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[12:11:10] <Dominus> hi
[12:13:28] <Dominus> Nadir, thanks for volunteering me :-)
[12:17:22] <Nadir> :) No problem !
[12:18:40] <Dominus> thanks for putting up the note to see the FAQ b4 posting
[12:18:48] <Dominus> it was already needed
[12:23:49] <Nadir> that forum is quite lively again :)
[12:24:08] <Dominus> nice to see that activity again
[12:24:18] <Dominus> I wonder what those people did without it :-)
[12:25:22] <Nadir> they're always complaining about the same things, though...
[12:25:37] <Dominus> yep, they do :-(
[12:25:51] <Dominus> and not reading anything beforehand
[12:26:18] <Dominus> I had my laughs that no one from the team responded to the Ultima8 thread yet
[12:27:23] <Dominus> Nadir, what do you think, should I merge those readme.OS in one xml?
[12:27:42] <Nadir> yes. one file is enough. There aren't many differences in there anyway.
[12:29:13] <Dominus> okey dokey,
[12:29:29] <Nadir> I wonder about the choppy mouse movement. I played in 800x600x2 (1600x1200 !!!) and I had no problems on my Mobile Pentium III 650
[12:30:46] <Dominus> moment on the phone
[12:43:47] <Nadir> I'm willing to go through the resulting documentation and correct spelling/grammar mistakes.
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[12:47:18] <TonyHoyt> Hello people. What's new?
[12:49:53] <Nadir> not much
[12:50:02] <TonyHoyt> Seems that way.
[12:50:03] <Nadir> Discussing documentation
[12:50:20] <TonyHoyt> Eeeee! *Hiss hiss* eeevil!
[12:51:35] <Nadir> Well we have all these guys on the forum who ask the same old questions over and OVER again. Cleaning up our documentation and putting it on the website alongside the FAQ should help things
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[12:55:01] <Dominus> Nadir: back now, the guy with the mouse question is using the Alpha4 and the scaler optimisations came later than that
[12:55:14] <Dominus> so I guess that´s the problem
[12:56:05] <TonyHoyt> I can understand that. Documentation is just one of those areas that never gets done in general. I don't mean to sound negative to it, just humorous. Docs are necessary. But often not complete.
[12:56:50] <Dominus> yep, looking at the source there are some docs that got started but never finished
[12:57:18] <Dominus> and if they are complete they are hopelessly outdated (in general)
[12:57:28] <TonyHoyt> The thing is, docs are a thing that are never really mastered. I have to admit, If I where to write docs, I wouldn't have a freaking clue how to start well.
[12:58:20] <Dominus> What I´m doing is to have it set up like the FAQ, with a general section and then the OS specific ones
[12:58:33] <TonyHoyt> Well docs tend to be outdated quickly. And docs based off the code *Oxygen I think is one application that does that* I don't find very usefull. Documentation should be something they have a class on in college. Honest, it's something they need to teach because every developer I know, can't write docs to save there ass.
[12:58:56] <TonyHoyt> FAQ's are good starts at least, there they address what should have been doc'ed.
[12:59:27] <Dominus> true
[13:04:32] <TonyHoyt> Even some of the best documented apps out there seem to follow a "Uhhh, it's so easy to understand, just do it a lot and you'll figure it out." Mentality at times.
[13:06:03] <Nadir> I guess we could solve a couple of problems by giving good feedback during runtime. For example not setting the correct paths in exult.cfg
[13:06:34] <Dominus> but that is kind of understandable. You spent so much time developing the software and you know it from inside out. Every feature is something you used already so much in testing... Now to take a stap back and look at your software and do a documentation is NOT easy
[13:06:51] <Dominus> stap=step
[13:06:56] <TonyHoyt> Hmm I notice just now that when exult creates the new .exult.cfg file, it doesn't leave space for a serpent isle directory listing.
[13:08:22] <Nadir> We also need a directory chooser of some kind.
[13:08:26] <TonyHoyt> Kind of why you need QA teams and doc teams that do NOT work on the project, they just write about it. So you can transfer data to them to also help flush out those sections which are not easly understood the first time.
[13:08:47] <TonyHoyt> A little 'select the Ultima 7 Directory" dialog box? That would be awsome.
[13:09:39] <Nadir> yep. It needs to be multiplatform
[13:09:46] <TonyHoyt> Well that and some kind of option screen, or a options application. So I can craft all my settings before running exult, or if exult detects the first time it's run, a dialog with all the settings.
[13:10:08] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm That part sounds evil. but good luck. (Multiplatform) I forgot about that.
[13:10:26] <Dominus> multiplatform sounds very evil
[13:10:58] <Nadir> Windows and MacOS have the ancient concept of "drives". Under U*ix everything is under the same tree structure. Easier.
[13:12:33] <TonyHoyt> Drat.. Exult's crashing on me at start up..
[13:12:42] <TonyHoyt> Just compiled it too from yesterdays snapshot...
[13:13:21] <Nadir> Linux or Windows ?
[13:13:24] <TonyHoyt> Solaris.
[13:13:43] <Nadir> I've never tried that. I have to give it a go sometime
[13:13:49] <TonyHoyt> Using gnu 2.95.3
[13:13:53] <TonyHoyt> I got it to work once.
[13:14:14] <TonyHoyt> Didn't even have to hack code.. but sdl set out a Parachute so there was no core.
[13:14:35] <TonyHoyt> But the version I last used may have been one or two releases ago.
[13:15:27] <Nadir> nobody is maintaining a Solaris port. Is that Sparc or x86 ?
[13:15:34] <TonyHoyt> Sparc
[13:16:44] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm Someone threw in some patches at one point to get the Sparc/Solaris build to work but... *sigh* This is Solaris 7 too, which is a 32 bit OS. Solaris 8 is 64 bit only. How big of a deal is that for you guys? Or luckly, does the ./configure script deal with that?
[13:17:47] <Nadir> Exult runs on Alpha (which is 64bit)
[13:18:00] <TonyHoyt> Okay then it's not a real issue. :-) Cool.
[13:18:35] <Nadir> build Exult with ./configure --enable-debug and run it under GDB
[13:18:52] <TonyHoyt> Okay
[13:19:50] <TonyHoyt> I had to hack the usecode makefile as well because it was acting.. oddly. Hmm Well with this, i'll have a chance to talk to you guys about it then. Hmm configureing... okay soon to make.
[13:20:28] <TonyHoyt> Oh, also note, for solaris, the X lib is called X11. For some reason it tryed to link only a lib named X
[13:21:27] <Nadir> That should be worked out from sdl-config, although I'm not entirely certain...
[13:22:30] <TonyHoyt> I'll leave the details to you guys :-/
[13:24:49] <Nadir> Dominus: I believe the various OS readme's should be merged in INSTALL. README should be cleaned and it should also include MidiInfo.txt
[13:25:41] <Dominus> okay
[13:26:34] <Nadir> TODO.xml should go on the website too, so that everyone can see it
[13:27:09] <Dominus> hmpf, okay, okay, okay I´ll see what I can do :-)
[13:27:29] <TonyHoyt> Can I ask something? How was the new file gump created in the first place? Someone copy pasted a bunch of gump images to make a new gump image?
[13:27:44] <Dominus> note however that I´m just changing the code of the FAQ so the readme will look very similar to the FAQ
[13:30:37] <Nadir> dominus: that is good
[13:31:28] <Dominus> Nadir: because, as I said before, I don´t know much about xml/xsl but I can work with existing "code" (if I understand it)
[13:31:32] <Nadir> tonyhoyt: the new file gump required some extra shapes which were drawn from scratch
[13:31:53] <Nadir> xsl is a bit obscure for me too. But the FAQ looks fine as it is so there should be no problem
[13:32:31] <Nadir> Just noticed: README only mentions 2xSaI...
[13:33:10] <Dominus> I will see those errors, I think. I will also have to merge the "new" file a bit
[13:33:22] <TonyHoyt> Hmm Drat... I was kind of hopeing there was some way to make gumps from fragments of other gumps real time. UO has this ability and it's really nice when you want to make a custom gump for a server and not have to pass around a unique data file to every member of your server. :-/ So in other words, I"m curious how hard it would be to steal u7 tile work and make a new game.. But with some... changes. :-)
[13:33:26] <Dominus> NEWS that is
[13:35:07] <Nadir> NEWS can be built mostly from the website's History page
[13:35:13] <TonyHoyt> ld: fatal: library -lX: not found <-- For solaris in the conf directory. Hacking makefile now.
[13:35:35] <Dominus> Nadir: I was referring more to some extensiv information in there
[13:36:01] <Nadir> like ?
[13:36:19] <Nadir> NEWS only needs diffs between releases
[13:37:07] <Dominus> actually now looking at it nothing :-)
[13:37:23] <Nadir> tonyhoyt: for some reason -lX is explicitly specified in configure.in. That does sound wrong
[13:38:36] * TonyHoyt nods
[13:39:36] <Dominus> Nadir: Install looks more like a Readme.linux, right?
[13:39:49] <Nadir> Yes
[13:43:24] <Nadir> actually the bottom half of INSTALL is the default autoconf/automake blurb
[13:45:26] <Dominus> as I recently wrote int ML we need also a built.doc (either one for all the OS or seperate ones)
[13:46:00] <Dominus> So I´m leaving the how to built out of it
[13:47:29] <Nadir> ok
[13:49:16] <Nadir> most people won't be interested in building it. And who wants to knows how to do it
[13:49:38] <Nadir> Dominik: thanks for getting SFX in SI working correctly
[13:50:02] <Nadir> Also, DrCode's island is very cool !
[13:50:14] <Dominus> that (sfx) was quite a job actually
[13:50:22] <Nadir> I can imagine
[13:50:24] * Dominus pats himself on the shoulder
[13:50:35] * TonyHoyt chuckles
[13:50:35] * Nadir pats Dominus too
[13:50:42] * TonyHoyt pats him third.
[13:50:47] * Nadir pats exultbot as well
[13:50:51] <Dominus> without Joseph´s sfxs it wouldn´t have been possible
[13:51:21] <Dominus> and there are still some sfx I don´t know which is what
[13:51:35] <Dominus> 20 of 135
[13:52:09] <TonyHoyt> Those will be identified with time.
[13:53:12] <Dominus> I have assigned those all to sfx #135 so these WILL sound bad but easy to identify
[13:53:52] <Dominus> I guess once the battle sfx´s are correct I will get to know these once I play through SI again
[13:55:27] <Dominus> Nadir: I could move some of the whole section 3 to the ReadME or Install
[13:55:45] <Dominus> path configs and such
[13:56:04] <Nadir> From the FAQ you mean ?
[13:56:14] <Dominus> oops, yes
[13:56:16] <Nadir> Yes, I think so.
[13:56:41] <Nadir> World wrapping is not perfect in SI. There is a vertical black area ....
[13:56:54] * Dominus notices not for the first time that the FAQ is really more like a documentation
[13:57:39] <Dominus> and sometimes it crashes SI
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[13:59:40] <TonyHoyt> Hi Colour.
[14:00:05] <Dominus> hi colourless
[14:00:07] <Colourless> 'tis colourless
[14:00:31] <Nadir> hi
[14:00:42] * Nadir is playing with the Dream World of SI
[14:00:59] <TonyHoyt> Ahh okay.
[14:01:04] <TonyHoyt> Sorry Colourless. :-)
[14:01:45] <Colourless> :-)
[14:02:29] <Dominus> Nadir: you assigned no small task to me here, I must say
[14:04:04] <TonyHoyt> I'm curious how much I can take out of exult and be able to run things as just a graphical client...
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[14:07:08] <m0t0ro> Hello
[14:07:11] <Colourless> hi
[14:07:17] <TonyHoyt> Hi.
[14:07:30] <m0t0ro> Has somebody tried to compile exult under QNX?
[14:08:22] <Colourless> probably not
[14:08:41] <m0t0ro> ok
[14:09:33] <TonyHoyt> Jeeze.. 1001 ports or what.. :-/
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[14:10:13] <Nadir> dominus: sorry :)
[14:10:31] <Nadir> we will be forever grateful, though !
[14:10:52] * Dominus forgives Nadir but now always keeps an eye on him
[14:10:53] <TonyHoyt> Finaly finished building! God this program is huge.. I bet there's more lines of code here then for the original!
[14:11:17] <TonyHoyt> Dam.. Still get bus error and SDL Parachute..
[14:11:37] <Colourless> heh, there probably is more
[14:12:40] <TonyHoyt> Ahh, a bug in copy8?
[14:12:51] <Colourless> where?
[14:13:01] <TonyHoyt> Oooh, drat. you can't do byte to byte copys on Solaris.
[14:13:16] <TonyHoyt> You can only read and write on word boundries..
[14:13:27] <Colourless> i could imagine how that would be a problem
[14:13:34] <TonyHoyt> It's a solaris thing, I learn about this recently.
[14:14:05] <TonyHoyt> "while (counter--) *to++ = *from++;" According to ddd
[14:14:39] <Colourless> it's possible that one or both of them wont be word aligned
[14:15:00] <TonyHoyt> Line.... Ya, then Sparc's will go boom easly.
[14:15:07] <Nadir> doens't gcc have a switch to align on word boundaries ?
[14:15:09] <TonyHoyt> And I suspect that the 64 bit version will go boom as well.
[14:15:18] <Nadir> --malign-... whatever ?
[14:15:35] <Nadir> Moon's Eye sequence in SI works flawlessly
[14:15:35] <Colourless> if you want to compile, you'll need to write a replacement for the lines that are using an uint32
[14:16:10] <TonyHoyt> I have no idea what I could do...
[14:16:42] <TonyHoyt> Can't you do a "memcpy(to, from, counter)"? There?
[14:17:45] <TonyHoyt> It's in ibuf8.cc I don't know the line number though.
[14:18:00] <TonyHoyt> Line 222 I think.
[14:18:30] <TonyHoyt> "memcpy(to, from, counter); to += counter; from += counter;" ? Yes no?
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[14:19:15] <Colourless> do what you want there, but don't remove my code
[14:19:16] <TonyHoyt> wb
[14:19:28] <TonyHoyt> I'll give it a try.. sounds like a logical replacement.
[14:19:58] <Colourless> use a #define to compile with your code
[14:20:30] <TonyHoyt> *nods*
[14:22:04] <Nadir> Ice barge in SI: should it work by dbl-clicking on it ?
[14:22:28] <Colourless> yeah
[14:22:51] <Nadir> it doesn't then
[14:22:53] <Colourless> jyou may need to do it twice, exult handles barges pretty poorly
[14:23:26] <Nadir> I have done it 3/4 times
[14:25:30] <Nadir> is there any usecode related with the ice barge shape ?
[14:26:01] <Colourless> no idea, barges are jeff's territory
[14:29:12] <TonyHoyt> grrr.. SOLARIS is not defined anywhere... drat..
[14:35:33] <Nadir> define it in configure.in
[14:36:48] <Dominus> Colourless: from the midi-info.txt:NOTE: Currently the conversion to GS and GS127 is not finished and the notes
[14:36:48] <Dominus> are only mapped to General Midi.
[14:37:05] <Dominus> still valid?
[14:37:10] <Colourless> yeah
[14:37:17] <Dominus> okay
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[14:43:37] <TonyHoyt> Well I got to run.. sorrta... Left a lot of ghost images of hte cursor and it was a bit currupt... But.. Hmmmm. Now it seems to have.. locked up?
[14:44:54] <TonyHoyt> Drat, new segfault...
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[14:48:29] <Colourless> hmmm, what is going on....
[14:49:52] <TonyHoyt> Bad ping day...
[14:50:14] <Colourless> seems like it
[14:54:21] <TonyHoyt> Still hacking the dam copy stuff. I screwed something up.
[14:54:24] <TonyHoyt> c/elar
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[14:58:29] <TonyHoyt> This is going to be a game soon. "How long can Colourless last before timeing out!"
[14:58:44] <Dominus> :-)
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[14:59:17] <TonyHoyt> wb, again..
[14:59:22] * Colourless sighs
[15:00:15] <Nadir> colourless and his disappearing tricks !
[15:01:07] <Colourless> if only it was as fun for me as it is for you
[15:02:04] <TonyHoyt> My bets is $10 for 20minutes...
[15:02:30] <Dominus> 5DM for 5minutes
[15:04:01] <TonyHoyt> Your on! Set the clock.
[15:04:37] <Nadir> :)
[15:06:47] <Colourless> still here ;-)
[15:09:01] <TonyHoyt> Hah! Still got my 20 minute bet in line!
[15:09:11] <Dominus> :-)
[15:09:16] <Dominus> damn, I lost
[15:09:31] * Dominus hands over 5DM to TonyHoyt
[15:09:33] <Colourless> but, i could have ping timed out and you wouldn't have known... but i didn't
[15:10:32] <TonyHoyt> Well when we get the message. Then we see who wins!
[15:11:12] <Colourless> :)
[15:11:43] <Colourless> if i don't time out within 20 minutes, you both have to give ME the money
[15:13:43] <TonyHoyt> Ack.. Umm qick do a ping attack on him so he'll ping out!
[15:13:47] * TonyHoyt ping ping ping
[15:14:05] * Dominus ping ping ping
[15:14:43] <Colourless> 10 minutes to go
[15:16:12] * TonyHoyt ping ping ping, pong, ping ping ping.
[15:18:53] <Colourless> 5 minutes to go
[15:19:37] <TonyHoyt> ack.
[15:20:05] * TonyHoyt whaks Colourless out and hopes he forgets that he didn't time out.
[15:20:11] <TonyHoyt> Yaaa. you did time out... My money!
[15:20:27] <Colourless> you lie
[15:20:49] <TonyHoyt> No I speak the truth! Scouts honor!
[15:21:36] <Colourless> 3 minutes to go
[15:22:13] <TonyHoyt> Drat..
[15:22:17] * TonyHoyt runs with his money!
[15:25:59] <Colourless> looks lk
[15:26:03] <Colourless> like i win
[15:26:39] <TonyHoyt> Drat.
[15:32:19] <TonyHoyt> Blasted. my patch still doesn't work.
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[15:34:09] <Nystul> What happens at the end of Ultima VIII?
[15:35:28] <Colourless> you enter the black gate, walk through a white area, and appear on a mountain looking at a guardian head carved into a mountain
[15:35:41] <TonyHoyt> Umm You get tossed into some wierd cloudy realm with high pillers, then suddenly your back in Brittian with strange robes and looking over a face of the guardian carved into a mountain.
[15:36:07] <Nystul> Wierd...
[15:36:43] <Nystul> Now a somewhat longer question:What's the storyline of Ultima IX?
[15:36:44] <TonyHoyt> Ya, a black gate.. well black piece of rock you turn into a black gate. If I recall correctly you actually had followed the guardian's foot steps to recreate what he had done.. sortta.
[15:37:28] <TonyHoyt> It was a fun game.. in retrospect. But it graphicaly was like ultima 6. In the end it looked and played ugly.
[15:37:28] <Colourless> why do you say that?
[15:37:29] <Colourless> the story of Ultima IX is crap ;-)
[15:38:19] <Nystul> I loved tge graphics of Ultima VI. And its interface. It wasnt such a good game after all, though
[15:39:44] <Nystul> What I want to know is:What's the Guardian's place in the Triad of Evil, and what the heck is the Timelord?
[15:40:27] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm 6 was and is now kind of ugly. While it looked good at the time, it was between cga and vga.. And when your stuck with ega, you don't get a very appealing color selection. Or perhaps it was vga. I don't reacall.. I do recall it being ugly.
[15:40:41] <TonyHoyt> Timelord == Hawkwind.
[15:41:27] <Nystul> And what exactly is Hawkwind? A sentient being similar to the Guardian? I never had the patience for Serpent Isle...
[15:41:53] <TonyHoyt> He was your spritual adviser in U4.
[15:42:09] <Nystul> Oh, yeah...
[15:42:10] <TonyHoyt> He's the guy who basicly told you how avatar you where getting in ultima 4.
[15:42:23] <Nystul> Wasnt he in Serpent Isle, too?
[15:42:28] <TonyHoyt> Other then that, I don't recall what else he did.
[15:42:52] <TonyHoyt> Well he turned into the Timelord so he could have been anything. then again, nobody said ultima lore had to make the least bit of sence.
[15:43:16] <TonyHoyt> Most of the ultima lore was slaped together later on in the games life cycle when RG tried to make some contious story with it.
[15:44:06] <Nystul> Those are the questions I thought would be answered in Ultima9, but as far as I could tell, the only 'loose ends' the story ties up are a little yarn about Blackthorn and some Ultima 1-3esque confrontations with the Guardian(or it might as well have been Exodus, Mondain, Minox)
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[15:45:51] <TonyHoyt> Umm. the game just really doesn't tie up the ends well. they just kind of... slap together a few explinations. Bu in the end. They just seemed to have decided to say "Forget the history, play the game." Since it never made any sence to begin with.
[15:45:58] <TonyHoyt> Ahh I should have said 30 minutes!
[15:46:50] <Dominus> :-)
[15:46:50] <Nystul> You think LB's new company will have a lisence to make Ultima and Ultima-relaed games?
[15:46:59] <Dominus> nope
[15:47:04] <TonyHoyt> He doesn't want to make anymore ultimas.
[15:47:08] <TonyHoyt> And I can't blame him.
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[15:48:08] <TonyHoyt> Ahh I should have said 30 minutes!
[15:48:10] <TonyHoyt> :-)
[15:48:24] <Colourless> try 45 ;-)
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[15:48:33] <TonyHoyt> To be honest, I too would be tired of makeing the same dam game for 20 years.
[15:48:37] <wjp> wow, what a crowd
[15:48:38] <TonyHoyt> Hi Wjp.
[15:48:40] <wjp> hi everyone
[15:48:40] <Colourless> hi
[15:49:36] <Dominus> hi wjp
[15:55:00] <Nadir> hi wjp
[15:55:39] <TonyHoyt> So what's up with you wjp?
[15:56:02] <wjp> just finished up installing ADSL...
[15:56:23] <wjp> cables are now nicely running through the walls instead of through the hallway & up the stairs :-)
[15:56:48] * Colourless gets back to work
[15:57:09] <TonyHoyt> Ahh Okay.
[15:58:26] <TonyHoyt> I need to check with my brother on his cable situation.
[15:59:29] <wjp> TonyHoyt: about the replacing *to++ = *from++ with memcpy(): memcpy introduces an overhead which probably isn't worth it on the short runs we do here
[15:59:41] <TonyHoyt> Ahh okay.
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[16:00:15] <Colourless> woot!
[16:00:47] <wjp> so, who won the bet? ;-)
[16:00:52] <Colourless> me
[16:00:58] <wjp> congrats :-)
[16:01:19] <TonyHoyt> Hmm I'm haveing some problems iwth memcpy too. *Sigh* This doesn't look good.
[16:01:32] <Colourless> i timed out after 45 minutes, which was longer than the 5 and 20 minutes that were bet
[16:02:12] <wjp> TonyHoyt: if you use memcpy, don't forget to manually increase the pointers
[16:02:56] <wjp> (where necessary, of course)
[16:03:00] <TonyHoyt> I did...
[16:08:50] <Nadir> I don't need reagents for 1st level spells, or do I ?
[16:09:14] <Dominus> In si yes, you do
[16:09:36] <wjp> you don't need reagents for 'linear spells'
[16:09:41] <Nadir> ah
[16:09:43] <wjp> (which is the 0th circle in BG)
[16:09:46] <Dominus> Only BG had this linear spell thing
[16:10:11] <Nadir> what do I need for telekinesis ?
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[16:11:13] <Nadir> there he goes again
[16:11:15] <Dominus> tonyhoyt : this time you would have won
[16:11:21] * TonyHoyt laughs
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[16:12:01] <TonyHoyt> Dam I got it to work again but I'm getting currupt memory transfers.. dammit.
[16:13:27] <Nadir> wb
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[16:26:09] <Nadir> Hmm I've freed the daemon from the Black Sword and Exult locked up...
[16:26:20] <Nadir> nope it hasn't
[16:26:27] <Colourless> it didn't lock up for me
[16:26:34] <Colourless> it just didn't work proprly
[16:28:35] <TonyHoyt> Damit.. is the memory currupt? I don't get it....
[16:30:30] <Nadir> The image is displaced a bit to the right
[16:31:54] <wjp> hmm, is cvs down?
[16:32:21] <wjp> no, apparently not
[16:32:28] <TonyHoyt> No the image is pepered with a non black background. The mouse for instance looks like it's painted over only semi blank data.
[16:32:58] <TonyHoyt> It's hard to explain but looks like the source data is not clean. The image is but the background to the image is not completely black.
[16:33:51] <wjp> you're editing copy8() right?
[16:35:16] <TonyHoyt> Ummm Let me check again.
[16:35:23] <TonyHoyt> Yup.
[16:35:29] <TonyHoyt> Let me show you what I did.
[16:35:52] <TonyHoyt> while (counter--) *to++ = *from++;
[16:35:57] <TonyHoyt> became the following lines.
[16:36:09] <TonyHoyt> memset(to, 0, counter *sizeof(uint32));
[16:36:20] <TonyHoyt> std::memmove(to, from, counter *sizeof(uint32));
[16:36:28] <TonyHoyt> to += counter * sizeof(uint32);
[16:36:38] <TonyHoyt> from += counter * sizeof(uint32);
[16:36:47] <wjp> that will probably be a lot slower
[16:36:50] <TonyHoyt> And the same for when using to8. only uint8 obviously.
[16:37:04] <Colourless> um, are to and from uint32's ?
[16:37:15] <wjp> Colourless: yeah
[16:37:21] <wjp> well, uint32*
[16:37:29] <Colourless> if so, doing * sizeof(uint32) is incorrect
[16:38:32] <Colourless> also, why are you using memmove in copy8?
[16:38:42] <wjp> and memset, for that matter
[16:39:35] <TonyHoyt> Because Solaris doesn't like the while statement.
[16:39:55] <TonyHoyt> Solaris does not like memory access outside a four byte boundry.
[16:39:56] <wjp> btw, the entire block inside the 'while (srch--)' is essentially a memcpy
[16:40:01] <TonyHoyt> Sparc I think.
[16:40:23] <TonyHoyt> Okay well I wasn't sure exactly and I expect the memcopy to be slow but it was the only alternative I had.
[16:40:39] <TonyHoyt> So copy8 is an alternative memcopy basicly
[16:41:17] <wjp> srch memcopies, in fact
[16:42:51] <TonyHoyt> srch?
[16:42:57] <TonyHoyt> The variable?
[16:43:01] <wjp> yeah
[16:43:14] <wjp> ah... cvs working again... MTU trouble
[16:43:41] <TonyHoyt> Hmm I'll look into replaceing it then... But we'll see what happens. I'll try rewriting the whole thing as a new slower memcpy for solaris.. Just to get the dam thing to work again.
[16:44:00] <TonyHoyt> I get hte first Exult screen. And then the menu. it's after that when things break.
[16:45:28] <wjp> try this:
[16:45:40] <wjp> while (srch--) {
[16:46:00] <wjp> memcpy(to, from, srcw);
[16:46:13] <wjp> to += line_width;
[16:46:20] <wjp> from += src_width;
[16:46:21] <wjp> }
[16:46:27] <wjp> oh wait, to/from are uint32*'s
[16:46:35] <Colourless> yeah
[16:46:51] <TonyHoyt> so srcw * sizeof(uint32)
[16:47:03] <Colourless> no
[16:47:04] <wjp> no, divided by, but that won't work
[16:47:14] <TonyHoyt> Divide?
[16:47:22] <wjp> just change to/from to uint8*'s
[16:47:33] <wjp> ie:
[16:47:45] <wjp> uint8 *to = bits + desty*line_width + destx;
[16:47:49] <TonyHoyt> but doesn't memcpy copy at the byte level?
[16:47:57] <wjp> uint8 *from = src_pixels + srcy&src_width + srcx;
[16:48:01] <wjp> yeah, so?
[16:48:05] <TonyHoyt> I'll try it...
[16:48:25] <wjp> we need to copy 'srcw' pixels, which is 'srcw' bytes
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[16:48:36] <wjp|dinner> bbl
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[17:07:31] <TonyHoyt> Hoody hoo. It works.
[17:07:35] <TonyHoyt> Wjp is da man.
[17:08:10] <Nadir> going... bye !
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[17:08:44] <TonyHoyt> Uber slow but it works.
[17:08:52] <Colourless> how slow?
[17:09:13] <TonyHoyt> like.. 1-2 frames per second slow on a Sparc 440 Ultra2
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[17:09:24] <wjp> hmm, that slow?
[17:09:55] <TonyHoyt> Okay Is there a fps counter I can enable?
[17:10:02] <Colourless> no
[17:10:02] <TonyHoyt> It's faster when it's not in ddd debugger.
[17:10:06] <TonyHoyt> but still dam slow.
[17:10:12] <TonyHoyt> Can you put in a simple fps counter?
[17:10:20] <wjp> did you do an optimized build?
[17:10:30] <TonyHoyt> No a debug build.
[17:10:42] <wjp> that makes a big difference too
[17:10:50] <TonyHoyt> Rebuild optimized? Arg what a pain... I have to edit the make files each time I do that.
[17:10:59] <wjp> configure doesn't work?
[17:11:36] <TonyHoyt> It trys to link X when it should be X11.
[17:12:05] <TonyHoyt> Then again, it seems to like X because the final build doesn't care about lib X but it also includes X11 in that final build.
[17:12:36] <TonyHoyt> Doing a make distclean now.
[17:12:45] <wjp> configure.in, line 78
[17:15:03] <TonyHoyt> Got it. thanks.
[17:15:25] <wjp> ah... libX.so is a symlink to libX11.so on the Solaris system I have access to
[17:15:31] <wjp> I'll change it in CVS then
[17:15:55] <Dominus> wjp, colourless, tonyhoyt, have a look at http://exult.sourceforge.net/readme.html
[17:16:29] <wjp> looks a lot like the FAQ, somehow
[17:16:42] <TonyHoyt> semi afk guys..
[17:16:43] <Dominus> I said that :-)
[17:17:28] <TonyHoyt> afk.
[17:17:35] <Dominus> after al, I can´t do xsl
[17:17:43] <Colourless> dom, for the exult.cfg section, you should put the config example in <pre> tags
[17:18:26] <Colourless> of course, that may not work
[17:18:27] <Dominus> what does that do?
[17:18:38] <TonyHoyt> Hey guys, also, include <serpentisle> within exult.cfg if it doesn't exist at run time. I like how it's auto created but...
[17:18:43] <Colourless> the formatting will need to be copied accross
[17:18:45] <TonyHoyt> again afk.
[17:19:24] <Colourless> the <pre> tag is for preformated text
[17:20:18] <Dominus> hmm, I´ll ask Fingolfin then :-)
[17:20:32] <Colourless> you should
[17:21:10] <Dominus> I´ll try anyway but I´ll have to set them probably in the xsl and dtd and there will be trouble for me
[17:21:11] <Dominus> :-)
[17:21:56] <Dominus> right now my xsl/xml skills are only copy/paste skills
[17:22:07] <Colourless> :)
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[18:02:35] <TonyHoyt> Back.
[18:02:39] <TonyHoyt> What is this, ping time out city?
[18:02:55] <Dominus> think so
[18:03:20] <Colourless> dom's taking over from me
[18:03:30] <Dominus> noooooooooooooooooooo
[18:03:40] <wjp> 7.4 minutes!
[18:03:40] <wjp> 5 guilders!
[18:03:53] <wjp> ;-)
[18:04:19] * TonyHoyt chuckles
[18:04:38] <Colourless> so, sort of guilders are these?
[18:04:59] <wjp> moonshade or dutch guilders you mean? :-)
[18:05:07] <Colourless> yeah ;-)
[18:06:21] <wjp> I'll let you know when the time runs out :-)
[18:06:48] <Colourless> hehe
[18:10:50] <TonyHoyt> Hey guys, how does the party following thing works in Exult? Anyone got any ideas exactly?
[18:12:23] <Dominus> ok, have a look at the FAQ and the readme now (now at http://exult.sourceforge.net/readme.shtml)
[18:12:49] <Dominus> In the FAQ all those section that are now in the readme have been deleted
[18:13:09] <Dominus> all the config and keyboard stuff
[18:13:37] <TonyHoyt> Looks cool.
[18:13:37] <Colourless> basically the party following works by getting the party member to move to near where the avatar is moving to.
[18:19:48] <TonyHoyt> Any type of formation going on or just follow the avatar?
[18:20:01] <Dominus> wjp, colurless: should I leave the FAQ/readme like this for today and add the link to the pages?
[18:20:01] <wjp> formation? what's that? ;-)
[18:20:10] <TonyHoyt> :P
[18:20:18] <Colourless> no formation
[18:20:20] <Dominus> "it´s a feature, not a bug
[18:20:25] <Dominus> "
[18:20:25] * TonyHoyt chuckles
[18:20:28] <TonyHoyt> Yaaa. right.
[18:20:44] <Colourless> it is, ask jeff
[18:20:47] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm. What about following the avatar up stairs and such?
[18:21:00] <Dominus> seriously, Jeff likes it better this way
[18:21:49] <TonyHoyt> Oh did you guys fix the "attacking npc's a floor below me" bug?
[18:21:50] <Dominus> damn, I´m being port scanned like hell, today
[18:22:18] <TonyHoyt> Wierd..
[18:24:05] <wjp> hmm, strangely enough all that my firewall caught today is a couple of http requests
[18:24:25] <TonyHoyt> http requests? Wierd. People trying to find 'hidden' webpages?
[18:24:52] <TonyHoyt> You guys hear about that interenet standard image format
[18:24:59] <TonyHoyt> pcn or something like that.
[18:25:01] <Dominus> actually I´m getting only http port requests today
[18:25:29] <wjp> I thought png was created for that?
[18:26:48] <TonyHoyt> That's it.
[18:26:50] <TonyHoyt> png.
[18:27:03] <Colourless> you are asking have we heard of it ;-)
[18:27:24] <TonyHoyt> More wondering how hard it would be to import/export it in exult?
[18:27:36] <TonyHoyt> Then again, I have no idea how good of a image format it is for games.
[18:34:45] <TonyHoyt> Ya know sometimes I'm glad my application is small and quickly compiles.. this Exult business takes forever...
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[18:52:54] <TonyHoyt> Oh ya... Thanks wjp.. it runs much much faster in optimized mode.
[18:53:19] <TonyHoyt> And the new save menu is nice. You guys write a lot of 'button depressed' images or at least a bunch of new images for exult? They look nice.
[18:53:56] <wjp> yeah, quite a few new images
[18:54:18] <wjp> (they're in the data subdir)
[18:56:18] <TonyHoyt> In what format?
[18:56:35] <TonyHoyt> in the ultim a7 format? how can I view only the new stuff for si and bg?
[18:56:35] <Colourless> u7 shape
[18:57:41] <TonyHoyt> how can I view the shapes?
[18:57:54] <wjp> do you have gimp or photoshop around?
[18:59:17] <TonyHoyt> Ummmm. *Scraches his head. I may have gimp.
[18:59:30] <TonyHoyt> I wish I could just view them though... sadly. without a 3rd party tool.
[19:00:09] <wjp> shp2pcx will convert them to pcx
[19:00:11] <TonyHoyt> Ya, got gimp.
[19:00:24] <TonyHoyt> so convert them all to pcx?
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[19:00:48] <Fingolfin> hiya
[19:00:50] <wjp> hi
[19:00:57] <matt0> hallo
[19:00:58] <TonyHoyt> hi Fing.
[19:01:02] <TonyHoyt> hi Matt.
[19:01:08] <Fingolfin> can't wait till september: http://www.apple.com/macosx/newversion/
[19:01:10] <Fingolfin> ;)
[19:01:12] <Fingolfin> hi matt, tony, willem
[19:01:15] <Colourless> hi
[19:01:18] <TonyHoyt> so I need to convert to pcx? drat
[19:01:22] <Fingolfin> hi ryan, hi everybody else ;)
[19:01:40] <Fingolfin> and I passed my last exam! woohoo! exam time is over! sorry lads, had to tell you ;)
[19:01:50] <Fingolfin> (over for this semester that is)
[19:02:00] <Dominus> hi Max
[19:02:18] <matt0> yay max!
[19:02:26] <Fingolfin> I heard some whistling in the winds that somebody wanted somebody else to do some text->XML conversion?!?
[19:02:54] * matt0 tries to whistle but only hot air comes out
[19:02:56] <Dominus> hmm, maybe me ?
[19:05:17] <Dominus> Fingolfin, take a look at the readme please http://exult.sourceforge.net/readme.shtml and tell me what you think
[19:05:47] <Fingolfin> matt0: you only produce hot air. maybe you should work as a hair dryer?
[19:05:49] * Fingolfin ducks
[19:06:03] * Fingolfin whispers to dominus: will do, but don't tell matt where I am hiding
[19:06:23] * matt0 schlaegt Fingolfin mit einer grossen Forelle
[19:06:42] * Dominus says innocently: "I don´t know where Fingolfin is!"
[19:06:53] <Dominus> :-)
[19:06:55] <Fingolfin> lol
[19:07:23] * Fingolfin takes out his super-secret weapon, a petrified trout, and pats it threatingly with his other hand
[19:07:54] <matt0> uh.. you can't threaten me! *sweat rolling down forehead*
[19:08:07] * Dominus whispers to Fingolfin: take care he now knows ho to speak our secret language
[19:08:20] <Dominus> how to even
[19:08:23] <Fingolfin> matt0: just produce some hot air to clean away the sweat ;)
[19:08:32] <Fingolfin> dominik: so ein mist, was machen wir jetzt?
[19:08:41] <Fingolfin> dominik: willem versteht leider auch ziemlich viel
[19:08:42] <Dominus> auf ihn mit Gebrüll
[19:08:50] <Fingolfin> dom: good idea!
[19:08:51] <wjp> Fingolfin: :-)
[19:09:05] <Fingolfin> ;)
[19:09:13] <Fingolfin> nah, i am a peacful man
[19:09:33] * Dominus takes out his neanderthal club and lets out a big roar
[19:09:56] <matt0> hehehehe
[19:09:56] * Dominus is left standing while everyone else suffocated on his neanderthal breath
[19:10:17] * Dominus looks dumbfounded
[19:10:41] * Dominus pokes his club at the lifeless bodies of his friends and cries
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[19:11:24] * Dominus lets out an evil laugh when he is sure that all the others are down for good
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[19:12:08] <sty> avwe
[19:12:10] * Fingolfin swipes dominius from his feet
[19:12:24] * Fingolfin watches dominus fall, nearly crushing the newly arrived sty
[19:12:37] <wjp> I've been capturing the http requests I'm getting... (netcat is nice :-))
[19:12:46] * matt0 grabs Dominus's ankle with one decomposing hand, and screams silently, his wasted body no longer capable of sound (but still capable of inflicting pain).
[19:13:04] <wjp> buffer overflow exploits for IIS
[19:13:51] * Dominus tries to flee and curses loud - he knows he should always take off the head of his enemies before celebrating
[19:14:03] <Fingolfin> hi sty, be careful ;)
[19:14:05] <Dominus> wjp: what is this today?
[19:14:18] <sty> what? :D
[19:14:19] <Dominus> with those http port requests
[19:14:23] <Fingolfin> dominus: don't try to distract us!
[19:14:53] <wjp> Dominus: good question
[19:15:30] <Dominus> maybe someone trying to get the exult team offline
[19:15:43] <wjp> they're trying to put up this page as the root: (slightly trimmed)
[19:15:57] <wjp> <title>HELLO!</title>Welcome to http://www.worm.com !<br><br>Hacked By Chinese!
[19:16:06] <matt0> lol
[19:16:11] <Fingolfin> hehehee
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[19:16:31] <Dominus> ah that one
[19:16:52] <wjp> I should put up a permanent request-logging-daemon on port 80
[19:16:54] <wjp> could be fun :-)
[19:18:28] <TonyHoyt> Back.
[19:19:04] <TonyHoyt> You have to be kidding, Wjp?
[19:19:18] <wjp> why?
[19:19:23] <TonyHoyt> People are hammering your system and trying to put that in?
[19:19:35] <wjp> yeah
[19:19:36] <Dominus> probably mine as well
[19:19:39] <wjp> every 5 minutes or so
[19:19:40] <TonyHoyt> It's just silly.. Specialy the "hacked by Chinese!" bit.
[19:20:00] <sty> are ya tryin' to hack my PC ?
[19:20:38] <Dominus> who?
[19:20:38] <wjp> brb
[19:20:49] <sty> no, just in case :)
[19:24:13] <wjp> b
[19:28:18] <Colourless> wb
[19:28:27] <Colourless> heh
[19:30:21] <TonyHoyt> Hmm Ah forget converting shp to pcx... oh well I'll see the new shapes later..
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[19:37:57] <TonyHoyt> It's ping timeout... The game everyone can play. Let's see who get's kicked next!
[19:38:44] <Colourless> heh
[19:39:57] <sty> noi siamo un ora avanti alla GMT vero ?
[19:40:11] <sty> (in orario solare come adesso)
[19:40:16] <wjp> no 2 I think
[19:40:20] <Colourless> can you please speak in english
[19:41:30] <sty> (wrong window , sorry)
[19:41:36] <wjp> 'we are one hour ahead of GMT xyz' ?
[19:42:16] <Colourless> i see
[19:42:22] <wjp> (guessing...)
[19:42:27] <sty> 'was thinkin about the timedelta between Rome and Greenwich
[19:42:38] <sty> :))
[19:43:01] <wjp> so how was my translation? :-)
[19:43:13] <wjp> vero = something with 'true' ?
[19:43:19] <sty> yep!
[19:44:21] <sty> "we are 1 hour after GMT, is it true?"
[19:44:27] <wjp> we're currently in GMT +2 I think, because of daylight saving, but Greenwich is probably in GMT +1 now
[19:45:16] <Colourless> this person here in the corner (points to self) it at +930 GMT
[19:45:26] <wjp> (I think... /me is no expert on timezones)
[19:45:44] <sty> wjp: yes we are in GMT+1
[19:46:07] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm I know at least in Connecticut USA, there ws talk of being eternaly on DST, and so be... +6 hours gmt
[19:46:15] <TonyHoyt> ? I think. I don't recall exatly.
[19:46:56] <wjp> Dominus: some research on bugtraq shows this exploit is the 'code red worm'
[19:47:36] <Dominus> aha, they´ve become less busy anyway for now
[19:48:01] <wjp> yeah, intervals between attacks are getting longer here too
[19:49:38] <Colourless> you would think that would actually bother to check if you had a server up
[19:49:45] <Colourless> that THEY would
[19:49:48] <wjp> they do
[19:50:04] <wjp> I just pretended I did ;-)
[19:50:10] <Colourless> hmmm
[19:50:22] <Dominus> yeah, random attacks on serverless people are pointless
[19:54:11] <wjp> hmm, it seems this worm is doing just that
[19:54:20] <sty> randomless attacks on severed people are pointy
[19:54:23] <wjp> it creates 100 threads that start generating random IPs and try to infect them
[19:54:52] <wjp> (oh, and between 20:00 and 23:59 UTC it also attempts to DoS www.whitehouse.gov)
[19:55:26] <wjp> (which would explain why the amount of scans is a lot less than it was earlier today)
[19:57:20] <-- sty has left IRC (Ping timeout for sty[62.98.13.41])
[19:57:30] <wjp> so, who bet on sty? ;-)
[19:59:35] <TonyHoyt> Nobody one that time.. place your bets people. IT's Ping Timeout, the home edition.
[20:00:39] <Dominus> i´m betting on colourless to timeout next
[20:02:08] <Colourless> hmmm
[20:02:10] <TonyHoyt> Okay one bet on Colourless.. any others?
[20:07:12] <Dominus> Found a bug with the video options in the game menu, when downsizing the resolution and pressing okay the game menu gump is off the screen. No big deal as you can just press Esc but nethertheless
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[20:09:54] <wjp> wb
[20:10:34] <Colourless> wb
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[20:11:14] <Fingolfin> wb
[20:11:14] <Fingolfin> thx
[20:11:37] <Fingolfin> no wait, chimera wasn't here before, right? ;)
[20:13:12] * Fingolfin has troubles keeping track of big huge crowded rooms like #exult ;)
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[20:14:31] * Copernica returns from playing u7
[20:15:05] <Copernica> i cleaned out the armory in serpent's hold
[20:15:13] <Copernica> in the original, didn't the guy attack you if you took stuff?
[20:15:25] <wjp> don't think so
[20:15:26] <Copernica> i remember having to wait until he went to bed before i could raid it.
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[20:15:53] <Colourless> Dominus is next!
[20:15:56] <Dominus|> oops, I timed out this time
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[20:16:04] <wjp> Colourless: you win! ;-)
[20:16:08] <TonyHoyt> Woooh.
[20:16:11] <Dominus|> that was easy
[20:16:13] <TonyHoyt> No wait, that was peer!
[20:16:22] <TonyHoyt> Not a ping.. no winners. :-)
[20:16:23] --- Dominus| is now known as Dominus
[20:16:31] <Colourless> doh
[20:16:33] <wjp> :-)
[20:16:37] <Dominus> he he
[20:16:41] <wjp> sorry Colourless :-)
[20:21:06] <Dominus> brb
[20:21:56] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:22:06] <Fingolfin> what does "second-guess" mean?
[20:22:15] <wjp> the verb?
[20:22:20] <Fingolfin> i.e. what means "I second-guessed myself" ?!?
[20:22:35] <Dominus> mich selbst hinterfragt
[20:22:44] <Dominus> anders überlegt
[20:23:03] <wjp> hmm, not sure
[20:23:21] <Fingolfin> ok
[20:23:26] <Fingolfin> that would make sense, thanx
[20:23:51] <wjp> to second-guess: to comment on or criticize
[20:23:58] <wjp> (an action, a decision, etc...)
[20:24:04] <wjp> or 2)
[20:24:11] <wjp> to make a better guess than
[20:24:28] <TonyHoyt> second-guess -- I usually take it as to think one self was wrong in a prior statement, or to personaly criticize...
[20:24:35] <TonyHoyt> well second-guess myself that is.
[20:27:39] <TonyHoyt> later guys
[20:27:50] <TonyHoyt> thanks for keeping up the work in exult.. looks great.
[20:28:21] <Fingolfin> cya tony
[20:28:22] <wjp> see you later
[20:28:55] <Fingolfin> now go for real, dude! we want you out here! 8-)
[20:29:01] <TonyHoyt> Real quick, where is there a text for a map file?
[20:29:14] <TonyHoyt> :P
[20:29:23] <Fingolfin> hu?
[20:29:26] <TonyHoyt> the u7 map file format I mean.
[20:29:53] <TonyHoyt> ah forget it.. got to go.. bye!
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[20:32:09] <Dominus> b
[20:35:19] <Fingolfin> wb
[20:37:40] <chimera|wookin> hehehe
[20:37:44] <chimera|wookin> you guys are funny
[20:37:52] <Colourless> we are?
[20:38:23] <chimera|wookin> dominus and fingolfin
[20:38:35] <Fingolfin> bah
[20:38:42] <Fingolfin> I am no stinkin' funny guy!
[20:38:42] <Dominus> hmpf
[20:38:46] <chimera|wookin> hehe
[20:38:51] <chimera|wookin> Colourless: you don't like to laugh, eh?
[20:38:55] * Dominus growls at chimera
[20:39:06] * chimera|wookin tosses dominus a raw steak
[20:39:19] * Dominus gulps it down in one piece
[20:39:20] <Fingolfin> dominus: hast du deinen Knüppel bereit? Meine Steinforelle ist bereit...
[20:39:41] * Fingolfin charges chimera with his trout and gives him one hell of a wookin
[20:39:43] <Dominus> los, auf ihn mit Gebrüll
[20:40:23] * Dominus takes out his neanderthal club and starts howling "wookin, wookin, wookin..."
[20:40:37] * Fingolfin ops dominus to make him more impressive
[20:41:13] * Dominus shows Fingolfin his club with wookin-blood
[20:41:40] <chimera|wookin> you savage brute!
[20:41:50] <Dominus> more steak
[20:41:57] <Fingolfin> hm, I wonder how that tastes together with trout?
[20:42:07] <Fingolfin> anybody got some potatoes or noodles?
[20:42:19] * Fingolfin pricks some of wjp's hair
[20:42:22] <Fingolfin> hmmm, noodles!
[20:42:25] <wjp> ouch!
[20:42:27] <Dominus> lol
[20:42:30] <Fingolfin> yummy
[20:42:32] <wjp> give me my dinner back!
[20:42:40] <Fingolfin> noo!!!
[20:42:51] <Fingolfin> eat chimera if you are hungry
[20:43:23] <chimera|wookin> mmm food
[20:43:23] * wjp gets a fork
[20:43:36] <Fingolfin> eek, forks are unfair!
[20:43:43] <Fingolfin> and it only works under unix anyway
[20:44:11] * Dominus wonders if the team actually did something usefull today
[20:44:26] * Dominus wonders why he wonders
[20:44:31] <Fingolfin> you say this is a fork? ha! *this* is a *fork*!!! --E
[20:44:41] * Fingolfin wonders why dominus wonders
[20:44:50] <wjp> hah! mine's bigger! -----E
[20:44:58] <Fingolfin> ha!
[20:45:04] <Dominus> hey I´m the wondering type here, go wonder about something else
[20:45:08] <Fingolfin> ------O
[20:45:15] <Fingolfin> now wait, that was a spoon
[20:45:16] <Colourless> that's a spoon!
[20:45:18] <Fingolfin> ;)
[20:45:38] <Dominus> there is no spoon
[20:46:04] * Dominus wants to leave the matrix
[20:46:28] <wjp> hmm... exultlog.php3 got 1900 hits last month
[20:46:31] <Fingolfin> <g>
[20:46:42] <wjp> for a total of 87Mb
[20:46:54] * chimera|wookin opens his trenchcoat, revealing a plethora of guns and ammunition just before he dispatches Dominus.
[20:47:24] <Dominus> ouch
[20:47:42] <Dominus> wjp: a search option would be great for the logs
[20:47:57] <wjp> yeah... also slightly tricky
[20:48:48] <Dominus> but imagine being able to check how often we talk about usecode
[20:49:16] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:49:17] <Fingolfin> btw
[20:49:24] <wjp> 313 times
[20:49:38] <Fingolfin> when I wrote this mail asking jeff to change "you wrote" to "<NAME> wrote", he replied almost instantly (in private)
[20:49:46] <Fingolfin> and I didn't even say "usecode usecode usecode"
[20:49:52] <Dominus> that´s the license number of Donald Duck´s car (313)
[20:49:54] <wjp> 314
[20:50:07] <wjp> really? hehe :-)
[20:50:28] <Dominus> it´s been a while since I got a private message from the chief
[20:50:28] <wjp> and now we're at the first 3 digits of pi
[20:51:12] * Dominus is jealous of Fingolfin, if he hadn´t been dispatched by chimera...
[20:51:29] <Fingolfin> lol
[20:51:32] <Fingolfin> well
[20:51:44] <wjp> I got tons from before there was a ML :-P
[20:51:47] <Fingolfin> you are in the matrix, dominus! everything is possible, as long as you *think* it is!
[20:51:52] <Fingolfin> hehehe
[20:51:58] <Dominus> :-)
[20:54:15] <wjp> hmm, I didn't play any D2 today... I must be ill
[20:54:37] <Dominus> a search on the mailing list on usecode produced 225 matches
[20:54:38] <wjp> or I will be soon when the withdrawal kicks in :-)
[20:55:23] <Dominus> but that only searches the header I think (usecode)
[20:55:54] <Fingolfin> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5094345,00.html
[20:56:12] <wjp> I get 1621 hits in my exult mailbox
[20:56:26] <chimera|wookin> wjp: I played too much D2 to the point that I was just wandering around looking for something to kill, and then I just stopped playing cold
[20:56:28] <Fingolfin> no d2 for me today, either, was most of the day in bed & university ;)
[20:56:44] <Fingolfin> ohhh
[20:56:51] <wjp> Fingolfin: yeah, that's the one I caught earlier
[20:56:59] <Dominus> the 2nd hit on usecode in google is our cvs
[20:57:03] <Fingolfin> btw, our "official" exult game is usually "exult u7" sometimes also "exult si" or "exult bg" ;)
[20:57:09] <chimera|wookin> Dominus: hehe cool
[20:57:35] <Fingolfin> wjp: hu?
[20:57:46] <wjp> Fingolfin: that zdnet article
[20:57:53] <Fingolfin> ah ok ;) I was wondering
[21:00:02] <Dominus> Fingolfin: what do you mean with official Exul game?
[21:00:16] <wjp> Dominus: in Diabloi 2
[21:00:20] <wjp> s/oi/o/
[21:00:22] <chimera|wookin> Dominus: the FAQ is looking good :)
[21:00:24] <Fingolfin> dom: in diablo 2, when wjp and me are playing, we usually call the game "exult u7"
[21:00:30] <Dominus> ahh
[21:00:38] <Dominus> chimera, thanks
[21:00:47] <Dominus> how is the readme
[21:00:49] <Dominus> ?
[21:00:56] <chimera|wookin> I haven't read it yet
[21:01:25] <Dominus> And Fingolfin, if you have something to add to the readme (mac wise9 please do it now (or be silent forever)
[21:01:27] <Fingolfin> oh, right, I wanted to take a look at the readme!
[21:01:35] <Fingolfin> hehe
[21:01:46] <Fingolfin> hey, we have 110k+ hits on the main page!
[21:02:23] <Fingolfin> although I must say I find the name "readme" a bit irritating...
[21:02:46] <Dominus> what should we call it then?
[21:02:50] <Dominus> Docs
[21:02:52] <Dominus> ?
[21:02:59] <Fingolfin> and the forum page... it lacks the "readme" link, as well as the page counter - why exactly?
[21:02:59] <Dominus> guide?
[21:03:02] <Fingolfin> hm
[21:03:09] <Fingolfin> what is this readme good for, exactly?
[21:03:20] <Dominus> didn´t want to mess with the forum page
[21:03:31] <Fingolfin> isn't it a sort of "Documentation" ?
[21:03:36] <Dominus> unify the readme´s in the code
[21:03:50] <Fingolfin> I'd call it "Documentation"
[21:03:58] <Dominus> most of them have the same stuff written in
[21:04:27] <Fingolfin> and BTW, I think I maybe should do a slight redesign of the web page one of these days, in my initial versions we hadn't had so many sections, but now it is a bit croweded in the 1 dimensional link bar
[21:04:47] <Dominus> yep
[21:04:58] <Dominus> now that you have time....:-)
[21:06:03] <Dominus> Well then I will call this documentation
[21:06:17] * Fingolfin does some HTML validating
[21:06:26] <Dominus> (tomorrow or sometime on the weekend)
[21:06:35] <Fingolfin> dom: hey, just my opinion, feel free to voice your different oppinion ;)
[21:07:04] * Dominus is glad he validated the readme just some hours ago
[21:07:07] <Fingolfin> all pages are valid
[21:07:08] <Fingolfin> ;)))
[21:07:18] <Fingolfin> the FAQ was my main concern ;)
[21:07:23] <Fingolfin> anybody want to try to lynx it? ;)
[21:07:53] <Dominus> Fingolfin: but you are right imo I was wondering about a better name but was somewhat preoccupied with writting it
[21:08:06] <Fingolfin> hhehe
[21:08:53] <Dominus> the next thing to do would be unifying the built instructions
[21:09:03] <Fingolfin> yeah
[21:09:15] <Fingolfin> and I need to get new MacOS X build instructions
[21:09:31] <Dominus> yep, someone asked in the forum
[21:09:43] <Fingolfin> the usual unix instructions sort of work, but the result is not really that usable - I need to provide a ProjectBuilder build file I guess
[21:09:47] <chimera|wookin> Dominus: in the readme, I notice that you refer to Derek Liauw's web page twice
[21:09:48] <Fingolfin> oh really?
[21:10:16] <Fingolfin> where?
[21:10:23] <Dominus> chimera, I saw that (but only when I looked at it when it was up and was too lazy to correct it)
[21:10:29] <Dominus> scalers
[21:10:31] <chimera|wookin> Dominus: ok
[21:10:54] <wjp> Fingolfin: see the "Exult- the right time" thread
[21:11:04] <Fingolfin> ok
[21:11:13] <Fingolfin> btw, I need to test the exult studion on OS X one of these
[21:11:14] <Fingolfin> days
[21:11:25] <Dominus> please don´t
[21:11:26] <Fingolfin> but first I want to install X-Win in rootless mode ;)
[21:11:41] <Dominus> if you got it running I´m really jealous
[21:12:51] <Dominus> Fingolfin: how is sound in MacOS coming along?
[21:13:12] <Fingolfin> hm
[21:13:15] <Fingolfin> good question
[21:13:22] <Dominus> next question :-)
[21:13:28] <Fingolfin> in fact, the .wav files you made usd to work quite well
[21:13:41] <Dominus> so sfx works?
[21:13:50] <Fingolfin> then recently I was building exult, and got crashes; removing the .flx file with the wavs fixed that..
[21:13:50] <Fingolfin> but
[21:14:18] <Dominus> well that flx is outdated anyway
[21:14:18] <Fingolfin> maybe the problem was that I used an old version of expack?!? did there change something in the .flx format recently? I'd doubt that..
[21:14:30] <Fingolfin> I think I need to build a new version of that thing anyway and test it
[21:14:42] <Fingolfin> however, debuggin is hard, as it crashes my machine completly
[21:14:44] <Fingolfin> hm
[21:14:54] <Fingolfin> I could run it in the OS X emulation for old MacOS 9 ;)
[21:14:57] <Dominus> nah, would be really bad as Josephs waves are prebuilt
[21:15:09] <Fingolfin> dom: could you email me the assembled .flx file maybe?
[21:15:49] <Dominus> hmm, thats´ 6mb for BG and 8 mB for SI
[21:16:04] <Fingolfin> no problem for me... but for you I guess it is ;)
[21:16:11] <wjp> Fingolfin: the .flx-es are on SF
[21:16:14] <Fingolfin> anybody else have some .wav .flx and can email it?
[21:16:16] <Fingolfin> ah really?
[21:16:40] <Dominus> jospehs flx that is
[21:16:47] <Fingolfin> BG Data and SI Data or what?
[21:16:57] <Fingolfin> dom: I don't care about the acutal sounds, I just want something to test ;)
[21:17:02] <wjp> Fingolfin: yeah
[21:17:05] <Dominus> I´m on a 6k upload so not that much of a problem
[21:17:33] <Dominus> so get the files from joseph, that´s how it sounded in the original
[21:17:51] <Dominus> wjp: which reminds me
[21:17:54] <Fingolfin> I download them from the webpage
[21:18:01] <Fingolfin> done
[21:18:05] <Dominus> why don´t we link to these on the homepage
[21:18:06] * Fingolfin loves DSL
[21:18:56] <wjp> :-)
[21:18:56] * Dominus hates his slow cable
[21:20:07] <wjp> Fingolfin: how much upstream bandwidth do you have, btw?
[21:20:57] <Fingolfin> 100 KB / s (and when I said done, I must add I started the download some time before ;)
[21:21:08] <wjp> that's downstream :-)
[21:21:13] <Fingolfin> argh
[21:21:14] <Fingolfin> yeah
[21:21:16] * Fingolfin didn't read
[21:21:22] <Fingolfin> 12 K/s only
[21:21:27] <wjp> I've got 512Kbit down, 64Kbit up
[21:21:39] <wjp> (or 64Kb, 8Kb)
[21:21:52] <Fingolfin> so I am faster, hahah! ;))
[21:21:56] <wjp> sniff
[21:22:35] <wjp> I could get 1024/256, but that's almost twice as expensive as what I have now
[21:22:52] <Fingolfin> how much do you pay anyways?
[21:22:59] <wjp> 100 guilders/month
[21:23:06] <wjp> (45 euro)
[21:23:07] <Fingolfin> including all?
[21:23:15] <Dominus> guys, time for me to quit for today
[21:23:15] <wjp> including all what?
[21:23:17] <Dominus> cu
[21:23:19] <wjp> bye
[21:23:19] <Fingolfin> cya
[21:23:23] <Fingolfin> well
[21:23:23] <-- Dominus has left IRC (Got to play Exult now)
[21:23:42] <Fingolfin> over here, I pay 10 DM for the DSL, and then 49 DM for the DSL flatrate, makes 60 DM total
[21:23:56] <wjp> ack... that cheap?
[21:24:02] <Fingolfin> hehehehe
[21:24:09] <Fingolfin> Deutsche Telekom is really pushing it ;)
[21:24:20] <Fingolfin> they make it cheap, no other flatrate ever was so cheap here
[21:24:31] <Fingolfin> and almost all the "normal" flatrates died one year ago over here
[21:24:42] <wjp> we get 50% off the first 3 months, but that's it
[21:24:59] <Fingolfin> :/
[21:25:43] <wjp> ah well... at least it's better than my old connection ;-)
[21:26:50] <wjp> I should go too
[21:26:52] <wjp> night
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[21:31:00] <Fingolfin> argh
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