstable stack of creates that I had to drag half way across the level
[13:25:58] <Colourless> crate stacking is actually something you'd probably find yourself doing quite a lot in the game, but just when exploring, or to get to places you need to go
[13:26:53] <Colourless> crates are also useful at blocking laser beams and hiding you from cameras and turrets
[13:27:53] <Dominus> well, I hope I'l get a chance to play it sometime
[13:28:21] <Dominus> now that the glide3 is so much improved I might actually enjoy it :-)
[13:38:08] <Dominus> anyway, got to go now
[13:38:10] <Dominus> bye
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[15:50:01] <wjp> hi
[15:50:04] <Colourless> hi
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[16:10:25] <Suvroc> hello
[16:10:30] <wjp> hi
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[17:50:33] <Suvroc> hi again
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[19:05:45] <artaxerxes> hi
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[19:06:30] <artaxerxes> to continue yesterday's conversation, having ogg support might be the next step for Zaurus
[19:09:55] <Suvroc> hi artaxerxes
[19:15:56] <artaxerxes> hi
[19:16:07] <artaxerxes> it's rather quiet in here today
[19:16:20] <artaxerxes> btw, Suvroc, what OS do you run ?
[19:16:30] <Suvroc> Windows ME
[19:16:40] <artaxerxes> you tried le_camomille.pl ?
[19:17:00] <Suvroc> i'm unzipping ActivePerl just know
[19:19:40] <artaxerxes> let me know if you have any questions
[19:20:19] <wjp> hi artaxerxes
[19:22:11] <Suvroc> where i must execute le_camomille.pl? at static directory ?
[19:22:36] <Suvroc> do i must use -prepare parameter ?
[19:24:24] <artaxerxes> once perl is installed, create a directory and copy in it the usecode file you want to study, as well as le_camomille.pl and wuc.exe and wud.exe
[19:24:50] <artaxerxes> edit the file le_camomille.pl so that the windows parameters are not commented but the linux ones are.
[19:25:12] <artaxerxes> ans then launch a dos prompt, cd to the directory and type:
[19:25:19] <artaxerxes> le_camomille.pl -prepare
[19:26:12] <Suvroc> wuc.exe and wud.exe ?
[19:26:53] <artaxerxes> they are found on the exult download page: Windows tools (I believe) in the development section
[19:27:07] <Suvroc> ok
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[20:23:39] <Suvroc> hi aain
[20:23:44] <Suvroc> artaxerxes, are you busy ?
[20:28:15] <artaxerxes> a bit yeah
[20:28:23] <artaxerxes> why ?
[20:28:43] <wjp> artaxerxes: I don't get that crash you mentioned on the forum (at (0x590,0x813))
[20:29:16] <Suvroc> don't worry, seems that the perl script doesn't work, but we will talk another day
[20:29:41] <Suvroc> (it doesn't work.. or surely i doesn't do to work correctly)
[20:30:56] <artaxerxes> wjp: I've just recompiled my tree, maybe the pb comes from there
[20:31:14] <artaxerxes> Suvroc: what happens when you launch the script ?
[20:31:19] <wjp> hm, now it did crash
[20:31:25] <wjp> and I was just standing there
[20:31:42] <wjp> maybe it has something to do with those legions of gazers firing at me.... hmm...
[20:31:59] <artaxerxes> the game actually locks hard
[20:32:12] <artaxerxes> they hypnotised the engine! :)
[20:32:16] <wjp> :-)
[20:32:38] <artaxerxes> or better: the legion of gazers have paralysed the engine
[20:34:21] <wjp> hm, it seems to be in an infinite loop in Actor::follow... (btw, Suvroc, artaxerxes, please do continue your conversation; don't mind me ;-) )
[20:35:21] <Suvroc> ok
[20:35:29] <Suvroc> err.. it gives me this messages
[20:35:35] <Suvroc> creating directories...done!
[20:35:42] <Suvroc> splitting usecode...Comand or file name invalid done!
[20:35:49] <Suvroc> disassembling UCs...readline() on closed filehandle INDEX at le_camomille.pl line 107. done!
[20:35:51] <Suvroc> splitting usecode...Comand or file name invalid done!
[20:35:59] <Suvroc> uch, sorry, that no
[20:36:06] <Suvroc> splitting UCs...readline() on closed filehandle INDEX at le_camomille.pl line 124. done!
[20:36:19] <Suvroc> [22:40] <Suvroc> creating directories...done!
[20:36:20] <Suvroc> [22:40] <Suvroc> splitting usecode...Comand or file name invalid done!
[20:36:20] <Suvroc> [22:40] <Suvroc> disassembling UCs...readline() on closed filehandle INDEX at le_camomille.pl line 107. done!
[20:36:23] <Suvroc> [22:41] <Suvroc> splitting UCs...readline() on closed filehandle INDEX at le_camomille.pl line 124. done!
[20:36:41] <Suvroc> those 4
[20:36:41] <Suvroc> sorry for the flood :(
[20:37:15] <Suvroc> it created 4 empty directories "code", "data", "french_data", "todo"
[20:37:58] <Suvroc> aps, and i changed those 4 files in the script
[20:37:58] <Suvroc> # Unix and Linux
[20:37:58] <Suvroc> #$LOCAL_PATH = "./";
[20:37:58] <Suvroc> #$SUBDIR_SEPARATOR = "/";
[20:37:58] <Suvroc> # Windows
[20:37:59] <Suvroc> $LOCAL_PATH = "";
[20:38:04] <Suvroc> $SUBDIR_SEPARATOR = "\\";
[20:38:05] <artaxerxes> that's because it cannot find wud and wuc. Are you sure they are in the local folder ?
[20:38:36] <artaxerxes> for fun, try to launch wud or wuc without any other parameters
[20:39:51] <Suvroc> umm, seems that they work correctly
[20:40:00] <artaxerxes> wjp: may I ask you what steps you took to identify the pb so quickly ?
[20:40:13] <wjp> I was wrong, btw :-)
[20:40:18] <wjp> the loop isn't there
[20:40:19] <Suvroc> i added the path where them are to the system path
[20:40:29] <Suvroc> it doesn't work too
[20:40:32] <artaxerxes> OF COURSE! I forgot to tell you to put "rip.exe" in the local directory too!
[20:40:43] <artaxerxes> sorry about that
[20:41:23] <wjp> anyway, I simply ran exult in gdb
[20:41:41] <wjp> then stop it a couple of times and see where it is
[20:42:08] <Suvroc> umm, seems that it is working perfectly now, thanks :)
[20:44:46] <artaxerxes> cool
[20:45:47] <Suvroc> umm, perfect
[20:46:08] <artaxerxes> in the directory todo will be the list of file to translate. As soon as you are done with one file (eg: the translation is done for that file), MOVE (to oppose with COPY) to the french_data (!) and type: "le_camomille.pl -creation" to generate a new usecode file with your newly translated text
[20:46:25] <Suvroc> i must look the asm code on code directory, or only text on the files of data directory ?
[20:47:10] <Suvroc> my todo dir is empty
[20:47:11] <artaxerxes> touch neither directory. They are your backups
[20:47:17] <artaxerxes> I see.
[20:47:35] <artaxerxes> Maybe you need to type: "le_camomille.pl -synchronise" BUT DON'T DO IT NOW!
[20:47:56] <artaxerxes> You need to edit the file le_camomille.pl first, so that no CVS commands will be used.
[20:49:06] <artaxerxes> there is even a better way
[20:49:25] <artaxerxes> copy the entire contentof the folder "data" into the folder "todo".
[20:50:02] <Suvroc> ok, done
[20:50:35] <artaxerxes> then choose one file in the "todo" dir, translate it and MOVE it to the "french_data" dir. Then type: "le_camomille.pl -creation" and it will generate a brand new usecode file. Just copy it to your U7 static directory (make sure you backed-up the orignal one)
[20:50:55] <artaxerxes> and start exult.
[20:51:14] <Suvroc> aps, ok
[20:51:17] <Suvroc> but err...
[20:51:26] <artaxerxes> btw, NEVER EVER type "le_camomille.pl -prepare" ANYMORE. DO NOT DO IT!
[20:51:40] <artaxerxes> it's a ONE-TIME THING
[20:51:48] <wjp> or you will destroy civilisation as we know it? ;-)
[20:52:10] <Suvroc> i am not going to translate it, only i want to see what is and what isn't tranlated on the spanish version
[20:52:32] <artaxerxes> you will mutate the gene that controls your peeing needs and will spend the rest of your life in the bathroom
[20:52:45] <artaxerxes> ah ok
[20:52:49] <artaxerxes> up to you
[20:52:53] <wjp> oh, that's kind of bad; better not run it again then ;-)
[20:53:11] <artaxerxes> you have the tools for translating now, in case you find a better wording for a phrase
[20:53:20] <artaxerxes> wjp: ;-)
[20:53:25] <Suvroc> thank you very much for the help
[20:53:50] <artaxerxes> welcome
[20:57:11] <wjp> artaxerxes: could you submit this crash to the bugtracker, btw?
[20:57:26] <artaxerxes> sure thing.
[20:57:41] <wjp> not exactly sure what triggers it, but it almost always triggers when walking around there a bit
[20:57:47] <artaxerxes> give me a few minutes as it appears I have a gene that mutated... ;)
[20:57:57] <wjp> hehe :-)
[20:57:59] <artaxerxes> brb
[21:00:11] <artaxerxes> back
[21:09:53] <artaxerxes> bugtracker report sent!
[21:12:42] <artaxerxes> that's a pretty severe one I think
[21:13:03] <artaxerxes> fortunately is does not happen in the normal playing area
[21:28:33] <artaxerxes> got to go..
[21:28:37] <artaxerxes> see ya later
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