#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 1 Aug 2001 (GMT)

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[00:20:24] <wjp> brb, rebooting gateway (again...)
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[00:37:38] <Fingolfin> wb
[00:37:46] <wjp> thanks
[00:38:04] <wjp> well, my router is now (finally) running an iptables firewall instead of ipchains
[00:38:16] <wjp> (and a brand-new 2.4.7 kernel while I was at it)
[00:38:55] <Fingolfin> he
[00:46:46] <wjp> hmm... now this is strange
[00:47:16] <wjp> after I close a POP3 session with, I get a FIN from
[00:47:47] <Fingolfin> hmm
[00:47:48] <Fingolfin> ;)
[00:48:18] <wjp> sounds like those servers are in some kind of conspiracy....
[00:51:49] <Fingolfin> spoofing?
[00:51:58] <wjp> not sure what's happening
[00:52:15] <wjp> hmm... even weirder: it doesn't happen if I do a manual telnet POP3 session
[00:53:58] <wjp> all these FINs are kind of annoying
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[09:37:40] <Nadir> hi
[09:39:57] <matt0> hey, my Italian friend!
[09:43:37] <Nadir> hi matt0
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[10:06:19] <Nadir> wb
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[10:32:29] <Nadir> wb
[10:32:36] <Nadir> you're doing the "Colourless trick"
[10:36:30] <matt0> I just upgraded to X 4.1.0
[10:36:46] <matt0> it seems to have gone smoothly *phew*
[10:37:23] <matt0> looks like they (debian unstable) have a new build of exult too.. I'm snagging that as well hehe
[10:46:40] <Nadir> don't you build exult yourself ?
[10:50:18] <matt0> Nadir: no, I am ashamed to say thatI don't follow the project close enough to make my own builds
[10:50:28] <matt0> closely enough
[11:14:42] <Nadir> how recent is that debian build of exult ?
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[11:28:13] <Nadir> hi kirb
[11:28:20] <Nadir> hi kirbem
[11:28:28] <Nadir> hi kirben (got it right now !)
[11:28:41] <Kirben> Hi
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[11:29:46] <wjp> hi
[11:40:29] <Nadir> hi
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[12:02:14] <Nadir> I suggest we remove the "Play first scene" option from Exult. It is useless...
[12:03:08] <wjp> yeah, the intro sequence isn't _that_ long
[12:05:19] <Nadir> looking at the credits, I think Dominik should be moved to the Exult Team members
[12:05:47] <wjp> yes
[12:15:25] <wjp> strange... did you see the 'rings + 2 handed weapon" bug Dominik submitted?
[12:17:04] <Nadir> nope
[12:17:24] <wjp> take a look at shape 120 from paperdol.vga
[12:17:26] <wjp> (frame 4)
[12:17:40] <wjp> (with the gimp plugin)
[12:20:51] <Nadir> I'm in win2k atm
[12:20:58] <wjp> oh, ok
[12:21:11] <Nadir> can't I use the shape browser in Exult ?
[12:21:17] <wjp> there's a bar of color 247 on the right side of the frame
[12:21:26] <wjp> shape browser doesn't display it somehow
[12:22:05] <Nadir> It does. It's just very dark
[12:22:23] * wjp takes a closer look
[12:22:31] <wjp> hmm, indeed
[12:23:03] <wjp> anyway, that causes a nice purple cycling effect on the paperdoll
[12:23:43] <Nadir> not only did Origin provide us with broken usecode. shapes are broken too now ! :)
[12:23:54] <Nadir> These suppliers. You just can't trust them !
[12:24:08] <wjp> :-)
[12:24:19] <wjp> didn't Ryan add a method to patch vga files recently?
[12:24:32] <Nadir> yep. First use for it :)
[12:26:48] * wjp tries to think of a reason for that bar to be there
[12:27:42] <wjp> oh, btw, there's 3 pixels of colour 254 there too (at the top, middle and bottom of the bar)
[12:28:15] <Nadir> Saw those too in the shape browser.
[12:28:29] * Nadir thinks someone just copy/pasted a shape from somewhere else
[12:29:38] <wjp> it didn't show up in the original, IIRC
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[12:47:01] <Nadir> sure ? how couldn't it ?
[12:47:04] * fingolfin is desperate
[12:47:06] <Nadir> hi fingolfin
[12:47:08] <wjp> hi
[12:47:14] <Nadir> fingolfin: why ?
[12:47:17] <fingolfin> the counters just keep resetting o the web page!
[12:47:31] <Nadir> And how is that cause of desperation ?
[12:47:43] <fingolfin> I just reverted them to normal again, like I did yesterday night, and two times before - at first I thought it was me overlooking something, but it happens over and voer again
[12:47:45] <fingolfin> argh
[12:47:52] <fingolfin> count: 295 visits
[12:48:15] <fingolfin> real value: 120096
[12:48:30] <fingolfin> I want this to work!
[12:48:54] <fingolfin> and I don´t see what is going wrong; OK, the counter does use a text file for storage, but it alsos uses locking when modifyint the file...
[12:54:06] <Nadir> wjp: we do hire some incompetent maintainers for the website :)
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[12:55:11] <Colourless> hi all
[12:55:36] <wjp> fingolfin: locks on files are released on fclose, apparently
[12:56:06] <wjp> which would mean the file isn't locked for the write operation
[12:56:33] <fingolfin> ?!?
[12:56:34] <Nadir> hi colourless
[12:56:39] <fingolfin> hi Colourless
[12:57:29] <fingolfin> wjp: but
[12:57:40] <fingolfin> wjp: i do fopen, then read the file, the modify, then write, then fclose
[12:57:51] <fingolfin> wjp: and of course, flock(2) and then flock(3) just before the close
[12:58:06] <wjp> from the script, this happens:
[12:58:10] <wjp> fopen + flock
[12:58:11] <wjp> read
[12:58:13] <wjp> fclose
[12:58:14] <wjp> fopen
[12:58:15] <wjp> write
[12:58:18] <fingolfin> hm, there is a problem according to the PHP docks, flock won´t help you always if you have a threaded web server
[12:58:19] <wjp> fclose
[12:58:25] <fingolfin> wjp: qipcounter.php3 ?
[12:58:28] <wjp> yeah
[12:58:32] <wjp> that's not what you use?
[12:58:36] <fingolfin> wjp: do you see the comments?
[12:58:43] <fingolfin> wjp: infront of fclose/fopen
[12:58:46] <wjp> yes, but I don't believe then :-)
[12:58:52] <wjp> s/then/them/
[12:59:14] <fingolfin> <g>
[12:59:22] <wjp> according to one of them comments on php.net for flock, the lock is released on fclose
[12:59:26] <wjp> s/them/the/
[12:59:34] <Nadir> apache < 2.0 is not threaded
[12:59:39] <fingolfin> well, ok
[12:59:48] <fingolfin> but I only call close after writing everything
[13:00:01] <wjp> no, you close immediately after reading too
[13:00:08] <fingolfin> this is commented out
[13:00:15] <fingolfin> in function set
[13:00:20] <wjp> not in inc
[13:00:39] <fingolfin> hmmmm!!!!!
[13:00:41] <fingolfin> ahhhhhhh
[13:00:45] <fingolfin> sure! I forgot that! sigh
[13:00:56] <wjp> can you just reopen a file for writing when it's still open for reading?
[13:01:05] <fingolfin> well
[13:01:12] <fingolfin> I just open it for read write at the top
[13:01:15] <fingolfin> like in set
[13:01:21] <fingolfin> I dunno why the original code was that strange
[13:01:22] <fingolfin> ;)
[13:01:25] <wjp> again, not in inc()
[13:01:48] <fingolfin> sure not in inc()
[13:01:59] <wjp> ah well... let's hope this fixes it :-)
[13:01:59] <fingolfin> I meant: "I can just open it as rw instead of this strange method"
[13:02:05] <fingolfin> fixed
[13:02:18] <wjp> let's DDoS the page to see if it works ;-)
[13:03:11] <fingolfin> ok, everbody reload the "about.php" page now a couple of times ;)
[13:03:44] <wjp> hmm.. that IP-address detection is annoying :-)
[13:04:07] <fingolfin> ;)
[13:04:37] * Colourless tries but thinks his modem will let him down ;-)
[13:04:52] <fingolfin> btw, what happend to dancer?
[13:05:31] * Colourless thinks my description needs updating :)
[13:05:47] <Colourless> I 'was' doing those things about a year ago.
[13:06:23] <wjp> that's true for most of the descriptions there :-)
[13:07:07] <Colourless> perhaps we should list some of the things that we have done (which really means just changing things from present tense to past tense) :-)
[13:07:58] <fingolfin> heheh
[13:08:13] <fingolfin> wjp: the IP-address code suffers from the same problem, i think...
[13:16:03] * wjp is experimenting with his routing a bit...
[13:16:12] <wjp> ...so I might time-out a few times
[13:18:06] <Nadir> http://www.advogato.com/person/dancer/
[13:19:07] <wjp> umm
[13:19:21] <fingolfin> I broke the web page
[13:19:24] <wjp> that's pretty weird
[13:24:46] <Colourless> we need a screenshot of the status bars!
[13:24:51] <fingolfin> fixed now I hope...
[13:25:02] <wjp> seems to work again
[13:25:04] <fingolfin> we need a screenshot of exultstudio!
[13:25:22] <fingolfin> wjp: the problem was that a flock was not released, had to wait for it to timeout
[13:31:21] <Nadir> fingolfin: I need a working xwd that can grab DirectColor visuals...
[13:32:40] <Nadir> all screenshots on the web pages should be redone.
[13:34:54] <fingolfin> yeag
[13:34:55] <fingolfin> true
[13:35:09] <fingolfin> I can do new screenshots easily, except for exult studio
[13:35:18] <fingolfin> and we also want shots of I in there..
[13:35:32] <Nadir> I'll go and do one now. bbl
[13:35:35] <Colourless> can someone do a screenshots of the stats as soon as possible.
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[13:35:52] <fingolfin> exult menu; bg/si menu; some BG/SI shots, showing dolls in BG etc.; maybe a shot of one of the cinematics; new features like the stats displays
[13:36:16] <fingolfin> I go swimming now, when i com back in a couple of hours, i can do screen shots
[13:36:25] <fingolfin> of course if somebody else wants to do it first, feel free to do so
[13:36:27] <Colourless> ok
[13:36:46] <Colourless> we should probably get shots from different operating systems as well
[13:37:27] <fingolfin> hm yeah
[13:37:27] <fingolfin> at least one unix, win, macos; maybe also BeOS? wjp?
[13:37:55] <wjp> BeOS? what's that? :-)
[13:38:18] <Colourless> an unsupported release :)
[13:38:28] <fingolfin> ;)
[13:38:40] <fingolfin> ok, I am outa here now
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[13:40:58] <wjp> by screenshots you mean including the window border?
[13:41:11] <Nadir> no
[13:41:18] <wjp> why not just use ctrl-alt-s then?
[13:41:20] <Colourless> yes
[13:41:24] <wjp> hehe :-)
[13:43:12] <wjp> yes or no? :-)
[13:43:27] <Colourless> screenshots to include the window border
[13:43:45] <Colourless> also need scaler pics which ctrl-alt-s can't do
[13:44:17] <wjp> not anymore :/
[13:44:37] <wjp> why did you change that, btw?
[13:47:02] <wjp> IIRC, it was something with one of the scalers
[13:47:12] <Nadir> what format for Exult Studio screenshot ?
[13:47:15] <Nadir> gif ?
[13:47:23] <Colourless> png
[13:48:03] <Colourless> don't you know, gif is evil
[13:48:46] <Nadir> all other sshots there are gif
[13:49:08] <Colourless> and they shouldn't be
[13:49:13] <wjp> they are?!
[13:49:17] <Colourless> just look at the dithering in some of the shots
[13:49:27] <Colourless> ewwww
[13:50:03] <Nadir> Don't know what Jeff used for the conversion to 256 colours...
[13:51:10] <Nadir> http://exult.sourceforge.net/images/exult_studio.png
[13:52:20] <wjp> wow, exult studio can do all that?
[13:52:24] <Nadir> yes
[13:52:27] * wjp is impressed
[13:52:45] <Nadir> Jeff has been working quite a bit
[13:53:22] * wjp builds exultstudio
[13:53:31] * Nadir guesses that Ryan is still downloading the image via his lowly modem
[13:54:22] <Colourless> Nadir: I just have commented on it yet :)
[13:54:35] <wjp> hmm, what desktop theme is that?
[13:54:40] <wjp> It looks a _lot_ like BeOS
[13:54:50] <Nadir> wjp: on my box it tries to use getaddrinfo(), but I think it's using it in the wrong way. In fact it doesn't work. I just edited config.h by hand
[13:54:58] <Nadir> BeOS on sawfish
[13:55:30] <wjp> compile-time or run-time error?
[13:56:13] <Colourless> wjp: I was thinking the same. It looks exactly like BeOS
[13:56:16] <Nadir> no error. The communication between the two doesn't work
[13:56:24] <Nadir> GTK+ theme is "Xeno Thin"
[13:56:45] <Colourless> you probably SHOULDN'T use that theme for the pic because it may make people think the Exult Studio runs in BeOS
[13:57:19] <wjp> heh, good point :-)
[13:57:48] * Nadir changes theme to something else.
[14:00:26] <Colourless> I think it might be an idea to link to pages with the screenshots in them, rather than just link directly to the screenshots.
[14:01:03] <Nadir> try now
[14:01:58] <Nadir> Sawfish with the SawBox theme
[14:02:45] * Nadir thinks we should switch to SDL_net for communication between Exult and Studio
[14:03:20] * Colourless agrees
[14:03:43] <Colourless> i don't have any problems with the new pic
[14:03:55] <Colourless> except for I can't run Exult Studio ;-)
[14:04:26] <Nadir> Kirben managed to compile some of it
[14:04:51] <Colourless> yeah. all of it except for the communications part
[14:05:19] <Colourless> which means, it can't exactly do anything
[14:05:30] <Nadir> Using SDL_net should fix that on all platforms
[14:05:48] <Colourless> then there is drag an drop :)
[14:06:46] <Colourless> getting it to work in windows in anysort of 'clean' fashion isn't going to be likely.
[14:07:16] <Nadir> That should be factored out somehow...
[14:08:05] <Colourless> yeah, we could make it so you just select a shape to place by clicking on it in Exult Studio, and then click in the Exult window to place it
[14:08:39] <Colourless> pretty simple, and wouldn't require holding the mouse button down. We could also keep the DnD support in as well if we wanted
[14:08:55] <Nadir> DnD is cool, so it should stay
[14:09:48] <Nadir> At the moment Exult uses a file socket for communicating, but I guess that is doable only with U*ix. If we switch to SDL_net we need a port number. What shall we use ?
[14:10:20] <wjp> pity there's no direct 1337-speech translation of 'exult'
[14:10:21] <Nadir> >1024 obviously
[14:10:24] <Colourless> so many to choose from
[14:11:57] <Nadir> wjp: :)
[14:13:29] <wjp> how about our SF project number?
[14:13:35] <Nadir> good idea !
[14:13:41] <wjp> 2334, IIRC
[14:13:48] <Colourless> sounds good to me
[14:14:02] <Colourless> 2335!
[14:14:06] <Nadir> who's going to port it then...
[14:15:01] <Colourless> *everyone remains slient*
[14:15:02] <wjp> 2335, right
[14:18:16] * Nadir installs SDL_net
[14:19:32] <Nadir> Colourless: if we support a non-DnD mode, it should be possible to run Exult on one box and Studio on another
[14:20:04] <Colourless> hehe, true
[14:20:07] <wjp> yeah
[14:20:46] <Colourless> it would kind of be, "We did it, because we could"
[14:21:07] <Nadir> They can even be running different OSs
[14:22:17] <Nadir> I can even edit Colourless' Exult world in Australia from Italy.
[14:22:27] <Nadir> The possibilites are endless :)
[14:22:54] <Colourless> well, it would be kind of hard to do
[14:23:18] <wjp> being able to see what's happening would be nice :-)
[14:23:32] <Nadir> Colourless' modem wouldn't help either :)
[14:23:33] <Colourless> one of use would select an object, the other would have to place it :)
[14:23:49] <Colourless> not exactly the most efficent way to work :)
[14:24:35] <Nadir> Just to make you lot envious: I downloaded the latest build of OpenOffice yesterday. 65MB in 28 seconds
[14:25:00] <Colourless> heh
[14:25:10] <Colourless> that would take me 5 hours
[14:25:40] <wjp> argh... we don't even get that over our univ. network
[14:26:04] <Nadir> >2MB/s
[14:26:35] <wjp> ah well, but we'll get a >100Mbit link in a month
[14:29:38] <Nadir> so, who's going to redo all the screenshots ?
[14:30:02] <Nadir> Should they all be 320x200 ?
[14:30:33] <Nadir> Should they all be .png ?
[14:31:34] <Colourless> well, what do we want screenshots of?
[14:32:21] <Colourless> IMO, 320x200 shots should be scaled to 640x400 because 320x200 is kind of tiny
[14:32:51] <Nadir> The ones that are already there (maybe with better dithering :) plus a few extra ones: Ryan's stats display, cheat screen, intro
[14:33:31] <Nadir> Colourless: of course
[14:33:40] <wjp> hmm, where did the description + screenshot on the homepage go?
[14:34:13] <Colourless> i've already got this shot from a few days ago: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/port.png
[14:34:31] <Nadir> fingolfin killed it
[14:34:44] <Colourless> it's an example of Exult in Windows and the Stats
[14:34:47] <wjp> Colourless: that one has rendering problems with the doors... better not use it ;-)
[14:35:02] <Colourless> but that's not a bug :)
[14:35:35] * Colourless makes a new one
[14:36:23] <Nadir> I don't think we really want the WM decorations
[14:41:51] <Nadir> I think the screenshots should always show something Exult-specific. Stuff like love.gif, stage.gif and si.gif should be replaced with something else
[14:42:41] <Nadir> oh, we need Video Options, Audio Options, Shape Browser, In-game menu
[14:46:43] <Nadir> Fingolfin could do an automatic screenshot page builder similar to the download page.
[14:57:18] <Colourless> new one: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/stats2.png
[14:58:13] <Nadir> that took you a while :)
[14:58:39] <Colourless> yeah, i was trying to get a good one while someone was being hit
[14:58:41] <Colourless> not easy :)
[14:58:59] <Nadir> infact I noticed that. It looks good
[14:59:17] <wjp> yeah, it does
[14:59:26] <Nadir> Should we crop the decorations then ?
[15:00:58] <Nadir> don't speak all at once
[15:01:38] * Nadir is feeling ignored
[15:02:17] <Colourless> i don't even know what you are talking about :)
[15:02:34] <Nadir> window decorations: borders, title bar, etc
[15:02:37] <Kefka> nah, we just are leaving it to your genius
[15:02:59] <Nadir> Kefka: thx
[15:03:16] <Kefka> and when you screw up, we will all have someone to blame ;)
[15:03:36] <Colourless> personally, I would leave them it
[15:04:12] <Colourless> s/it/in
[15:05:59] <Nadir> why ? The windows ones look especially crap :)
[15:06:54] <Kefka> well, i vote to leave them in as well (not that my vote counts)
[15:07:50] <Nadir> I don't really understand why, though
[15:08:05] <Colourless> the reason for why is to show it runs on different platforms
[15:08:26] <Colourless> doesn't really matter though
[15:08:32] <Kefka> well, why don't you take one with them, and one without them, put them on the same page, then let us compare
[15:08:48] <Nadir> not when certain systems have ugly decorations :b
[15:10:04] <Nadir> Just joking. We need an Aqua one.
[15:14:42] <Kefka> oh, something i noticed, its nothing big, but under the development section of the website
[15:14:52] <Kefka> Travis Howell is making daily Windows snapshots available at this location.
[15:15:09] <Kefka> "this" links to a defunct page
[15:23:30] <Nadir> It will be fixed as soon as Fingolfin stops swimming
[15:35:17] <Nadir> bye
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[16:51:13] <Colourless> grrr. psp can be annoying. Why doesn' it use the pallete colour that you actually choose. why does it have to use the first instance of the colour. *sigh* The Pallete in the photoshop plugin should be changed to have all unique colours in it
[16:51:45] <wjp> PSP does that too?
[16:51:50] <Colourless> yeah
[16:51:58] <wjp> so does gimp
[16:52:48] <wjp> I already have a uniqified palette around here somewhere
[16:53:16] <wjp> in fact, I may have committed the tool I used to create it to CVS
[16:53:17] <Colourless> it was annoying me no end last night. I was trying to find out the effects of the transpartent colours in the U7 palette (final 8 cols)
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[16:54:00] <Colourless> also, the message box it brings up about multiple frames in a shape is even more annoying.
[16:54:27] <wjp> well.. if I remove it, people may get confused
[16:54:36] <wjp> feel free to recompile with the box disabled :-)
[16:54:45] * Colourless thinks he'll just compile a new version himself
[16:57:49] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/uniquepal
[16:57:59] <wjp> (but the last entry is broken somehow)
[16:58:29] <Colourless> no kidding :)
[16:58:36] <Colourless> 0x3E8?????
[16:58:46] <wjp> yeah... kind of strange
[16:59:20] <wjp> I changed it to 0xFF, 0xFF, 0x00 I think
[16:59:31] <wjp> no, 0xFC, probably
[17:01:25] <Colourless> ok
[17:06:40] <Colourless> fc, fc, 00 is not unique
[17:07:12] <wjp> fc, fc, 04 then? :-)
[17:07:27] <Colourless> i used fc, fc, 01
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[17:08:47] <wjp|dinner> bbl
[17:09:25] <Colourless> I think i'll change it (mine) to include the colours of the trans colours (248=yel, 249=blue, 250=gre, 251=red, 252=white, 253=dark grey, 254=light grey)
[17:13:53] <Colourless> ah, much better :)
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[17:45:59] * wjp checks the gimp plugin
[17:46:09] <wjp> hmm, I did unique-ify the palette there
[18:27:52] <wjp> rebooting, brb
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[18:28:01] <Colourless> c\k
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[18:46:26] <Fingolfin> hiya
[18:46:38] <Colourless> hi
[18:50:10] <Fingolfin> did you guys decide anything regarding screen shots?
[18:50:13] * Fingolfin scrolls up
[18:52:30] <Fingolfin> ok, fixed the outdated snapshots link on the dev.php page ;)
[18:53:39] <Colourless> :)
[18:54:44] <Fingolfin> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/stats2.png - shall I take that for the homepage?
[18:55:20] <Colourless> you can if you want
[18:55:23] <Colourless> i made it to be used
[18:57:06] <Fingolfin> ok
[18:57:38] <Fingolfin> it seems I overlooked that there were new screenshots on the screenshots page before I redid it in PHP ;)
[18:57:42] <Fingolfin> ok, I can re-add those
[18:58:06] <Fingolfin> I will first make a system to easily add screenshtos, then we can keep adding them
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[19:36:11] <Fingolfin> didn´t wjp say "brb" ?
[19:36:37] <Colourless> :) yeah
[19:39:50] <matt0> ich bin nicht um 10 Uhr aufgestanden
[19:40:07] <Fingolfin> matt0: nein? warum denn nicht?
[19:40:31] <Fingolfin> matt0: hier ist es gleich 10 Uhr
[19:40:32] <matt0> Fingolfin: weil war ich zu muede
[19:40:36] <Fingolfin> matt0: 10 ujr abends ;)
[19:40:54] <matt0> hier ist es 13:40
[19:40:55] <Fingolfin> matt0: du warst zu müde? ha ha, hast gestern zu lange in die nacht reingefeirt, was? ;)
[19:41:06] <matt0> Fingolfin: lol.. hehe
[19:41:36] <Fingolfin> ok folks, check out the "new" screenshots page ;)
[19:41:41] <matt0> yay!
[19:41:53] <Fingolfin> I made the PHP code more flexible, and the images now "flow"...
[19:41:57] <Fingolfin> but I think about changing that again
[19:42:15] <Fingolfin> I imagine having rows of images, with a common headline/"theme"
[19:42:41] <Fingolfin> e.g. "Pictures from exultstudio" or "added features in exult" etc... what ya think of that?
[19:46:47] <matt0> I think that sounds like a decent idea.. to separate the original game stuff from the new stuff
[19:47:12] <matt0> that guard looks a little "hand drawn" compared to the rest of the pictures of the SI characters... hehe
[19:50:00] <Fingolfin> hu?
[19:50:04] <Fingolfin> where what which?
[19:50:17] <Colourless> i ask the same question
[19:50:24] <matt0> in the screenshot of all the SI people's faces.. the guard from Monitor at the bottom, 4th from the left
[19:51:05] <Fingolfin> oh yeah ;)
[19:51:15] <Fingolfin> but the golems look even more hand drawn ;)
[19:51:23] <Colourless> they are not golems!
[19:51:27] <matt0> goblins?
[19:51:29] <Fingolfin> err
[19:51:44] <Colourless> you mean automaton's?
[19:51:48] <Fingolfin> yeah
[19:51:49] <Fingolfin> ;)
[19:51:53] <matt0> oh.. the automatons!
[19:51:54] <Fingolfin> forgive me ;)
[19:52:04] <Colourless> sorry, I can't :)
[19:52:12] <matt0> well aren't golems basically the same thing? *grins*
[19:52:17] <Fingolfin> Colourless: yeah you are right not to forgive me :(
[19:52:20] <Colourless> what about Petra?
[19:52:24] * Fingolfin creeps into a corner and hides in shame
[19:52:28] <Fingolfin> petra is surely real ;)
[19:52:35] <Colourless> hehe
[19:53:11] <Colourless> so, can you find (ex) origin employees in the faces?
[19:53:27] <matt0> no I cannot
[19:53:49] <Colourless> :)
[19:54:07] <Colourless> well, Shamino 'should' be Richard Garriot
[19:54:29] <Colourless> Bottom left hand corner (Spektor) is Warren Spector
[19:54:32] <Colourless> that's all I know :)
[19:55:05] <matt0> cool :)
[20:02:19] <Fingolfin> there are those 10 ppl who won as a prize that their pictures are used for the faces...
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[20:54:02] <Fingolfin> chimera|wookin: ok, now tell me what you did to wjp!
[20:58:01] <chimera|wookin> ich habe ihn getoetet.
[21:00:19] <Fingolfin> chimera|wookin: what???
[21:00:38] <Fingolfin> matt0: hast du ihm das beigebracht?
[21:01:54] <Colourless> i'm gonig now
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[21:04:46] <chimera|wookin> Fingolfin: ich bin matt0
[21:05:05] <Fingolfin> matt0: now he pretends to be you! can you believe it?
[21:05:08] * chimera|wookin schlaegt Fingolfin mit einer grossen Forelle
[21:05:19] <chimera|wookin> You like that, buddy???
[21:05:33] * Fingolfin schläft chimera|wookin mit einem riesigen Karpfen
[21:05:55] <Fingolfin> wie gefällt dir *das*, Freundchen? ;)
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[21:10:31] <chimera|wookin> du kannst nicht mir wie das sprechen!
[21:13:09] <Fingolfin> du kannst mit auch nicht so sprechen!
[21:13:10] <Fingolfin> ha!
[21:13:15] <Fingolfin> err
[21:13:19] <Fingolfin> s/mit/mit mir/
[21:13:27] * Fingolfin sollte erst mal richtig deutsch lernen ;)
[21:14:24] <chimera|wookin> hehe
[21:14:36] <chimera|wookin> in fact, I think you'll find that I can and DO!
[21:15:00] * chimera|wookin has exceeded his German abilities and is falling back on English for his more flowery insults
[21:15:01] <chimera|wookin> hehehe
[21:18:10] <Fingolfin> <g>
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[21:31:14] <Fingolfin> belerofon... like the son of poseidon? and/or grandson of sisifos?
[21:31:14] <Fingolfin> ;)
[21:32:18] <belerofon> I have no idea... :)
[21:32:31] <belerofon> It was the name of a virus in the mission impossible movie
[21:36:13] <Fingolfin> lol
[21:36:17] <Fingolfin> it is from greek history ;)
[21:36:29] <Fingolfin> a startship on Star Trek was named after him, too
[21:36:55] <Fingolfin> he caught the pegasus, the flying horse
[21:37:20] <Fingolfin> then killed the *chimaera* !
[21:37:22] <Fingolfin> lol
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[21:45:28] <wjp> Fingolfin?
[21:46:45] <Fingolfin> wjp?
[21:47:09] <Fingolfin> I just found it interesting that in the greek saga´s, belerofon killed the chimera...
[21:47:26] <wjp> interested in a 19-57 rare cedar bow? (mana stealing too)
[21:47:48] * wjp just killed Baal
[21:48:04] <wjp> I got _4_ amazon items...
[21:48:12] <wjp> and 1 paladin shiel
[21:48:13] <wjp> d
[21:48:45] <Fingolfin> 19-57? hm
[21:48:53] <Fingolfin> 4 amazon items? ;) which? ;)
[21:49:09] <wjp> also +80 or so AR, btw
[21:49:10] <Fingolfin> my bow does I think a bit more, up to 100 dam, but then no mana steal... hrm
[21:49:10] <wjp> vidala's barb
[21:49:16] <Fingolfin> ah vidalas
[21:49:19] <Fingolfin> set item
[21:49:28] <wjp> only 4% mana steal
[21:49:39] <Fingolfin> yeah
[21:49:59] <wjp> also a 'stag bow', whatever that may be
[21:50:09] <Fingolfin> I´d be happy about any kind of mana steal; it would pay of a lot to me; and I constantly run out of mana; I really need a ring/amu of the bat/vampire
[21:50:36] <wjp> stag bow = horrible, but it does have +2 to bow skills
[21:51:03] <wjp> and a maiden spear with +1 spear skills
[21:51:29] <wjp> why couldn't he drop 4 assassin items... grmbl
[21:54:06] <Fingolfin> heheh
[21:54:12] <Fingolfin> because you might be able to use them
[21:54:24] <Fingolfin> +2 bow skills -> mine has +1 amazon skills, I like that more ;)
[21:54:48] <Fingolfin> stag bows/maiden spears are not that rare in normal versions at least; still thanks for offering me! ;)
[21:55:06] <Fingolfin> you want to play a bit D2? ;) I assume you are already clvl 50+? :=
[21:55:37] <wjp> 44 or maybe just 45
[21:56:07] <wjp> I have to get up early tomorrow :/
[21:57:28] <Fingolfin> ok ;)
[21:57:45] <Fingolfin> I am tired anyway, have been coding all moring, then swimming, then back to coding
[21:57:50] <wjp> :-)
[21:58:09] <wjp> I've been ... uh... umm.... doing something, I'm sure ;-)
[21:58:11] <Fingolfin> hm, I hopefully get a dev version of MacOS X 10.1 tomorrow.
[21:58:15] <Fingolfin> hehehe
[21:58:33] <wjp> oh, right, I did some Class Based Queueing
[21:58:43] <Fingolfin> ?
[21:59:14] <wjp> I split our 8Kb/s upstream equally between my PC and my family's PC
[22:00:11] <wjp> took me a couple of hours to figure out... some Linux things are really horribly documented
[22:00:36] <wjp> I could sell the bow right?
[22:01:14] <Fingolfin> aye
[22:01:55] <Fingolfin> gotta go to bed now... sleepy
[22:02:00] <wjp> goodnight
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[22:02:08] <wjp> bye
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