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[01:36:14] <Getty> lol spark is my first level 8 character 8-)
[01:42:55] <eviltar> sometimes spark does alright
[01:43:52] <eviltar> sometimes he gets poisoned and dies on the way to Britian
[01:45:42] <Getty> hehe
[01:45:50] <Getty> i'm near my second chest
[01:45:57] <Getty> and i think its not that impossible with the dragons
[01:46:02] <Getty> just need some commitment
[01:46:09] <Getty> its going very fast now on the eeepc
[01:46:12] <Getty> randomness to the win!
[01:46:14] <eviltar> i'll tell you what
[01:46:22] <eviltar> if you need a good castle to store it all in
[01:46:41] <Getty> kill british? lol
[01:46:43] <Getty> i like his castle
[01:46:44] <eviltar> wait for LB to come out n look at the fountain
[01:46:51] <Getty> LB?
[01:46:54] <eviltar> and click the plaque
[01:46:57] <eviltar> above his head
[01:47:06] <eviltar> Lord Brittish yes
[01:47:26] <Getty> i dont wanna kill british... not really ;)
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[03:37:08] <Getty> eviltar: you know that episode of bugs bunny and daffy duck where they found the huge treasure in the desert cave? with the lamp djini?
[03:38:32] <eviltar> mMmm barely
[03:38:55] <eviltar> sonds vaguely familiar
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[03:59:02] <Getty> tststs.....
[04:05:55] <eviltar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0vd4askdXk
[04:06:00] <eviltar> ?
[04:07:40] <eviltar> or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agLwIxiEk_c
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[05:55:02] <eviltar> you guys should edit the history page haha
[05:58:33] <eviltar> how do you get here? http://exult.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/uccshot2.png
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[11:47:33] <Getty> i am not allowed to see usecode
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[15:50:51] <eviltar> Getty seeing usecode is no fun
[15:51:18] <Getty> why you think so?
[15:52:27] <eviltar> http://i54.tinypic.com/ngc2w.jpg
[15:52:44] <Getty> LOL
[15:53:57] <eviltar> i almost wish i'd have made an animated gif, jsut so you could see the chest cycle colors
[15:54:15] <Getty> yeah can imagine it :)
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[15:54:30] <Getty> but i must say would be more cool if the numbers would be switching like in matrix
[15:54:31] <Getty> you know? ;)
[15:54:37] <eviltar> lol
[15:54:54] <eviltar> it would be funnier if i could make it stop happening
[15:56:18] <Getty> whats the problem on it?
[15:57:29] <eviltar> em, nothing if you want to play serpent isle with no clothes and a usecode container and a backpack to fight with
[15:57:57] <Getty> mh see
[15:57:59] <Getty> no problem
[15:58:04] <Getty> pussy....
[15:59:20] <eviltar> lol, is this you? -"I saw a book entitled "Die GNU Autotools" and I thought "My feelings exactly"."
[15:59:45] <Getty> lol no :) that was mst
[15:59:54] <Getty> as far as i remember
[16:03:40] <Dominus> eviltar, that picture you posted earlier is from "Sourceforge Island"
[16:03:55] <eviltar> man how do i get there?
[16:04:08] <Dominus> a patch Dr.Code and I made ages ago and Marzo kept in working hour :)
[16:04:15] <Dominus> hour=shape
[16:04:21] <eviltar> nice
[16:04:38] <Dominus> you need to "compile" the patch, it's in the content part of our sources
[16:05:16] <Dominus> though the teleporter mentioned there vanished...
[16:05:26] <eviltar> if it weren't for the whole, preserving the original game thing, it would be cool to find that in-game
[16:06:23] <eviltar> I'll look for it, thanks :D
[16:06:47] <Dominus> did you get svn to work for xbox, yet?
[16:06:58] <eviltar> i did start to merge
[16:07:08] <eviltar> starting with the ppc sound fix
[16:08:00] <eviltar> hit build before i passed out last night, woke up to this guy -> Audio.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "int const * const bgconv" (?bgconv@@3QBHB)
[16:09:50] <Dominus> maybe instead of merging "upport" your changes to the no_SDLbranch to current SVN
[16:10:16] <eviltar> that woudl make tooo much sense
[16:10:28] <Dominus> :)
[16:10:34] <eviltar> tbh, i've not any experience with making patch's
[16:10:49] <eviltar> i use winmerge and sew things together by hand
[16:10:58] <Dominus> because I'm not sure if merging the already merged branch into trunk makes sense
[16:11:44] <eviltar> lol well.. the whole process has been like that
[16:12:20] <Dominus> making a patch is easy: svn diff > pathtofilename
[16:12:39] <eviltar> i merged that 1.405 branch with 1.2 for the gp2x
[16:12:55] <eviltar> from there it was back n forth a bit to get somethign that built
[16:12:58] <Dominus> it seems you are doing strange things
[16:13:09] <eviltar> :)
[16:13:25] <eviltar> i wasnt sure where to start with mapping a game controller
[16:13:35] <eviltar> is where the gp2x port came into play
[16:14:59] <eviltar> winmerge is easy tho
[16:15:25] <eviltar> it doesnt bother you with everythign that's the same, jsut shows you the 'diff' visually
[16:15:55] <eviltar> so i keep a clean copy of the branch i started from
[16:16:56] <eviltar> it might not be standard practice, but it helps a newb like myself
[16:17:39] <eviltar> i saved a pic for you and malignant Dominus :D
[16:18:22] <eviltar> http://i55.tinypic.com/wbx56r.jpg
[16:18:58] <eviltar> are Mac's so stable?
[16:20:54] <Dominus> I've used Windows for years and swtched 1 1/" years ago to mac,,,
[16:21:16] <Dominus> I hate when I have to use a Windows computer now :)
[16:21:36] <eviltar> have you tried with 7?
[16:21:54] <Dominus> I do keep virtual machines with some Windows flavor around for testing but I don't use them for anything else
[16:22:19] <Dominus> yes, W7 was out for about half year or so when I switched
[16:22:40] <eviltar> i was thinking about getting pearPC for osx apps on my windows box
[16:22:44] <Dominus> and I've used it from the time it came out until I switched
[16:23:28] <Dominus> pearpc, do you mean the emulator or the computer firm that tried to sell PCs with OS X on it?
[16:23:32] <eviltar> I wasn't sure about 7, until I started using media center, and the VM's built into it
[16:23:45] <eviltar> ^^ the emulator
[16:23:55] <Dominus> forget the emulator
[16:24:19] <Dominus> I've used it but it's only for the PPC version of Tiger
[16:24:22] <eviltar> idk it might be pretty cool, latest rev can emulate a g4 with dynarec
[16:24:31] <Dominus> better use VMWare
[16:24:56] <eviltar> doesnt that cost $$
[16:25:32] <Dominus> not to mention that PearPC' development stopped years ago and has no sound support
[16:25:37] <eviltar> the other wildy insane thougth i had was port PearPC to the 360
[16:25:46] <Dominus> well, VMWare costs, a copy of OS X costs...
[16:26:25] <Dominus> you can do that (port to xbox) but IMO it would be nothing more than a proof of concept...
[16:26:27] <eviltar> idk if MS would be happy if i made osx run on their console tho
[16:27:21] <Dominus> and from what I understand you'd make a double circle, running an emulator that is designed to run a PPC OS on an intel machine in a PPC similar machine...
[16:27:29] <eviltar> well
[16:27:37] <eviltar> Dynarec helps
[16:27:50] <eviltar> and PearPC is bigengian ready
[16:28:07] <eviltar> i looked into it a bit
[16:28:43] <Dominus> still I'd rather go for a VMWare approach, or maybe virtualbox will run OS X too. I'm sure there are ready made VMs for OS X for either VMWAre or Virtualbox
[16:28:59] <Dominus> and for VMWare I think there still exiss the free VMPlayer
[16:29:15] <eviltar> I'll look into it
[16:29:27] <eviltar> windows 7 has free built in VM support
[16:29:36] <eviltar> that works nicely
[16:29:53] <eviltar> idk if it will do ppc tho
[16:31:10] <Dominus> doesn't that only run XP?
[16:31:16] <eviltar> noooo
[16:31:51] <eviltar> it can run whatever you can install on a vhd, afaik
[16:32:04] <eviltar> i have a linux vm running dd-wrt
[16:32:06] <Dominus> ok, makes sense
[16:32:35] <eviltar> 2 seperate xp installs, and soon a gentoo
[16:33:42] <eviltar> they hooked me deep with their media center
[16:34:35] <eviltar> can run media to the telly, use a remote to watch movies, play music, (redundant) watch tv via the tuner card
[16:35:02] <eviltar> and still use the pc for work while the gf/kid stay entertained
[16:37:07] <Dominus> no use for me :)
[16:37:44] <eviltar> Mac's fit some people nicely
[16:38:16] <eviltar> my brother-in-law uses one for music, he says garage band is one of the most usable apps he's found
[16:38:25] <eviltar> for making music
[16:39:31] <Dominus> in the case of media center it doesn't fit me regardless of windows or PC
[16:40:15] <Dominus> I don't like my machine staying on all the time and since I live in a house the stuff is also too far away
[16:41:29] <eviltar> ditto
[16:41:39] <eviltar> i had to buy a longer hdmi cable
[16:42:10] <eviltar> the remote sensor has a very long cable already
[16:42:48] <Dominus> the PC room is on another floor and on the other side of the house...
[16:43:03] <eviltar> ahh
[16:43:22] <eviltar> i planed my layout on the fact i wanted them all connected
[16:43:52] <eviltar> the office and family rooms are adjacent
[16:44:04] <Dominus> in my case no amount of planning could have helped :)
[16:47:49] <eviltar> i wish Richard Garriot could have kept the Ultima IP
[16:48:28] <eviltar> and wanted to re-do U9
[16:50:19] <Dominus> not so sure about that... IMO I'm glad Ultima is over. The best and worst has been done to it, let it RIP. Better to stop than to make it irrelevant (like Might & Magic part X-XX or so...
[16:50:43] <eviltar> lol, yeah
[16:50:53] <eviltar> but, as gaming platforms improve
[16:51:24] <eviltar> it gets harder to share the joy of it with people who are used to 1080p resolutions
[16:51:42] <eviltar> nothing wrong with a good re-make
[16:53:58] <eviltar> but i do agree on the point that Ultima XXVI woudl probably be a nightmare
[16:54:29] <Dominus> remakes are for fans to do, I'd be really disappointed if LB would do a remake
[16:55:42] <eviltar> :) i respectfully dissagree, if he started at 3 and worked up, i'd be extatic.. but it probably wouldnt be the best business move, unless they did to it, what bethesda had to do to fallout
[16:57:18] <eviltar> I'd be happy with a fan-remake
[16:57:33] <eviltar> as long as I didn't have to do it all myself
[16:59:46] <Dominus> I haven't even touched Lazarus, so I'm probably not one for remakes
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[17:01:06] <eviltar> the ultima 1 remake was looking really nice, before it dissapeared
[17:11:07] <eviltar> so should i grab the latest? 6764? or is there a specific revision i should look at using?
[17:12:23] <Dominus> just grab latest trunk, would be best imo. you also get the benefit of Colourless' video mode changes and Malignant's latest addition to it
[17:19:00] <eviltar> well, here goes
[18:14:02] <Dominus> Malignant_Manor: when you have time can you look at that patch for Dosbox?https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3161987&group_id=52551&atid=467234
[18:15:21] <Dominus> it allows loading of a soundfont when you use CoreAudio as a mididevice, if we adapt that and use <config><audio><midi><coreaudio_soundfont> to give the location of the sound font this would be great
[18:15:52] <Malignant_Manor> I'm not sure how their core audio compares to ours.
[18:16:11] <Malignant_Manor> If it is not extremely similar, I really can't do anything.
[18:18:09] <Dominus> yeah... not extremely similar
[18:18:38] <Dominus> it's still using some deprecated things that might go boom in dosbox face at some time...
[18:18:57] <Malignant_Manor> there is no RequireNoErr in audio folder
[18:20:41] <Dominus> augraph is the depreceated thing :(
[18:22:42] <Dominus> but the patcher might be interested in porting that to Exult himself. He's the one who recently submitted the patches for clang
[18:24:02] <Malignant_Manor> It seems like he was probably a first time Exult user.
[18:26:30] <Dominus> yes but I might have lured him in... he also wrote patch for Dosbox' mt32 buffer overflow problem and he wrote that he might be looking to at least confirm the exult problem
[18:47:55] <Malignant_Manor> What's a concise description for having the same video settings for window and fullscreen?
[18:48:09] <Malignant_Manor> Share video settings or something?
[18:48:36] <Malignant_Manor> share settings between fullscreen and window (I'm not sure how well it will fit)
[18:53:57] <eviltar> conformity?
[18:54:30] <Malignant_Manor> It needs to be something people can understand right away.
[18:54:45] <Malignant_Manor> I only really have room for something like share settings
[18:55:03] <eviltar> lock fullscreen/windowed settings?
[18:55:09] <Malignant_Manor> but it isn't too clear of a definition
[18:55:30] <eviltar> bind
[18:55:32] <eviltar> idk
[18:57:52] <eviltar> where would this setting be?
[18:58:07] <Dominus> in the graphics gump
[18:58:12] <eviltar> in the windowed or fullscreen option gump?
[18:58:29] <Dominus> http://exult.sourceforge.net/images/docs03.png
[18:58:39] <Dominus> the gump is actually the same
[18:58:50] <Dominus> only the function changes when being in either mode
[18:59:00] <Dominus> in laymans term
[18:59:37] <eviltar> it has seperate settings for the two modes tho?
[19:00:18] <eviltar> i did not know that
[19:00:28] <Dominus> in really current SVN
[19:00:44] <Dominus> just a couple of days old :)
[19:01:12] <eviltar> maybe default it to copy the settings from teh other if they arent present
[19:01:18] <eviltar> instead of an option
[19:01:30] <eviltar> then let it be saved seperately
[19:01:38] <eviltar> for any changes
[19:02:20] <Dominus> the point is that I like the old behavior where it's one setting and not different settings that get out of sync when you change the settings in either mode
[19:02:57] <Dominus> and I think I'm not the only one who likes the old behavior.
[19:03:10] <eviltar> i didnt have a problem with it
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[19:04:13] <Dominus> the new way is nice for people who have monitors that really only look good when they run in their native resolution
[19:04:26] <eviltar> video settings: save seperate/save paired
[19:05:13] <eviltar> if there is room for that
[19:05:27] <Dominus> needs some way to describe what is saved differently. people need to know that it is about fullscreen/windowed mode
[19:05:36] <Dominus> I'm not sure of a good wording either
[19:07:00] <eviltar> video settings*: save seperate/save paired
[19:07:00] <eviltar> *settings for fullscreen or windowed mode
[19:07:00] <eviltar> can now be saved seperately
[19:07:48] <eviltar> there might just have to be an annotation to explain it, if no-one gets a stroke of genious
[19:08:25] <eviltar> or maybe just two resolution pickers
[19:08:48] <eviltar> Window Size:
[19:08:48] <eviltar> Fullscreen Size:
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[19:09:12] <eviltar> with a little lock icon that force-matches them
[19:09:40] <eviltar> like in photoshop/any program you can lock settings in
[19:09:46] <Dominus> the two resolution pickers doesn't hit it since it isn't only the resolution but also the other settings
[19:10:20] <Malignant_Manor> Video settings are much more complicated than scale and scaler now
[19:10:53] <eviltar> yeah, so maybe a toggle, with an annotation to explain the new setting?
[19:11:47] <Malignant_Manor> Does the font have an "&" symbol?
[19:12:21] <Malignant_Manor> Looks like it
[19:12:39] <Malignant_Manor> same setting for window & fullscreen will probably be it
[19:13:07] <Malignant_Manor> Same settings for window & fullscreen
[19:13:49] <eviltar> how is that going to behave if you turn it on after you have different settings for both modes
[19:14:15] <Malignant_Manor> It will use fullscreen settings like it was before.
[19:14:40] <eviltar> cool
[19:14:51] <eviltar> just curious
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[22:34:39] <Getty> i get crazy
[22:34:47] <Getty> i dont get much XP on my avatar
[22:34:55] <Getty> cause the team is always harvesting better
[22:35:13] <Getty> and in most cases i need to cast spells in the fight also no XP
[22:35:16] <Getty> hmpf
[22:36:40] <Getty> i need something else, something in masses
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