#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 19 Sep 2001 (GMT)

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[00:40:47] <Waz> hi-dee hi-dee ho
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[03:36:18] <Waz> exit
[03:36:21] <Waz> doh
[03:36:21] <Waz> hehe
[03:36:28] <Waz> :)
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[12:59:54] <fingolfin> hi
[13:00:08] <Colourless> hi
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[13:26:45] <Waz> what were those paths in the make file again?
[13:26:58] <Colourless> ?
[13:27:10] <Waz> makefile.win32
[13:27:46] <Colourless> what do you want?
[13:28:05] <Waz> to compile exult, the windows makefile needs altering..
[13:28:11] <Waz> i forgot in what why
[13:28:22] <Waz> it had to do with paths
[13:28:31] <Waz> from a \ to a \\ or something liek that
[13:28:44] <Colourless> yeah something like that. I don't have time right now
[13:28:48] <Waz> ok :)
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[14:36:52] <TonyHoyt> Hello people. What's new?
[14:37:05] <TonyHoyt> exultbot -?
[14:37:18] <TonyHoyt> Dammit.. what are his commands.. *grumbles*
[14:37:21] <Colourless> hi
[14:37:25] <TonyHoyt> Hey Colourless.
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[14:50:20] <wjp> hi
[14:50:33] <TonyHoyt> Hi Wjp.
[14:50:41] <Colourless> hi
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[15:06:05] <Nadir> hi
[15:06:17] <TonyHoyt> Hi Nadir.
[15:06:27] <Colourless> hi
[15:07:03] <Nadir> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/19/1244221&mode=thread
[15:08:38] <Nadir> There is some Exult praise in the replies to that article :)
[15:08:59] <TonyHoyt> The Ultima 1 Artical?
[15:09:03] <TonyHoyt> article even.
[15:09:22] <Nadir> yep
[15:10:03] <Nadir> Didn't they run a similar article a while ago ?
[15:10:06] <TonyHoyt> The thing is, there hasn't been an updated release in months for the U1 guys. So for now, they have a nice pretty website but, nothing special in the demo. Although it is a attractive demo.
[15:10:26] <TonyHoyt> They may have Nadir, I wouldn't be supprised.
[15:14:19] <wjp> " As I read about this same story in this month's issue of PC Gamer I thought the coolest part was that Peroxide got permission to re-create Ultima I by simply calling up Richard Garriot and asking his permission. The only stipulation he placed on it was that Peroxide couldn't sell it."
[15:15:42] <gwm> The same thing happened with a Game Boy version of Exodus.
[15:16:08] <TonyHoyt> Wild.
[15:34:49] <Nadir> "Hey Dick, can we ship CDs with Exult and BG/SI's data files ? We'll only charge $100..."
[15:35:38] <Colourless> heh
[15:49:09] <Colourless> the strangest thing just happened for me. I was teleporting around moonshade when I accidently steped onto the teleporter to the mountains of freedom.
[15:49:39] <Colourless> anyway I f3'd to the sleeping bull, then f3'd back to moonshade and the sequence for when you are on hawks ship started to play
[15:50:06] <wjp> :-)
[15:50:22] <wjp> that's what happens to cheaters ;-)
[15:50:33] * TonyHoyt laughs
[15:50:35] <TonyHoyt> WIerd.
[15:50:49] <wjp> I wonder how that got triggered
[15:50:52] <Colourless> however, and this is really wierd, Filbercio's barge was being used as the ship
[15:51:07] <wjp> probably the closest barge it could find?
[15:51:11] <TonyHoyt> That's really wierd.
[15:51:15] <Colourless> i'm guessing
[15:52:14] <Colourless> it ended up getting stuck next to the bridge over the river. I wasn't even on the barge :)
[15:54:18] <TonyHoyt> Wierd.
[15:54:42] <Colourless> i ended up moving to who knows where on my own though
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[16:20:48] <sethion> ?hoi, exultbot!
[16:21:05] * exultbot doesn't speak dutch ;-)
[16:21:06] <TonyHoyt> Hello.
[16:21:15] <Colourless> hehe
[16:21:18] <sethion> ?:p hoi wjp
[16:21:19] <TonyHoyt> Exult bot needs a help menu or something.
[16:21:22] <sethion> hello all
[16:21:26] <sethion> ?help
[16:21:26] <wjp> try "?help"
[16:21:27] <Colourless> hi
[16:21:30] <TonyHoyt> Doh.
[16:21:32] <TonyHoyt> ?help
[16:21:38] <TonyHoyt> Double doh.
[16:21:43] <TonyHoyt> ?log
[16:21:43] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[16:22:02] <sethion> but exultbot can do alot more then those commands....like a good óle trout-slapping-contest :)
[16:22:19] <TonyHoyt> I forgot what the help command was :-/
[16:22:29] <Colourless> you could have guessed ;-)
[16:25:22] <TonyHoyt> :-/
[16:27:00] <sethion> hmm
[16:27:28] <sethion> does anyone remember the Throne of Many Changes on the Isle of the Avatar?
[16:28:17] <sethion> because, it used to teleport you away to annother location when you sat on it (O), but now (Exult) it does nothing..
[16:28:26] <sethion> shall I write down a bugreport?
[16:30:01] <sethion> ..anyone?
[16:30:18] <TonyHoyt> I guess.
[16:33:15] <sethion> Can any of you duplicate this, btw?
[16:34:44] <TonyHoyt> I don't have exult on my work system :-/
[16:35:20] <Colourless> i'll check
[16:40:04] <Colourless> it worked, just didn't happen instantly
[16:41:53] <sethion> I sat down for 4 minutes...that should have done the trick
[16:42:12] <sethion> how long is "not instantly" ?
[16:42:34] <Colourless> 3 or 4 seconds
[16:43:04] <Nadir> bye guys
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[16:43:12] <Colourless> cya
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[17:02:32] <Fingolfin> hi
[17:02:49] <Colourless> wb
[17:03:33] <Fingolfin> thx
[17:09:13] <wjp> throne of change doesn't seem to work for me either
[17:15:45] <wjp> hmm, I get a "local #3 out of range" error there
[17:23:00] <Fingolfin> I wish I was able to *compile* exult... I got this wonderful memory debugger, which seems to be even nicer than efence *and* had a graphical app as side kick that shows me mem leaks etc
[17:23:09] <Fingolfin> but wihtout a binary to debug...
[17:23:25] <wjp> why can't you compile it?
[17:25:20] <Fingolfin> libtool problem; but I am right now downgrading to an older version of libtool, i hope that helps
[17:25:58] <Fingolfin> (I had installed libtool-HEAD-cvs, working on Darwin fixes; there are some thing really broken in libtool, and Darwin makes those bugs surface - <sigj>)
[17:28:15] <wjp> oh, right... that libtool problem
[17:28:43] <wjp> I was wondering... is there any way to get automake to generate a 'flat' Makefile? (ie. non-recursive)
[17:29:05] <wjp> it would be somewhat faster, I guess, and would avoid the extra libraries
[17:30:13] <Fingolfin> I think, no, at least not wth 1.4 ; maybe in 1.5, but I think not there either
[17:31:10] <wjp> I guess it would be hard to do for the general case
[17:31:43] <wjp> shouldn't be too hard to generate a flat Makefile from exult's Makefile.am files, though
[17:31:54] <wjp> (since we hardly use any 'special' features)
[17:33:29] <Colourless> could use just use one automake.am file similar to how the other makefiles are?
[17:33:41] <Colourless> that should be "could you just use..."
[17:33:46] <wjp> yeah, sure
[17:34:20] <Colourless> wouldn't it then produce a flat makefile?
[17:34:32] <wjp> it would mostly be merging all files together, getting rid of some duplicate stuff (include dirs), and adding directory names in front of lots of files
[17:34:35] <wjp> yes, it would :-)
[17:36:20] <Fingolfin> only never forget that automake can't cope with subdirs directly
[17:37:06] <Fingolfin> i.e libtest_la_SOURCES = subdir/test.c will generate an error
[17:37:45] <Colourless> well then, i guess the idea is fairly useless :)
[17:37:50] <Fingolfin> anyway, downgrading to 1.4.1 helped me
[17:38:02] <Fingolfin> (libtool)
[17:44:03] <wjp> hmm... I should write a special mode for reading disassembled usecode in emacs :-)
[17:44:23] <wjp> manually searching for functions is annoying :-)
[17:45:02] <wjp> only problem is that it would involve lots of lisp... *shudder*
[17:46:01] <wjp> hmm, maybe just a keypress to jump to a function would be enough
[17:59:03] <TonyHoyt> Hey guys, is there a good doc or readme on the basics on ./configure files? And theres a tool called autoconf right? And automake? Perhaps something on the advantages of using them?
[18:01:06] <TonyHoyt> And Fing, what's this debugger you have?
[18:02:20] <Fingolfin> tool
[18:02:29] <Fingolfin> TonyHoyt: autoconf/automake is a pretty complex topic, but
[18:02:47] <Fingolfin> there is this book on it
[18:02:52] <Fingolfin> which is also available online
[18:02:54] <Fingolfin> I recommend it
[18:02:56] <TonyHoyt> o`Rielly?
[18:03:03] <TonyHoyt> Ooh cool. What's the url?
[18:03:15] <Fingolfin> http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
[18:03:28] <Fingolfin> I got a hard copy, it is worth every buck
[18:03:33] <TonyHoyt> well I'm trying to figure out how to use ./configure files or better yet, automake and autoconf for a semi-cross platform project.
[18:05:15] <TonyHoyt> Kick ass. a downloadable version too. neat. I'll look for it in my local book store. Thanks.
[18:54:52] * wjp finishes "usecode-jump-to-function" emacs lisp function
[18:56:17] <TonyHoyt> Cool.
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[19:35:09] <TonyHoyt> night guys
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[19:54:46] <sethion> hello
[19:55:22] <Colourless> hi
[19:56:03] <wjp> hi
[19:59:37] <sethion> I saw an automaton in Fawn, but when I reload the savegame, he's gone
[20:00:24] <sethion> in = near, if that matters
[20:21:03] <wjp> time for me to go
[20:21:05] <wjp> bye
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[20:21:10] <Colourless> cya
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[20:25:03] <sethion> time to get some Rest
[20:25:08] <sethion> ?bye, bot
[20:25:12] <sethion> ?bye
[20:25:12] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[20:25:20] <Colourless> bye
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