#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 1 Dec 2001 (GMT)

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[06:36:29] * Darke greetingsbows.
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[12:34:46] * SB-X realizes exultbot wasn't even here when he came in.
[12:35:34] <SB-X> hi exultbot
[12:35:42] <Darke> SB-X: Nope. He dropped just after I arrived. <grin>
[12:35:43] <SB-X> exultbot hello
[12:35:50] <SB-X> :P
[12:35:57] <SB-X> ?exultbot hi
[12:36:02] <wjp> exultbot: hi
[12:36:02] <exultbot> Hi wjp!
[12:36:03] <SB-X> bah
[12:36:08] <SB-X> there you go
[12:36:09] <SB-X> hehe
[12:36:19] <Colourless> exultbot: hi
[12:36:19] <exultbot> Hi Colourless!
[12:36:23] <Colourless> :-)
[12:36:54] * Darke thinks you're all _far_ too easily amused. <grin>
[12:36:57] <Colourless> now, I know there are things that wjp can do to get exultbot to say anything he wants
[12:37:12] * Wumpus thinks someone needs to take over maintaining gimp for debian :)
[12:37:51] <Colourless> well darke, at least we restrain ourselves from painting others :-)
[12:38:03] * Darke looks completely innocent.
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[12:39:40] * exultbot is back
[12:39:47] <SB-X> exultbot: wb
[12:39:54] <exultbot> thanks :-)
[12:40:13] <Wumpus> right, i at least got something done today
[12:40:15] <Wumpus> sleep now :)
[12:40:16] <Wumpus> g'night all
[12:40:21] <SB-X> g'night
[12:40:23] <wjp> night
[12:40:25] <Darke> Night Wumpus.
[12:40:26] <Colourless> cya
[12:40:32] <-- Wumpus has left IRC ("Rest and heal.... ;-p")
[12:40:46] <SB-X> me too
[12:40:59] <-- SB-X has left IRC (""Pleasant... dreams... ;-p"")
[12:41:31] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[12:42:12] * Fingolfin gotta go, cya later
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[12:42:17] <wjp> bye
[12:42:20] <Darke> bye.
[12:43:04] <Colourless> whoa, it's the mass exodus
[12:43:19] <Darke> Colourless: Looks like it.
[12:43:46] <Darke> Anyone else fleeing from the return of exultbot? ;)
[12:46:18] <Colourless> *sigh* from the gaminggroove website about Exult beta: If the link doesn't work right away keep trying (it took me 3 tries to get to the download page).
[12:47:29] <Darke> Colourless: Yep. sf.net was up and down all day yesterday, it's been stable today thankfully. <sigh>
[12:48:34] <wjp> we're also on RPGPlanet & gamespydaily
[12:48:55] <wjp> those don't report any problems, though
[12:49:24] <Colourless> ve3d didn't report problems either
[12:49:32] <Darke> I saw it on linuxgames.com as well. No problems again.
[12:49:49] <wjp> sheesh, how many gaming sites report exult news? :-)
[12:50:29] <Colourless> well, that's 4 :-)
[12:50:46] <matto> exult news rules!
[12:50:53] <Darke> Actually ve3d one of the comments reports temporary problems.
[12:51:48] <wjp> why is exult on a 3d gaming site? :-)
[12:52:05] <Colourless> why not :-)
[12:52:17] <Colourless> it's pseudo 3d :-)
[12:52:30] <Colourless> i could also say "Don't question such things"
[12:52:41] <wjp> ve3d keeps track of our weekly updates too; nice :-)
[12:52:49] * Darke doesn't question these things.
[12:53:13] <Darke> I'm just guessing one of the writers for the site likes ultima7. <grin>
[12:53:22] <Colourless> yeah, they've been doing it for months
[12:53:49] <wjp> maybe I should try out this 'Exult' thing they're so enthusiastic about ;-)
[12:55:23] <Darke> wjp: Makes sense. I don't remember the last time I actually played exult. <grin>
[12:55:34] <Colourless> heh
[12:56:01] * Darke spends all his time looking underneath the game. <grin>
[12:56:04] <wjp> hmm, what do you think the usecode interpreter should do on a division by zero?
[12:56:14] <Colourless> i always wondered how a developer of something can make a game without really playing it... then I joined the euxlt team :-)
[12:56:22] <matto> wjp: that's easdy.. it should crash :)
[12:56:23] <Colourless> exult even :-)
[12:56:53] <Colourless> it should crash with no error message :-)
[12:57:01] <wjp> yeah, that's what it does now :-)
[12:57:21] <wjp> (well, it will probably report a "Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute)" message
[12:57:22] <wjp> )
[12:57:51] <wjp> *phew*... just finished checking all divisions/modulo operations in objs.cc/contain.cc/ucinternal.cc
[12:57:55] <Darke> wjp: Crash with a "This can't happen" error.
[12:58:01] <matto> hehehe
[12:58:06] <Colourless> well, we should disable floating point exceptions and just crash really badly :-)
[12:58:08] * matto is going to install the new nvidia drivers now
[12:58:20] <-- matto has left IRC ("Play Dragon's Lair in linux - http://www.daphne-emu.com - Developers welcome :)")
[12:58:21] <wjp> "Internal game error. Please call Origin"
[12:58:31] <Colourless> hehe
[12:58:43] <Colourless> EA would really like that... lets do it :-)
[12:59:18] <Colourless> look, another one has left!
[12:59:18] <Darke> Colourless: Bad dragon. <grin>
[12:59:41] <Colourless> it was me who has caused this exodus isn't it. no one like me :-)
[12:59:52] <Colourless> s/like/likes/
[13:00:00] <Darke> Colourless: I blame exultbot. Everything was fine until he returned.
[13:00:27] * wjp has to go too ;-)
[13:00:54] <Colourless> perhaps exultbot talking is a sign of the apocalypse
[13:01:13] <exultbot> *gasp*... how did you find out?!
[13:01:23] <Colourless> i wont let you go that easily wjp
[13:01:31] <Colourless> /kick wjp
[13:01:38] * Darke wonders where he left his armageddon spell.
[13:01:39] <wjp> /deop Colourless
[13:01:46] <Colourless> /opme
[13:01:49] <wjp> /msg chanserv access #exult remove colourless
[13:01:58] <wjp> *grin*
[13:02:00] <wjp> I win ;-)
[13:02:10] <Colourless> ha, you can't even do messages with a / at the beginning so I win :-)
[13:02:28] <wjp> ?
[13:02:58] <wjp> oh, right, no space in front of yours :-)
[13:03:05] <Colourless> /Look no space before the /
[13:03:05] <wjp> /like this?
[13:03:11] <Colourless> :-)
[13:03:17] <Colourless> much bettert
[13:03:26] <wjp> anyway, I'll brb
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[13:07:06] * Darke thinks Colourless is really, _really_ bored.
[13:07:16] <Colourless> what me?
[13:07:17] <Colourless> yes i am :-)
[13:07:36] <matto> psst.. hey buddy.. buy nvidia
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[13:08:36] <matto> hoho, you naughty boy
[13:08:38] * Colourless notes the ops can't spell either
[13:19:21] <wjp> pity I can't see the full kick messages with this xchat version :-(
[13:19:48] <Colourless> what about exultbot?
[13:20:13] <wjp> oh great... it doesn't log kicks
[13:20:54] <wjp> *sigh*
[13:20:56] * wjp fixes that
[13:36:26] <wjp> ah... the joys of perl... *cough*...
[13:36:31] <wjp> if (${$seen_dbs{lc($chan)}}{lc($kicked)} =~ /^0/) {
[13:37:49] <wjp> this totally screws up emacs' indenting too, unfortunately :-(
[13:39:05] * Colourless has no idea about perl, and hopes to keep things that way
[13:39:47] * Darke knows very little about perl and hopes to know more, whilst still remaining at his 'current' level of insanity.
[13:40:12] <matto> hehe
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[13:40:59] <wjp> Colourless: NVIDIA!
[13:41:04] * Colourless is a 'stupid' windows user
[13:41:08] * wjp waits...
[13:41:22] <Colourless> :-)
[13:41:26] <wjp> well? :-)
[13:41:30] <wjp> kick me already! ;-)
[13:41:34] <Colourless> just saying nvidia isn't enough fool :-)
[13:41:41] <wjp> oh fine :-)
[13:41:42] <-- Colourless kicked wjp from #exult (you asked for it)
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[13:42:17] <Colourless> the exact comment was:
[13:42:23] <Colourless> [23:41] <matto> psst.. hey buddy.. buy nvidia
[13:42:24] <wjp> "you asked for it"
[13:42:35] <Colourless> [0:15] <wjp> kick me already! ;-)
[13:42:36] <wjp> "<-- Colourless kicked wjp from #exult (you asked for it)"
[13:42:46] <wjp> maybe I should change the order
[13:42:59] <wjp> "<-- wjp has been kicked from #exult by Colourless (you asked for it)"?
[13:43:10] <Colourless> yeah like that
[13:43:18] <Colourless> i get the messages looking like this:
[13:43:18] <Colourless> [0:15] *** wjp was kicked by Colourless (you asked for it)
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[13:44:07] <wjp> my turn ;-)
[13:44:09] <-- Colourless was kicked from #exult by wjp (wjp)
[13:44:24] <wjp> ?seen Colourless
[13:44:24] <exultbot> colourless was kicked from #exult by wjp at Sat Dec 1 13:44:09 2001 (GMT) (wjp)
[13:44:33] <wjp> good, that works too :-)
[13:45:21] * wjp wonders why Colourless isn't auto-rejoining
[13:45:41] <matto> haha...
[13:45:51] <matto> it keeps track of whether the person was kicked :)
[13:46:18] <wjp> ?
[13:46:35] <matto> ?seen colourless
[13:46:35] <exultbot> colourless was kicked from #exult by wjp at Sat Dec 1 13:44:09 2001 (GMT) (wjp)
[13:46:45] <wjp> oh, yeah
[13:46:51] <matto> I just find it amusing that instead of keeping track of his last comment, it keeps track that he was booted hahaha
[13:47:08] <wjp> that's why it took me that long to implement exultbot logging kicks :-)
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[13:47:40] <wjp> wb :-)
[13:48:00] <Darke> For those who are particuarly bored, a James Bond Villian personality test: http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~mar/villain.html
[13:48:52] <wjp> lol
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[13:51:41] * Darke got 'Oddjob' on the villian test, anyone else sufficiently bored to try? <grin>
[13:52:10] * wjp is apparently Scaramanga :-)
[13:52:27] <matto> Colourless: how's the cricket with the NZ'ers going?
[13:52:31] <Colourless> Ernst Stavro Blofeld
[13:52:42] <Colourless> matto: last i heard poorly
[13:52:58] <matto> that would be consistent with what this NZ guy is telling me in another chan
[13:55:57] <Colourless> well, at least our boys are having a bit of a challenge for once
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[14:09:21] * Darke greetingsbows.
[14:09:40] <Satori> hi
[14:09:44] <Colourless> hi
[14:09:45] <wjp> hi
[14:21:16] <matto> Satori!!!!!!
[14:21:20] * matto fluffbows to Darke
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[14:21:29] <Colourless> wb
[14:21:29] <Fingolfin> lo
[14:21:30] <matto> Fingolfin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[14:21:40] <Fingolfin> wjp, matto: how much did you pay for PoC ?
[14:21:42] <Darke> Hello again.
[14:21:46] <matto> Fingolfin: $24 I think
[14:22:09] <wjp> Eur 27.20
[14:22:21] <matto> "Feverfew," he said as he tossed it back into Nadine's lap. He looked at the symbols on the other. "Betony." He tossed it back into her lap with the first. "you're not a healer," he said. "You're an herb woman."
[14:22:35] <wjp> TotW
[14:22:41] * matto laughs good-naturedly. "WJP, I never knew you believed the gossip about me. I'm afraid that I often have to resort to the charms of coin for company, but I'm flattered that you would think me so talented at wooing young ladies."
[14:23:15] <matto> wjp: correct, but then agian.. Nadine was only in one book :)
[14:23:17] <Fingolfin> hrm - why does amazond.de want me to pay 36,36 EUR for the US version, and EUR 31,25 for the UK version?
[14:23:25] <Fingolfin> wjp: which version, and where did you buy it?
[14:23:35] <wjp> it's the 'Tor' one
[14:23:42] <wjp> bought it at a local bookstore
[14:23:58] <Fingolfin> ah
[14:24:01] <Fingolfin> grmblfrm
[14:24:21] <Fingolfin> no way I can get it at a local store, except ordering it, and then they usual charge 3-4 DM / $ ...
[14:24:32] <wjp> that's the US one, right?
[14:24:49] <Fingolfin> US one is Tor, indeed
[14:24:59] <Fingolfin> since all the ones I have are Tor, I'd like to get it...
[14:25:07] <wjp> Tor has bigger pictures on the cover :-)
[14:25:23] <Fingolfin> but Eur 36 is quite a bit. In the past, I paid roughly the same in DM for the books... they want to charge me twice or what▀ :)
[14:25:23] <matto> I think it's Keith Parkinson again
[14:25:24] <matto> he rules
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[14:27:01] <wjp> http://www.proxis.be/IMG2/02/36/16/2361631M.jpg vs. http://www.proxis.be/IMG1/01/55/01/1550182M.jpg
[14:27:10] <wjp> I wonder why they would cut off part of the cover image
[14:27:29] <matto> I have the first one
[14:27:38] <wjp> yeah, me too
[14:27:39] <matto> w/ the yellow text
[14:27:44] <matto> the second one ... looks green
[14:28:03] <wjp> probably a poor scan
[14:28:18] <matto> half of Cara is cut off
[14:28:27] <wjp> the first one's colours aren't really right either
[14:29:01] <matto> by the way that picture rules :)
[14:29:20] <wjp> yeah :-)
[14:29:26] <matto> I don't imagine Richard looking quite like that
[14:29:31] <matto> but ... that's totally Cara
[14:30:28] <matto> who do you think is on the cover of book 2? I have decided it's Richard and Pasha
[14:31:18] <wjp> hmm, yes, I was wondering about that too
[14:31:28] <matto> it's not verna.. verna has curly hair
[14:31:34] <matto> it looks like they are in the hagen woods
[14:31:39] <wjp> Verna's older, too
[14:31:56] <matto> and he's got the mriswith cape
[14:32:18] <Fingolfin> btw
[14:32:20] <Fingolfin> in debt of bones
[14:32:33] <Fingolfin> the woman's hairs are far too long on the pictures!!!
[14:32:45] <wjp> heh, yeah, I noticed that too :-)
[14:32:51] <matto> yes.. I say once again.. that it's Richard and Pasha
[14:32:53] <wjp> should be just below the ears, IIRC
[14:33:17] <Fingolfin> *nod*
[14:33:21] <matto> oh hehe... I see what you mean about being far too long
[14:33:32] <matto> well zedd's hair is a bit long too
[14:34:18] <wjp> was Zedd's hair ever described?
[14:34:42] <matto> yes
[14:34:49] <matto> I was specifically watching for it
[14:34:55] <wjp> oh, btw, how much did you pay for debt of bones? Eur 21 here :/
[14:34:59] <matto> it was described as being unruly but not white
[14:35:06] <matto> $19 I think
[14:35:11] <matto> before tax
[14:35:20] <wjp> after tax for me
[14:35:41] <matto> maybe $21 after tax
[14:35:53] <wjp> I have the UK version of that one, it seems. (It lists a price of 13 pounds on the cover)
[14:35:53] <matto> it was definitely overpriced
[14:36:02] <matto> but $21 isn't that much money so I didn't worry too much about it
[14:36:21] <matto> hmm... what does your cover look like?
[14:36:23] <wjp> yeah, as long as it's just one book
[14:36:26] <matto> mine is green with big white letters
[14:36:38] * wjp nods. mine too
[14:37:13] <matto> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0575072563.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
[14:37:38] <matto> it was a good story though.. so I didn't mind
[14:37:39] * wjp was just looking at that one :-)
[14:37:46] <matto> I probably should've just bought the Legends book instead
[14:37:51] <matto> since it has that Robert Jordan story in it also
[14:37:59] <wjp> cover's the same. There's just a price in pounds in the green empty area in the topright
[14:38:30] <wjp> "Legends"?
[14:38:37] <matto> yeah
[14:38:43] <matto> didn't you know that's where Debt of Bones originally appeared?
[14:38:55] <matto> maybe it wasn't called Legends.. maybe it was just Legend
[14:39:14] <wjp> appears there's three 'Legends' books
[14:39:26] <wjp> the first one contains stories by both Goodkind and Jordan
[14:39:53] <wjp> (and Feist, McCaffrey and King)
[14:40:01] <matto> that's the one I read
[14:40:05] <matto> actually I borrowed it
[14:40:19] <wjp> nr.2: Goodkind, Martin, McCaffrey
[14:40:21] <matto> I read the Robert Jordan story and ignored the Terry Goodkind one (because I had never read any of his stuff)
[14:40:50] <wjp> nr.3: Jordan, Le Guin, Williams, Pratchett
[14:41:01] <Fingolfin> Debt Of Bones -> same for me, but lists 12 pound as price, not 13 :)
[14:42:23] <wjp> hmm,Amazon has the first 32 pages of Legends
[14:43:33] <matto> I'm confused by all these legends books
[14:43:42] <matto> I thought there was just one
[14:43:47] <matto> and there were definitely more than 3 authors represented
[14:43:50] <matto> more like 10 I thought
[14:44:07] <wjp> first one has 5, according to the ToC
[14:45:05] <wjp> maybe there's also a version that has all 3 in one
[14:45:34] <matto> ah ha
[14:45:40] <matto> ok.. 5 sounds right :)
[14:45:44] <matto> http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=6A3YXMSTRA&mscssid=XJJF8RWHLQ3N8P8UC2AK0LU53S8M3J86&isbn=0312867875
[14:45:50] <matto> I couldn't find it on Amazon ...
[14:45:57] <wjp> I could :-P
[14:46:14] <wjp> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312867875/qid=1007217519/sr=2-3/103-7156614-8435801
[14:47:04] <matto> anyway... I am still confused.. I thought there were more than 5
[14:48:46] <matto> hehe.. debt of pones.. page 87... sketch of Abby disguised as Mord-Sith
[14:48:57] <matto> she'd need _really_ long hair in that picture
[14:49:04] <wjp> it's fake hair
[14:49:26] <wjp> you did read it, didn't you? ;-)
[14:50:44] <matto> yes I read it
[14:50:51] <matto> I guess I forgot
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[14:51:58] <wjp> hmm, Debt of Bones is in two of the Legends books
[14:52:00] <Fingolfin> the braid was tied into her hair by Zedd I think
[14:52:06] <wjp> yeah
[14:52:10] <rovragge> hello... exult crashes every time when doing 'journey onward' with my current game state in black gate
[14:52:11] <matto> hrmmph
[14:52:23] <matto> rovragge: sounds like your save game file is corrupted
[14:52:37] <rovragge> matto: what to do about it?
[14:52:44] <Fingolfin> are your .flx files up to date?
[14:52:45] <Colourless> what's in stdout/stderr
[14:52:51] <Fingolfin> what exact crash message do you get ?
[14:52:52] <matto> rovragge: start a new came and cheat your way back to your current position :)
[14:52:53] <Fingolfin> and what OS?
[14:53:03] <wjp> did you ever start a game succesfully in the current version?
[14:53:12] <rovragge> Creating new player thread
[14:53:13] <rovragge> Aborted (core dumped)
[14:53:33] <rovragge> wjp: tried an earlier working version, all well as from current cvs
[14:53:45] <rovragge> as well
[14:53:50] <matto> I suppose that the reason I missed that the braid was fake hair was because I read the book through too quickly
[14:54:13] <wjp> did anything 'strange' happen the last time you played?
[14:54:14] <Colourless> sounds like something is amiss with the linux version
[14:54:38] <rovragge> wjp: i don't remeber it too well, but yes I suppose there was a crash when saving
[14:54:41] <Colourless> what system are you using?
[14:54:46] <rovragge> linux
[14:55:06] <Colourless> i gathered that already. what processor?
[14:55:25] <rovragge> Colourless: AMD K7
[14:55:38] <wjp> did you build exult yourself?
[14:56:11] <rovragge> the behavior didnt change when I upgraded exult. I have an old build which worked fine for playing, which has the same bug.
[14:56:37] * Darke has a k7, and hasn't experienced a problem with this, for reference.
[14:56:39] <matto> rovragge: have you tried using gdb to see what's causing the crash?
[14:56:50] <rovragge> matto: yes. want backtrace?
[14:56:55] <wjp> yup
[14:56:57] * matto is surprisedfluff at Darkefluff's statement
[14:57:35] * Darke thwaps matto with a nerf-batton.
[14:57:37] <Colourless> <fluff> !
[14:57:37] * wjp wondersfluff whyfluff mattofluff isfluff sayingfluff flufffluff thatfluff muchfluff
[14:57:42] <rovragge> matto: ehrm... crashes in libc
[14:58:04] <wjp> what's the first exult function in the stacktrace?
[14:58:04] <rovragge> right after the creation of a new thread
[14:58:16] <wjp> (if any)
[14:58:20] <rovragge> none
[14:58:25] <Colourless> oh no, we don't have a topic
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[14:58:28] <rovragge> outermost is
[14:58:29] <rovragge> #9 0x4024a65f in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
[14:58:30] * matto sets topic of #exult to be "Exult : Play Black Gate and defeat Batlin and his <Fluff>owship"
[14:58:47] --- Colourless gives channel operator status to matto
[14:58:48] <rovragge> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
[14:58:48] <rovragge> [Switching to Thread 1024 (LWP 18001)]
[14:58:48] <rovragge> 0x4025a911 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
[14:58:48] <rovragge> (gdb) where
[14:58:48] <rovragge> #0 0x4025a911 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
[14:58:48] <rovragge> #1 0x4019bc0e in pthread_kill () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[14:59:21] <wjp> can you see what the main thread is doing?
[14:59:36] <rovragge> i'm not too good at mt debugging
[14:59:43] <wjp> me neither :-(
[15:00:51] <matto> rovragge: what's the last exult function it's in before it gets into libc?
[15:00:52] <rovragge> 7 Thread 5126 (LWP 18009) 0x402fbe1e in select () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:00:52] <rovragge> 4 Thread 2051 (LWP 18004) 0x402f4b24 in write () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:00:52] <rovragge> 3 Thread 1026 (LWP 18003) 0x402fbe1e in select () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:00:52] <rovragge> 2 Thread 2049 (LWP 18002) 0x402fa2b0 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:00:52] <rovragge> * 1 Thread 1024 (LWP 18001) 0x4025a911 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:01:04] <rovragge> oops
[15:01:20] <matto> the looks like that's part of SDL's event handler
[15:02:08] * matto throws a bird-fluff grenade at Darke
[15:02:12] <rovragge> thr 7: is somewhere around midi_process (p=0x82a4d40) at Timidity_binary.cc:71
[15:02:37] <rovragge> thr 4: is in sdl somewhere
[15:02:46] <rovragge> thr 3: also sdl
[15:03:15] <wjp> (try "thread apply 1 2 3 4 7 bt")
[15:03:34] <rovragge> want the whole bt pasted?
[15:03:36] <wjp> (should show backtraces for all threads at once)
[15:03:57] <wjp> any bt's with exult functions in there?
[15:03:58] <matto> that would be a few screenfuls :)
[15:04:00] <rovragge> ok, here goes:
[15:04:02] <rovragge> Thread 1 (Thread 1024 (LWP 18001)):
[15:04:02] <rovragge> #0 0x4025a911 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:04:02] <rovragge> #1 0x4019bc0e in pthread_kill () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[15:04:02] <rovragge> #2 0x4019c0dd in raise () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[15:04:02] <rovragge> #3 0x4025bd71 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
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[15:04:09] <matto> hehehe
[15:04:11] <rovragge> oops
[15:04:16] * Darke grins. "Just a tad too much."
[15:04:17] <wjp> <wjp> any bt's with exult functions in there?
[15:04:21] <rovragge> no
[15:04:26] <wjp> hmm, ok
[15:04:41] <rovragge> midi_process (p=0x82a4d40) at Timidity_binary.cc:71
[15:04:45] <rovragge> thats exult
[15:05:19] * wjp is guessing/hoping it's just a side-effect of the crash while saving
[15:05:24] <matto> in the unlikely event that the avatar stops me from coming through the black gate *licks lips* I command *voice trembling* you to follow the unwitting human female Gwenno.. to the serpent isle
[15:06:22] * Darke wonders at matto's sanity.
[15:06:30] <matto> it's kind of amazing that SI is playable to the end ... I remember when Freedman was saying that SI was probably never going to happen
[15:07:06] <wjp> rovragge: does starting a new game work?
[15:07:21] <Darke> <nod> I have a faint memory of that. Wasn't it due to the complexity of SI's usecode or something?
[15:07:26] <rovragge> wjp: yes
[15:07:47] <wjp> Darke: yeah
[15:08:16] * Darke hasn't really touched on SI's usecode yet. He's sure there's enough headaches in BG's for the moment.
[15:08:17] <wjp> and after starting a new game journey onwards works? (*crosses fingers*)
[15:08:54] <rovragge> wjp: yes, i loaded an old savegame inbetween also
[15:08:55] <wjp> Darke: it's mostly identical to BG's. It's just the intrinsics and stuff that are different
[15:09:23] <wjp> Darke: there's also a couple of extra 'eventid's
[15:09:37] <rovragge> wjp: the quicksave slot had no valid screenshot or info
[15:09:40] <matto> rovragge: ahh... I think you've encountered the "wjp bug"
[15:09:45] <rovragge> wjp: so it was corrupted
[15:10:10] * wjp wonders what the "wjp bug" is
[15:10:15] * matto grins
[15:10:26] * wjp is pretty sure he's not an insect
[15:10:50] * matto laughs good-naturedly. "WJP, I never knew you believed the gossip about me. I'm afraid that I often have to resort to the charms of coin for company, but I'm flattered that you would think me so talented at wooing young ladies."
[15:11:08] <wjp> you're repeating yourself :-)
[15:11:20] <matto> well that line "charms of coin" is too funny to only be said once :)
[15:11:57] <matto> when I read clever sentences like that, I am inspired to start writing my own book
[15:12:09] <matto> but then I realize that I just want to find a situation where I can use a line similar ...
[15:12:12] <rovragge> what are the people behind u7 up to nowadays?
[15:12:33] <matto> rovragge: looking for work, I believe
[15:12:51] <Colourless> really, you have no idea
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[15:17:03] * Darke is tempted to start running his decompiler over usecode.si to test it, he knows his disassembler can handle it... hmm...
[15:25:31] <rovragge> wjp: it crashes everytime i do a quicksave now
[15:26:57] <wjp> does the stacktrace for this one give any more info?
[15:28:25] <rovragge> wjp: oops i was wrong. was not reproducable, but crashed twice on quicksave
[15:29:45] <wjp> hmm, what area of the game are you in?
[15:29:59] <rovragge> quicksave crash was in the house of games
[15:30:42] <rovragge> is the sdl parachute preventing coredumps?
[15:31:46] <wjp> yes
[15:31:51] <rovragge> how to disable?
[15:32:15] <wjp> configuring with --disable-sdl-parachute should disable it
[15:32:31] <rovragge> what does the sdl parachute do?
[15:32:45] <wjp> it just traps any fatal signals and cleanly exits
[15:33:29] <wjp> this might be necessary when running in fullscreen mode, for instance
[15:34:54] <rovragge> hmm well have no backtrace since i forgot to run it inside gdb, and it is not reproducable now
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[16:00:47] * matto is back from McDonalds with 8 very unhealthy, greasy hash browns
[16:00:50] <matto> mmmmmmmmmmm
[16:00:56] <Colourless> :-)
[16:01:50] <Fingolfin> =)
[16:01:56] <Fingolfin> matto: I will miss you
[16:02:04] <matto> ?
[16:02:44] <Darke> Death by grease?
[16:03:09] <Fingolfin> well, you are actively reducing your life expectancy
[16:03:42] <Darke> Fingolfin: You just have to eat from McDonalds to do that. <grin> It doesn't _have_ to be hash browns.
[16:03:47] <wjp> Fingolfin: http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1405&t=1405
[16:04:04] <wjp> what's a 'hash brown' ?
[16:04:39] <Darke> Deep fried mashed potato.
[16:04:53] <matto> it's small chopped up potato chunks that was fried into a clump of crunchy greasy goodness
[16:04:53] <wjp> is that edible?
[16:04:54] <Darke> Usually in a flat thin 'cake'.
[16:04:55] <matto> quite good :)
[16:05:05] <matto> quite unhealthy also
[16:05:08] <matto> there is always a price
[16:05:23] <Darke> wjp: Yes. <grin> Homemade ones are far more edible then McDonalds and far, _far_ healthier.
[16:05:45] <wjp> doesn't sound like anything we have here
[16:06:58] <Fingolfin> wjp: you only get those in US I think... at least that's the only time I saw them
[16:07:10] <Darke> wjp: Do they server beer in McDonalds in .nl? Just curious, I recall someone mentioning they do in .de. <grin>
[16:07:11] <Fingolfin> but they are a bit like the german "bratkartoffeln" but only a bi
[16:07:16] <Darke> Fingolfin: And in .au.
[16:07:24] <Fingolfin> wjp: thx, will look into the forum post
[16:07:29] <matto> yes.. the US is notorious for its fat foods and fat people
[16:07:38] <matto> however let me assure you that I am not fat :)
[16:07:42] <wjp> Fingolfin: someone claiming the OSX version doesn't work, btw
[16:07:42] <Fingolfin> Darke: no idea how it is here in .de, and neither do I have a clue about .au
[16:07:56] <Fingolfin> Darke: I am never going to McDonald's, nor do I drink beer :)
[16:07:59] <wjp> I don't think they serve beer here in .nl. Haven't been to McDonalds in a few years, though
[16:08:13] <wjp> and, no, I don't drink beer either :-)
[16:08:27] <matto> to make hash browns you just grate a potato or cut it up into small chunks, then fry it until the top and bottom are brown and crunchy.. and of course salt :)
[16:08:40] * Darke shrugs, he has no idea. It's not through a 'reputable' source he'd heard about been in McDonalds in .de. <grin>
[16:08:47] <matto> mcdonalds is a horrible place.. but I do like their hash browns and Pommes Frites
[16:08:48] <Darke> s/been/beer/
[16:10:22] * Darke agrees that McD's is a horrible place. Unfortunatly when it's 2am in the morning, you're walking to work to code and you need to get 'breakfast', there's not much alternate food (for small values of food) avaliable. <grin>
[16:10:42] <matto> hehehe
[16:10:44] <matto> yeah.. it's convenient
[16:10:51] <matto> I try not to go there very often
[16:10:55] <Darke> matto: A little bit _too_ convenient. <grin>
[16:12:05] * Darke purrs quietly and happybounces. Roleplaying is fun.
[16:12:33] <matto> hmm.. I wonder where that German fellow is that likes to cuddle with you
[16:12:58] <matto> and what do you mean roleplaying? I really did go to mcdonalds and I realy am eating their greasy hash browns! hehe
[16:13:01] <Darke> The german cub? <grin> No idea.
[16:13:05] <Fingolfin> you don't have to make excuses for going to McDonald's BTW
[16:13:14] <Fingolfin> I mean, I am not believing you a single word anyway
[16:14:24] <Darke> Fingolfin: Of course, I don't believe people when they're saying they are going to McD's to get some 'food'. It's not as if there is anything I would class as food at McD's.
[16:15:20] <wjp> their ice cream is ok :-)
[16:16:05] <matto> hehe
[16:16:20] <wjp> ...and I guess their french fries aren't bad either
[16:16:28] <matto> their french fries are really good
[16:16:33] <Colourless> yeah
[16:16:33] <matto> tasting
[16:17:29] * Darke thinks they're rather tasteless, he prefer's KFC's chips.
[16:17:36] * matto is finished eating. "I'm probably going to regret this later."
[16:17:58] <matto> you have kfc?
[16:18:03] <Darke> Random Link: http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~mar/customer.html
[16:18:05] <Colourless> kfc does have good chips
[16:18:16] <wjp> kfc?
[16:18:21] <matto> here's a bit of trivia.. the first KFC in the world was here where I live. A dubious distinction at best :)
[16:18:36] <matto> Kentucky Fried chicken
[16:18:41] <wjp> oh, right
[16:18:46] <Darke> matto: In .au? Yes, sure. We've absorbed almost everything else the .us has created. <grin> What you would know as IIRC "Burger King" is known as "Hungry Jacks" in .au though.
[16:18:48] <matto> they shortened their name to KFC to make it sound less unhealthy :)
[16:19:05] <Darke> matto: That's my take on it as well. <grin>
[16:19:14] <matto> yes.. Burger King is prominent around here
[16:19:39] <matto> what about Taco Bell? do you have that? hehehe
[16:19:45] <Colourless> Hungry Jacks french fries are terrible
[16:19:54] <Colourless> as far as I know we don't have Taco Bell
[16:20:13] <Darke> IIRC in sheer number of stores terms. McD's has the most then KFC's and then HJ/BK with the least. Thankfully no pathetic Taco Bell stores.
[16:20:17] <matto> it seems to be more prominent in the western US, near Mexico
[16:20:43] * Darke agrees with the 'terribleness' of HJ's fries. They are as bad as McD's.
[16:20:58] <matto> hehehe
[16:21:41] <Fingolfin> we have McDonalds here a lot (80% or more of the market share), then Burger King, and very few KFCs
[16:22:00] <Fingolfin> just like Coca Cola has 80% or so here, and Pepsi maybe 15%
[16:22:34] <matto> Fingolfin: did you know that German Sprite is different than US sprite? (you probably don't care hehe)
[16:22:59] <matto> sprite is my preferred drink and when I went to Germany I noticed it was distinctly different .. I even took a can home with me (which I still have unopened as a souviniere (sp?))
[16:23:20] <Darke> In .au it seems Coke has about 55-60% and Pepsi the remainder, minus a few percent for 'minor' brands like DrPepper.
[16:23:57] <Colourless> i think coke's market share higher than that
[16:23:57] <Darke> Then there's IIRC the decafinated Mountain Dew, which is supposed to have caffine in the .us.
[16:24:03] <Fingolfin> matto: Coke is different, too
[16:24:10] <matto> yes mountain dew has caffeine here
[16:24:24] <Fingolfin> never saw Mountain Dew in germany
[16:24:26] <Colourless> only cola is allowed to have caffeine here
[16:24:27] <matto> I don't like MD, it tastes like schlop
[16:24:34] <Fingolfin> got a lot of it when I was in californiat, though :)
[16:24:56] <Fingolfin> lilo oh lilo, what shall the become?
[16:25:10] <matto> Colourless: interesting ...
[16:25:17] <matto> I don't care for caffeine anyway, so that suits me just fine
[16:25:22] <Darke> Colourless: I'm not really sure. It's iffy, I tend to see only a few more people wandering around drinking coke then Pepsi at uni. <shrug> More guess then anything else.
[16:25:54] <matto> lately I see a lot of people wandering around drinking bottled water ...
[16:26:21] <matto> BTW ... do they have drinking fountains where you guys live?
[16:26:26] <matto> I seem to recall that they don't in germany
[16:26:35] * Fingolfin sees almost *nobody* walking around at university drinking anything coke like :)
[16:26:47] * Darke remembers the report with something similar to the phrase, "Mountain Dew has the same colour and density as urine." I should hunt around for a source to that quote. <grin>
[16:26:57] <matto> Darke: hahaha.. same color, definitely :)
[16:27:04] <Fingolfin> and in the "mensa" at university, they only serve Coca Cola, not Pepsi (but I usually drink juice :)
[16:27:12] <Darke> matto: I think it also mentioned 'ph' as well. <grin> It's hazy.
[16:27:35] <matto> I like orange juice... cranberry juice... lemonade/limeade .. and grapefruit juice.. mmmmm
[16:30:29] <wjp> matto: no drinking fountains here
[16:31:01] <matto> well there are two right outside the door of one of my classes. and some guy still bought bottled water... I think it's just a fad
[16:37:26] <wjp> Fingolfin: that OSX problem seems to be a libz version conflict. (BlkDragon replied to your post)
[16:37:34] * Darke nods, it's a big fad in .au as well for no particular reason.
[16:38:13] <Fingolfin> hmm
[16:39:36] <matto> people tricking themselves into thinking they prefer the bottled water
[16:39:39] <matto> like a placebo
[16:39:41] <Fingolfin> grrrr
[16:39:51] <Fingolfin> wjp: I see, yeah, shit
[16:40:19] <Fingolfin> the problem is a problem in the updated libz I am using; it is built wrongly - seems I gotta update fink, and then the exult binary
[16:40:38] <Colourless> matto, not true everywhere. adelaide water is terrible
[16:40:57] <matto> Colourless: point taken
[16:41:01] <wjp> same for the water in Rome and Firenze
[16:41:18] <wjp> (and probably most other major cities in Italy)
[16:42:28] <matto> hehe
[16:42:52] * matto is querying his Italian friend about Italy's water situation
[16:42:57] <wjp> :-)
[16:47:40] <matto> Firenze.. I think I know someone who lives there
[16:47:45] <matto> I know someone who lives in Rome
[16:48:02] <rovragge> eh.. i've been playing rat race for a while in buccaneers den, and when i try to pick up won money, I get a sigsegv
[16:48:12] <matto> many Italians love laserdisc arcade games so I know more of them than any other group in Europe
[16:48:15] <rovragge> #0 0x080bb081 in Game_window::find_objects (this=0x404d0008, lift=2, x=177, y=42, list=0xbffff6d0) at gamewin.cc:2568
[16:48:15] <rovragge> #1 0x080b80c6 in Game_window::find_object (this=0x87a04b8, x=142214240, y=142214152) at gamewin.cc:2502
[16:49:04] <wjp> are you still in gdb there?
[16:49:17] <matto> rat race!!!
[16:49:27] <rovragge> yes
[16:49:28] <matto> I seem to recall some problems w/ gambling in Buc Den in the past ...
[16:49:50] <wjp> what does "print cnt" return?
[16:50:07] <rovragge> $4 = 588
[16:50:29] <wjp> hmm, that's a bit high, I think
[16:50:36] <wjp> can you give #2 from the backtrace?
[16:51:45] <matto> does anyone remember the Hoe of Destruction that you get from the farmer's shed when he killed the Kilrathi?
[16:51:45] <rovragge> #2 0x087a0510 in ?? ()
[16:52:09] <matto> a) what's the 'proper' way to open the shed door (I used a powder keg or else blackrock) b) is the hoe any good as a weapon or is it junk?
[16:52:35] <Fingolfin> use the key
[16:52:37] <wjp> a) there's a key in a fish body on the west shore of Lock Lake b) AFAIK it's pretty good
[16:52:38] <Fingolfin> the key in the fish
[16:52:46] <matto> a key!
[16:53:02] <wjp> rovragge: find_object() seems to be called with absurd x,y coords
[16:53:49] <Colourless> indeed
[16:53:49] <rovragge> it couldnt be that I won too much money, which is now on one spot?
[16:54:28] <Colourless> unlikely
[16:55:14] <wjp> where do you have the put the money you bet, btw?
[16:55:28] <rovragge> lane 4
[16:55:50] <rovragge> heh, i cheated some times with quicksave
[16:55:55] <wjp> I meant where on the lane do you put the money? The green square?
[16:56:12] <rovragge> yes, the green square
[16:56:42] <wjp> my money doesn't seem to disappear if I lose
[16:57:33] <wjp> hehe, any money that's on the floor disappears when I use the roulette wheel
[16:57:34] <rovragge> anyways, this occured only when the amount of money was after consecutive wins, which i cheated to get.. ;)
[16:58:21] <matto> I didn't know you could cheat to win.. cool :)
[16:58:33] <wjp> just save & reload if you lose...
[16:58:46] <rovragge> uhm, lame kind of cheating... bet, play, if you loose, restore quicksave etc
[16:58:55] <matto> rovragge: oh.. that _is_ lame :)
[16:59:10] <wjp> for the roulette wheel: start the wheel, save, look at the outcome, reload, bet on that colour
[16:59:18] <matto> wjp: haha
[16:59:25] <wjp> don't know if that works in exult, though
[16:59:35] <Colourless> should do
[16:59:51] <matto> is there anyway to disable the copy protection? :)
[16:59:58] <wjp> hack the usecode
[17:00:02] <matto> ah
[17:00:11] <matto> I wonder if that's what they did when they originally cracked the game.. seems unlikely
[17:00:31] <Colourless> it's all usecode controlled. the colour is chosen by the wheel's usecode function so it's chosen when you double click the wheel
[17:00:59] <wjp> and the rest is scheduled usecode?
[17:01:03] <Colourless> yeah
[17:01:28] <wjp> hmm, I can't seem to win or lose money on the rat race
[17:05:04] <Fingolfin> matto: what was that?!?
[17:05:24] <Fingolfin> ha, you didn't update your IRC client yet, just like me =)
[17:05:33] <matto> Fingolfin: what was what?
[17:05:34] <wjp> rovragge: how many times did you win? (and do you know how much money you win?)
[17:05:45] <Fingolfin> matto: CTCP
[17:05:52] <matto> Fingolfin: that was a few minutes ago :)
[17:06:00] <matto> actually I thought I was up to date
[17:06:00] * wjp is _really_ behind... 1.8.1
[17:06:06] <Fingolfin> yeah but I was in deep hack mode, don't expect me to notice anything then :)
[17:06:17] <rovragge> wjp: 4 times maybe
[17:06:22] * Fingolfin is relinking exult/OSX, hoping this will fix the problem
[17:06:52] <wjp> if your money quadruples on every win, you'll be over the limit of 100 objects
[17:07:15] <rovragge> wjp: ok, that explains the high list count?
[17:07:23] <matto> Fingolfin: is there a newer xchat out than 1.8.5 then?
[17:07:24] <wjp> kind of bad that find_object creates a fixed-size array, and find_objects doesn't check it
[17:07:30] <wjp> 1.8.6, since 3 days or so
[17:08:01] <Fingolfin> matto: as wjp says :)
[17:08:08] <matto> ok .. I'll go upgrade
[17:08:18] * Fingolfin has not yet gotten around updating the OS X xchat package, which explains why he is still at 1.8.6 :)
[17:08:54] <-- matto has left IRC ("upgrading xchat")
[17:08:57] <wjp> rovragge: yeah, that would explain the high cnt
[17:09:12] * Colourless hasn't updated his irc client in literal years
[17:09:26] <rovragge> wjp: quicksave sigsegv with bt
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[17:09:39] <rovragge> #0 0x0804fffb in Actor::write (this=0x8ca4638, nfile=@0xbffff784) at actorio.cc:454
[17:09:39] <rovragge> #1 0x080cdddb in Game_window::write_npcs (this=0x404d0008) at readnpcs.cc:142
[17:09:55] <matto> welp .. looks like they don't have 1.8.6 yet in debian unstable .. but I did get a new version of 1.8.5 :)
[17:10:00] <wjp> ooh, nice... in Actor::write
[17:10:21] <wjp> "print this->npc_num"
[17:10:34] <rovragge> 0
[17:11:18] <Colourless> the line in question is : nfile.put(get_property(Actor::health));
[17:11:22] <wjp> yes...
[17:11:23] <wjp> strange
[17:12:19] <Colourless> try the usecode number
[17:12:29] <wjp> "print this->usecode"
[17:12:37] <rovragge> 0
[17:12:43] <wjp> how nice
[17:12:57] <Colourless> that npc just literally doesn't exist
[17:13:01] <wjp> "up"
[17:13:03] <Fingolfin> if I upload a fixed OS X binary, how should I label it.. not at all? or 0.96beta1a ? or what?
[17:13:11] <wjp> "print i"
[17:13:21] <rovragge> oops, is this due to an npc getting deleted?
[17:13:30] <rovragge> sorry, i report too unlikely bugs
[17:13:35] <wjp> you didn't accidently Ctrl-D someone, did you? :-)
[17:13:41] <rovragge> yes i did :)
[17:13:48] <wjp> *grin*
[17:13:52] <matto> hehe
[17:14:01] <rovragge> not the same quicksave bug i had earlier
[17:14:06] <rovragge> well, perhaps i'll find it
[17:14:09] <matto> ctrl-d, eh? I never knew about that one
[17:14:25] <Colourless> it shouldn't matter
[17:15:47] * Darke bows. "Night all. Must curl up in a ball to fall asleep. I need to be awake in... umm... under 5 hours or so." <grin>
[17:15:51] <Colourless> well maybe it does
[17:15:57] <wjp> night
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[17:16:53] <Colourless> a remove_this() is done so it will in the end attempt to delete the NPC
[17:17:08] <wjp> yes, and that is kind of bad
[17:17:15] <Colourless> perhaps Npc_actor::remove_this() should not allow nodal to be 0
[17:17:51] * wjp nods... npc's never should be deleted
[17:18:20] <Colourless> all that needs to be changed is line 3937 in Actor.cc to Actor::remove_this(1);
[17:19:37] <wjp> ok, I'll change that
[17:20:35] * wjp has dozens of minor changes in his local copy now
[17:20:53] <wjp> (and a medium one (crc))
[17:21:28] * Colourless also has some changes in his local copy too, nothing that effects exult though
[17:27:17] <wjp> *blinks*... configure fails on the solaris machine I have access to... "compiler cannot create executables"
[17:27:38] <Colourless> wow, such a descriptive error message :-)
[17:27:49] * wjp blinks again
[17:27:53] <wjp> /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed
[17:27:54] <matto> hehe
[17:28:19] <Colourless> heh
[17:28:22] <wjp> they actually installed another 'cc' program... ARGH
[17:28:25] <Colourless> that is optional? :-)
[17:29:10] <wjp> /usr/ucb/cc is the interface to the BSD Compatibility Package C compiler
[17:29:17] <matto> I've got a thread in my SDL program that appears to have gone into an infinite loop (using all available cpu resources). Is there a way to break the execution so I can see what's going on?
[17:29:30] <wjp> ctrl-c?
[17:29:50] <matto> hmmm
[17:30:00] <wjp> are you running it in gdb?
[17:30:08] <matto> no :) but I can restart it in gdb
[17:30:30] <matto> if I do ctrl-c can I keep running the program after it's in gdb?
[17:30:36] <matto> or is it doomed to shutdown?
[17:31:06] <wjp> I haven't figured that one out yet... sometimes you can 'continue' it, sometimes you can't
[17:31:16] <wjp> maybe sending some other signal works better
[17:31:18] <matto> hmmm
[17:31:23] <matto> ctrl-z :)
[17:31:25] <wjp> kill -HUP ?
[17:38:42] <wjp> ok, I rewrote Game_window::find_object to use a variable-sized list now
[17:38:53] <wjp> that should prevent the crash when you win too much money :-)
[17:40:26] <matto> gltron says to send it a SIGSTOP command
[17:40:43] <matto> gdb running.. now if I can reproduce the problem ...
[17:40:51] <Fingolfin> (j #sdl
[17:40:55] <wjp> :-)
[17:40:58] <Fingolfin> typo =)
[17:41:00] <wjp> that should be / ;-)
[17:41:06] <Fingolfin> no really?
[17:41:07] <Fingolfin> hm
[17:41:09] <wjp> yeah, really :-)
[17:41:11] <Fingolfin> interesting theor
[17:41:13] <Fingolfin> y
[17:41:33] <wjp> ?
[17:41:53] * Fingolfin is happy now to have finished his current task @ his company... was tricky, and required reporting several bugs in OS X <sigh>
[17:42:07] <Fingolfin> so now I can relax the rest of the weekend, phew
[17:42:23] * wjp still has to do algebra homework for monday
[17:42:31] <wjp> (last time this semester! woohoo :-) )
[17:43:03] <wjp> matto: you could probably also attach gdb to the process if you still had it running
[17:45:35] * Fingolfin goes watching enterprise ep 10
[17:45:50] <wjp> the new star trek?
[17:46:26] <Fingolfin> aye
[17:46:44] <wjp> hmm, how/where are you going to watch that? :-)
[17:47:03] <Fingolfin> there was this truck, and some MPEG files dropped from it when it passed by me *cough*
[17:47:12] <wjp> ah, ok, that's alright then
[17:47:24] <Colourless> heh
[17:47:28] <wjp> funny... IIRC, that's also how you got a OSX beta
[17:47:28] <Fingolfin> I tried to follow the truck and give them back, but I was not fast enough =)
[17:47:45] <Fingolfin> live is full of wonderous circumstances :)
[17:47:51] <wjp> there must be a lot of potholes on the road you live on :-)
[17:48:06] <Fingolfin> luckily, I am not relaying on trucks anymore, I got a free Apple Seed key, as a gift
[17:48:24] <Fingolfin> wjp: it is more a crater than a road, really =)
[17:48:31] <wjp> that would explain, I guess :-)
[17:48:48] <Fingolfin> <g>
[17:49:05] * wjp wonders why the trucks don't avoid that 'road', then... hmm...
[17:49:31] <wjp> maybe I should go looking for some.. uh... bumpy roads nearby too..
[17:50:35] <Colourless> I dont think I would be able to fit anything that I found on a 'bumpy road' though my front door ;-)
[17:51:01] <wjp> my front door has been enlarged quite a bit, luckily :-)
[17:51:07] <Fingolfin> not even a few MPEG files that dropped onto the stree... er crater bottom?
[17:51:11] <Fingolfin> he :)
[17:51:20] * wjp has a 512Kbit front door
[17:51:36] <Colourless> it would probably take me a few hours to get it through
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[17:56:54] <EazyCheez> erm
[17:56:58] <wjp> hi
[17:57:05] <EazyCheez> that's incredibly pessimistic :)
[17:57:10] <matto> EZ CHEEZ!!!!!!
[17:57:14] <EazyCheez> but funny, even if untrue
[17:57:17] <EazyCheez> hey matto
[17:57:21] <Colourless> hi
[17:57:27] <EazyCheez> hey exultguyz
[17:57:41] <matto> nothing in this life is ever easy.. and that includes cheese
[17:57:51] <EazyCheez> hey it's december 1
[17:57:55] <EazyCheez> I didn't notice that
[17:57:57] <matto> so it is
[17:58:05] <Colourless> no, it's december 2
[17:58:11] <wjp> that must be because yesterday was Nov 30 ;-)
[17:58:11] <EazyCheez> you guys aren't doing CVS's anymore, now that beta 1's out right?
[17:58:16] <matto> for me it's december first, 10:58
[17:58:23] <Colourless> no yesterday it was december 1
[17:58:32] <matto> EazyCheez: I'd assume they'd keep doing cvs .. why wouldn't they?
[17:58:40] <EazyCheez> Colourless: you're a day ahead of us :) And you are in the mountain timezone
[17:58:44] <EazyCheez> matto I meant
[17:58:46] <matto> oh you mean the daily snapshots?
[17:59:00] <Colourless> there just haven't been any changes yet actually
[17:59:06] <matto> EazyCheez: I am in mountain time zone
[17:59:38] <Colourless> december 2nd, 4:30
[18:01:09] <matto> how did they decide which pole was north and which pole was south?
[18:01:38] <Colourless> someone said, that way is north, while pointing north :-)
[18:01:50] <matto> if you were looking at the earth from space... I'd imagine that either pole could be considered north or south .. there wouldn't really be a way to orient it ...
[18:02:13] <Colourless> of course not.
[18:03:09] <matto> does it snow in Australia?
[18:03:19] <Colourless> yeah, but not where I am :-)
[18:03:29] <matto> what time of the year does it snow?
[18:03:42] <Colourless> winter, duh :-)
[18:03:56] <matto> winter is different depending which hemisphere you're in
[18:04:14] <Colourless> yes, it's june, july, august here :-)
[18:04:23] <matto> for example, when I lived in South Africa ... we went to the beach on Christmas day ... it was nice and hot
[18:04:46] <matto> but where I live now.. December 25th is in the middle of winter
[18:04:57] <Colourless> it's like that here . bloody hot
[18:05:01] <matto> (and it's snowing outside right now)
[18:05:39] <matto> I'd like to visit australia for no other reason than to be amazed at the different seasons :)
[18:06:10] <matto> having it hot in December again would be fun hehe
[18:06:18] <Colourless> well, if you are used to snow, come to adelaide in january/feburary and prepare to die :-)
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[18:26:57] <Colourless> hmmm, seems like a storm has come in
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[18:42:12] <matto> wb EZ
[18:53:51] <EazyCheez> :)
[18:53:53] <EazyCheez> crash
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