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[00:00:16] <Dominus> hmm, I guess that would take you about 8-10 minutes
[00:00:17] <eviltar> http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2826/exult.png
[00:00:37] <Dominus> nice
[00:00:39] <eviltar> what do you guys think of that as some background art?
[00:01:49] <Dominus> looks really nice
[00:02:05] <Malignant_Manor> only 1280x1024 here
[00:02:50] <eviltar> sorry straight out of photoshop
[00:03:02] <eviltar> for the full res copy
[00:03:20] <Malignant_Manor> my desktop is small
[00:03:55] <eviltar> FFox is scaling it down for me
[00:04:13] <eviltar> this desktop is only 1680x1050
[00:04:52] <Malignant_Manor> The font doesn't seem too well anti-aliased
[00:05:43] <Malignant_Manor> The second vertical line of the "U" looks messed up.
[00:06:47] <Dominus> and it's annoying that the baker talks :)
[00:07:32] <Malignant_Manor> Hey, I like to know the state of the bread.
[00:08:07] <Malignant_Manor> It's going to be a bit fun getting the ini system to compile in Exult.
[00:08:34] <Dominus> Are you seriously taking on the ini system?
[00:08:45] <Malignant_Manor> I'm looking at it. http://pastebin.com/E43300sx
[00:09:04] <Malignant_Manor> There's a bunch of console messages I commented out.
[00:10:46] <Malignant_Manor> I don't think I'm going to look at it more today.
[00:11:07] <Dominus> ballsy
[00:11:24] <Malignant_Manor> I definitely need to look at some headers I commented out and compare them to Exult.
[00:11:49] <Dominus> thanks for the quick fix for the menu
[00:12:07] <Malignant_Manor> I shouldn't of made the mistake in the first place.
[00:12:21] <Dominus> oh well :)
[00:12:57] <Dominus> maybe you should start a new branch for the ini stuff, so you can experiment but still keeping it versioned
[00:13:35] <Malignant_Manor> I would need to get it compiled first.
[00:13:49] <Dominus> true, at least that
[00:14:36] <Dominus> but then for testing how it behaves on different systems a branch might be good,so you don't destroy trunk in the going :)
[00:15:53] <Malignant_Manor> This will mainly be an issue because I doubt that people would like me breaking backwards compatibility.
[00:17:14] <Dominus> I do like you breaking backwards compatibility
[00:17:43] <Malignant_Manor> Not really, but it is not nice keeping all the old configuration data.
[00:18:01] <Dominus> you need to program a converter to convert xml to ini :)
[00:18:23] <Dominus> seriously, if we do this we should break backward compatibility
[00:18:47] <Malignant_Manor> It should be simple to keep it.
[00:19:05] <Dominus> because I'm certainly not keeping the xml cfg stuff in the docs :)
[00:19:22] <Malignant_Manor> That can go.
[00:19:31] <Malignant_Manor> It will be converted.
[00:19:56] <Dominus> yes, conversion is good.
[00:21:02] <Malignant_Manor> The installer part might be a pain.
[00:21:49] <Dominus> one of the reasons why I think a clean break might do good
[00:22:20] <Dominus> it doesn't take too long to setup Exult the way it was before, even now when you do a fresh install
[00:22:46] <Malignant_Manor> This should have been done in May 2004.
[00:23:09] <Malignant_Manor> wjp showed Pentagram love but not Exult
[00:23:33] <Dominus> there is probably a conversation about it somewhere :)
[00:24:05] <Dominus> back then I had already given up lobbying for a different system for Exult
[00:24:49] <Dominus> but for Pentagram with no release it was much easier to lobby an ini system :)
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[00:29:36] <Malignant_Manor> Whenever you get the change, get the list of what you want in the menus and where to position them.
[00:31:05] <Malignant_Manor> Colourless: Are there any issues with using a sample rate other than 22050 or 11025?
[00:31:28] <Dominus> can't think of much except for the scroll thingy from misc options to gameplay options and moving some other over
[00:31:48] <Colourless> issues not really
[00:33:10] <Dominus> eviltar: if you haven't tried your hands on SVN yet, you really should. Revision 6321sounds like something related to your sfx problem: * audio/RawAudioSample.cc : Fixing crashes on PPC Macs
[00:33:12] <Colourless> ideally should mix at the highest rate possible OR at the rate that is an exact multiple of the sounds that are playing, that is 22050 for the music and sfx packs
[00:34:43] <Malignant_Manor> is there any gain having it at 44100?
[00:34:47] <eviltar> nice ill check it out
[00:35:33] <eviltar> the sfx wavs are at 44100 i think
[00:35:39] <eviltar> in the roland pack
[00:35:45] <Colourless> i personally have mine set to 48000 just cause its the 'ideal' rate for my system so i dont get resampling twice.
[00:36:18] <Malignant_Manor> What settings would you recommend for a menu?
[00:36:37] <Colourless> Yes there is an advantage to the higher sampling rates. Voice will probably should better as they are vocs and have odd sampling rates. Also the soft midi synths in exult will sounds A LOT better
[00:36:56] <Colourless> 11050, 22050, 44100, 48000
[00:37:25] <Malignant_Manor> I'll probably leave out the stereo option.
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[00:38:01] <Malignant_Manor> Do you have any idea how to get the chorus and reverb to work?
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[00:39:10] <eviltar> i thought they were working i'll hae to listen again
[00:39:18] <Colourless> i would need to check the code to see what its doing. then need to check on synth that supports it
[00:40:01] <Malignant_Manor> That's one problem I have. I don't know if I even have something that would work.
[00:40:28] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus didn't notice anything on his MT-32 but I don't think it supports chorus
[00:40:54] <Colourless> MT-32 doen's support reverb and chorus controllers
[00:41:20] <Malignant_Manor> I thought it read reverb from sysex.
[00:42:43] <Malignant_Manor> or does it always use default?
[00:46:26] <eviltar> idk if you guys would be interested
[00:46:48] <eviltar> but theres some guys that have been improving MUNT the mt32 emu used in dosbox
[00:47:23] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus and I have posted in the thread.
[00:47:44] <eviltar> cool
[00:47:54] <Malignant_Manor> The is a patch folder where I modified the patch (version 5?) for Exult.
[00:47:56] <eviltar> i saw a patch for it a while back
[00:48:35] <Malignant_Manor> The patch of his that I put on the tracker has problems that he has fixed from feedback.
[00:49:21] <Malignant_Manor> I also need to look at the Scummvm code more.
[00:50:42] <Malignant_Manor> I'd probably have Colourless take a look at it before it gets incorporated.
[00:51:35] <eviltar> it sounded like whatever patch i was looking at offered some improved speed
[00:52:04] <Malignant_Manor> Not over Exult
[00:52:32] <eviltar> although im at the point in by build where I (finally) need to turn down the framerate
[00:52:44] <eviltar> even with mt32emu
[00:53:02] <Malignant_Manor> Well, not in the code that is in Exult anyway.
[00:53:19] <eviltar> yeah, im not complaining :)
[00:53:25] <Malignant_Manor> I didn't really look at the incorporation into dosbox.
[00:54:33] <eviltar> someone ported dosbox to the 360, but its an old build, no sockets, i cant remember how well midi works in it
[00:55:30] <eviltar> i was looking at freshening that up a bit
[00:55:59] <eviltar> but i was looking at scummvm too, so now idk where i saw that patch :P
[00:59:51] <eviltar> haha i see one of Dominus's posts on Vogons
[01:00:19] <eviltar> "yes, scummvm has been using exult/pentagram code..."
[01:05:46] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus, for documentation, 0 - 127 are the values for reverb and chorus.
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[10:48:55] * Dominus is annoyed by the documentation work
[10:57:56] <Dominus> hmm, don't like the current cfg stuff for video settings. Both fullscreen and windows should be under it's tags, currently only the windows settings are and the fullscreen are the default
[10:58:04] <Dominus> looks a bit messy
[11:09:30] <Dominus> aaarrrggghhh it's starting to look really messy
[11:09:53] <Dominus> changing video settings in the cfg is no fun at all anymore
[11:10:01] <Dominus> well, it never was :)
[11:42:05] <Dominus> hmm, need to speak about this to malignant.
[11:43:05] <Dominus> the "it would be nice for some people to be able to define different settings for fullscreen/windows mode" became a "we force ALL people to define different settings for fullscreen/windows mode"
[11:43:44] <Dominus> I wasn't aware of this until I wrote the docs
[11:44:33] <Dominus> a button with "different modes for fullscreen/windows" would be good to enable this
[11:44:50] <Dominus> by default we should have one set of settings
[11:45:08] <Dominus> only if a user wishes to different settings
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[13:56:57] <Dominus> eviltar, I'm mentioning the Xbox 360 port in the FAQ. What name should I write down for you? Eviltar, randprint, YOURREALNAME?
[14:03:33] <Getty> xbox 360 port? cool :) i dont owe one but sounds cool
[14:05:03] <Getty> does the handling work with a pad? or do you actually need a keyboard then?
[14:05:03] <Dominus> yes, eviltar is in the progress of porting it. There are some videos on youtube already
[14:05:20] <Dominus> you need to ask him when he is actually here :)
[14:05:34] <Getty> but funny that someone makes the port who had no idea of the shortcut!!!!
[14:05:59] <Dominus> it's not an Exult team effort so we have no real idea how he does and how the input works
[14:07:24] <Getty> god damn.... 6400 XP required for level 8
[14:09:41] <Getty> jaana got 2277 XP now....
[14:09:48] <Getty> it will take YEARS 8-)
[14:09:53] <Getty> shamino is now my top with 4883
[14:10:02] <Getty> years...........
[14:14:05] <Colourless> if i'm not mistaken eviltars 360 port will require a jtag hacked console to use. Its not really something that the average user will be able to actually use
[14:22:22] <Getty> damn it
[14:22:29] <Getty> triple crossbows really waste bolts 8-)
[14:22:47] <Getty> i really need to gather all magic axes, together with the juggernaut hammer i can equip the complete team
[14:29:09] <Getty> and crash again.... :-/ hmpf
[14:34:47] <eviltar> Cancerous1^^
[14:35:02] <Dominus> k :)
[14:35:04] <eviltar> and the controls were a PITA to work out
[14:35:45] <eviltar> i can get keyboard to work on it but they stripped all the mouse functions out from their release libraries
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[15:11:48] <Dominus> updated docs with new gump stuff but will not update the website and the screenshots just yet, because things might change slightly and I'd rather wait first
[15:24:57] <eviltar> "Colourless: if i'm not mistaken eviltars 360 port will require a jtag hacked console to use."
[15:25:00] <eviltar> true
[15:25:15] <eviltar> theyre hard to find, sometimes, craigslist is a good source
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[18:39:05] <eviltar> :P http://i55.tinypic.com/wbx56r.jpg
[18:39:43] <Getty> hehe
[18:39:53] <Getty> anyone a suggestion how i can find out how many gold i got in a chest? ;)
[18:40:15] <eviltar> give the chest to a party member and use th abacus?
[18:40:21] <Getty> too heavy
[18:40:29] <Getty> even if i make the strongest man naked
[18:40:38] <eviltar> turn on the cheats for a second
[18:41:02] <Getty> ok activated, and now?
[18:41:25] <eviltar> give the chest to a party member and use th abacus?
[18:41:30] <Getty> btw the chest is "full" of gold (i cant put more in there)
[18:41:51] <Getty> ah if i activate cheats automatically they all have overpower?
[18:42:08] <eviltar> ? are we still talking abotu gold in chests?
[18:42:23] <Getty> yes overpower as in: strong enough to lift it
[18:42:29] <eviltar> hackmover?
[18:42:46] <Getty> ah ok, sorry, i have no clue what the cheats can do
[18:43:15] <Getty> awesome!
[18:43:18] <Getty> 10.000 gold exactly
[18:43:24] <Getty> in one chest you can pack exactly 10.000 gold
[18:44:21] <eviltar> good to know
[18:44:31] <Getty> yeah thought so
[18:44:40] <Getty> and it weights around 90 stones
[18:44:50] <Getty> (dont wanted to make the dude naked now just for knowing)
[18:44:53] <eviltar> i thougth there was a way to see the weight of an item in stones
[18:45:02] <Getty> mh if you find out tell me
[18:45:14] <eviltar> maybe im thinkign of Ultima 6
[18:45:28] <Getty> i would more likely want to understand the "store in store" limits
[18:45:38] <Getty> like you cant put 2 little bags in a backpack
[18:45:44] <Getty> put you can put a bag in a bag
[18:45:50] <Getty> but
[18:46:10] <eviltar> idk
[18:46:17] <Getty> yeah not that important ;)
[18:46:23] <eviltar> its hard to choose
[18:46:25] <Getty> so.... i got 10.000 gold
[18:46:31] <Getty> wow.....
[18:46:36] <Getty> cant do much with it lol
[18:46:38] <eviltar> untill you turn off hackmover cheat :P
[18:46:52] <Getty> i got the chest on my carpet
[18:46:54] <eviltar> what's there to buy?
[18:47:09] <Getty> so far i just buy food and bolts to make them magical
[18:47:11] <eviltar> food, ammo
[18:47:17] <eviltar> yeah
[18:47:27] <Getty> sometimes i waste money for healer
[18:47:33] <Getty> cause he is on the way between dungeon and town
[18:47:46] <Getty> spare the mana, you know ;)
[18:47:58] <eviltar> i dont like stocking up on reagents
[18:48:17] <Getty> i did, but i dont need much
[18:48:19] <eviltar> potions and weapons ftw
[18:48:24] <Getty> yeah potions.............
[18:48:29] <Getty> i got a huge backpack
[18:48:32] <Getty> just full of potions
[18:48:34] <Getty> all colors
[18:48:36] <Getty> and i never use them
[18:48:42] <eviltar> haha
[18:48:52] <eviltar> i lost karma for using a black potion on a dragon
[18:49:02] <Getty> ah karma yes, how i can see it?
[18:49:07] <eviltar> idk
[18:49:08] <Getty> i know there was a trick in the original game
[18:49:12] <Getty> mh ok
[18:49:24] <eviltar> iolo will run out on you when you lose enough of it
[18:49:47] <Getty> yeah but i'm anyway a good avatar
[18:49:49] <eviltar> <--
[18:49:57] <Getty> yeah ;)
[18:50:02] <Getty> dropping iolo? ;)
[18:50:04] <Getty> more cool team?
[18:50:05] <Getty> ;)
[18:50:07] <eviltar> i was good in ultima 4
[18:50:17] <Getty> i started with ultima 5
[18:50:20] <Getty> ultima 4 was too bad for me
[18:50:24] <eviltar> start with 3
[18:50:31] <Getty> cause i played a german RPG at this with which was the same quality as ultima 4
[18:50:32] <eviltar> exodus :D
[18:50:35] <Getty> but had much better storyline
[18:50:42] <eviltar> really?
[18:50:45] <eviltar> called?
[18:50:45] <Getty> but Ultima 5 was awesome!
[18:50:54] <Getty> Die Dunkle Dimension
[18:51:03] <Getty> as said: german
[18:51:47] <eviltar> that looks like ultima 3
[18:52:11] <Getty> but the options are like ultima 4
[18:53:44] <eviltar> did you play The Fall?
[18:53:55] <eviltar> german RPG
[18:54:03] <Getty> nope
[18:54:20] <eviltar> they didnt release it in other languages
[18:54:40] <Getty> i played much Land of the red dragon ;)
[18:58:33] <eviltar> it was made by SilverStyle, good rpg if you liked fallout
[18:59:33] <eviltar> Fall: Last Days of Gaia
[18:59:49] <eviltar> looks like they are out of business now :(
[19:01:13] <Getty> i'm so stucked to Ultima5 and 7
[19:01:28] <Getty> i never touched any other RPG since Ultima 5
[19:01:36] <Getty> (beside ultima 7)
[19:01:44] <Getty> ultima 6 is a pure failure, we all know ;)
[19:01:52] <eviltar> lmao
[19:01:55] <eviltar> not
[19:02:06] <eviltar> best game of all time
[19:02:25] <Getty> what?
[19:02:29] <Getty> better then 5 and 7 ?
[19:02:31] <Getty> you must be nuts!
[19:02:36] <Getty> you are C R A Z Y!
[19:02:38] <eviltar> maybe i am :D
[19:03:01] <Getty> i'm just watching house, he cant help you!
[19:03:48] <eviltar> hahaha, try asking Iolo about spam in any other game :P
[19:04:46] <eviltar> or having a mouse as a party member
[19:04:54] <Getty> yeah but still.....
[19:05:00] <Getty> the interface is so.....
[19:05:01] <Getty> so..........
[19:05:03] <Getty> baeh
[19:05:15] <eviltar> or equipping two cannons to fight with :P
[19:05:18] <Getty> lol
[19:05:33] <Getty> i dont want cannons! its pervert!
[19:05:57] <eviltar> i think the glass sword looks better in u6 too :P
[19:06:48] <eviltar> the hot air ballon,
[19:07:26] <eviltar> each to their own :)
[19:08:09] <Getty> better tell me how i get more XP
[19:08:32] <Getty> slaying a dragon all 5 sec. is not good enough!
[19:08:48] <eviltar> its supposed to take time :)
[19:09:12] <eviltar> you dont learn to be a good avatar over one day :P
[19:09:42] <Getty> :-P already played it often enough lol, but seriously, i would like to see level 9, but that means some HUGE amount on XP
[19:09:57] <Getty> so far i still climb for level 8 even but level 9 feels impossible but i wanna see it hehe ;)
[19:10:46] <eviltar> hmm, use exult studio to make an area with 100 dragons ?
[19:10:55] <Getty> no no, thats too much cheating
[19:11:05] <Getty> i wanna get there somehow real
[19:11:12] <Getty> as in finding out what is the best way to get XP
[19:11:17] <eviltar> keep grinding
[19:11:26] <Getty> right now i got a dungeon which has 0-3 dragons at some first hall
[19:11:32] <Getty> so i go back and for all the time
[19:11:33] <Getty> slaying them
[19:11:42] <eviltar> grind grind grind
[19:11:42] <Getty> normally i dont lose any hit points at all in the team
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[23:29:16] <Getty> i got an evil question
[23:30:30] <Getty> could it be that the randomizing concept is a bit bound to the "system" exult runs on?
[23:30:57] <Getty> i mean, i slay dragons since some time on my laptop today when it didnt crashed ;) hehe
[23:31:23] <Getty> now i switched to the eeepc on my bed, and the number of dragons on that specific dungeonplace i reuse all the time is totally different then on my laptop
[23:32:03] <Getty> i mean could be random, clear, but since 20-30 runs i never had 3 dragons, on my laptop every 2nd run was 3 dragons, other around with 2 dragons
[23:32:10] <Getty> yeah yeah COULD be random
[23:32:30] <Getty> i just ask... if there could be something
[23:37:56] <Getty> i mean its cool, 3 dragons are a bit too much sometimes and now they never appear :D hehe
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[23:53:21] <Getty> damn crashing again so often
[23:53:26] <Getty> on eeepc more often definitly
[23:53:44] <Getty> from stable release to svn on laptop was giving me definitly less crashs
[23:53:54] <Getty> but now the svn on eeepc gives me again more crashs
[23:54:16] <Getty> dont know if that helps in anyway ;) oh what could help: i saw some times that before it crashs he aalso makes errors on the map displays
[23:54:37] <Getty> like that specific walls are missing (like you removed them with hackmover) and tiles are displayed blacked
[23:54:52] <Getty> but very rare (and stable, they stay wrong)
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