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[00:01:10] <wjp> Fingolfin: changing the cvs mails is probably a good idea. If you want you can change it (or I can do it tomorrow)
[00:01:49] <Fingolfin> I'll have a go at it
[00:04:02] <wjp> oh, btw, I noticed a slight glitch in the scummvm build system last week, which probably also occurs in the pentagram system
[00:04:25] <wjp> when you delete a file x one of the other files depends on, you'll get a 'no rule to build x' error
[00:04:42] <wjp> automake solves this by creating dummy targets for all of the dependencies of a file
[00:04:55] <wjp> (so an automake dependency file looks something like:
[00:05:04] <wjp> blah.o: foo.c foo.h
[00:05:06] <wjp> foo.c:
[00:05:07] <wjp> foo.h:
[00:05:08] <wjp> )
[00:06:12] <Fingolfin> yup i noticed the problem... could probably add the same fix to them
[00:06:22] <Fingolfin> I changed the log mails, let's see if it works
[00:07:05] <wjp> if you're looking for something to commit, there's a typo in the header line of module.mk
[00:07:08] <wjp> :-)
[00:08:45] <wjp> or you can remove an empty line somewhere, yes ;-)
[00:08:52] <wjp> seems to work
[00:09:02] <Fingolfin> typo fixed, too =)
[00:09:26] <wjp> make clean is behaving weird
[00:16:47] <wjp> ah, not all that strange
[00:17:01] <wjp> Colourless forgot to change some things from .cc to .cpp
[00:22:35] <wjp> ok, I really should be going now :-)
[00:22:36] <wjp> g'night
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[06:09:57] <Colourless> hi
[06:36:02] <Darke> Hi!
[06:46:38] * Colourless notices something... strange... an Add for MSVC.NET on SourceForge
[06:47:07] <Colourless> actually it's VisualStudio.Net
[06:48:21] <Colourless> now... it brings up and interesting conundrum, why is Microsoft supporting open source software :-)
[06:51:57] * Darke shrugs. No idea. He's seen quite a few MS adds on sf.net. *grin*
[06:53:39] * Colourless would like to upgrade to VisualStudio.Net, but of course price is a limiting factor. MSVC.Net fixes many of the standards complient problems that MSVC6 has
[07:10:38] <Colourless> the Pentagram FAQ needs to be added to the website :-)
[07:10:47] <Colourless> got to be sure that no one will ever read it :-)
[07:12:48] * Darke snickers.
[07:14:20] <Colourless> time for me to be off
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[07:39:41] <Zxcvb> is there an option to let the avatar actually finish off enemies, instead of just knocking them out?
[07:41:18] <Darke> Not that I know of.
[07:41:35] <Darke> Actually, can't you just keep attacking them?
[07:41:47] <Darke> (double click on them again, that is)
[07:42:05] <Zxcvb> yeah
[07:42:08] <Zxcvb> it's annoying, though
[07:42:54] <Zxcvb> what is the most accurate exult to use?
[07:43:27] <Darke> How do you mean?
[07:43:45] <Zxcvb> I mean the 1.0 or 1.1 branch
[07:44:00] <Zxcvb> and accurate as in closest to ultima 7 (except for the extra keys)
[07:45:23] <Darke> Not a clue, I'm afraid.
[07:48:21] <Zxcvb> is 1.2 almost ready?
[07:48:41] <Zxcvb> or whatever 1.1 will be when it becomes the stable branch?
[07:53:30] <Kirben> 1.2 will be long time ahead.
[07:55:22] <Zxcvb> Kirben: so is the goal for 1.2 everything works like in ultima 7 (perfect accuracy) and no bugs?
[07:55:41] <Zxcvb> Kirben: like the combat engine being just like u7
[07:56:14] <Kirben> I'm not sure what current goals are but will have more features
[07:56:51] <Zxcvb> Kirben: would that include a real ultima 7 combat engine?
[07:57:03] <Zxcvb> Kirben: and the option to have the avatar kill off enemies, instead of only knock them out?
[07:57:25] <Kirben> no idea
[07:57:51] <Zxcvb> Kirben: hopefully at least an option for the avatar to keep attacking an enemy that is unconcious
[07:58:08] <Zxcvb> it's very annoying when you are killing dragons
[07:58:12] <Kirben> I think most of original combat details are known now but on one has started adding that yet...
[07:58:34] <Zxcvb> Kirben: yeah, but what about letting the avatar actually kill enemies
[07:58:48] <Zxcvb> Kirben: instead of having to manually do it after the enemy is knocked out
[07:59:22] <Kirben> I don't know
[07:59:44] <Kirben> added it as bug/feature request if its not already listed.
[07:59:51] <Kirben> add it I mean
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[08:22:52] <wjp> hi
[08:23:15] <Darke> Hi!
[08:28:55] <wjp> pentagram cvs activity and exult 1.00... what is the world coming to? :-)
[08:29:31] * Darke sings, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine..."
[08:29:42] <Zxcvb> exult 1.00?
[08:29:43] <Zxcvb> where?
[08:29:50] <Zxcvb> and is it available on the Z yet?
[08:29:52] <wjp> um, oops :-)
[08:30:07] <wjp> exult 1.00 won't be available on the zaurus
[08:30:35] <wjp> it requires functionality that's only in the 1.1.x branch
[08:30:51] <Zxcvb> any idea when 1.1 will become stable?
[08:31:00] <wjp> no :-)
[08:31:13] <Zxcvb> or at least a stable zaurus version?
[08:31:20] <wjp> the current one isn't stable?
[08:31:30] <Zxcvb> such as backporting the Z functionality (and only that) to the 1.00 tree
[08:31:39] <Zxcvb> 1.1.x is a development version, right?
[08:31:44] <wjp> yeah
[08:31:45] <Zxcvb> i.e. unstable
[08:32:23] <wjp> being unstable doesn't mean it doesn't work, though
[08:33:24] <wjp> backporting the zaurus functionality to 1.0 wouldn't be worth the effort IMHO
[11:24:46] <Zxcvb> how well does the zaurus version work?
[11:24:53] <Zxcvb> and what is used for the mouse?
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[11:45:28] * Darke has no clue. He doesn't have a Zaurus. You'll want to ask artaxerxes when he's awake.
[11:51:18] <Zxcvb> how well would ultima 7 work at 240x320 resolution, anyway?
[11:52:04] <Darke> Considering that it originally worked at a 320x200 resolution, quite well once you turn the screen on it's side. *grin*
[11:53:02] <Zxcvb> Darke: hopefully it has builtin screen flipping
[11:53:42] * Darke shrugs. Presumably.
[11:53:43] <Zxcvb> though if the arrow pad is used for a "mouse", it would make it harder
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[11:54:10] <teuf> hi
[11:54:14] <Darke> Hi.
[11:54:56] <Zxcvb> hi
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[12:13:04] <Colourless> hi
[12:13:20] <Zxcvb> hi
[12:13:32] <Zxcvb> hi
[12:13:32] <Zxcvb> oops
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[12:35:23] <Darke> Hi
[12:35:45] <Colourless> hi
[12:48:39] <wjp> Zxcvb: yeah, screen is flipped. It uses the stylus as a mouse
[12:48:44] <wjp> hi Colourless, Kirben
[12:48:53] <Kirben> Hi
[13:13:36] * Darke summons a hoard of visious wildebeasts (all of them two inches tall!) to attack Colourless'... umm... ankles I suppose.
[13:13:49] <Colourless> arggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:14:57] * Darke blinkblinks and ponders. That worked better then he had hoped. Well... it would have if he could have guessed how well it would have worked, or what effect it might have had anyway. *wizenod*
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[14:38:31] <artaxerxes> hi all
[14:38:38] <Colourless> hi
[14:41:42] <Darke> Hi.
[14:56:28] * Darke yawns and wanders off to the big 'Z' in the sky. Night!
[14:56:38] <Colourless> cya
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[15:29:05] <wjp> Colourless: did you read the 'problem with scalers' thread on the forum
[15:29:25] <wjp> could that be caused by the update region being too small?
[15:29:33] <wjp> (we probably talked about this before)
[15:29:45] <Colourless> what that person is describing seems far worse
[15:30:02] <wjp> well, in the last post he is saying the effect is "_very_-little"
[15:30:16] <wjp> I thought it was something else originally too, but after his last post I don't know
[15:30:33] <Colourless> i haven't seen his last post
[15:31:41] <Colourless> well, i think he's got 2 problems
[15:31:48] <Colourless> one of them is driver related
[15:31:57] <Colourless> the other would be the too small region problem
[15:41:10] <Colourless> time for me to depart
[15:41:12] <Colourless> cya
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[16:41:09] <ZKS> ?seen wjp
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[17:49:35] <artaxerxes> wb
[17:53:27] <wjp> thx
[18:10:35] <artaxerxes> teuf: what's the url for your discussion forum again?
[18:12:36] <teuf> artaxerxes: the thread is there http://forum.jowood.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7780&highlight=ultima
[18:12:49] <teuf> they talk about bugs around page 25
[18:15:10] <artaxerxes> you didn't post the link to the patch, btw!
[18:15:41] <wjp> isn't that thread a bit long? :-)
[18:15:58] <artaxerxes> ;)
[18:16:18] <artaxerxes> and the content is similar to a IRC conversation! :)
[18:16:21] <teuf> wjp: oh, there is a longer one on this forum :)
[18:16:58] <artaxerxes> you guys should open a IRC chan for that kind of content and use the forum for more permanent, interesting replies... :)
[18:17:02] <teuf> artaxerxes: I haven't posted the link to the patch yet, since anyway I'll have to explain how to apply it, I'm waiting until the guy who found the bug manifests himself :)
[18:17:51] <teuf> artaxerxes: well, this forum will probably more or less die in a few months anyway
[18:18:31] <artaxerxes> btw, any connection between your nick and Titeuf ?
[18:19:00] <teuf> nope, nothing, my real name is christophe, and some of my friend started to call me teuf since christophe was too long :)
[18:19:10] <teuf> so I use that when I need a nick
[18:19:26] <artaxerxes> k
[18:20:26] <wjp> ugh, my french is really rusty
[18:20:39] * wjp is trying to decode the last post there
[18:20:53] <wjp> it sounds like it has something to do with that bug from yesterday
[18:21:40] <teuf> isn't is a post from me which says it has been fixed ?
[18:21:46] <wjp> yeah
[18:22:27] <teuf> yep, I said it wwould be fixed in today's snapshots
[18:22:28] <wjp> what's repomper?
[18:22:35] <teuf> download
[18:22:39] <wjp> funny word :-)
[18:23:04] <wjp> devrait.. hmm.. I should know that
[18:23:27] <wjp> ack... not having done any french for 6 years is beginning to leave its marks :-)
[18:23:35] <artaxerxes> <wjp> ugh, my french is really rusty
[18:23:43] <artaxerxes> you should see my Dutch@
[18:23:50] <teuf> devrait is more or less should
[18:23:58] * teuf knows 3 dutch words :)
[18:24:04] <artaxerxes> it's exactly "should"
[18:24:05] <artaxerxes> ;)
[18:24:16] <teuf> hoi goedenavond and goedenmorgen
[18:24:18] * wjp nods; that's what I would've guessed from the context
[18:24:40] <artaxerxes> repomper is exactly "copycating"
[18:25:07] <teuf> artaxerxes: I always have doubts about the exact translation of modal verbs
[18:25:14] <wjp> hm, sounds like you need a 'bye' in dutch too :-)
[18:25:30] <teuf> how do you say that ?
[18:25:30] <artaxerxes> I'm lived in English-speaking Canada for the last 3 years so I'm getting used to it! :)
[18:25:50] <wjp> 'tot ziens' (== 'see you later')
[18:25:52] <teuf> I should spend some time in an english speaking country, that would help :-/
[18:25:59] * teuf tries to remember that
[18:26:09] <teuf> tot ziens
[18:26:12] <artaxerxes> england's not far but the food stinks there. :)
[18:26:37] <wjp> "I've lived", btw ;-)
[18:26:40] <artaxerxes> Holland speaks a LOT of english also, right?
[18:26:51] <wjp> yeah, I guess
[18:27:12] <artaxerxes> true... my hand is other hand is holding a Krispy Kream doughnut so it's hard to type! :)
[18:27:24] <wjp> most people I know are quite fluent in english
[18:28:05] * artaxerxes just came back from St-Martin/St Maarten (french/dutch island) and I confirm
[18:28:29] <artaxerxes> Dutch ppl has a strong cultural identity but not through language
[18:28:55] <artaxerxes> ... which makes no sense for the French! :)
[18:29:39] <wjp> well, I guess it depends on the size of France and other french-speaking countries
[18:30:15] <wjp> there aren't all that many speaking dutch worldwide, so we kind of have to adapt :-)
[18:30:16] <artaxerxes> What's technically the diff between "Holland" and "the Netherlands" and is there a "Dutchland" or something like that?
[18:30:38] <wjp> holland is technically only two provinces of the netherlands
[18:30:59] <wjp> noord-holland & zuid-holland (i.e., north/south holland)
[18:31:17] <wjp> but it kind of became a name for all of the netherlands
[18:31:23] <artaxerxes> Are ppl from there upset if they get called Dutch or they don't generally care?
[18:31:25] <wjp> no such thing as dutchland
[18:31:30] <artaxerxes> :)
[18:31:39] <artaxerxes> Deutschland for Germany :)
[18:31:42] <wjp> :-)
[18:31:50] <wjp> there == in 'holland'?
[18:32:12] <wjp> holland really isn't seen as a separate part
[18:32:12] <artaxerxes> pardon me?
[18:32:23] <artaxerxes> yup
[18:32:24] <wjp> (from the "Are ppl from there upset if they get called...")
[18:32:34] <wjp> so, no, we're not :-)
[18:32:53] <wjp> in fact, I never even looked at it that way :-)
[18:33:04] <artaxerxes> I never knew the Netherlands were split in provinces.
[18:33:04] <wjp> (I live in zuid-holland myself, btw)
[18:33:13] <wjp> there's 12 of them
[18:33:18] <artaxerxes> SO MANY?!?
[18:33:30] <wjp> yeah, I wonder if it's to compensate for size :-)
[18:33:37] <artaxerxes> :)
[18:33:55] <artaxerxes> The french only have 22 regions and are quite bigger than the netherlands though
[18:34:11] <artaxerxes> mind you, the regions are big
[18:34:36] <wjp> Zuid Holland, Noord Holland, Zeeland, Noord Brabant, Overijssel, Limburg, Gelderland, Drente, Groningen, Friesland, Flevoland, Utrecht
[18:34:43] <wjp> whee, I actually remember all of them :-)
[18:34:53] <artaxerxes> does each province have its own government (federal) or is it more centralised, like France?
[18:35:24] <artaxerxes> I won't go through the 22 french ones, I tell you!
[18:35:38] <wjp> it's mostly centralized
[18:35:56] <artaxerxes> Amstersdam
[18:36:03] <wjp> Amsterdam
[18:36:19] <artaxerxes> sorry... KK's doughnut! :)
[18:36:22] <wjp> :-)
[18:36:56] <artaxerxes> the french are now heading toward decentralised government but still not like the federal model
[18:36:57] <teuf> artaxerxes: it is centralised for now, but our government wants to chagne that :)
[18:37:05] <artaxerxes> ;)
[18:37:39] <artaxerxes> I still follow the French news, TV5 and the like... After all I left France not so long ago
[18:37:43] <artaxerxes> ;)
[18:37:52] <wjp> our provinces do have some governmental responsibilities, but that's mostly in distributing funds to cities, and roads and other public services
[18:38:45] <wjp> I'm sure they do more, but I'm not that familiar with the details of dutch politics :-)
[18:39:15] <artaxerxes> and "dutch" is the adjective for "netherlands" or is there another one?
[18:39:30] <wjp> as far as I know that's the only english adjective
[18:39:38] <artaxerxes> here we use sometimes Dutch and sometimes Hollandese
[18:39:40] <wjp> I don't know why the english word is that weird
[18:39:55] <artaxerxes> what do you mean?
[18:39:57] <wjp> we just say "Nederlands"
[18:40:03] <wjp> (as the adjective)
[18:40:41] <artaxerxes> the similarities with Deutsch is probably not coincendal
[18:40:46] <artaxerxes> the similarities with Deutsch is probably not coincidendal
[18:40:53] <wjp> probably not, no :-)
[18:41:17] <wjp> may have been some silly englishman who confused holland with germany again :-)
[18:41:48] <artaxerxes> :)
[18:55:13] <artaxerxes> anyone has ICQ up nad running ?
[18:55:55] <artaxerxes> I'm looking for info on user 19464321 which could be an old university bud
[18:56:55] <artaxerxes> never mind... not him
[18:56:56] <teuf> can't you find the user info on icq website ? I have icq running
[18:57:01] * wjp wonders if licq still works
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[21:21:26] <artaxerxes> so quiet in here
[21:25:44] <wjp> yeah
[21:26:03] <artaxerxes> r u prep'ing 1.0 ?
[21:26:37] <wjp> not right now
[21:27:00] <wjp> just experimenting with make a bit
[21:27:06] <wjp> (for the pentagram build system)
[21:27:28] <artaxerxes> the amous OMIT_DEPENDENCIES stuff?
[21:27:35] <artaxerxes> s/amous/famous/
[21:27:57] <wjp> no, I just removed that from the Makefile.am it was in
[21:29:33] * artaxerxes is translating SI again...
[21:29:38] <artaxerxes> I've got to finish it soon
[21:29:42] <artaxerxes> been too long
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[21:30:06] <wjp> how many files left to do?
[21:30:28] <artaxerxes> ls -l *.data | wc -l
[21:30:28] <artaxerxes> 53
[21:31:33] <wjp> any big conversations left in there?
[21:32:30] <artaxerxes> most are big ones! :P
[21:32:38] <wjp> :-)
[21:33:30] <artaxerxes> 0404.uc.data 0417.uc.data 043C.uc.data 044C.uc.data 0496.uc.data
[21:33:31] <artaxerxes> 040D.uc.data 0418.uc.data 043D.uc.data 044D.uc.data 0498.uc.data
[21:33:31] <artaxerxes> 040E.uc.data 041B.uc.data 043E.uc.data 044E.uc.data 049B.uc.data
[21:33:31] <artaxerxes> 0412.uc.data 041C.uc.data 0440.uc.data 044F.uc.data 049C.uc.data
[21:33:31] <artaxerxes> 0413.uc.data 041D.uc.data 0441.uc.data 0492.uc.data 049F.uc.data
[21:33:31] <artaxerxes> 0414.uc.data 041E.uc.data 044A.uc.data 0494.uc.data
[21:33:33] <artaxerxes> 0416.uc.data 041F.uc.data 044B.uc.data 0495.uc.data
[21:33:40] <artaxerxes> that's the major ones that are left to do
[21:33:45] <wjp> hm, yes, that's in the conversation range
[21:33:51] <artaxerxes> the rest is pretty small
[21:34:09] <artaxerxes> I've done the whole 042* series
[21:34:18] <artaxerxes> and part of the 043*
[21:34:39] <artaxerxes> peak at 043A and die of horror when you see the size ! ;/
[21:35:18] <wjp> ack
[21:35:22] <wjp> the bard at the inn?
[21:35:29] <artaxerxes> nope... the drunk pirate!
[21:35:47] <artaxerxes> Who would have known he talked so much!
[21:35:50] <wjp> drunk pirate?
[21:35:55] <wjp> hm, I must've avoided him :-)
[21:36:00] <artaxerxes> See what a couple beer does to you! :)
[21:36:44] <artaxerxes> The best part is during the trail.... he sings a song that Dupre supposedly taught him! Hiralious!
[21:36:52] <artaxerxes> s/trail/trial/
[21:37:38] <artaxerxes> 0638.uc@L231B
[21:38:01] <artaxerxes> 07FC.uc@L22AC
[21:38:46] <artaxerxes> L2268: db '~~ ~~ ~~DRINKING SONGS DUPRE TAUGHT ME~~ ~~Volume Two*'
[21:38:47] <artaxerxes> L229E: db 00
[21:38:47] <artaxerxes> L229F: db 'ROLL THY LEG OVER'
[21:38:47] <artaxerxes> L22B0: db 00
[21:38:47] <artaxerxes> L22B1: db ' '
[21:38:47] <artaxerxes> L22B2: db 00
[21:38:49] <artaxerxes> L22B3: db 'If all the young ladies were little white rabbits,'
[21:38:51] <artaxerxes> L22E5: db 00
[21:38:53] <artaxerxes> L22E6: db 'I'd be a hare, and teach them bad habits!'
[21:38:55] <artaxerxes> L
[21:39:10] <artaxerxes> L2312: db 'Refrain:'
[21:39:10] <artaxerxes> L231A: db 00
[21:39:10] <artaxerxes> L231B: db 'Roll thy leg over,'
[21:39:10] <artaxerxes> L232D: db 00
[21:39:11] <artaxerxes> L232E: db 'roll thy leg over,'
[21:39:13] <artaxerxes> L2340: db 00
[21:39:15] <artaxerxes> L2341: db 'Roll thy leg over'
[21:39:17] <artaxerxes> L2352: db 00
[21:39:19] <artaxerxes> L2353: db 'the man in the moon.'
[21:39:21] <artaxerxes> L2367: db 00
[21:39:23] <artaxerxes> L2368: db ' '
[21:39:25] <artaxerxes> L2369: db 00
[21:39:27] <artaxerxes> L236A: db 'If all the young ladies were bricks in a pile,'
[21:39:29] <artaxerxes> L2398: db 00
[21:39:31] <artaxerxes> L2399: db 'I'd be a mason and lay them in style!'
[21:39:33] <artaxerxes> L23BE: db 00
[21:39:41] <artaxerxes> L23C1: db 'If all the young ladies were cocks in the hay,'
[21:39:43] <artaxerxes> L23EF: db 00
[21:39:45] <artaxerxes> L23F0: db 'I'd be a hen, and I'd have a good lay.'
[21:39:47] <artaxerxes> L24
[21:39:49] <artaxerxes> L2419: db 'If all the young ladies were bats in a steeple,'
[21:39:51] <artaxerxes> L2448: db 00
[21:39:53] <artaxerxes> L2449: db 'and I were a bat, there'd be more bats than people.'
[21:39:55] <artaxerxes> L
[21:40:03] <artaxerxes> L247F: db 'If all the young ladies were bells in a tower,'
[21:40:05] <artaxerxes> L24AD: db 00
[21:40:07] <artaxerxes> L24AE: db 'and I were a clapper, I'd ring every hour!'
[21:40:09] <artaxerxes> L24DB: db 'If all the young ladies were doors of stout wood,'
[21:40:11] <artaxerxes> L250C: db 00
[21:40:13] <artaxerxes> L250D: db 'and I were a knocker, I'd bang them up good!'
[21:40:15] <artaxerxes> L2539: db 00
[21:40:17] <artaxerxes> L253A: db 'If all the young ladies were stones in a mill,'
[21:40:19] <artaxerxes> L2568: db 00
[21:40:21] <artaxerxes> L2569: db 'and I were some grain between them, I'd spill...'
[21:40:23] <artaxerxes> L2599: db 00
[21:40:25] <artaxerxes> L
[21:40:27] <artaxerxes> L259C: db 'If all the young ladies were coconuts sweet,'
[21:40:29] <artaxerxes> L25C8: db 00
[21:40:31] <artaxerxes> L25C9: db 'I'd suck out their juices and chew on their meat.'
[21:40:33] <artaxerxes> L25FD: db 'If all the young ladies were birds in their nests,'
[21:40:35] <artaxerxes> L262F: db 00
[21:40:37] <artaxerxes> L2630: db 'I'd be an egg and lie under their breasts.'
[21:40:45] <artaxerxes> :)
[21:41:53] <wjp> heh :-)
[21:46:14] <artaxerxes> is "[" a character understood in the exult text rendering engine?
[21:46:46] <wjp> I think if it's in the font it should work
[21:46:53] <artaxerxes> 086F.uc@L02DD
[21:47:07] <artaxerxes> take a look... this shouldn't be there
[21:47:51] <artaxerxes> L02DD: db '"["Oh, we sell pes that the blacksmith automaton makes. T'
[21:47:51] <artaxerxes> db 'hey are very durable blades..." *"For '
[21:48:04] <artaxerxes> s/pes/swords/
[21:49:08] <wjp> uh, why is my emacs in japanese mode?
[21:49:42] <artaxerxes> edited a japanese doc recently? :P
[21:49:47] <wjp> not AFAIK
[21:49:51] <artaxerxes> LOL
[21:49:55] <wjp> it even says 'kana' in japanese in the title bar :-)
[21:49:58] <wjp> how cute
[21:50:24] <artaxerxes> time to freshen up your japanese I guess!
[21:50:42] <wjp> actually I was just practicing some kana earlier :-)
[21:51:02] <artaxerxes> that's one new module for Emacs... it detects the last time you used your japanese and if it's too long, it automagically reconfigures some defaults! :)
[21:51:27] <wjp> I think it's more likely I pressed the wrong key combo :-)
[21:51:56] <wjp> I mapped C-X C-J to 'jump to usecode function #', and probably mistyped it
[21:52:08] <artaxerxes> sounds more reasonable... too bad... I need to freshen up my Tamoul... :)
[21:52:57] <wjp> ah, yes, C-x j does something with japanese
[21:53:03] <artaxerxes> what's c-x c-j does ?
[21:53:15] <wjp> a small elisp function I wrote myself
[21:53:24] <wjp> it asks for a usecode function number and jumps to that function
[21:53:28] <artaxerxes> nice
[21:53:38] <wjp> only works if you have all functions in a single file
[21:53:43] <artaxerxes> I see
[21:53:59] <wjp> it just searches for the string '.funcnumber\t<number>H'
[21:54:38] <wjp> but that "["Oh, ... line does look kind of weird
[21:54:51] <wjp> let's see what me make of it
[21:56:32] <wjp> hm, who has that conversation?
[21:56:48] <artaxerxes> looks like Ducio or the kid
[21:57:06] <artaxerxes> in Moonshade
[21:57:20] <wjp> doesn't sound like Ducio
[21:57:22] <artaxerxes> (the craftmen)
[21:57:29] <wjp> maybe his apprentice
[21:57:40] <artaxerxes> that's what I meant with "the kid"
[21:57:46] <artaxerxes> ;)
[21:58:09] <wjp> hm, we don't display the [
[21:58:32] <artaxerxes> bug warning?
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[21:58:52] <artaxerxes> I wonder what the original produces at this s[pot
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[21:58:56] <Fingolfin> yo
[21:58:58] <wjp> hi Max
[21:58:59] <artaxerxes> hey
[21:59:49] * Fingolfin has to brag a bit: https://sourceforge.net/pom_1102.php
[22:00:00] * artaxerxes cannot run u7 under windows NT so he cannot try
[22:00:36] <wjp> Fingolfin: congrats :-)
[22:00:52] <Fingolfin> hehe thx
[22:01:02] <artaxerxes> bravo
[22:01:20] <Fingolfin> wjp, your suggestions worked great, put them into scummvm. dunno why I didn't see them in the past?!?! oh well
[22:01:40] <artaxerxes> I was just reading about Fink a bit earlier thanks to Moshe Bar's "Comparing Apples to Pinguins" article
[22:01:58] <artaxerxes> (I love that article's title btw)
[22:02:30] <wjp> Fingolfin: you're not the only one who missed them back then :-)
[22:02:37] <artaxerxes> This developer is a member of the following groups:
[22:02:37] <artaxerxes>
[22:02:37] <artaxerxes> HexEdit (hexedit)
[22:02:37] <artaxerxes> Chromium B.S.U. (chromium-bsu)
[22:02:37] <artaxerxes> MacJLib (macjlib)
[22:02:38] <artaxerxes> Jabbernaut (jabbernaut)
[22:02:40] <artaxerxes> JabberFoX (jabberfox)
[22:02:41] * wjp didn't see them either, apparently
[22:02:42] <artaxerxes> Fink (fink)
[22:02:44] <artaxerxes> Exult (exult)
[22:02:46] <artaxerxes> GTK+ Quartz (gtk-quartz)
[22:02:48] <artaxerxes> Mac OS X Land (mosxland)
[22:02:50] <artaxerxes> Mac GNU Privacy Guard (macgpg)
[22:02:52] <artaxerxes> Marble Horse Free Software Group (marblehorse)
[22:02:54] <artaxerxes> ScummVM (scummvm)
[22:02:56] <artaxerxes> Apple OS X libOSS (liboss)
[22:02:58] <artaxerxes> SourceForge.net Site Documentation (sitedocs)
[22:03:00] <artaxerxes> Pentagram (pentagram)
[22:03:02] <artaxerxes> Daemonic (daemonic)
[22:03:04] <artaxerxes> wooa
[22:03:07] <wjp> lol
[22:03:08] <Fingolfin> hehe
[22:03:20] <wjp> keeping busy I see :-)
[22:03:26] * wjp will bbl
[22:03:41] <Fingolfin> I am not active in all of them, but I did work on each of them at some point
[22:04:03] <artaxerxes> ChromiunBSU is a nice game but for some reason I thought the licence changed and it was not OpenSource anymore.
[22:06:35] <-- teuf has left IRC (Remote closed the connection)
[22:39:00] <wjp> b
[22:42:51] <Fingolfin> re
[22:48:39] <wjp> Fingolfin: what would you prefer wrt to setting LPATH in the module.mk files:
[22:48:48] <wjp> keeping it as it is now,
[22:49:09] <wjp> moving module.mk to module.mk.in and having bootstrap or configure set the right LPATH,
[22:49:20] <wjp> or use a dirty make hack to set the right LPATH?
[22:53:59] <Fingolfin> hem
[22:54:31] <Fingolfin> in fact, if there was any way, I'd love to get rid of configure / autoconf / automake runs completly... it's just so annoying to have to run a long configure script for small changes
[22:54:53] <Fingolfin> thus I don't like any of the solutions =) a pity make is so limited in some regards
[22:55:40] <wjp> yeah
[22:56:16] <wjp> it might be possible to extend it quite a bit with the proper use of $(shell ..) commands, though
[22:56:34] <wjp> but it hardly has any control structures
[23:53:46] <artaxerxes> have a good we guys
[23:53:55] --- artaxerxes is now known as artaxerxes|zombi
[23:56:05] <wjp> bye