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[04:53:15] <Euan> hello
[04:53:54] <Euan> if a bug ive posted to the bug tracker is no longer there, should i assume its been dealt with ingame?
[04:54:35] <Kirben> Check out the replies to bug
[04:55:05] <Euan> its not on the list anymore
[04:55:08] <Kirben> look in status closed section for your bug report.
[04:55:52] <Euan> ok, thanks
[04:56:32] <Kirben> I think it was http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=450785&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[04:56:42] <Kirben> which is mentioned in changelog as fixed
[04:57:21] <Euan> yes, thats the one
[04:57:32] <Euan> it was in changelog, you say?
[04:58:55] <Kirben> hmm looks like it was left out of changelog, fix was mentioned on cvs mailing list though:
[04:58:56] <Kirben> Fixed Emp/honey crash
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[05:00:01] <Kirben> http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/3636/50/6404686/
[05:01:10] <Euan--> ahh, great
[05:01:30] <Euan--> i was looking in the changelog on the downloads page
[05:01:34] <Euan--> and it wasnt there
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[05:10:25] <Kirben> Fixes aren't always mentioned in the changelog included with exult itself.
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[11:18:10] <wjp> hi
[11:41:51] <KrdZZZ> hallo
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[11:46:08] <wjp> hee, Nederlands :-)
[11:48:46] <]kreed[> zoiets
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[11:54:59] <wjp> hi Max
[11:55:01] <fingolfin> hi
[11:55:21] * fingolfin realls would love if the Apple Darwin bug tracker was *serachable*
[11:55:59] <wjp> serachable, eh? ;-)
[11:56:12] <fingolfin> bah
[11:56:19] <fingolfin> you know what I mean! ;)
[11:56:54] <fingolfin> I mean, check it out yourself: http://publicsource.apple.com/bugs/
[11:56:58] <fingolfin> what a mess!
[11:57:30] <wjp> hmm, indeed
[11:57:32] <]kreed[> everyone knows fruit attracts worms and bugs
[11:57:34] <]kreed[> :D
[11:57:41] <wjp> lol
[11:58:16] <fingolfin> anybody else read about flash worms today? ;)
[11:58:37] <wjp> flash worms?
[11:58:50] <fingolfin> http://publicsource.apple.com/bugs/X/BSD%20Kernel/2734739.html
[11:58:58] <fingolfin> nobody assigned to my bug, grrr
[11:59:15] <fingolfin> wjp: infect the whole web (well, all servers with holes) in 30 secs
[11:59:50] <fingolfin> http://www.silicondefense.com/flash
[12:00:55] <wjp> hmm, can't reach the site
[12:11:53] <fingolfin> hm, guess it is sort of a /. effect :/
[12:12:01] <fingolfin> wait maybe I have it in my cache or find another link
[12:14:05] <fingolfin> if you want to try to read a german article: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ju-19.08.01-000/
[12:14:33] <fingolfin> also (in english): http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/warhol.html
[12:15:17] <wjp> thx
[12:37:49] <fingolfin> hm, I just see that jeff has enabled a new rendering order? gotta try that out ;)
[12:38:15] <fingolfin> hrm, maybe we should remind him again not to do to much breakup ATM; or we will never get out a release!
[12:38:19] <fingolfin> and we really need one
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[13:03:12] <fingolfin> wjp: did you read about RMS & glibc 2.2.4 & Ulrich Drepper?
[13:03:39] <fingolfin> read http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-16-002-06-LT
[13:03:45] <fingolfin> search for "nice things" ;)
[13:08:36] <wjp> hehe :-)
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[14:09:41] <fingolfin> gotta go now, cya
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[14:22:46] <Colourless> hi
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[18:22:10] * wjp is back
[18:22:12] <wjp> hi Ryan
[18:22:22] <Colourless> hi
[18:37:13] <wjp> why do I get a "Interrupted system call" exception on quitting exult?
[18:37:29] <Colourless> don't look at me
[18:37:47] <wjp> what _is_ an interrupted system call exception for that matter?
[18:39:19] <wjp> bah, the buildmap option is kind of broken too
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[19:38:35] <sum1> hello
[19:38:41] <Colourless> hi
[19:39:20] <sum1> i screwed my boot-up when i install linux.AGGGHHH i have2 use a bootdisk!!!
[19:39:25] <sum1> sorry
[19:39:50] <sum1> *when i installed linux
[19:40:07] <sum1> how are things going 4 u guys anyway?
[19:40:16] <Colourless> ok
[19:40:37] <sum1> can u expand on that?
[19:40:52] <Colourless> no ;)
[19:41:12] <sum1> :P
[19:41:15] <sum1> oh well
[19:41:47] <sum1> would YOU have any ideas on how2 fix my prob??
[19:42:07] <Colourless> no. I don't use Linux
[19:42:23] <sum1> damn
[19:42:24] <wjp> hi
[19:42:31] <sum1> hello
[19:42:36] <wjp> what's the problem exactly?
[19:42:45] <sum1> well i installed lilo
[19:42:55] <wjp> ie. what happens when you boot w/o a bootdisk?
[19:43:16] <sum1> it types lil and crashes
[19:43:24] <sum1> but i wanna boot into windows
[19:43:28] <wjp> sounds familiar
[19:43:32] <wjp> why?? ;-)
[19:43:55] <sum1> coz linux redhat 6.2 wont support my 3d card
[19:44:02] <wjp> 6.2? that's pretty old
[19:44:05] <sum1> and im getting 8.0 soon tho
[19:44:10] <wjp> k
[19:44:21] <wjp> anyway, back to lilo
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[19:44:32] <fingolfin> lo
[19:44:36] <Colourless> hi
[19:44:42] <wjp> could you give me a short summary of your /etc/lilo.conf?
[19:44:43] <wjp> hi Max
[19:45:00] <sum1> nope linux has gone......
[19:45:23] <wjp> oh, you removed the partition but forgot to remove lilo?
[19:45:36] <sum1> yep silly me
[19:45:58] <wjp> do you have a dos bootdisk (with fdisk) ?
[19:46:08] <fingolfin> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-17-016-20-OP-CY
[19:46:11] <sum1> no
[19:46:42] <wjp> how did you boot now exactly? windows?
[19:46:46] <sum1> ok.....
[19:46:56] <sum1> boot disk
[19:47:02] <wjp> do you have access to any fdisk.exe?
[19:47:05] <sum1> its really annoying tho
[19:47:20] <sum1> yep
[19:47:27] <sum1> found it
[19:47:28] <wjp> try "fdisk /mbr"
[19:47:30] <Colourless> windows\command should have fdisk
[19:47:47] <sum1> i just found it there ..thanx
[19:48:35] <sum1> ok it just closed straight away
[19:49:00] <wjp> that's ok
[19:49:49] <sum1> and i have an incoorect ms-dos version damnit
[19:50:13] <Colourless> what dos version is the boot disk?
[19:50:18] <wjp> does your bootdisk have fdisk.exe? (could also be in D: or E: or something)
[19:50:38] <Colourless> what version of windows are you using?
[19:50:43] <sum1> yeah its master bootdisk
[19:50:47] <sum1> win98 SE
[19:51:20] <wjp> if all else fails you can always make a new bootdisk I guess
[19:51:28] <Colourless> and the bootdisk was made in which os?
[19:51:38] <sum1> win98 se
[19:51:45] <Colourless> odd. should work
[19:51:50] <sum1> but master boot disk has its own prompt
[19:52:54] <sum1> well i g2g guys thanx 4 all tha help c ya
[19:53:01] <wjp> good luck
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[19:53:32] * wjp wonders why he came to this channel
[19:53:52] <Colourless> is probably an exult fan
[19:56:23] <wjp> fingolfin: nice article
[19:57:40] <fingolfin> wjp: yeah, I think so
[19:58:23] <fingolfin> wjp: esp. after I read about the arguments between RMS and Ulrich Drepper today
[20:14:35] <wjp> so, think we should remove the "or any later version" for our legal header? :-)
[20:21:22] <fingolfin> hmmm ;)
[20:21:40] <fingolfin> well, I donīt really care that much ATM. We have not given our copyright to the FSF either
[20:21:50] <fingolfin> we can at any point change the license if we want to
[20:22:45] <wjp> yeah, true
[20:23:22] <fingolfin> lol, you know Diablo-D3 from #sdl? To bad I put him onto my ignore list some days ago..
[20:23:33] <fingolfin> know I miss all the fun, I think they are gone to perma ban him in a moment ;)
[20:23:36] <fingolfin> s/know/now
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[20:32:54] <wjp> couldn't connect to any of the irc.openprojects.net IP's, somehow
[20:33:06] <wjp> so I switched it to eu.openprojects.net
[20:33:24] <fingolfin> hm, had this same problem in the past, too, on some occasions
[20:39:51] <fingolfin> gosh, I still havenīt looked at the new rendering! wonder if it fixes the statue in the museum
[20:40:17] <wjp> it does
[20:40:54] <fingolfin> cool!
[20:40:57] <Colourless> it is supposed to be broken in other places though
[20:41:14] <fingolfin> I read his email, yeah
[20:42:06] <fingolfin> that reminds me, I wanted to get a Makefile build system for the OS X binary working; ideally in such a way that it can become part of the SDL m4 macro package, hmmm
[20:48:32] <wjp> fingolfin: no log message? tsk tsk ;-)
[20:48:48] <fingolfin> ;) sorry
[20:49:22] <Colourless> no changelog either. WTF did he do?!?
[20:49:32] <fingolfin> muwahaha, youīll never discover
[20:49:32] <wjp> diff -r1.337 -r1.338
[20:49:32] <wjp> 220a221,224
[20:49:32] <wjp> > catch( const quit_exception & e )
[20:49:32] <wjp> > {
[20:49:32] <wjp> > result = 0;
[20:49:33] <wjp> > }
[20:49:36] <fingolfin> unless you use cvs diff or ask me ,)
[20:49:49] <fingolfin> I made it not say "exception caught" when quitting normally ;)
[20:50:09] <wjp> ah, so you caused those annoying messages :-)
[20:50:59] <wjp> much better now
[20:51:25] <fingolfin> no it is all, uhm, Kefkaīs fault, because, uhm, he didnīt made Dominus remind me of fixing it
[20:51:27] <fingolfin> *cough*
[20:51:41] <fingolfin> and chimera|wookin gave them support all the time for not rebuking me, so I am innocent
[20:52:45] * wjp nods and slowly moves closer to fingolfin, hiding a large trout behind his back
[20:53:13] <fingolfin> uhmmmmm
[20:53:44] * fingolfin grins innocently back at wjp, expecting nothing, as he is guiltess like a newborn
[20:54:04] <wjp> I think the word is "innocent" ;-)
[20:54:45] <fingolfin> pfff
[20:55:03] <fingolfin> hm, in gamedat.cc, we define SavefileFromDataSource as static, but nowhere use it?!?
[20:56:00] <wjp> oh, Ryan used a different mechanism for saving the screenshot/data?
[20:56:48] <fingolfin> no idea...
[20:57:07] * fingolfin adds a virtual destructor to ShapeID to make the compile happy and prevent some future problems
[20:57:49] <wjp> ah, the saveinfo + screenshot are just saved in a gamedat file
[20:58:56] <wjp> my original idea was to use a DataSource for that
[21:00:28] <fingolfin> IC
[21:07:52] <Colourless> saveinfo and screenshot are just saved like everything else in gamedat. There's nothing special about them, except them must be entries 0 and 1 in the savegame
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[21:30:25] <Kefka> eh?
[21:31:11] <Kefka> hmm.. its ALWAYS my fault! :)
[21:31:28] <wjp> heh :-)
[21:31:34] <fingolfin> Kefka: not true. usually it is my mum, but I figured it was easier for her to hit me than for you
[21:31:52] <Kefka> beware of the trout
[21:32:17] <wjp> what trout? *looks around innocent*
[21:33:13] * Kefka slaps exultbot around a bit with a large trout
[21:33:31] * fingolfin pats his petrified trout lovingly
[21:33:38] <Kefka> oops, sorry bout that exultbot, was aiming for fingolfin
[21:33:47] <fingolfin> you call that a trout?
[21:33:52] * exultbot dons his helmet +2 vs trout-attack
[21:34:15] <fingolfin> *this* is a trout
[21:34:17] <fingolfin> |_ _| __ ___ _ _| |_
[21:34:18] <fingolfin> | || '__/ _ \| | | | __|
[21:34:18] <fingolfin> | || | | (_) | |_| | |_
[21:34:18] <fingolfin> |_||_| \___/ \__,_|\__|
[21:34:25] <Kefka> heh
[21:34:42] <fingolfin> ok, I better stop trolling before I gotta kick myself from this channel;)
[21:36:09] <wjp> ;-)
[21:36:15] <wjp> I can do it for you if you want? ;-)
[21:37:57] <fingolfin> nah it is ok, I just had a talke with me and promised to not do it again
[21:38:09] <fingolfin> hm, rendering in the museum is really better now! the horn is drawn right, too
[21:42:22] <fingolfin> uhm, starting a new game in SI is sort of broken, from a graphical POV at least...
[21:42:48] <fingolfin> first, wrong palette while plasma is showing, then fade out, then fade in, with shore visible + avatar visible, then fade out, then shore w/o avatar
[21:42:49] <fingolfin> weird
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[21:49:00] <wjp> hi
[21:49:12] <Alorelith> Greetings.
[21:49:48] <Alorelith> How's the world of Exult faring?
[21:50:25] <wjp> pretty good
[21:51:04] <Alorelith> I can never seem to get the tools to compile.
[21:51:27] <Alorelith> ucclex.l: In function `yylex':
[21:51:27] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:12: `VOID' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:27] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:12: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[21:51:27] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:12: for each function it appears in.)
[21:51:28] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:13: `UVAR' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:30] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:14: `EQUALS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:32] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:15: `PLUS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:34] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:16: `MINUS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:36] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:17: `OBRACE' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:38] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:18: `CBRACE' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:40] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:19: `OBRACKET' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:42] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:20: `CBRACKET' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:44] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:21: `COMMA' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:52] <wjp> sounds like an incompatible version of bison/flex
[21:51:52] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:22: `IF' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:52] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:23: `THEN' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:52] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:24: `ELSE' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:52] <Alorelith> ucclex.l:26: `ID' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:51:54] <Alorelith> uccparse.y: In function `main':
[21:51:56] <Alorelith> uccparse.y:37: warning: implicit declaration of function `yyparse'
[21:52:06] <Alorelith> y.tab.c: In function `yyparse':
[21:52:07] <Alorelith> y.tab.c:163: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value
[21:52:07] <Alorelith> y.tab.c:212: warning: label `yyerrlab' defined but not used
[21:52:07] <Alorelith> y.tab.c:207: warning: label `yynewerror' defined but not used
[21:52:07] <Alorelith> y.tab.c: At top level:
[21:52:08] <Alorelith> ./uccparse.c:2: warning: `yysccsid' defined but not used
[21:52:10] <Alorelith> I get that stuff.
[21:52:12] <Alorelith> :)
[21:52:20] <Alorelith> I looked through old exult logs, but apparently little was mentioned except disabling the usecode compiler.
[21:52:38] <wjp> what versions of flex & bison are you using?
[21:52:58] <wjp> and on what platform?
[21:53:09] <Alorelith> Debian Linux...
[21:53:14] <Alorelith> flex is 2.5.4a-11
[21:53:21] <Alorelith> hrm, bison isn't installed
[21:53:33] <wjp> yacc then?
[21:53:57] <Alorelith> I'll get it quick and see what happens :)
[21:54:38] <Alorelith> I've been upgrading recently, so things aren't as they should be.
[21:55:54] <Alorelith> Still.
[21:56:32] <Alorelith> This is the latest CVS snapshot, perchance it's broken.
[21:56:37] <wjp> nah, not likely
[21:56:43] <Alorelith> I doubt it though.
[21:56:45] <wjp> that code hasn't been touched in a while
[21:56:52] <wjp> do you have yacc installed too?
[21:57:11] <Alorelith> bison and flex
[21:57:11] <Alorelith> yacc is a sym link to bison
[21:57:30] <wjp> try a clean make in the usecode/compiler dir.
[21:58:06] <Alorelith> Nope.
[21:59:44] <wjp> oh... wait a sec... this is the 'other' compiler...
[21:59:54] <fingolfin> didnīt play Patrick with that just recently?
[21:59:55] <wjp> try a clean make in the tools dir.
[21:59:57] <fingolfin> i.e. this week?
[22:00:05] <Alorelith> I just tried, didn't do anything either.
[22:00:21] <Alorelith> I downloaded the exult debian package, and it brought along gcc-3.0 base
[22:00:42] <Alorelith> But that's a totally different problem...
[22:00:52] <wjp> argh... really?
[22:01:23] <fingolfin> wjp: would you mind stating your context? ;)
[22:01:38] <wjp> fingolfin: the gcc-3.0 thing
[22:01:51] <fingolfin> that is weird indeed
[22:02:09] <Alorelith> the compiler itself wasn't installed, I don't think, and it's not using it to compile here.
[22:02:10] <wjp> fingolfin: I don't particularly mind Patrick working on his (de)compiler :-)
[22:02:35] <Alorelith> Nah.
[22:02:41] <Alorelith> It's only the docs for it anyway.
[22:02:43] <Alorelith> Ignore that.
[22:03:37] <fingolfin> ;)
[22:03:49] <Alorelith> Hmm.
[22:03:54] <Alorelith> it compiles in the .93alpha4
[22:04:09] <Alorelith> this time the usecode compiler barfs.
[22:04:18] <Alorelith> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I./.. -I./../../files -I./../.. -O2 -Wno-long-long --pedantic -c ucparse.cc
[22:04:18] <Alorelith> ucparse.yy: In function `int yyparse()':
[22:04:18] <Alorelith> ucparse.yy:415: `sprintf' undeclared (first use this function)
[22:04:18] <Alorelith> ucparse.yy:415: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[22:04:19] <Alorelith> ucparse.yy:415: for each function it appears in.)
[22:04:24] <fingolfin> well, you want to get it, or you just want the game itself?
[22:04:58] <Alorelith> I can get the game to work (serpent isle), U7 still SDL Parachutes on me.
[22:05:19] <Alorelith> That's not that big of a problem.
[22:05:31] <Alorelith> I mainly want to try out Exult Studio
[22:06:09] <Alorelith> if I disable-tools, can I still build exult studio?
[22:06:25] <wjp> hmm
[22:06:28] * wjp checks configure.in
[22:06:49] <wjp> nope
[22:07:20] <Alorelith> Doh./
[22:07:30] <wjp> but you can always just remove ucc from tools/Makefile.am
[22:07:39] <Alorelith> fair enough.
[22:07:48] <wjp> (remove "$(UCC)" from the "EXTRATOOLS=" line)
[22:15:00] <Alorelith> Almost
[22:15:12] <Alorelith> Just need to get some more library files and it should all work.
[22:20:22] <Alorelith> Everything is built.
[22:20:28] <Alorelith> Exult studio doesn't seem to run.
[22:20:31] <Alorelith> But I'll figure that out.
[22:21:00] <wjp> are you running it from a dir. that contains the .glade file?
[22:21:04] <fingolfin> hmm, I really should try to get ExultStudio running on OS X.... but no! I first have to get SDL working better!
[22:21:11] * fingolfin forces himself to do work again
[22:21:17] <Alorelith> .glade file?
[22:21:34] <wjp> exult_studio.glade
[22:21:50] <Alorelith> Ok.
[22:21:51] <Alorelith> Got it
[22:22:03] <Alorelith> I figured I had to run it from the program directory.
[22:25:10] <Alorelith> Thanks
[22:25:11] <Alorelith> I'm off.
[22:25:17] <wjp> k, bye
[22:25:22] <fingolfin> cya
[22:25:27] <-- Alorelith has left IRC (Drawing Down the Moon!)
[22:27:07] <wjp> time for me to go too
[22:27:09] <wjp> g'night
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