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[00:48:47] <matto> dang them
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[01:04:19] <realmz> Hey
[01:04:51] * realmz hasn't been hear for a bit
[01:19:08] <matto> ping!
[01:19:55] <realmz> That was delayed :)
[01:20:04] <matto> hehe
[01:20:04] <matto> yep
[01:20:37] <realmz> Well, what's intresting is that Slackware does include Timidity
[01:20:46] <realmz> Though it's some Xaw frontend
[01:20:54] <realmz> And not compiled right
[01:21:08] <realmz> Now it doesn't work with Exult or ScummVM :)
[01:21:28] <realmz> It would all be more logical to use the card's actual MIDI support
[01:22:05] <matto> yeah
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[08:05:39] <wjp> hi
[08:11:00] <matto> wjp!!
[08:11:14] <matto> good morning :))
[08:11:20] <wjp> hi :-)
[08:11:37] * wjp isn't really awake yet... ugh
[08:11:59] <matto> do you know where Amersfoort or Almere is?
[08:12:03] <wjp> sure
[08:12:07] <wjp> both, in fact
[08:12:20] <matto> cool.. I have no idea where they are :)
[08:13:12] <wjp> why do you ask?
[08:13:16] <matto> I heard Almere is like.. only 25 years old.. and that it used to be a lake below sea level but they drained it and built a city there instead.. hehe
[08:13:24] <wjp> yeah
[08:13:32] <wjp> not just a city, though
[08:13:45] <matto> my brother is in almere.. I got a card from him yesterday
[08:16:59] <matto> I went to Barnes and Noble last night ... no sign of the new terry goodkind.. so I bought Debt of Bones instead
[08:17:15] <wjp> finished it already?
[08:17:21] * wjp hasn't read it yet, btw
[08:17:25] <matto> not yet, but I read 70/110 pages worth
[08:17:31] <matto> so I am all but done :)
[08:17:47] <matto> kind of expensive at $20 for one night's worth of reading.. ohwell
[08:18:20] <wjp> I might buy it along with pillars of creation
[08:18:30] <matto> I will have PoC in my hands later today :)
[08:18:38] <wjp> grmbl... :-)
[08:18:45] <wjp> you lucky americans ;-)
[08:18:48] <matto> it's 1:18 AM right now ... B&N probably opens at 8 or 9 am ... hehe
[08:19:43] <matto> they had a ridiculous amount of Lord of the rings stuff there last night
[08:20:11] <wjp> I wonder why :-)
[08:21:05] <matto> well I know it's because of the movie ... but ... how many ways can you sell 3 books? hehe
[08:21:12] <matto> 6 if you want to get technical :)
[08:21:39] <matto> they had a bunch of books about LoTR written by modern authors... I can't imagine why I would be interested in anything they had to say :)
[08:24:16] <wjp> heh, no, I wouldn't buy those either
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[08:27:47] <wjp|work> (I'm still here, btw :-) )
[08:28:59] <matto> oh ok
[08:29:54] <wjp|work> just 'officially' working now
[08:51:13] <matto> I see from the mailing list that Freeman is planning on releasing Exult Beta soon
[08:51:32] <wjp|work> yeah, I think wednesday was mentioned
[08:52:24] <matto> I didn't realize it was so far along.. impressive
[09:23:13] * matto has finished reading Debt o' Bones
[09:23:26] <matto> excellent short story :)
[09:23:29] <matto> I recommend it
[09:39:29] <wjp|work> looks like I should get it sometime, then :-)
[09:42:14] <wjp|work> hmm, amazon.co.uk says part 7 will be available 6 december... :-(
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[10:11:57] <Jammet> Hej =)
[10:12:25] * Darke bowbounces. "Hi! I haven't seen you in a while."
[10:12:44] <Jammet> I bought U9 today.. second hand. Thought this should be running smoothly, but found that my Windoze partition was too small so I cannot install it even. =)
[10:12:53] * Jammet playbounces and cubpurrs at Darke =). Hej there.
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[10:14:05] * Jammet sits down and grooms his fur softly, and gives you a happy nuzzle =). Good Morning Sharpy...
[10:14:32] * SharpTooth hops around you and paws playfully at your tail, "Good morning!"
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[10:15:34] * Jammet spins around to face you and bursts into giggles!
[10:15:42] <Jammet> =) Say, have you tried Ascension?
[10:16:14] * SharpTooth innocentwiggles and noddles. "Just a bit, not much though."
[10:16:19] <Jammet> =) I managed to run it once in texture compression mode. =) But the graphics was confetti all over.
[10:17:27] <SharpTooth> IIRC I tried running it under 32bit colour at 640x480 on a GeForce2, and it ran... umm... less then spectacularly. <grin>
[10:18:04] <Jammet> =
[10:18:49] <Jammet> It isn't going smoothly even though on the package it reads that this is optimally on a P2 with 400 Mhz, and I got 50 Mhz more, plus a TNT2, which is good enough for this thingy... you would think.
[10:19:17] <Jammet> =) I set everything up according to d3d.txt and I get confetti textures ... oh well. I'd love to try 16 bit textures if only they'd fit on my HDD.
[10:19:19] <SharpTooth> IIRC 16bit colour fared a bit better, but I think I needed to grab the latest patch for it, which fixes these problems.
[10:19:48] <Jammet> Gee, is there a patch for the german version at all? I have 1.06F ... and 1.18F is latest.
[10:20:03] <Jammet> But I can only find one patch file, no comments about the german version in there.
[10:20:48] <SharpTooth> IIRC there is a 'fanmade' 1.19. But I can't remember what it does. A faint memory tells me this is what fixes some of the GeForce/TNT card problems.
[10:21:09] <Jammet> Can you help me find it?
[10:21:40] <SharpTooth> I should have a bookmark somewhere...
[10:22:07] <Jammet> =) Nice...
[10:22:09] <SharpTooth> Bingo! That was quick. <grin> http://www.fansforultima.com/u9downloads.htm
[10:22:28] * Jammet ZOOMs there.
[10:22:47] <SharpTooth> You need to install the 1.18 patch first though, it should also be on that page somewhere.
[10:24:03] <Jammet> Hopefully compatible to the german version.
[10:24:08] <SharpTooth> The 1.18 patch is apparently here: http://www.ultima-ascension.com/downloads.html
[10:24:11] <Jammet> What is the dialouge patch?
[10:25:04] <SharpTooth> Read the readme? <grin> I haven't used it, it apparently just adds some extra consistancy and history to the game that the devs 'left out'.
[10:25:41] <Jammet> =) Okay.
[10:26:16] <Jammet> I've read some funny pages about U7 and U8 today. Like what mess to make with the cheats, and do unusual things to win.
[10:27:15] <Jammet> Ah yes, 1.18. That file I downloaded about 2 hours ago and it failed on my german version it seems. I'll try once more.
[10:28:08] <Jammet> Still haven't found a way to have the program show me it's version number once it is running.
[10:29:07] <Jammet> Whoa cool! An UW remake =).
[10:30:08] <SharpTooth> Here's a list of all the 'plot holes' in the game, <grin> it even lists the ones that are corrected by the dialogue patch: http://members.aon.at/hacki-ultima/index.htm
[10:30:47] <Jammet> I guess I'll use the patch then... but it prolly won't work with the german version.
[10:31:18] <Jammet> "Hallo wie geht's denn so?" "Sure, I'm fine, where is Gwenno?" "Sie ist irgendwo anders."
[10:31:38] <Jammet> Curse it, why didn't I get the english version.
[10:32:10] * SharpTooth hmms, he's got the english version.
[10:32:30] <SharpTooth> I wonder if it's just possible to swap a few data and exectutable files around to get it to 'work'.
[10:32:46] <Jammet> No idea, but what about the speech output...
[10:33:12] <Jammet> How legal is it to copy the game? I mean, I already paid for it and would like to have it in another language, that's all.
[10:33:44] <Jammet> The map is too big for the package. It was bent. Weird.
[10:36:05] <SharpTooth> <shrug> I was just considering swaping probably the ultima9.exe (whatever it's called) and whatever the text(language) files are stored as. I don't expect that origin would have localised all the 'level map' files, and they surely wouldn't have patched the voice files...
[10:36:47] <Jammet> I can disable all the voices.
[10:37:28] <Jammet> First I'll better just try the thing about graphics =).
[10:37:32] <Jammet> So, see you later =).
[10:37:36] <SharpTooth> <nod> You'd probably need to with the dialogue patches anyway. It's just if the patcher detects the voice files are not the right 'size' when it tries to patch them, then the patch will fail.
[10:37:53] * SharpTooth bows. "Goodbye. See you 'soon'."
[10:38:15] * Jammet nuzzles you sweetly =). See you.
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[11:15:23] <SharpTooth> Suuuuure, you were. <noddlenod>
[11:16:15] <wjp|work> *grin*
[11:24:57] <wjp|work> gtg
[11:24:57] <wjp|work> bye
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[11:37:19] <Colourless> hello all
[11:45:28] <SharpTooth> Hi. <bow>
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[13:23:16] <Nadir> hi
[13:23:20] <Colourless> hi
[13:31:25] <Nadir> I added a few screenshots to the site, both in anticipation of the release and because Artaxerxes asked for some on the forum
[13:31:39] <Colourless> yeah I saw
[13:32:22] <SharpTooth> Hi. <bow> I noticed as well. <grin> Perhaps we should remove a couple of the .gif screenshots? They look rather... err... bad compared to the rest.
[13:41:39] <Nadir> God knows what Jeff did with those...
[13:42:02] <Colourless> well, it's simple, he dithered them poorly :-)
[13:42:11] <Nadir> With what one wonders...
[13:43:38] <Nadir> If you people can provide interesting screenshots from your savegames...
[13:57:02] <SharpTooth> Ok, I'll see what I can do. What resolution? Any particular scalers? Any suggested locations? (I'm thinking updating the "I Am The Avatar" one, and one of "Kiss Me") And how do you want me to get them to you?
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[14:15:43] <Nadir> *interesting* locations, maybe with open gumps, with large party, 320x200 with scaler
[14:18:12] <Nadir> mail them to me. I have a *fast* connection
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[14:19:13] <SB-X> hi
[14:19:23] * SharpTooth nods to Nadir and pawwaves to SB-X, "Hi."
[14:19:35] <Colourless> hi
[14:25:11] <Nadir> hi
[14:40:13] <Nadir> someone wants to translate U7 in Italian
[14:40:35] <Colourless> yeah
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[15:02:59] <SB-X> where can i send screenshots?
[15:05:04] <SB-X> for submission to the website
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[15:14:44] <wjp> hi
[15:14:52] <Colourless> hi
[15:17:11] <nadir> hi
[15:17:26] <wjp> well well... translating U7 to Italian
[15:17:39] <wjp> I hope he knows what he's getting himself into :-)
[15:17:41] <SB-X> hi
[15:19:12] <nadir> I guess I might be able to help him, but it's a HUGE task
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[15:19:48] <wjp> yeah, there's a _lot_ of text in there
[15:20:11] <wjp> I wonder what would happen if we automate it using babelfish ;-)
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[15:20:42] <SB-X> "Batlin the gate for to get the Avatar destroyed! Stop!"
[15:20:57] <wjp> :-)
[15:21:09] <Colourless> :-)
[15:21:33] <Colourless> for some reason i don't think that is a good idea :-)
[15:22:21] <Nadir> it could be interesting in English too. Translate it from English into Italian and back. Rebuild the usecode, and... voilą !
[15:22:34] <SharpTooth> ReHi. And not only that, some of the text is constructed using usecode, so sentence structure could be kind of broken.
[15:22:57] <SharpTooth> (Think gender related stuff.)
[15:23:03] <SB-X> ReHi SharpTooth
[15:24:20] <wjp> the copy-protection-failed nonsense in SI would be interesting :-)
[15:24:46] <SB-X> actually it might start to make sense :-)
[15:25:26] <SharpTooth> And that's ignoring the fact that, with the current tools (wuc/wud) you need to have each 'sentence' exactly the same length as the 'sentence' you're replacing, or else start fiddling with all the offsets within the code. <grin> I think either ucxt or a proper assembler needs to be written before this can be 'successfully' done.
[15:26:06] * wjp nods
[15:27:20] <SharpTooth> OTOP, it's easy enough to just do basic bit twiddling, like remove the copy protection and such. <grin> But that's about all with the current tools, such as they are.
[15:28:33] <SB-X> On The Other Paw? :-)
[15:28:41] <wjp> lol
[15:28:49] <wjp> I was wondering what that stood for :-)
[15:29:18] <SharpTooth> <grin> Sorry, yes a mental translation of OTOH.
[15:30:10] <Nadir> SharpTooth: so what are you waiting for. Get ucxt working !!!
[15:33:41] <SharpTooth> Nadir: <grin> I'm getting there. I'm currently trying to have a 'properly' working version of it working by the time exult drops out of beta.
[15:36:45] <SB-X> do i have to take a screen shot with Exult windowed if i want it to saev a scaled image?
[15:36:49] <SB-X> save
[15:37:01] <SB-X> with some outside program
[15:37:13] <Colourless> yeah as far as I know
[15:38:51] <SB-X> ok
[15:41:06] <Nadir> SB-X: you use Linux ?
[15:41:25] <SB-X> yes
[15:41:50] <Nadir> I used GIMP to grab those screen shots today
[15:41:57] <Nadir> File/Acquire/Screenshot
[15:42:17] <SB-X> ok
[15:42:51] <Nadir> Colourless: does the internal snapshot feature capture the post-scaled or the pre-scaled image ?
[15:43:02] <Nadir> s/snapshot/screenshot/
[15:43:15] <Colourless> pre scaled as far as i know
[15:43:24] <Nadir> ah
[16:03:47] <SB-X> did you know there is a comment that says to delete after a few weeks and gives the date as (23-09-2001)
[16:04:49] <Colourless> yeah
[16:06:11] <Nadir> what's that ?
[16:06:20] <Colourless> a hack by Jeff
[16:07:53] <Nadir> where ?
[16:08:00] <Colourless> gamewin.cc
[16:18:28] <Nadir> we should remember to remove it after Beta1 is tagged
[16:23:54] <Nadir> there are others in there
[16:24:14] <Colourless> where?
[16:24:56] <Nadir> gamewin.cc:1420 // a new game. Remove someday... (added 2001082
[16:26:24] <Nadir> going...
[16:26:25] <Nadir> bye
[16:26:29] <Colourless> bye
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[16:30:49] * SharpTooth bows. "I also must disappear, bye all."
[17:16:32] <_Kreed_> damn turing machines suck
[17:16:44] <_Kreed_> at least, specifying one in detail :\
[17:23:25] <wjp> yeah, turing machines can be very annoying to write out
[17:24:01] <wjp> what task do you need to build one for?
[17:27:57] <_Kreed_> oh
[17:28:08] <_Kreed_> floor ( 5/6 * x)
[17:28:11] <_Kreed_> that
[17:28:22] <_Kreed_> all in binary of course..
[17:28:26] <wjp> of course :-)
[17:32:15] * SB-X avoids the computer sciences.
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[20:40:52] <rovragge> hello.. about to install, should I go for CVS or stable today? (planning to use black gate)
[20:41:09] <Colourless> cvs
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[20:50:12] <matt|school> wjp|away: I've been to the bookstore :)
[20:55:47] <rovragge> how do I build a cvs source snapshot
[20:56:05] <Colourless> what os?
[20:56:17] <rovragge> linux
[20:56:38] <rovragge> i run autoconf, configure: error: can not find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../..
[20:56:53] <Colourless> i can't help you with that, i don't use linux
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[20:57:05] <rovragge> you a maintainer?
[20:57:29] <Colourless> maintainer?
[20:57:38] <rovragge> of exult code
[20:57:53] <Colourless> i'm one of the coders, but i don't use linux
[21:00:00] <Colourless> wjp could probably help you, but he's not here
[21:01:12] <rovragge> Colourless: well do you use gnu autoconf when building?
[21:01:47] <Colourless> nope
[21:02:24] <Colourless> I know there are 2 steps you need to do to configure exult...
[21:02:29] <Colourless> ?logs
[21:02:29] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[21:08:00] <Colourless> ok, you need to do a ./autogen.sh before runing ./configure
[21:08:10] <Colourless> then you run make
[21:09:48] <rovragge> oops, I thought that one was missing, it got wrong file permissions since the source is distributed in a .zip file...
[21:11:05] <Colourless> have you got SDL?
[21:11:34] <rovragge> works now.. i knew about autogen.sh mechanism, i just did'nt see the file and figured this package was configure otherwise
[21:11:35] <rovragge> thanks
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[21:20:22] <SB-X> hmm
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[21:37:18] <rovragge> running... awesome!
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[22:40:30] <wjp> ugh... that was my number theory homework :-)
[22:44:39] <wjp> time to go; night
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