#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 20 Jun 2012 (GMT)

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[11:53:24] <Marzo> Well, it seems that Glade editor finally dropped support entirely for libglade and accepts only gtkbuilder format now
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[12:03:14] <Dominus> Marzo :that sounds weird :)
[12:03:37] <Marzo> It does, yeah
[12:04:08] <Marzo> But in practice, it means that I can't open exult_studio.glade unless I use an older version of Glade
[12:05:06] <Marzo> It would be a good time to decide whether Win9x support is still wanted for ES or not, as it is the main reason why we haven't updated to GtkBuilder yet anyway
[12:05:21] <Dominus> I was about to write that :)
[12:05:38] <Dominus> I know what kirben says :)
[12:05:56] <Dominus> IMO let'S do away with W9x support
[12:06:09] <Dominus> but I'm always quick to say this :)
[12:07:41] <TheCycoONE> people use win 9x?
[12:12:49] <TheCycoONE> ah, 0.02% of the online population acc. wikipedia. Do you keep those stats for the exult site?
[12:13:23] <Dominus> marzo, Kirben if we decide to drop w9x support, we should keep the last w9x snapshot available and then be done with it :)
[12:13:52] <Marzo> Agreed
[12:14:50] <Marzo> I remember there was someone that used Win9x in the Phorum; is he/she still active, I wonder?
[13:27:05] <Kirben> Dropping Windows 9x support for ES sounds fine, since there is a good reason.
[13:27:22] <Kirben> What will the future GTK requirements be though?
[13:28:28] * RadoS . o O ( hmmm... I live my win98se... )
[13:28:36] * RadoS . o O ( love... )
[13:29:17] * RadoS doesn't have to use ES on it...
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[13:43:03] <Malignant_Manor> Keep a copy of the old Windows development libraries just in the remote case someone needs to compile older versions for version testing or backporting.
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[14:47:39] <Dominus> malignant_manor got a point...
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[17:23:46] <Malignant_Manor> It looks like we're going to be losing the phorums September 1, 2012. http://sourceforge.net/blog/hosted-apps-retirement/
[17:48:31] <Malignant_Manor> (actually, we are losing the entire php website but that' not too big of a deal compared to the forums)
[18:39:37] <Dominus> malignant, I'm not sure that's true
[18:40:44] <Malignant_Manor> wjp: How is Pentagram prealpha?
[18:41:09] <Malignant_Manor> Maybe it isn't true because there is a separate hosted app section.
[18:41:57] <Malignant_Manor> It would be good to know for sure project admin Dominus.
[18:49:58] <Dominus> afaik we don' use any hosted app
[18:50:08] <Dominus> the php backend isn't one
[18:51:03] <Malignant_Manor> I know I wouldn't pay attention to the poor default forums.
[18:51:36] <Dominus> the phorum is not a hosted app
[18:52:06] <Dominus> xu4 *WILL* lose its forum https://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/xu4/
[18:53:59] <Malignant_Manor> I don't really see a difference besides the app extension and shared login.
[18:54:15] <Malignant_Manor> but you are probably right
[18:55:17] <Malignant_Manor> We're one of the few semi-active Ultima forums that isn't about UO
[18:59:25] <Dominus> look closely and be aware what SF mean with hosted apps
[18:59:58] <Dominus> hosted apps are apps that are/were provided by SF, for example the phpbb xu4 uses
[19:00:16] <Dominus> phorum was installed by us on our webspace
[19:00:28] <Dominus> phorum is on exult.sf.net
[19:00:48] <Dominus> the xu4 php is on sf.net/apps/phpbb
[19:02:58] <Dominus> see https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/community-docs/Hosted%20Apps%20Retirement/
[19:03:05] <Dominus> we are not using wordpress
[19:03:14] <Dominus> nor mediawiki nor phpBB
[19:10:20] <Dominus> but I think this is really poorly handled by SF
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