#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 20 Sep 2006 (GMT)

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[00:01:25] <servus> Wait, wait, this is talk like a PIRATE day... Yo d00d I have 1337 w@rez hit me up on Kaz@@ yos!
[00:01:27] <Dalian> It be Talk Like A Pirate Day, savvy? Servus did be knowin' that
[00:04:05] <Dalian> If you combined those two, you'd have the deadliest of combos...a l337 pirate hax0r!
[00:05:40] <servus> Don't feed the animals, Dalian.
[00:06:00] <Dalian> heh
[00:07:06] <Dalian> this weekend we're having our 2nd annual pirate party
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[00:55:54] <wizardrydragon> Ninja > Pirate :)
[00:58:00] <SB-X> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle?
[01:01:36] <Dalian> wizardry: I think ninjas would be at a disadvantage on the high seas
[01:01:57] <wizardrydragon> I don't think so. Theyre bouncy and dextrous.
[01:02:04] <SB-X> Not Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. They're amphibious.
[01:02:23] <wizardrydragon> Also, Japan had boats too, you know.
[01:03:37] <SB-X> The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' master was from Japan.
[01:03:38] <Dalian> Yes, but I don't think you would find many ninjas on them
[01:04:17] <wizardrydragon> If theres someone that needs assasinated, they were there. If theyhre on a boat well then the ninja found a way on the boat too :)
[01:04:30] <SB-X> If they could swim.
[01:04:35] <SB-X> Oh wait.
[01:04:42] <Dalian> What about trees? Ninjas need trees, you know
[01:04:43] <SB-X> That would be some ninja.
[01:04:48] <SB-X> They do?
[01:04:52] <Dalian> sure
[01:05:04] <Dalian> you always see them cartwheeling out from behind a tree in movies
[01:05:19] <wizardrydragon> Shh! Dalian hasnt heard of the indoors yet, dont ruin it for him
[01:05:33] <SB-X> Didn't you play Ninja Gaiden? That guy could swing from any hanging object.
[01:05:37] <SB-X> Ninja in the U.S.A.
[01:05:38] <Dalian> I'm being totally silly of course
[01:05:45] <wizardrydragon> Shinobi!
[01:05:45] <Dalian> and yeah I played that :)
[01:06:50] <wizardrydragon> I loved Shinobi when I was a kid, heh
[01:09:28] <SB-X> I prefer Ninja Gaiden (arcade) but I never could finish it.
[01:09:50] <wizardrydragon> Never played the other
[01:09:51] <Dalian> I have a cool daisho, but not much in the way of ninja weaponry
[01:10:00] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[01:10:09] <wizardrydragon> My roomie has a katana somewheres
[01:10:40] * Dalian loves swords
[01:11:17] <wizardrydragon> I asked her once what it was for and she explained "Its a cruicial tool in chasing away all those annoying door to door salespeople and Jehovah's Witnesses."
[01:11:28] * Sevalecan loves axes
[01:11:34] * Sevalecan uses an axe on Dalian
[01:11:54] <wizardrydragon> I have myself a longsword under my bed.
[01:11:59] <wizardrydragon> Forged it meself :)
[01:12:41] <Dalian> nice
[01:13:16] <Sevalecan> i want a samurai sword ;|
[01:13:35] <wizardrydragon> Youd have to be more specific Sevalecan
[01:13:46] <wizardrydragon> A Katana? A Daisho?
[01:14:00] <wizardrydragon> (I forget what they call the size bigger than a Katana)
[01:14:11] <Dalian> a daisho is a katana and wakizashi
[01:14:32] <wizardrydragon> Ah
[01:14:41] <SB-X> How about a naginata?
[01:14:42] <Sevalecan> dai katana
[01:14:42] <Dalian> wakizashi being smaller and more like a main gauche
[01:14:43] <Sevalecan> ;D
[01:14:47] <Sevalecan> nah
[01:14:50] <wizardrydragon> I thought the Wazizashi was the combo and the Daisho was the sword, heh
[01:15:00] * wizardrydragon apparently had it backwards :)
[01:15:34] <Sevalecan> whichever one was meant for slicing ;P
[01:15:44] <wizardrydragon> Thats a Katana
[01:16:23] <wizardrydragon> The smaller one is more like an offhand blocking weapon, as one would use in fencing
[01:16:35] <Dalian> aka main gauche
[01:16:55] <wizardrydragon> A Main Gauche is just one example of an off hand weapon, Dalian
[01:17:15] <wizardrydragon> Many fencers just use a longsword in one hand and a shortsword in the other.
[01:19:54] <Dalian> my set includes the tanto as well, which is a dagger with a 10" blade. Hardly weighs anything too
[01:20:12] <wizardrydragon> I wonder how well balanced it is
[01:20:13] <Dalian> women often carried those
[01:20:40] <Dalian> it's not a throwing dagger really
[01:20:51] <wizardrydragon> Could use it as a throwing weapon if it's well-balanced enough
[01:21:23] <Dalian> this type is curved
[01:21:51] <wizardrydragon> Still could use it that way, its the balance. Piercing weapons work better though
[01:22:01] * wizardrydragon searches for ninja stars :)
[01:22:24] <wizardrydragon> Axes make pretty fun throwing weapons if theyre balanced well, though
[01:24:01] <Dalian> heh...reminds me of the comments from the guard when you train on List Field :)
[01:24:43] <wizardrydragon> Theyre messy, but if you hurl one of those at saomeone at it connects, then they're quite dead
[01:24:48] <wizardrydragon> *ast/and
[01:25:55] <Dalian> "Sweet is the sight of a battle axe swinging in the pitch of battle"
[01:26:35] <wizardrydragon> I always think of certain scenes in the Lord of the Rings movie :)
[01:27:05] <wizardrydragon> Maces are so wonderfully visceral, too :)
[01:27:22] <Dalian> heh. I'll never forget that scene from "Gladiator" when the guy gets a mace in the face
[01:27:45] <wizardrydragon> Scmuck!
[01:28:19] <Dalian> ?
[01:28:37] <SB-X> I take it that's the sound it made.
[01:28:42] <Dalian> ah
[01:28:47] <wizardrydragon> Does the onomatopea confuse you? :)
[01:29:54] * Dalian makes more coffee
[01:30:37] <wizardrydragon> I think the only mideaval weapons Im not a fan of is pikes
[01:31:53] <SB-X> Does anyone know how to get rid of trojan horses in XP when no antivirus software you run detects them?
[01:32:21] <Dalian> I was just thinking the same thing. Halberds/pikes
[01:32:39] <SB-X> trojan horses!
[01:32:40] <wizardrydragon> Indeed
[01:33:13] <Dalian> sb-x: I take it you tried antispyware as well?
[01:33:43] <wizardrydragon> AdAware might be of use, but Im unsure
[01:34:46] <SB-X> Dalian: Yes that's what I mean, programs that detect both viruses and spyware.
[01:35:05] <SB-X> I have the AdAware installer but havn't installed it yet because I'm not sure this is adware, but I'll try it now.
[01:35:47] <Dalian> how do you know you have one if nothing detects it?
[01:37:33] <Dalian> the WMF/ByteVerify trojan was propagating on Myspace recently. Glad McAfee caught it in its tracks
[01:38:06] <SB-X> kaspersky anti-virus 6.0 keeps detecting that a trojan is being downloaded from http://my.m369m.com/aaa/tyDns.Exe, and that it blocks the attempt
[01:38:20] <wizardrydragon> Sounds more like a virus then a trojan
[01:38:46] <wizardrydragon> Souhnds like a virus is trhying to download files it needs to compromise your system
[01:38:48] <Dalian> tyDns..yeah that sounds like a virus or a backdoor..not sure tho
[01:38:55] <SB-X> perhaps what XP has now is, the program its downloading is a trojan
[01:39:10] <SB-X> or attempting to download
[01:39:15] <SB-X> it also keeps detecting a file named 55.exe
[01:39:37] <SB-X> but I cant see any strange processes listed in a couple process viewer tools I have
[01:39:57] <SB-X> Trojan-PSW.Win32.WOW.hx http://bbs.m369m.com/aaa/55.exe
[01:40:14] <Dalian> hmm
[01:40:20] <SB-X> a couple of process viewer tools I downloaded to see if there were any "hidden processes" running* :)
[01:40:20] <wizardrydragon> SB-X its not neccesarily in the process list
[01:40:21] <Dalian> according to a few sites it's a legit app
[01:40:30] <SB-X> true, they don't show anything extra
[01:40:43] <Dalian> DNS IP address updater tool
[01:40:48] <wizardrydragon> I doubt its being downloaded for a legitimate use though
[01:40:51] <Dalian> true
[01:41:03] <wizardrydragon> Its probably being used to spresad the virus
[01:42:29] <wizardrydragon> Remember: just becausae the program itself is benign doesnt mean somethings not using it to more devious ends :)
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[01:42:53] <SB-X> Which it obviously is since I don't have any programs running now that should be connecting to the internet.
[01:43:21] * wizardrydragon smacks SB_X with a big sign that says IRC!
[01:43:32] <Dalian> and actually the filename should be dyndns.exe, not tydns.exe, which makes it more suspicious
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[01:43:36] <SB-X> and I had just cleared up some trojans that were from the same site
[01:43:41] * SB-X breaks wizardrydragon's sign.
[01:43:44] <SB-X> Besides that. :P
[01:43:56] <SB-X> its there when mIRC is not running
[01:44:03] <wizardrydragon> Hmm
[01:44:35] <wizardrydragon> There are ways to hide processes from the process list. You can get programs that can find all memory-resident executables
[01:44:36] <SB-X> well they were trojans or other types of worms from chinese sites
[01:44:46] * SB-X installs AdAware.
[01:45:23] <Dalian> "Some malware camouflage themselves as DynDNS.exe, particularly if they are located in c:\windows or c:\windows\system32 folder."
[01:45:41] <Dalian> http://www.file.net/process/dyndns.exe.html
[01:45:54] <wizardrydragon> I think thats somewhat incorrect, but its still right in spirit
[01:46:14] <wizardrydragon> Many malware programs use dynamic dns software to propogate through the internet
[01:58:55] * wizardrydragon hides from SB-X. Kaap your virii to yourself! :)
[02:01:04] <SB-X> if its a virus i dont think adaware will find it :\
[02:01:26] <wizardrydragon> It picks up on a surprising amount of stuff
[02:01:49] <wizardrydragon> It may nto pick up on the virus itself, but Id bet good money you can find bad registry keys it has added
[02:12:19] * SB-X sighs.
[02:12:24] <SB-X> Two critical objects found: Tracking Cookies
[02:12:28] <Baastuul> WHAT AILS THEE, NOBLE MASTER?
[02:12:43] <SB-X> Viruses.
[02:12:53] <servus> He got it from a pirate.
[02:13:05] * SB-X walks towards Baastuul with outstretched arms. "FREEE ME!"
[02:13:14] <SB-X> Yarr?
[02:13:20] <SB-X> oh wait
[02:13:29] <SB-X> n00b
[02:14:01] <servus> Eyepatch pr0n.
[02:14:27] <SB-X> Tracking Cookie has a TAC rating of 3.
[02:15:24] <SB-X> wizardrydragon: where's my money?
[02:18:26] <wizardrydragon> Arr if ye wants ye dubloons ye'll have to pry them from me cold dead fingers.
[02:21:34] <SB-X> Since that didn't work, can you tell me the name of a program that lists all memory-resident executables, wizardrydragon?
[02:22:00] <wizardrydragon> I dont really know; I know they exist but I havent had to use them myself, sorry
[02:22:26] <SB-X> ok
[02:23:11] <SB-X> the only hint i see of the hidden process, besides kaspersky's warnings, is that when shutting down XP it sometimes asks to end task yo6meiy because it failed to respond
[02:23:47] <SB-X> but then it always ends shortly after anyway
[02:24:07] <wizardrydragon> That seems to be the name of the process that's malign, now just to excise it
[02:24:08] <SB-X> and the computer restarts
[02:24:12] <SB-X> yes
[02:25:31] <SB-X> searching for hidden and non-hidden files doesnt find anything with that name
[02:25:55] <wizardrydragon> Hmm
[02:26:21] <wizardrydragon> often the process name doesnt neccesairly match the executable name, especially in the cases of virii (makes finding the infected file harder)
[02:46:33] <Marzo> Good night to all
[02:48:35] <wizardrydragon> Night
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[03:14:50] <Dalian> grr. Sometimes I hate when I analyze something too closely
[03:15:03] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:15:48] <Dalian> If spells are cast by having the reagents and stringing the power words together, what purpose does the spellbook serve? Can the Avatar honestly not remember that the light spell is 'In Lor' and uses sulfurous ash?
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[03:16:46] <wizardrydragon> Think of the spellbook as a focus
[03:17:08] <Dalian> maybe, but none of the lore mentions that
[03:17:41] <wizardrydragon> Not much of the lore explains the workings of magic - it wouldnt be magic otherwise :)
[03:17:44] <Dalian> and then i could argue, why does the spell need to be in the book, even if it is a focus?
[03:18:30] <Dalian> this is actually relevant to a mod I want to do, or I wouldn't be thinking about it :)
[03:19:22] <Dalian> Mostly it's a game mechanism. It wouldn't be much of a challenge if the avatar started out knowing 8th level spells, heh
[03:19:33] <wizardrydragon> I disagree to an extent
[03:21:54] <Dalian> Then there's the point that things like wisps and gazers don't need spellbooks. You might argue that they are 'magical creatures,' but what is the avatar to them but a 'magical creature'? Hmm
[03:31:03] <wizardrydragon> The Avatars still human, Dalian
[03:31:26] <wizardrydragon> He is neither elf, bobbit, fuzzy, or dwarf, therefore he must be human :)
[03:31:54] <Dalian> well okay, according to the BG manual, spellbook is one required item, but doesn't really explain why.
[03:32:07] <wizardrydragon> Thats what I said, the canon doesnt really explain why
[03:32:19] <Dalian> curses
[03:33:26] <Dalian> which came first, the transcribe spell or the scroll? hehe
[03:36:26] <wizardrydragon> :P
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[04:38:34] <Dalian> Nice. someone figured out something to do with the blackrock in uo. But you have to be a legendary mage. Figures.
[04:39:40] <Dalian> Apparently if you say the power words for the Armageddon spell, and have a piece of it on the ground, you literally blow up :p
[04:45:32] <wizardrydragon> Now I just need rudyoms wand!
[04:45:35] <wizardrydragon> :)
[04:52:50] <Dalian> hmm..my highest mage is 110. I say the words for Armageddon and it says "You feel uneasy...but nothing happens."
[04:53:39] <wizardrydragon> I dont want to tryh it, given my characters pretty much maxesd out
[04:57:51] <Dalian> I want to blow up dang it
[04:58:48] <wizardrydragon> lol
[05:01:36] <Dalian> interesting..the Time Lord has shown up on some shards..
[05:01:50] <wizardrydragon> Ah, so theyre actually using the new art now then
[05:18:15] <Dalian> Interesting. This seems to maybe tie-in with the whole needing-a-spellbook thing. You don't need the spell in your book to try and cast Armageddon, you just say it. Maybe because it isn't in your book is the reason you "lose control of the wild energies" and blow up.
[05:19:06] <Colourless> or maybe there is more to it than just having the spell in the spell book
[05:19:55] <servus> You've got to buy the Mondain's Blackrock Madness expansion for $29.95 before you can blow yourself up
[05:19:58] <Colourless> spell casting might require some specific set of events and the spell listed in the spell book lists them as such... but that wouldn't explain the transcribe spell..
[05:20:31] <Colourless> mhm
[05:20:40] <Colourless> maybe the scrol
[05:21:01] <servus> The scrolls are more than instructions - they are magical. That's why they are one-use-only.
[05:21:20] <Colourless> maybe the transcribe spell devines hte entire procedure require to cast the spell from the scroll
[05:21:34] <servus> I thought it just copied it to sturdier paper in the book : o)
[05:21:47] <Colourless> you can't cast from a book without reagents, but you can use a scroll without them
[05:21:57] <servus> Equivalent exchange!
[05:22:12] <servus> Does it take reagents to scribe a scroll? Mana? I forgot.
[05:22:15] <Dalian> You can cast linear spells. But those are almost a different kind of magic
[05:22:24] <Dalian> lots of mana
[05:22:42] <Dalian> oh you mean in UO?
[05:22:48] <servus> Yes
[05:22:53] <Dalian> regs and mana
[05:23:13] <servus> Well there you go, it does take reagents to cast from a scroll, they're just stored energy.
[05:24:11] * Colourless shrugs
[05:25:23] <Colourless> so why do they require reagents and mana (in UO)
[05:25:26] <Dalian> They really threw a wrench into the whole thing by adding spellweaving, anyway. Those only use mana, and can't be scribed
[05:25:43] <servus> That would explain why scrolls are one use only, and spellbooks are not - scrolls have the reagents internalized, so presumably the entire scroll becomes the "reagent". Spells stored in books separate out the reagents, allowing the page in the book to remain unharmed.
[05:26:11] <Dalian> I think in uo it's a skill gain thing. If it only used scrolls it'd be cheaper to make them and raise the skill
[05:26:14] <servus> Maybe scribing a scroll physically embeds the reagents into the paper.
[05:28:33] <Dalian> could be. A couple of them are only useable as reagents in paste or oil form, according to the lore. The paper might absorb them
[05:29:58] <Dalian> None of which explains how potions work :)
[05:32:37] <Dalian> I guess they are a different beast altogether. Nothing to do with the ethereal void
[05:33:03] <wizardrydragon> Ever heard of Alchemy, Dalian? :P
[05:34:59] <Dalian> of course I have
[05:37:46] <Dalian> They don't use power words for their creation nor use, is all I'm saying. If their power doesn't come from the ether, where does it come from?
[05:39:38] <Dalian> take a night sight potion, for example. Drinking a concoction of sulfurous ash somehow gives you the ability to see in the dark?
[05:42:01] <Dalian> :)
[05:42:08] <servus> You sprinkle it in your eyes...
[05:42:42] <servus> Red Bull was actually named after the Ultima potion.
[05:43:33] <Dalian> umm..no :)
[05:45:57] <Colourless> have you ever tried drinking a concoction of sulfurous ash? so how do you know it doesn't work :-)
[05:49:51] <Dalian> :p
[05:51:01] <Dalian> blood moss is the only one of the 'original' reagents that doesn't exist in the real world
[05:53:40] <wizardrydragon> It exists
[05:53:49] <wizardrydragon> Oh, IRL
[05:53:49] <Dalian> does it?
[05:54:08] <Dalian> black pearls do exist but are extremely rare
[05:55:03] <Dalian> it's kind of humorous that they spawn on land in uo
[05:55:05] <wizardrydragon> I dont think blood spawn does, or worm hearts, or ...
[05:55:15] <Dalian> as I said, the original ones :)
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[06:30:18] <servus> The one without colour comes to slay us all, and cleanse our bodies with aqua fortis.
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[06:55:26] <servus> I wonder if that's his permanent quit message now.
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[08:06:17] <SB-X> Ok, I think my system of clear of viruses now. (even though the virus scanners I installed never detected them)
[08:07:18] * SB-X credits Colourless.
[08:15:19] <Colourless> viruses now days are smart! they disable the virus scanners ability to detect them... or they are malwear that isn't classed as a virus/worm
[08:17:18] <SB-X> I wonder if it's too new and just hasn't been identified yet?
[08:17:44] <Colourless> that possible
[08:17:54] <Colourless> you haven't been visiting any porn sites with ie?
[08:17:59] <Colourless> :-)
[08:18:02] <SB-X> I kept the files to send to someone that analyzes these things, but I don't know who or where that would be.
[08:18:15] <SB-X> no but I was at some chinese tv websites
[08:18:51] <Colourless> there is some new ie vulnerability thats been discorvered and its already being exploited
[08:18:58] <SB-X> and when I searched for the filename of the dll that was hooked into windows explorer, it only returned chinese results
[08:19:18] <SB-X> google only returned chinese webpages that is*
[08:20:08] <SB-X> I normally use Firefox but used IE briefly a few days ago.
[08:21:36] <SB-X> Do you know if anyone or website requests virus dll files to be analyzed, Colourless?
[08:22:22] <Colourless> most av providers have a submit suspicious file somewhere on their sites
[08:23:04] <Colourless> http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060919/tc_zd/189005
[08:25:50] <SB-X> Interesting news story. I'd read part of that on eWEEK just a half hour ago when searching for information on this particular virus/trojan/malware. Thanks.
[08:27:39] <Colourless> microsofts advisory http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/925568.mspx
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