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[05:04:05] <servus> There, responded.
[05:43:42] <Baastuul> SERVUS
[05:43:45] <Baastuul> R U THR MAN
[05:43:48] <Baastuul> I WANNA TALK 2 U
[05:47:27] <servus> l1k i was lsn 2 britnee but u so fly talk 2 me
[05:51:14] <Baastuul> Can you accept .doc files, servus?
[05:52:03] <servus> I did
[05:53:05] <Baastuul> Hmm.
[05:53:09] <Baastuul> I'll put it in a zip.
[05:55:17] <servus> Am I supposed to be performing some sort of grammatical critique?
[05:56:54] <Baastuul> No, enjoy the story!
[05:57:06] <SB-X> what kind of story?
[05:57:23] <Baastuul> I wrote it!
[05:58:33] <SB-X> i know that's why im asking
[05:58:38] <SB-X> is it good or wierd
[05:58:44] <servus> It sure does go off on its tangents ;p
[05:59:29] <Baastuul> Yap!
[05:59:33] <Baastuul> It is weird.
[05:59:55] <servus> I knew it was going to turn to flatulence eventually.
[06:00:58] <servus> "His attachment to the wall was reminiscent of the dogged determination of a tapeworm hooking its scolex's bothria to the linings of intestines in order to feed itself upon the vital nutrients of the host."
[06:01:02] <servus> WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
[06:01:40] * servus gasples!
[06:02:40] <Baastuul> Much.
[06:05:58] <servus> I feel prickly all over.
[06:11:31] <Baastuul> Does that mean you've been creeped out?
[06:12:12] <servus> No, just bored.
[06:12:32] <servus> I think you can do better, if you don't try to act so silly. And for God's sake, keep away from the thesaurus!
[06:15:59] <Baastuul> :(
[06:16:20] <Baastuul> But many of those words weren't taken from the thesaurus. :(
[06:16:48] <Baastuul> Where are some silly parts that you feel the story can make do without? Because I most likely share your opinion!
[06:17:04] <servus> How about the part about Guybrush Threepwood?
[06:17:11] <servus> Was the protagonist dreaming?
[06:17:43] <servus> The similes and metaphors go so far overboard that the plot is entirely lost. I don't know what happened, and I felt my eyes wandering around. Big paragraphs full of adjectives are hard to read
[06:18:00] <Baastuul> Heh, it's funny, I initially took the part about Guybrush Threepwood out because the references were too obscure.
[06:18:08] <Baastuul> I was told by one guy to take them out
[06:18:12] <Baastuul> But another told me to leave them in
[06:18:22] <Baastuul> So now it looks like it's 2 against 1!
[06:19:21] <Baastuul> I'm glad I'm finally getting some good criticism beyond "it's strange" and "you're weird"
[06:19:30] <Baastuul> It is appreciated!
[06:19:54] <Baastuul> Oh, the story was based off of a dream
[06:19:58] <servus> Well I can give real criticism if you like. No Finding Forrester stuff, and nothing about soup or socks, but... Yeah!
[06:19:59] <Baastuul> The "plot" anyway
[06:20:16] <Baastuul> But many details added in as filler
[06:20:54] <Baastuul> Anything else you think I should do?
[06:21:56] <servus> Well, you can keep it as bizarre as it is, if you very clearly segment the plot from the bizarre. Think Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas
[06:22:38] <servus> If you read some Maya Angelo, you'll notice how she works non sequiturs into her writing, without making it distracting.
[06:23:44] <servus> Just my 2 blackrock pieces.
[06:23:57] <Baastuul> Any strong points?
[06:25:38] <servus> I like the theme of disappearing strangers, transient souls, and serendipitious fortune.
[06:26:22] <Baastuul> k!
[06:26:32] <Baastuul> I'm struggling with the plot, or at least making clear what it is.
[06:26:42] <Baastuul> Basically, you're drawn to think the story is about discovering who the Soviet spy is.
[06:26:50] <servus> I like the first paragraph best, fith paragraph least.
[06:26:59] <Baastuul> However, you tend to think the narrator is the spy because he's trying to escape.
[06:27:16] <servus> No, I didn't get that impression
[06:27:20] <Baastuul> But when he discovers that his pappy is the spy, his intentions are to still escape, with or without his pappy.
[06:27:33] <Baastuul> Well, rather, I meant to say that that is my intent, but it doesn't come across so clearly.
[06:27:40] <Baastuul> But the real plot is that he wants to wash the dog.
[06:27:47] <Baastuul> fith = fifth
[06:27:48] <Baastuul> ?
[06:28:05] <servus> Great Frith!
[06:28:19] <Baastuul> So there are three main plots
[06:28:26] <servus> I like the dog. You could have displayed more emotion when talking about him
[06:28:29] <Baastuul> 1) Discovering the Soviet spy's identity
[06:28:34] <Baastuul> 2) Escaping the church
[06:28:38] <Baastuul> 3) Capturing the dog to give it a wash
[06:28:49] <servus> This sounds like a Monkey Island
[06:29:58] <Baastuul> The paragraph you dislike the most is the one that starts out with "The church members dissipated throughout the building."?
[06:32:01] <servus> Yes. The flatulence bit just felt like you were reaching way too far.
[06:32:28] <Baastuul> Well, the intent wasn't so much to get a cheap laugh at "oooh farrrttss loolll"
[06:32:37] <Baastuul> But that's what came to mind as to how they spread throughout the church
[06:32:47] <Baastuul> But I will remove it, the story can make do without 'vulgar' humor
[06:33:01] <Baastuul> I'll use a different simile
[06:33:13] <Baastuul> Was there anything else in that paragraph that you thought I needed to rework?
[06:33:53] <servus> Instead of using adjectives, try using direct comparisons more
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[06:50:07] <Baastuul> Thanks for the input, servus, 'twas much appreciated.
[06:58:32] <servus> Silence, unwashed dog.
[06:59:05] <Baastuul> Faceless unwashed dog.
[06:59:09] <Sevalecan> >:|
[07:05:10] <Baastuul> >:O
[07:05:31] <Sevalecan> Name.
[07:06:06] <Baastuul> Job.
[07:06:31] <Sevalecan> Iolo.
[07:06:50] <servus> Health
[07:08:30] <Baastuul> :o
[07:08:47] <Baastuul> Servus, was the tapeworm description that you pasted earlier a good or a bad thing?
[07:13:27] <SB-X> Is std::vector<t> supposed to have push_front(t)?
[07:13:34] <Baastuul> std :o
[07:15:43] <SB-X> This compile error I'm getting (my own code, not Exult) doesn't make any sense to me.
[07:20:39] <servus> The tapeworms were pretty gross.
[07:21:01] <servus> Vectors have push_back, not push_front
[07:21:34] <SB-X> ah
[07:22:03] <SB-X> yes it compiles now, thanks!
[07:22:26] <SB-X> it's odd that if vector type was an integer it compiled on GCC
[07:23:43] <servus> If you want to push to the front, try myvector.insert( myvector.empty() ? myvector.end(), myvector.at( 0 ), myval );
[07:23:55] <servus> not very elegant. Use a different container type if you need that behaviour.
[07:24:32] <servus> myvector.insert( myvector.empty() ? myvector.end() : myvector.at( 0 ), myval );, rather.
[07:25:27] <SB-X> Good. It turns out I wanted push_back() anyway, so all I was just wasting time trying to get it to compile with push_front().
[07:25:31] <servus> myvector.insert( myvector.empty() ? myvector.end() : myvector.front(), myval );, rather. Aghhh! Use a different friggin' type :)
[07:25:32] <SB-X> -all
[07:26:20] <SB-X> Doesn't myvector.begin() == myvector.at(0)?
[07:27:50] <servus> begin() returns an iterator, at() returns TYPE&. I should think before I type :)
[07:28:43] <SB-X> Ok.
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[13:54:57] <cedric> hi all
[13:55:48] <cedric> anyone cross compile the latest CVS version with OE?
[14:33:59] <SB-X> hi
[14:35:02] <Flooder> hi
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