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[00:31:16] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> Hi Alorelith, hi ExultBot.
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[00:31:37] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> Hi Matt0.
[00:31:45] <matt0> hahaha
[00:31:49] <matt0> blackthorne!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:32:09] <matt0> I thought you were dead!
[00:32:22] <Alorelith> hail
[00:32:33] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> Never heard of resurrection spells?
[00:32:41] * Alorelith cacklez
[00:32:55] <matt0> I almost killed blackthorne in battle in ultima 5
[00:33:02] <matt0> still not sure if it's really possible hehe
[00:33:08] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> With a glass sword?
[00:33:19] <matt0> well I cheated and gave all my guys a bunch of glass swords
[00:33:25] <matt0> and we started hitting him with them hehe
[00:33:31] <Alorelith> I always liked eating the remains of the gargoyles on the top of his castle
[00:33:33] <matt0> but he ran away before we could see f he could be killed
[00:33:40] <Alorelith> They were tough bastards...
[00:34:16] <matt0> I should try surrounding him first, then beating him with glass swords
[00:34:30] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> Use force fields.
[00:34:33] <matt0> it's been a long time since I played
[00:34:38] <matt0> Apple ][ days
[00:34:48] <Alorelith> Heh.
[00:34:49] <Alorelith> I've got a computer solely dedicated to U5.
[00:34:54] <matt0> haha
[00:35:00] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> I played U5 on the C64. Not bad, but no music :(
[00:35:08] <matt0> which port of U5?
[00:35:12] <Alorelith> Yep.
[00:35:23] <Alorelith> I'm torn between the Commodore and PC version.
[00:35:39] <Alorelith> Apple one wasn't very good...U4 for Apple was great!
[00:35:42] <Alorelith> Mockingbird !
[00:35:51] * matt0 was a huge Apple ][ guy
[00:35:56] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> In a few months, you will have 3 versions to be torn between...
[00:36:06] <matt0> I still have an Apple ][gs sitting right here next to me hehe
[00:36:13] <Alorelith> Have either of you tried the ultima 5 online type game?
[00:36:14] <matt0> 3 versions?
[00:36:25] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> matt, I mean the Dungeon Siege remake.
[00:36:40] <matt0> sounds neat
[00:36:47] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> alorelith - yes, I tried Dransik.
[00:36:48] <matt0> I haven't heard of that until now
[00:36:54] <Alorelith> How is it?
[00:37:09] <matt0> did you guys see that remake of Dungeon Master? I downloaded it today
[00:37:18] <Alorelith> Yeah, I was downloading it
[00:37:24] <Alorelith> I need a newer JRE though...
[00:37:36] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> alorelith, it was still in a very early stage when I played it. Not many feaures were implemented.
[00:37:54] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> I don't know what it's like now. But I know that it will be "pay for play" soon.
[00:37:56] <Alorelith> I would love to see a remake of the Xeen games.
[00:37:58] <matt0> I'm trying to download the newer java kit right now but my internet is flaking out
[00:38:13] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> matt, there's a remake of the old classic Dungeon Master?
[00:38:17] <Alorelith> Pay for play...bah.
[00:38:19] <matt0> Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran: that's right
[00:38:23] <matt0> it's written in Java haha
[00:38:26] <Alorelith> Must be pretty good for me to pay.
[00:38:29] <matt0> I'm trying to play it in linux
[00:38:30] <Alorelith> It's written in Java
[00:38:40] <Alorelith> It was on slashdot, there's a link there.
[00:38:54] <Alorelith> What JRE do you use in linux?
[00:39:00] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> Hmm, does it use the old dungeon master data files? (like Exult)
[00:39:08] <Alorelith> I don't think so.
[00:39:25] <Alorelith> You just have to download one big 11MB file I believe.
[00:39:33] <matt0> no it is self-contained
[00:39:33] <matt0> Alorelith: I'm trying to apt-get one that was recommended on slashdot
[00:39:37] * matt0 uses debian
[00:39:40] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> no problem, I got DSL :)
[00:40:37] <Alorelith> Ahh..
[00:40:37] <Alorelith> I had kaffe
[00:40:37] <Alorelith> I don't believe it's the workable version though; it might be.
[00:40:44] <Alorelith> ack
[00:40:51] <Alorelith> Debian is nice :)
[00:40:58] <Alorelith> except ftp.us.debian.org seems to be down atm
[00:41:04] <Blackthorne_the_Friendly_Tyran> I have Suse 6.2
[00:41:19] <matt0> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/03/18/139241&cid=57
[00:41:24] <matt0> here's the one I am trying to get..
[00:42:04] <matt0> j2sdk1.3 - Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition
[00:42:22] <Alorelith> ahh yes
[00:42:26] <matt0> you guys having internet problems today?
[00:42:26] <Alorelith> I'll get that one
[00:42:30] <Alorelith> 1.3 is required.
[00:42:37] <Alorelith> Not really.
[00:42:45] <matt0> I can't even get to ftp.tux.org to get it
[00:42:57] <Alorelith> which server are you getting that from in apt.sources?
[00:43:10] <matt0> the one from that slashdot.org article I pasted
[00:43:20] <Alorelith> oh..*hit's head*
[00:44:08] <Alorelith> Hey
[00:44:11] <Alorelith> I'm in luck for a cable modem
[00:44:27] <Alorelith> The website actually mentions my town as being available in 'the future'
[00:44:32] <Alorelith> That's an upgrade from no mention at all!
[00:44:56] <matt0> hehe
[00:44:57] <Alorelith> 15MB
[00:44:58] <Alorelith> ouch..
[00:45:04] <matt0> well if my ISP was working properly...
[00:45:08] <matt0> I'd have that thing snatched up quickly
[00:45:17] <matt0> there is also j2re1.3 which is their runtime environment
[00:45:19] <Alorelith> What connection have you?
[00:45:20] <matt0> that is probably smaller
[00:45:23] <Alorelith> oh
[00:45:24] <matt0> 640k down, 256k up (DSL)
[00:45:25] <Alorelith> DSL/
[00:45:57] <Alorelith> How much does that run you?
[00:46:10] <matt0> $29/mo from phone company and $19/mo from ISP
[00:46:22] <matt0> ($50/month)
[00:46:23] <Alorelith> Not too bad.
[00:46:58] <matt0> it's really nice for gaming
[00:47:07] <matt0> and usually nice for downloading unless the file is really really big
[00:47:09] <Alorelith> Where are you?
[00:47:15] <matt0> salt lake city, utah, usa
[00:47:16] <Alorelith> I've heard a lot of horror stories about DSL.
[00:47:34] <Alorelith> But hell, I'd succumb to them if I could have a decent connection.
[00:47:35] <matt0> I must be lucky then... mine has been very consistent
[00:47:50] * Alorelith nods
[00:48:12] <Alorelith> hell
[00:48:23] <Alorelith> I'd be apt-get upgrade -ing everyday
[00:48:25] <Alorelith> hehe
[00:50:06] <matt0> I would too except one time I got a very nasty version of debconf
[00:50:16] <matt0> so now I don't do a dist-upgrade anymore
[00:50:18] <Alorelith> Yeah
[00:50:22] <matt0> I just upgrade selected packages hehe
[00:50:31] <Alorelith> I've only had something bad happen once
[00:50:34] <Alorelith> considering I run unstable.
[00:50:50] <matt0> I am anxiously awaiting Xfree 4.0.3 to get onto my mirror
[00:50:56] <Alorelith> Yeah, I only really upgrade konqueror on a regular basis
[00:51:07] <Alorelith> ditto.
[00:51:18] <Alorelith> Except I'm still having problems with my nvidia card.
[00:51:23] <matt0> that combined w/ the new nvidia drivers.. I am hoping for a nice speed boost =]
[00:51:48] <Alorelith> they work fine without AGP, but the moment I try loading agpgart or NvAgp, *puke*
[00:52:07] <matt0> hmmm which card do you have?
[00:52:09] <matt0> I've got a tnt2u
[00:52:14] <Alorelith> TNT2 Ultra
[00:52:26] <Alorelith> I might try ripping out my Aureal sound card
[00:52:35] <matt0> lately in windows I've been getting some really weird flickering problems in the games I've tried
[00:52:40] <Alorelith> I've heard it causes a problem when mixed with TNT2 and KX133 motherboard.
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[00:52:46] <matt0> I think it might be those new detonator drivers I tried =(
[00:52:52] <matt0> I just need to get a geforce 3 hehe
[00:52:59] <matt0> I have a KX133
[00:53:06] <Alorelith> Yeah
[00:53:10] <Alorelith> I was going to get a newer video card.
[00:53:13] <Alorelith> I'm not sure what to get
[00:53:28] <matt0> I tried out the new NOLF mega demo... holy cow that game is actually fun! I might buy it =(
[00:53:40] <Alorelith> Nvidia is nice (if the drivers work), but I'm also looking at a Matrox G400, Radeon, or maybe even a 3dfx
[00:53:42] <Alorelith> NOLF>
[00:53:42] <matt0> (doesn't like buying windows only titles, but none of the linux ones he wants have come out yet)
[00:53:45] <Alorelith> What's that?
[00:53:47] <matt0> no one lives forever
[00:53:48] <DraX> g400 is my favorite
[00:53:56] <Alorelith> You have a G400?
[00:53:58] <matt0> I would warn you against going 3dfx
[00:54:03] <Alorelith> I know...
[00:54:05] <matt0> I have a voodoo5 and the linux support is virtually nonexistent
[00:54:06] <DraX> Alorelith, i have used one
[00:54:09] <DraX> seen it in action
[00:54:10] <matt0> and it looks like it will never happen
[00:54:15] <matt0> the radeon looks cool though
[00:54:18] <Alorelith> Really? Is it because they were bought out?
[00:54:21] <matt0> I think so
[00:54:28] <matt0> I use this V5 in my work coputer w/ linux
[00:54:29] <DraX> g400 is an awesome card
[00:54:33] <matt0> and its 2D acceleration SUCKS!!!
[00:54:36] <DraX> if 3d isn't a major deal
[00:54:36] <Alorelith> I just want a card that I can stick in, configure a bit, and work!
[00:54:38] <matt0> 3d isn't too good either
[00:54:44] <DraX> the 2d is incredible
[00:54:50] <Alorelith> I want good 3d
[00:54:50] <matt0> the V5 is supposed to be reasonably fast too
[00:54:54] <matt0> but nooo
[00:54:56] <Alorelith> I hope to be able to play Neverwinter Nights some day.
[00:54:59] <matt0> its linux support is dismal =(
[00:55:09] <DraX> the 3d on the g400 is very good
[00:55:09] <matt0> I am going to go w/ nvidia
[00:55:12] <Alorelith> Linux support is a must
[00:55:14] <DraX> but it's no geforce
[00:55:19] <Alorelith> Ah...
[00:55:21] <matt0> I am pleased with their drivers, although other people have had problems
[00:55:21] <DraX> better then a voodoo though
[00:55:25] <Alorelith> I've had so so experience with Nvidia so far.
[00:55:40] <DraX> i had a riva128 and hated it
[00:55:51] <Alorelith> I can get tuxracer and ssystem to run (agp disabled)
[00:55:56] <matt0> yeah the riva128 sucked
[00:56:01] <Alorelith> but i tried the GL version of Alephone and it hurls...
[00:56:05] <Alorelith> but that could have been a build problem.
[00:56:06] <matt0> hehe
[00:56:11] <DraX> my friend has a geforce and hasn't liked it much
[00:56:13] <matt0> most of the loki demos I have tried have worked fine
[00:56:25] <matt0> and q3 works fine
[00:56:37] <Alorelith> What kinda frame rates you get?
[00:56:44] <Alorelith> in Q3.
[00:56:44] <DraX> i would suggest the g400 myself :)
[00:56:50] <Alorelith> I'll consider the G400.
[00:56:52] <matt0> well.. I would suggest against the G400
[00:56:54] <DraX> but i'd actully wate for the 550
[00:56:56] <matt0> just to balance that out =]
[00:57:01] <DraX> matt0, why?
[00:57:02] <Alorelith> Hah.
[00:57:04] <Alorelith> Fine
[00:57:09] <Alorelith> I'll go back to my old S3 Virge.
[00:57:14] <matt0> because its performance is dwarfed by the latest nvidia offering
[00:57:27] <matt0> I think my tnt2 probably could beat the g400 for that matter
[00:57:30] <matt0> (almost 2 years old)
[00:57:31] <Alorelith> How are ATI's linux drivers hanging?
[00:57:50] <Alorelith> My dad has a Rage Fury...
[00:57:56] <matt0> I will do a timedemo for you in q3 and give you my results.. just a sec
[00:58:00] <Alorelith> ok
[00:58:22] <DraX> matt0, g400 beats down my voodoo3
[00:58:25] <DraX> matt0, easily
[00:58:30] <DraX> with room to move
[00:59:04] <Alorelith> I do like how Nvidia seems to be constantly updating their drivers
[00:59:11] <Alorelith> That I think is a boon...
[00:59:13] <DraX> i have a pension towards matrox though
[00:59:28] <Alorelith> I was looking at the Oxygen cards...
[00:59:32] <Alorelith> by 3dlabs
[00:59:32] <DraX> heh
[00:59:34] * Alorelith drooooools
[00:59:37] <DraX> oh ya
[00:59:56] <DraX> i'd take an indigo2 with a solid impact any day though
[01:00:05] <Alorelith> But I guess it wouldn't do much for me and my icewm configuration.
[01:00:37] <Alorelith> matt0, please report CPU speed and memory too...
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[01:03:55] <matt0> what the--
[01:03:57] <matt0> he leaves?
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[01:04:06] <matt0> oh good you're back
[01:04:10] <Alorelith> hmph
[01:04:13] <matt0> ok I am getting 83 FPS right now
[01:04:15] <Alorelith> crap
[01:04:20] <matt0> but I am pretty sure I got over 100 before
[01:04:21] <Alorelith> what res?
[01:04:22] <matt0> like 120
[01:04:23] <Alorelith> that probably destroyed my download!
[01:04:25] <Alorelith> AGH!
[01:04:28] <matt0> so I think I need to do some tweaking hehe
[01:04:39] <matt0> well it's pretty much the lowest quality I could get
[01:04:53] <matt0> I am going to switch my desktop to 16 bit color and see if that helps
[01:04:55] <matt0> brb
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[01:07:53] <Alorelith> sweet
[01:07:56] <Alorelith> Tuxkart is fun
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[01:08:12] <matt0> ok that helped
[01:08:16] <matt0> I got 105.2 with a 16 bit desktop
[01:08:23] <matt0> not as high as I'd hoped, but closer to what I expected
[01:08:28] <matt0> I am getting like 140 in windows =(
[01:08:42] <matt0> Athlon 800, 320 megs of RAM, Hercules Dynamite TNT2 Ultra
[01:09:16] <matt0> that's using a bunch of speed tweaks at the expense of visual quality
[01:09:59] <Alorelith> Ok.
[01:10:02] <Alorelith> Basically the same set up
[01:10:16] <Alorelith> Athlon 750, 512, Tnt2 ultra
[01:10:27] <DraX> lucky
[01:10:36] <matt0> 750? that sounds like it's overclocked
[01:10:45] <Alorelith> nah
[01:10:47] <Alorelith> Well
[01:10:50] <Alorelith> Not that I know of
[01:10:51] * Alorelith laughs
[01:10:51] <DraX> 400/128/voodoo3 is my top box
[01:11:06] <Alorelith> brb
[01:11:10] <Alorelith> gonna try something with video
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[01:11:52] <matt0> hehe I am using some totally generic window manager right now
[01:12:18] <DraX> which one
[01:12:35] <matt0> not sure
[01:12:40] <matt0> it starts with a 't'
[01:12:44] <DraX> twm
[01:12:45] <DraX> tvwm
[01:12:50] <matt0> something like that
[01:13:00] <matt0> you right click on the background to bring up a simple menu hehe
[01:13:02] <DraX> twm is the wm
[01:13:15] <DraX> the first actual window manager wm
[01:14:35] <DraX> tvwm == twm with virtiual workspaces
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[01:23:21] <Alorelith> Well...
[01:23:35] <matt0> I got that dungeon master remake wookin
[01:23:45] <matt0> with that Blackthorne JDK errr Blackhand.. or whateverit's called
[01:24:22] <Alorelith> yeah?
[01:24:28] <Alorelith> Is it sweeeeeet?
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[01:28:19] <Alorelith> I take it something happened?
[01:28:30] <matt0> it wasn't quite working properly
[01:28:46] <Alorelith> what version of the nvidia drivers are you using?
[01:28:56] <Alorelith> and do you have AGP enabled?
[01:30:16] <matt0> I think 0.95
[01:30:19] <Alorelith> God
[01:30:22] <matt0> I don't know whether agp is enabled or not
[01:30:32] <Alorelith> type cat /proc/nv/card0
[01:30:48] <Alorelith> I think the debian mirrors are updating with Xfree86-4.0.3
[01:30:53] <Alorelith> they are all pathetically slow
[01:31:00] <matt0> I don't have any nv directory
[01:31:18] <Alorelith> whhhat?
[01:31:19] <Alorelith> that's odd.
[01:31:25] <matt0> not inside proc
[01:31:41] <Alorelith> hmmm
[01:31:43] <matt0> what ver drivers are you using?
[01:31:48] <Alorelith> .96 now
[01:31:58] <Alorelith> I don't think it's a newer feature.
[01:32:00] <matt0> maybe they added a proc?
[01:32:01] <matt0> oh
[01:32:07] * Alorelith shrugs
[01:32:49] <matt0> did you do any timedemos?
[01:33:13] <Alorelith> I don't have quake
[01:33:24] <matt0> oh
[01:33:28] <matt0> well so much for comparisons
[01:33:32] * Alorelith nods
[01:33:34] <Alorelith> do you have ssystem?
[01:33:40] <matt0> I don't think so
[01:33:43] <matt0> what is it?
[01:33:53] <Alorelith> just a solar system benchmarking thing
[01:34:00] <Alorelith> I'm not sure how demanding it is
[01:35:18] <matt0> apt-gettingit..
[01:36:39] <Alorelith> what resolution and color depth you on?
[01:36:51] <Alorelith> I run 1280x1024 and 24bpp
[01:37:00] <matt0> 1024x768
[01:37:01] <matt0> x32
[01:37:14] <matt0> I'm running it... what am I supposed to dow ith it? hehe
[01:37:24] <Alorelith> just type ssystem -bench
[01:38:54] <matt0> oh ok
[01:39:18] * Alorelith shrugs
[01:39:20] <Alorelith> it's not very accurate :P
[01:39:31] <Alorelith> err..
[01:39:33] <Alorelith> Benchmark worthy
[01:39:37] <matt0> 92.41 frames/sec
[01:39:42] <matt0> it says
[01:39:42] <Alorelith> damnit
[01:39:49] <matt0> but that's like in a window
[01:39:52] <Alorelith> do you use agpgart or nvagp?
[01:39:54] <matt0> pretty small window
[01:39:58] <matt0> I don't know if I do
[01:40:06] <Alorelith> well
[01:40:42] <Alorelith> type grep /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 NvAgp
[01:40:58] <Alorelith> ack
[01:41:09] <Alorelith> grep NvAgp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:41:32] <matt0> results show negative
[01:41:36] <Alorelith> if it's not there
[01:41:38] <Alorelith> it defaults to NvAgp
[01:41:51] <Alorelith> and you have a KX133
[01:41:53] <Alorelith> I just don't get it...
[01:42:00] <Alorelith> Why does mine always freeze on it.
[01:42:09] <matt0> maybe my tnt2 is diferent from yours =]
[01:42:43] <Alorelith> slime
[01:42:49] <Alorelith> you should try upgrading to the .96 drivers
[01:42:52] <Alorelith> and then see
[01:42:56] <matt0> hehe
[01:43:04] <Alorelith> AGH
[01:43:06] <matt0> I heard those 0.96 weren't so great
[01:43:24] <Alorelith> I heard the newest wasn't (agpgart doesn't work) but .96 is supposed to be good
[01:43:27] * Alorelith shrugs
[01:43:32] <Alorelith> maybe I'll downgrade
[01:43:34] <Alorelith> I almost had agpgart working
[01:43:36] <Alorelith> but then it froze :P
[01:44:09] <matt0> blast, looks like ftp.debian.org still has the old xfree on it
[01:44:24] <Alorelith> hehe
[01:44:25] <Alorelith> well
[01:44:27] <Alorelith> I'm off
[01:44:29] <Alorelith> ack
[01:44:29] <Alorelith> later
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[01:44:33] <matt0> bye
[01:49:36] <DraX> SHIT
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[14:15:34] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[14:15:39] <Colourless> hi
[14:15:43] <Fingolfin> sadly I have to leave now... ;/
[14:15:47] <Colourless> :)
[14:15:48] <Colourless> ok
[14:15:50] <Fingolfin> not because you came, though ;)
[14:15:56] <Colourless> :) good
[14:16:00] <Fingolfin> going to visit my grandparents in hospital
[14:16:05] <Fingolfin> will be back in 1-2 hours
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[14:16:14] <Colourless> oh ok
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[18:06:28] <wjp> hi
[18:14:23] <Fingolfin> hi
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[18:48:11] <Maloh> Hi all
[18:48:13] <wjp> hi
[18:48:32] <Maloh> How can I wipe all items in the world?
[18:48:41] <Maloh> Serpent Isle
[18:48:45] <wjp> you can't
[18:49:03] <Maloh> At all?
[18:49:06] <ariannerpg> Hi
[18:49:09] <wjp> not yet
[18:49:13] <wjp> hi ariannerpg
[18:49:17] <ariannerpg> Anyone of the Exult core here?
[18:49:22] <Maloh> There are a lot of items... :)
[18:49:34] <wjp> ariannerpg: me and Fingolfin
[18:49:44] <Fingolfin> hu?
[18:49:53] <Fingolfin> ah, hi miguel ;)
[18:49:58] <ariannerpg> :)
[18:50:13] <Fingolfin> Maloh: why would you want to wipe all items in the world? ;)
[18:50:20] <wjp> map editing?
[18:50:25] <Maloh> I want to create my own map
[18:50:31] <Maloh> Then add NPCs
[18:50:33] <Fingolfin> Maloh: but I guess you indeed could... would take a lot of time though ;)
[18:50:41] <Maloh> :)
[18:50:49] <wjp> ctrl-d ctrl-d ctrl-d ctrl-d ctrl-d...
[18:51:07] <Maloh> Ahh yes, manually :)
[18:51:50] <Maloh> Can the NPC scripts (talking) be edited?
[18:52:19] <wjp> yes, more or less
[18:52:32] <wjp> (ie. not easily, but it can be done)
[18:52:37] <Maloh> What would I need to learn to do that?
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[18:53:09] <wjp> our home-grown usecode language
[18:53:19] <wjp> I don't think there's any documentation for it, yet
[18:53:32] <Maloh> Could anyone help me?
[18:53:55] <Maloh> Learn that is
[18:54:09] <wjp> well, we should write dome docs for it eventually
[18:54:23] <wjp> I haven't even looked at it yet, though
[18:54:45] <Maloh> What exactly is the usecode for?
[18:54:49] <Maloh> Interaction?
[18:55:01] <wjp> almost everything
[18:55:25] <Maloh> Are ye using the usecode from the original, or doing your own?
[18:55:26] <wjp> from opening doors to spells to conversation to books to...
[18:56:07] <wjp> we use the one from the original. That way we preserve the plot, and other things
[18:56:16] <Maloh> Ahh I see
[18:56:27] <Maloh> And I guess ye learn this along the way?
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[18:56:35] <wjp> yup
[18:56:37] <wjp> hi Jeff
[18:56:38] <freedman> Hello.
[18:56:48] <freedman> Someone asking about usecode?
[18:56:53] <Maloh> Yea
[18:56:54] <wjp> yup :-)
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[18:56:58] <Maloh> I'd love to learn it
[18:57:19] <Fingolfin> hi jeff
[18:57:29] <freedman> It's only partly done.
[18:57:31] <Fingolfin> so it seems if we need jeff, we only have to say "usecode" thrice or so ;)
[18:57:31] <ariannerpg> It is about how Ultima files are used on Exult
[18:57:47] <ariannerpg> You get the files from CD and every time the game is run the files are get from there
[18:57:56] <freedman> Heh.
[18:58:14] <freedman> Usecode is the script that drives the plot.
[18:58:24] <Maloh> Yes, I get that
[18:58:32] <freedman> We don't know what the original language looked like, so mine is just a guess.
[18:59:00] <Maloh> Is there anyway I could learn it?
[18:59:01] <freedman> There's a small, working example in CVS, I think in the data directory.
[18:59:04] <wjp> Jeff: compiled a list of questions for Ken Demarest yet? :-)
[18:59:31] <freedman> Maloh: No docs yet, and it may change. You'd have to look at the source in usecode/compiler.:-(
[18:59:51] <freedman> Wjp: Just the 2 I put in the reply. Don't want to scare him away:-)
[19:00:17] <wjp> did you get my mail about that, btw?
[19:00:22] <freedman> I exchanged email with him a couple years ago, but never got anywhere.
[19:00:34] <freedman> wjp: Yes, and I forwarded the reply to him. Thanks!
[19:01:15] <wjp> np
[19:01:38] <Maloh> Jeff, did you try to go into Usecode or just brush the surface?
[19:02:09] <freedman> Maloh: Do you mean the compiler or the interpreter?
[19:02:26] <Maloh> I mean to program it
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[19:02:36] <Maloh> Compile it I guess
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[19:03:21] <freedman> It's kind of like a C-compiler, but without the libraries. It needs support for 'scheduled usecode' and constants, at the least.
[19:03:52] <Maloh> Did you have much success with it?
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[19:04:02] <freedman> Also, we need to be able to add our own persistent data. U7 only has 'global flags'.
[19:04:15] <Maloh> Global flags?
[19:04:42] <freedman> Maloh: What's there seems to work. There's a small example that does something when you approach a horse or click on it.
[19:05:15] <Maloh> Ok, I see
[19:05:19] <wjp> global flags store things like "got the trinsic password", "solved quest X", "mentioned Y to person Z"
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[19:05:51] <freedman> The only persisten data that U7's usecode uses is a large set of bit-flags. I'd like to at least store integer variables so we can have more complex behaviour.
[19:06:24] <Maloh> That sounds good
[19:06:28] <Maloh> How does the usecode identify items, by type or id?
[19:06:40] <freedman> One problem now: Exult only saves/restores the global flags in the current 'usecode' file. We'll want to add more.
[19:07:29] <freedman> Items: The item that causes a function to be called gets passed to the function. Npc's are identified by # (-359 = Avatar, I think)
[19:07:55] <Maloh> I see
[19:08:31] <freedman> I'm afraid I've put it aside lately while fixing BG bugs and working on SFX.
[19:08:33] <wjp> so, when you double click an object, the object is automatically passed to the functions. Other objects are usually located by a call to 'get_nearby', which returns nearby items of a certain type
[19:08:45] <freedman> Right.
[19:08:59] <Maloh> I see
[19:09:46] <freedman> Generally, each object type has its own usecode function. It would be nice if we could define data for each of those that get stored when you save a game.
[19:10:38] <freedman> We probably should work more on map-editing first though. Or getting SI to work:-)
[19:11:05] <Maloh> That's true
[19:11:08] <wjp> I wish I could spend more time on exult this semester :-(
[19:11:29] <freedman> You mean school's more important than Ultima:-)
[19:11:38] <wjp> well....
[19:11:43] <Maloh> :)
[19:11:43] <wjp> no.... but....
[19:12:11] <wjp> I do have a 2 week around easter :-)
[19:12:14] <freedman> I wish I didn't have to go to work...
[19:12:16] <wjp> 2 week vacation, that is
[19:12:33] <freedman> Going anywhere?
[19:12:39] <wjp> nope
[19:13:12] <wjp> I'm going to be glued to my computer for two weeks ;-)
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[19:13:33] <freedman> You're kidding:-)
[19:13:50] <wjp> who needs fresh air/exercise/a life anyway :-)
[19:14:39] <freedman> Well, a 'life' can be overrated...
[19:14:55] <Fingolfin> hehe
[19:15:03] <Fingolfin> you only live twice
[19:15:06] <Fingolfin> after all ;)
[19:15:10] <freedman> Someone should invent a PC that blows fresh air at you, or with various odors.
[19:15:16] <Maloh> Hehe
[19:16:37] <Maloh> In "The Worlds Most Stupid Inventions" there was a greenhouse you wear on your head... it had flowers and all...
[19:16:52] <wjp> lol
[19:16:55] <freedman> :-)
[19:17:38] <freedman> I recall reading about odor-emitters in movie theatres. Don't know if it was ever implemented.
[19:19:04] <Maloh> Does anyone know a site I can get good info on C++?
[19:19:28] <wjp> hmmm... no, sorry
[19:19:32] <freedman> Another topic: I met the founder of the 'Linux Fund' the other night. They give out $1000 grants. Maybe we should apply, and split up the money for hardware.
[19:19:48] <wjp> hmm... sounds good :-)
[19:19:59] <wjp> is that the same thing SDL applied for a while back?
[19:20:12] <freedman> Yes. I voted for them.
[19:20:31] <wjp> do you have an URL?
[19:20:39] <wjp> nm, got it
[19:20:46] <freedman> www.linuxfund.org
[19:21:05] <wjp> I typed www.linuxf, and mozilla auto-completed it :-)
[19:21:10] <wjp> guess I was there before :-)
[19:21:20] <freedman> :-)
[19:21:56] <freedman> I didn't think of applying before, since Exult isn't exactly crucial to the success of Linux.
[19:22:26] <wjp> it isn't? ;-)
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[19:23:05] <Fingolfin|dinner> it is!
[19:23:20] <freedman> Anyway, got to get back to work, which means rebooting to Windows for a while:-(
[19:23:30] <wjp> see you later
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[19:23:50] <wjp> oh right, weekly update time
[19:24:01] <wjp> I keep forgetting to do it in the weekend
[19:25:39] <Maloh> Does anyone know a good place for website hosting? Namely free website hosting...
[19:26:40] <wjp> hmm... not really
[19:26:49] <wjp> haven't really looked into it, though
[19:27:15] <Maloh> Do ye think anyone would mind if I mentioned Exult on a site?
[19:27:54] <wjp> nope :-)
[19:28:07] <Maloh> Okie Dokie
[19:28:31] <wjp> (unless you're really negative about it ;-) )
[19:28:51] <Maloh> The adventure began 1991... It continues 2001... EXULT Ultima VII Engine!
[19:29:05] <Maloh> :-)
[19:29:47] <wjp> sounds good
[19:29:56] <Maloh> It's in Flash
[19:30:25] <Maloh> Made in Flash that is
[19:30:29] <wjp> not too big I hope? (/me has a bit of a slow connection)
[19:30:40] <Maloh> No, it's very small
[19:51:46] <Maloh> Is UDIC dead?
[19:51:59] <wjp> well... that's open for discussion
[19:52:10] <Maloh> Who ran it?
[19:52:21] <wjp> not a clue
[19:52:39] <wjp> the newsgroup probably has some more info on it
[19:52:53] <Maloh> What newsgroup?
[19:53:07] <wjp> rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons
[19:54:14] <wjp> or maybe the horizons tavern at www.horizonstavern.com
[19:55:06] <Maloh> Thanks
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[19:58:46] <Maloh> Hi
[20:00:26] <matt0> hi
[20:00:32] <wjp> matt0!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:00:35] <wjp> ;-)
[20:02:25] <matt0> wjp!!!!!!!!!
[20:04:16] * wjp just found the Eriadain (aka 'alteru9') website again!
[20:04:54] <matt0> yes!!!!
[20:05:07] <matt0> hehe
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[20:05:26] <wjp|away> bbl
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[20:06:57] <Fingolfin> back
[20:07:01] <Fingolfin> and of course I missed wjp
[20:13:03] <Maloh> Does "The Traveller's Rest" sound ok for a U7 website?
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[20:23:40] <Maloh> Hi DraX
[20:23:45] <DraX> hi
[20:24:55] <Fingolfin> hi
[20:25:13] * DraX has enjoyed complaing about sound :)
[20:33:24] <Maloh> I have to go
[20:33:27] <Maloh> See ye later
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[20:46:10] <Lorson> does it matter where you insert that new line in the exult.cfg for waves?
[20:47:05] <Lorson> anyone there?
[20:48:06] <Lorson> i'm cold and frightened
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[20:57:40] <Blackthorn_the_Friendly_Tyrant> Hello, my dear ExultBot.
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[20:58:09] <Blackthorn_the_Friendly_Tyrant> I trust thou art well today?
[20:58:38] <DraX> wjp, hey, i emailed another bugfix :)
[20:58:41] <Blackthorn_the_Friendly_Tyrant> Thou must indeed be, or thou wouldst have responded in the negative.
[20:58:43] <DraX> yesterday
[20:58:46] <wjp> yes, I am, thank thee
[20:59:56] <wjp> DraX: you did?
[20:59:56] <DraX> wjp, just need another ifdef OPENBSD in gump_utils and then you can use the X11 timer instead of calling SDL_Timer
[21:00:04] <DraX> wjp, to exult-general
[21:00:15] <DraX> man select :)
[21:00:15] <Blackthorn_the_Friendly_Tyrant> Fare thee well, my dearest Bot of Exult. Out threads in the pattern shall surely cross again!
[21:00:35] <exultbot> Fare thee well
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[21:01:12] <wjp> DraX: what subject? (the email you sent)
[21:01:26] <DraX> don't remeber :(
[21:01:39] <DraX> i can tell you if you want :)
[21:02:06] <DraX> you need to add an: #ifdef OPENBSD
[21:02:09] <wjp> ah, found it
[21:02:12] <DraX> include <sys/types.h>
[21:02:23] <DraX> #include <unistd.h>
[21:02:27] <DraX> #endif
[21:03:21] <DraX> i can't produce a cvs binary because of SDL not being built with sound though
[21:03:45] <DraX> so i don't know if exult works in cvs
[21:03:52] <DraX> s/exult/openbsd
[21:04:12] <wjp> gump_utils.h didn't compile before including those 2 files?
[21:04:19] <DraX> ya
[21:04:41] <DraX> also uccparse.c didn't compile, and the only fix was to replace it with the one from alpha2
[21:05:52] <wjp> ok, committed the patch to gump_utils.h
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[21:06:38] <ariannerpg> Hi
[21:06:43] <wjp> hi again
[21:07:03] <DraX> another thing, it will not link in openbsd if you don't add a bunch of -l's
[21:07:06] <ariannerpg> Can now I get answer to files question? :)
[21:07:18] <wjp> oh, that was a question?
[21:07:26] <wjp> (you didn't add a question mark, and the comment was correct...)
[21:07:41] <wjp> so: yes :-)
[21:07:51] <ariannerpg> How Ultima 7 files are managed on Exult?
[21:07:57] <DraX> the link commands need to include this: -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lXxf86dga
[21:08:03] <DraX> or exult will not link on openbs
[21:08:04] <DraX> d
[21:08:14] <ariannerpg> Taking it from CD and changing it to addapt to a new format and storing it?
[21:08:37] <wjp> no, we use the original files
[21:08:48] <ariannerpg> So no changes?
[21:08:50] <wjp> no
[21:09:08] <ariannerpg> ( I am plannig to use Baldur's Gate GFX on Arianne )
[21:09:22] <ariannerpg> So I wanted to know what other have done.
[21:09:28] <wjp> ah, I see
[21:09:34] <ariannerpg> Changing and storing would be illegal?
[21:09:47] <wjp> I think so, yes
[21:09:50] <wjp> (copyright)
[21:10:10] <ariannerpg> k, so no changes
[21:10:32] <wjp> you also can't distribute the files with your program
[21:10:42] <DraX> legally :)
[21:11:15] <wjp> the users will need to have their own copy of Baldur's Gate. (and its graphics files)
[21:12:35] <chimera|work> no not that!
[21:12:51] <wjp> DraX: can you give me some more info on the ucparse bug?
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[21:14:52] <chimera|work> wjp: I guess that's a 'no'
[21:14:56] <wjp> :-)
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[21:21:20] <chimera|work> arrgh I want xfree 4.0.3 now!
[21:23:28] <wjp> what's stopping you?
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[21:23:38] <Lorson> anyone around?
[21:23:40] <wjp> yup
[21:23:55] <wjp> where did you try to put <waves> ?
[21:24:08] <Lorson> heh, my old message is still there
[21:24:17] <wjp> yes, I read it :-)
[21:24:28] <Lorson> well actually i have the latest snapshot, and there is a command already there
[21:24:40] <Lorson> so i replaced with the new one written on your homepage
[21:24:50] <Lorson> still no new sounds, although the old ones still work
[21:24:55] <wjp> did it say "---" first?
[21:25:25] <Lorson> what do you mean?
[21:25:42] <wjp> in the config file, the part that you replaced
[21:26:21] <wjp> oh wait a sec... is there a config file supplied with the snapshots?
[21:26:28] <Lorson> it was very similar to the command <waves> etc.. ecxept this part /path/to/jmsx.flx was different
[21:26:50] <wjp> ok, I see
[21:26:51] <chimera|work> wjp: I can't find a debian package for it. I could compile from source but that would be messy.
[21:27:12] <wjp> chimera|work: ah... well, there should be one soon, right?
[21:27:33] <wjp> Lorson: is there a line saying "Digital SFX's file specified: ...." in stderr.txt?
[21:27:46] <Lorson> one sec
[21:28:16] <Lorson> i dont have that txt file
[21:28:31] <Lorson> wait yes i do, one sec
[21:28:45] <Lorson> it says file not found
[21:29:21] <Lorson> Loading default keybindings
[21:29:21] <Lorson> Digital SFX's file specified: /path/to/jmsfx.flx
[21:29:21] <Lorson> ... but file not found
[21:29:46] <wjp> you did replace that path, right?
[21:30:11] <Lorson> yes i did, its right after </keys>
[21:30:19] <wjp> did you save it?
[21:30:38] <Lorson> yes i did
[21:30:45] <wjp> hmm... weird
[21:30:50] <chimera|work> wjp: yes, there should be
[21:30:57] <Lorson> jmsfx file supposed to me in the main ultima7 dir
[21:31:11] <wjp> it doesn't really matter where the file is
[21:31:24] <wjp> what's your config file called? (the one you edited)
[21:31:42] <Lorson> exult.cfg
[21:31:53] <wjp> and it's in the directory from which you call exult?
[21:32:12] <Lorson> no its in my main c:\ultima7 directory
[21:32:32] <wjp> exult.cfg needs to be in the same dir. as exult.exe
[21:32:38] <wjp> (otherwise it won't be able to find it)
[21:33:03] <Lorson> actually the file is in that directory though
[21:33:20] <Lorson> hmmm, i think i am just going to reinstall u7, with the latest offical patch and then put the sound
[21:33:43] <wjp> could you paste the <waves> part from exult.cfg?
[21:34:04] <Lorson> <waves>
[21:34:04] <Lorson> </waves>
[21:34:30] <Lorson> d /path/to/jmsfx.flx
[21:34:36] <wjp> ah, I see
[21:34:41] <Lorson> the third part in in the middle without the d
[21:34:46] <wjp> you need to replace that with the path to jmsfx.flx...
[21:35:21] <Lorson> oh ok, ie c:\ultima7\jmsfx.flx
[21:35:27] <wjp> yup
[21:35:36] <Lorson> thank you very much
[21:35:44] <wjp> you're welcome
[21:35:55] * wjp goes and puts that on the homepage
[21:35:59] <Lorson> and thanks for making this patch
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[21:39:21] <chimera|work> wow wjp, you are just a team player! hehe
[21:39:32] <wjp> ?
[21:40:05] <chimera|work> hehe... that's what this guy at work calls everyone
[21:40:43] <wjp> :-)
[21:41:13] <chimera|work> 'team player' makes reference to an individual on a sports team who understands the importance of the team concept and acts accordingly
[21:41:24] <wjp> yeah, I got that part :-)
[21:41:39] <chimera|work> what else was there to get? hehe
[21:42:01] <wjp> umm... the relevance here? :-)
[21:42:18] <chimera|work> hehe
[21:42:52] <chimera|work> because you're helping people with exult, instead of saying "Talk to Freedman about that problem" hehe
[21:43:05] <wjp> that would be rude :-)
[21:43:17] <chimera|work> hehe...
[22:11:30] <Fingolfin> hehe
[22:11:34] <Fingolfin> wjp is da man ;)
[22:12:02] * wjp sighs
[22:13:04] * Fingolfin whispers to chimera: you think he'll find out we just want him to do even more work? ;)
[22:13:24] * wjp whispers back to Fingolfin: he just might ;-)
[22:14:02] * Fingolfin whispers to wjp: ok, then we better be careful otherwise you might get suspicous ;)
[22:14:12] <Fingolfin> Sword Of Truth volume 4, yummy
[22:14:27] * wjp whispers: ok, I won't tell me
[22:15:10] <Fingolfin> lol
[22:15:47] * wjp blinks at Dominik's e-mail
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[22:17:23] <wjp> ah, just the one I was looking for :-)
[22:17:28] <Fingolfin> lol
[22:17:30] <wjp> hey Dominik
[22:17:31] <Dominus> hi
[22:17:37] <chimera|work> volume 4, eh? how far are you?
[22:17:38] <Fingolfin> hi dom
[22:17:44] <Fingolfin> just begun
[22:17:48] <Fingolfin> still at the beginning
[22:17:48] <chimera|work> Dominus: it seems you have some explaining to do after that email you sent
[22:17:59] <Fingolfin> Mord-Sith Cara torturing that pimp sent by Jalang
[22:18:02] <Dominus> me???
[22:18:03] <wjp> aaaah.... bad Jeff....
[22:18:04] <Dominus> :-)
[22:18:12] * wjp found bug in audio code
[22:18:21] <chimera|work> Fingolfin: I liked how in book 3, Richard grabbed Khalan and said "Tell me where the mother Confessor right now!" or something hehe
[22:18:23] <Dominus> that about the sfx?
[22:18:32] <chimera|work> and she's like "You're about to slit her throat, Richard..."
[22:18:33] <chimera|work> hehehe
[22:18:44] <Fingolfin> yeah ;)
[22:18:47] <wjp> Jeff calls play_wave_sfx without checking if there are wave_sfx to be played...
[22:18:50] <chimera|work> Jagang?
[22:18:57] <Dominus> seems I have to read the series again, canīt remember too well
[22:18:59] <wjp> bad bad Jeff :-)
[22:19:13] <chimera|work> looks like Jeff is getting sloppy
[22:19:15] <wjp> That's when he's running around in the palace of the prophets, right?
[22:19:21] <chimera|work> wjp: that's right
[22:19:55] <chimera|work> book 4 has some gotcha's in it... watch out
[22:20:01] <chimera|work> I can say no more
[22:20:11] <chimera|work> please say no more
[22:20:12] <Dominus> wjp: so I donīt have to explain anymore, do I?
[22:20:25] <wjp> no, I think I got it
[22:21:06] <chimera|work> I want to read book 7 =(
[22:21:31] <wjp> chimera|work: me too :-(, or WoT book 10, or ..., or.... ;-)
[22:22:02] <chimera|work> I am looking forward more to SoT 7 than WoT 10
[22:22:07] <Dominus> did anybody read the Otherland -series by Tad Williams?
[22:22:12] <chimera|work> although WoT 9 did redeem that series back into ruling status
[22:22:13] * wjp didn't
[22:22:28] <Dominus> itīs a great series
[22:22:35] <Dominus> virtual reality
[22:22:39] <wjp> Dominus: patch committed
[22:22:47] <Dominus> monsters, and so on!
[22:22:55] <Dominus> wjp:great
[22:23:34] <Dominus> can aynbody tell me how to create a flx file? I assume with expack, right?
[22:24:16] <wjp> yup
[22:24:25] <Dominus> :-)
[22:24:27] <wjp> take a look at 'wavlist' supplied with jmsfx.zip
[22:24:51] <wjp> edit it, make sure the SFX order is preserved, and run 'expack -i wavlist'
[22:25:02] <Dominus> ahhh!
[22:25:23] <chimera|work> flx? maybe you need to use flex
[22:25:24] <Dominus> additionaly I just got the mailing list reply by Jeff!
[22:25:29] <chimera|work> =]
[22:26:03] <Dominus> asking if there should be a gui! Well, Iīm a windows user but I donīt need a gui for everything
[22:26:23] <chimera|work> windows users need special help
[22:26:33] <Dominus> :-)
[22:26:39] <Fingolfin> I read a lot of bad critics about SoT 7
[22:27:00] <Dominus> not the ones who messed with Dos befor Win9x
[22:27:23] <Dominus> well, a little maybe
[22:27:25] <wjp> Fingolfin: you did?
[22:27:31] <chimera|work> bad critics?
[22:27:36] <wjp> it's not even been released yet, right?
[22:27:48] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[22:27:48] <chimera|work> yeah it's not out yet to my knowledge
[22:27:57] <Fingolfin> or I mix it up with SoT 9 ?
[22:28:00] <Fingolfin> arh
[22:28:02] <Fingolfin> SoT 6
[22:28:12] <Fingolfin> I typed the key uoward-down ;)
[22:28:19] <chimera|work> SoT 6 rules!!!
[22:28:24] <chimera|work> no one can say anything bad about that one =]
[22:28:29] <Fingolfin> hey
[22:28:32] <chimera|work> and be telling the truth
[22:28:33] <chimera|work> hehehe
[22:28:36] <Fingolfin> I didn't do ;) I can't without reading it ;)
[22:28:42] <wjp> how about: it was too short!
[22:28:47] <Fingolfin> I am refering to cricits on Amazon.de (in english though)
[22:28:49] <chimera|work> hehe
[22:28:59] <chimera|work> amazon.de ... pfah! what do they know?
[22:29:33] <chimera|work> I can understand criticizing book 4 ... hehe
[22:29:35] <Fingolfin> it is not from them!
[22:29:39] <chimera|work> that book had some problems IMO
[22:29:42] <chimera|work> but book 6 was great
[22:29:43] <Fingolfin> the crictics are by users
[22:29:56] <Fingolfin> book 4 is the one I am reading... so I'll find out I guess ;)
[22:30:03] <Fingolfin> already have 5, too ;)
[22:30:07] <chimera|work> Fingolfin: I know, that's why I am not going into any detail
[22:30:18] <wjp> I still need to get 5 sometime
[22:30:30] * chimera|work has all of them, in hardback form
[22:30:44] <wjp> I've got all except 5 in hardback
[22:31:22] <Fingolfin> I have them as pocketbooks, prefer that, and is cheaper, too ;)
[22:31:35] <Fingolfin> I don't htink this IRC app will report the correct version ;)
[22:31:44] <wjp> hehe :-)
[22:31:52] <Fingolfin> it runs in classic anyway
[22:32:04] <wjp> classic == ?
[22:32:12] <chimera|work> Dominus: how's that FAQ coming? heh heh heh
[22:32:26] <Fingolfin> classic == MacOS Classic; allows me to run "old" MacOS apps
[22:32:31] <wjp> is there already an entry about the .wav's in the FAQ?
[22:32:39] <wjp> Fingolfin: ah, I see
[22:32:42] <Fingolfin> and I haven't tried to run exult... there are so many apps I want to install / port ;)
[22:32:51] <Dominus> Iīm waiting for the sound system to settle down a bit to describe it better
[22:33:18] <Dominus> wjp: not yet
[22:33:59] <wjp> I should go to bed
[22:34:01] <Dominus> does any of you run an Win32 box and can compile me an actual version of expack?
[22:34:06] <wjp> g'night all
[22:34:12] <Dominus> night!
[22:34:16] <Fingolfin> night
[22:34:31] <wjp> Dominus: maybe Travis could build 'development' snapshots every once in a while?
[22:34:46] <wjp> bye
[22:34:48] <Dominus> mhm, Iīll ask him! thx
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[22:40:13] <chimera|work> Fingolfin: hehehe.. helping ShreadWheat again, eh?
[22:48:55] <Fingolfin> sure ;)
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[22:49:43] <DraX> i hate my isp
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[22:56:04] <Fingolfin> hi kirben
[22:56:08] <Fingolfin> ok, so i need to install automake
[22:57:07] <DraX> SDL build on IRIX is starting now, when it's done, if it's done a build of exult will begin on IRIX
[22:57:15] <Fingolfin> hehe
[22:57:21] <Fingolfin> SDL built on MacOSX is finished
[22:57:38] <Fingolfin> once I installed all the missing packages needed for exult, I'll begin building exult ;)
[22:57:41] <Kirben> Hi
[22:57:44] <DraX> i'm prolly gonna do a freebsd build one of these days
[22:59:43] <Fingolfin> automake installed like a breeze
[22:59:54] <Fingolfin> good thing: Apple ships OS X with the latest version of OS X
[22:59:59] <Kirben> compile is broken:
[23:00:00] <Kirben> g++ -mwindows -O2 -include mingw_kludges.h -DVERSION=\"0.92cvs\" -DEXULT_DATADIR
[23:00:01] <Kirben> =\"data\" -g3 -DDEBUG -DCYGWIN -DSIZEOF_SHORT=2 -DSIZEOF_INT=4 -I./imagewin -I./
[23:00:01] <Kirben> shapes -I./files -I. -I./audio -I./conf -I./gumps -I./objs -I./pathfinder -I./us
[23:00:01] <Kirben> ecode -I./sdl/include -c -o Audio.o ./audio/Audio.cc
[23:00:04] <Kirben> ./audio/Audio.cc: In method `class AudioID Audio::play_wave_sfx(int, int = 128,
[23:00:05] <Fingolfin> hence all "proper" unix software should be possible to port
[23:00:06] <Kirben> int = 0, bool = false)':
[23:00:06] <Fingolfin> hrm
[23:00:08] <Kirben> ./audio/Audio.cc:752: `return' with no value, in function returning non-void
[23:00:10] <Kirben> make: *** [Audio.o] Error 1
[23:00:19] <Fingolfin> I'll check that, Kirben
[23:03:35] <Kirben> bbl
[23:04:35] <Fingolfin> do you have latest CVS?
[23:08:55] <DraX> your code is about to get critiuged by mipspro :)
[23:09:14] <DraX> 18:07:41 Skate82485: i've never compiled a successful C++ program on IRIX, with mipspro... WEIRD errors. i'll still try though
[23:18:08] <Fingolfin> darn
[23:18:26] <Fingolfin> libtool is not working properly :/
[23:18:36] <DraX> Fingolfin, does SDL have any midi stuff to it? :)
[23:19:30] <Fingolfin> no
[23:19:37] <Fingolfin> otherwise we would use it
[23:20:07] <DraX> Fingolfin, well it seems MIDI won't work on irix either, and i know what that means
[23:20:17] <DraX> exult not working at all because of a damned sound driver
[23:20:35] <Fingolfin> hrm
[23:20:44] <Fingolfin> what exactly is not working about MIDI?
[23:20:51] <Fingolfin> timidity not installing?
[23:20:52] <Fingolfin> hm
[23:20:57] <Fingolfin> I run fine without midi on MacOS, btw
[23:21:05] <Fingolfin> it is very easy to just disable midi
[23:21:09] <Fingolfin> if that is your only problem...
[23:21:15] <DraX> no
[23:21:16] <Fingolfin> I will have to disable it on OS X at first, too
[23:21:20] <DraX> it's the sound sybsystem in general
[23:21:32] <DraX> strangly sdl supports sound on openbsd
[23:21:44] <DraX> but exult freezes up for sound threading or sound reasons
[23:21:49] <Fingolfin> WOOO-HOOOO!!! exult begins to build!
[23:21:56] <Fingolfin> strange
[23:22:06] <Fingolfin> but then, IMHO, the exult audio code is quite messy :/
[23:22:14] <Fingolfin> (no insult to anybody intended)
[23:22:20] <Fingolfin> it is not working well on MacOS either
[23:23:41] <DraX> Fingolfin, SDL is now built on IRIX 6.5 :)
[23:23:51] <DraX> he's going to download cvs exult now
[23:24:40] <Fingolfin> who?
[23:24:54] <DraX> friend adam
[23:24:58] <DraX> my friend
[23:25:08] <DraX> i asked him to build it on irix
[23:26:00] <DraX> these error messages scare me:
[23:26:01] <DraX> SDL_mapping.o: Undefined symbol `_SDL_QuitSubSystem' referenced from data segment
[23:26:01] <DraX> SDL_mapping.o: Undefined symbol `_SDL_InitSubSystem' referenced from data segment
[23:26:28] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[23:26:34] <Fingolfin> that is bad...
[23:26:36] <Fingolfin> wait a sec
[23:26:42] <DraX> i think thats sound
[23:26:58] <Fingolfin> argh
[23:27:05] <DraX> because all the other SDL errors have to do with Sound
[23:27:06] <Fingolfin> gump_utils.h error: select() not found
[23:27:11] <DraX> Fingolfin, i have a fix
[23:27:21] <DraX> Fingolfin, add #include <sys/types.h>
[23:27:25] <Fingolfin> ah ok
[23:27:27] <DraX> and #include <unistd.h>
[23:27:30] <Fingolfin> I thought wjp did this already?
[23:27:35] <DraX> needed on openbsd also
[23:27:44] <DraX> so did i
[23:27:50] <Fingolfin> ah he only did it for OpenBSD
[23:27:56] <Fingolfin> it should be there for all BSD sytems...
[23:28:00] <Fingolfin> or maybe even for all OS
[23:29:39] <Fingolfin> but for now I should extend configure.in
[23:29:54] <Fingolfin> also I never worked with any of libtool/autoconf/automake ;)
[23:29:57] <Fingolfin> time to learn it then
[23:30:43] <DraX> i think it's BSD specific, but we'll know if it's more broad then that when irix is done
[23:31:24] <DraX> 18:30:05 Skate82485: #include <unistd.h>
[23:31:25] <DraX> #include <sys/types.h>
[23:31:25] <DraX> #include <bstring.h>
[23:31:25] <DraX> #include <sys/time.h>?
[23:31:30] <DraX> -?
[23:31:40] <DraX> so it's more broad then BSD
[23:31:42] <DraX> IRIX is a sysv os
[23:32:29] <Fingolfin> well
[23:32:37] <Fingolfin> these headers are standard POSIX headers
[23:32:42] <Fingolfin> it shoudl be OK to always include them
[23:32:48] <DraX> that linux dosen't follow
[23:32:53] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[23:33:05] <Fingolfin> you mean linux does not have unistd.h and sys/types.h ?
[23:33:10] <DraX> it does
[23:33:17] <DraX> but it dosen't need them to build gump_utis
[23:33:22] <Fingolfin> ah yes
[23:33:31] <Fingolfin> but we still can include them safely
[23:33:41] <DraX> probably
[23:41:49] <DraX> Fingolfin, hows it going?
[23:42:27] <Fingolfin> hrm
[23:42:39] <Fingolfin> I need to figure out how to specify the compile flags properly...
[23:43:03] <DraX> whats wrong?
[23:45:29] <Fingolfin> I need to different command lines for linking & compiling:
[23:45:30] <Fingolfin> cc -c myprog.c -I/usr/local/include/SDL -F/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework
[23:45:30] <Fingolfin> cc myprog.o -L/usr/local/lib -lSDL -framework Carbon
[23:45:50] <Fingolfin> in configure.in, I can specify SYS_LIBS...
[23:45:58] <Fingolfin> but I am not sure for which command this is
[23:46:04] <Fingolfin> and I am not sure where it is used
[23:46:08] <Fingolfin> hence I must find out ;)
[23:46:17] <DraX> SYSLIB is link :)
[23:46:26] <Fingolfin> good
[23:46:31] <Fingolfin> but what about compiler flags?
[23:46:47] <DraX> CFLAGS
[23:47:01] <Fingolfin> ah of course
[23:47:03] * Fingolfin thwaps himself
[23:48:12] <DraX> :P
[23:49:22] <DraX> Fingolfin, it seems it worked on irix...
[23:49:27] <DraX> 18:47:13 Skate82485: would oyu hate me if i said it compiles?
[23:53:38] <Fingolfin> hehe
[23:53:43] <Fingolfin> where is Skate?!?!
[23:53:47] <Fingolfin> why is he not here ? :(
[23:53:51] <DraX> AIM :)
[23:53:56] <Fingolfin> ah ok ;)
[23:53:59] <DraX> he hasn't executed it yet though
[23:54:16] <DraX> i told him to get on irc an djoin
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[23:55:56] <DraX> Fingolfin, :P
[23:56:09] <skate111> M'hm.
[23:56:26] <DraX> skate111, your gonna have to walk over to that hunk of metal to try it though
[23:56:40] <skate111> yeah?
[23:56:50] <skate111> no remote X?
[23:56:59] <DraX> that'll work fine
[23:57:03] <skate111> :)
[23:57:12] <DraX> but unless you have nas, no sound :P
[23:57:19] <skate111> yeah ;)
[23:57:46] <skate111> i'm not far from the machine, i can just use my remote and turn the sound system it's plugged into up :)
[23:58:05] <DraX> i wanna know if it works :P
[23:59:03] <skate111> i can probably hear the internal speaker anyways\