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[08:46:36] <Dominus> hi guys!
[08:47:55] * Dominus bows to _Kreed_, the creator of the awesome scaling engines (if I'm not mistaken :-))
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[08:48:12] <Darke> Hello. <bow>
[08:48:20] <Dominus> hi
[08:48:46] * Darke managed to time his glance at the logs just at the right moment to notice your arrival.
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[08:49:32] <Dominus> ah, I thought it was you SharpTooth (the bow gave you away)
[08:49:56] * SharpTooth wiggles innocently. "Just another character of my writer."
[08:50:49] * Dominus reads yesterdays logs
[08:54:21] <Dominus> So, I wonder if we release beta today ...
[09:02:17] <SharpTooth> Probably a good idea, nothing has been changed in the last... 5? days.
[09:02:35] * Dominus nods
[09:02:43] <Dominus> it has been pretty quiet
[09:03:10] <Dominus> I bet that as soon as the beta is out Jeff will try to screw all up again :-)
[09:03:43] <SharpTooth> <grin> IIRC Jeff said he was going to play with the tools after Beta is out, so perhaps not.
[09:04:33] <Dominus> I know...
[09:05:26] <Dominus> I hope that someone takes a look at Studio under Windows but I don't hold my breath ... :-)
[09:08:10] <SharpTooth> <grin> You may have to pester Colourless about that, since IIRC he's the only coder who uses windows.
[09:08:26] <Dominus> :-)
[09:19:26] <Dominus> bbl
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[10:31:37] <Jammet> Hej =)
[10:32:13] <SharpTooth> Hi! <bowfluff>
[10:32:29] * Jammet cubpurrs warmly good morning and nuzzles against you under the chin. =)
[10:32:33] <Jammet> How are you this morning?
[10:32:42] <Jammet> I'm just here for a short visit. Mrrow. =)
[10:32:44] * Jammet bounces.
[10:33:09] * SharpTooth nuzzles your neck gently back and bounces slightly.
[10:33:27] <SharpTooth> Quite good actually. And yourself? <smile>
[10:34:01] <Jammet> =) I'm fine. Fiddling around with technical nonsense again. And still trying to get U9 to run without conffetti graphics. =)
[10:34:19] <Jammet> If only I could install 16 bit textures. I wonder, can I just copy them off the CD or do I have to unpack things somehow...
[10:34:46] <Jammet> They might fit. The setup just keeps aborting even though I start out with 750 MB free on the harddrive which is enough says the installer.
[10:35:54] <SharpTooth> Weird. That should work.
[10:36:01] * SharpTooth ponders.
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[10:38:13] * SharpTooth hops beside the returned kitty and nuzzles against your ear. "Hi again!"
[10:38:48] * Jammet cubpurrs thankfully and giggles, ticked and swivels that ear to listen to the nuzzle.
[10:38:56] <Jammet> I can't stay long =) sorry.
[10:39:15] * SharpTooth wiggles and bows. "No problem."
[10:41:23] <Jammet> =) You know, I'm not Lord British, is it normal for you to bow to me?
[10:42:40] <SharpTooth> Normal. <grin> I'm a rather formal little bunny on occasions. <innocentwiggle>
[10:44:19] * SharpTooth ponders and considers there is only one avatar of his that wouldn't bow out of politeness.
[10:45:12] * Jammet purrs happily, "I'm the Avantar occasionally, but I'm much more like the kid they meet in blackgate, except I'd even more like to be the cat on the street =), magical.
[10:45:22] * Jammet bounces and playbows back to you.
[10:46:31] <SharpTooth> <grin> Somebun suggested that I should be added as a bunny on the Sorceforge Island 'patch' to Ultima7 that's being made. <wiggle>
[10:46:53] <Jammet> =) What? What is that patch?
[10:47:04] <Jammet> I love to draw and stuff. I could draw you a character picture.
[10:47:47] <Jammet> And even if I beg, =) I'd love to be in the patch too, probably just saying a few lines that we could make up. The wabbit and leopard cub play hide and seek =).
[10:47:56] <SharpTooth> <grin> I don't think it works now, since we've changed the way that conversations work internally to exult and the compiler is broken.
[10:48:15] <Jammet> Oh. Why'd you break that? =)
[10:48:46] * SharpTooth bows in thanks. "I don't know, I'm not the one fiddling with it at the moment, I think Jeff started it off to test his tools."
[10:49:06] <Jammet> If I could be in there, looking like a cat char or I'd draw my own sprite and char pic, I'd probably be running in circles around a tree all night long and sleep next to it in the day.
[10:49:17] <SharpTooth> Because the original way we were doing it was wrong, so we made it happen the 'right' way as it probably would have worked in ultima7.
[10:49:19] <Jammet> =) Okay. Just please don't forget the offer. I'd love to.
[10:49:22] <Jammet> jammet@tigress.com
[10:49:32] <Jammet> Oh.
[10:49:36] * SharpTooth nuzzles you thankfully.
[10:49:37] <Jammet> I don't quite understand.
[10:49:58] <SharpTooth> What part?
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[10:50:23] <wjp> hi
[10:50:41] <Jammet> Hej wjp =)
[10:51:04] <Jammet> SharpTooth, the part about the right way and the ultima7 way and how it was done before now, and what changed now. =)
[10:51:25] <SharpTooth> Hi wjp. <bow>
[10:51:30] <wjp> we didn't really understand how U7 handled conversations
[10:51:44] <wjp> so the way Jeff handled in the compiler turned out to be wrong
[10:51:54] <wjp> ...handled _it_ in..
[10:51:59] <Jammet> =) But you go on babbling the whole game... couldn't that be reverse engeneered?
[10:52:07] <Jammet> Oh.
[10:52:16] <wjp> we think we have it figured out now :-)
[10:52:38] * SharpTooth grins and points to wjp. "What he said."
[10:52:40] <wjp> the compiler just hasn't been updated yet
[10:52:42] <Jammet> =) Does that affect playing it in anyway? Or does that open some doors to add on that? Like adding more talk or changing it?
[10:53:05] <SharpTooth> IIRC it was changed in responce to the original one not working correctly with some conversations in SI.
[10:53:18] <Jammet> We just talked about the exult patch =). I draw a lot so I suggested I could draw crew character pictures.
[10:53:23] <Jammet> At least the furry ones =D.
[10:53:23] <wjp> I know :-)
[10:53:27] * wjp read the logs ;-)
[10:53:40] <Jammet> =) Cheetah.
[10:54:50] <Jammet> What'll that patch do exactly? Add another island or a gate to a tiny world?
[10:55:08] <Jammet> =) I guess it'll have to be really small.
[10:55:21] <SharpTooth> Just another island (IIRC) currently. With DrCode and Dominus(?) on it.
[10:55:51] <Jammet> =) Does it sound doable to add SharpTooth and me as animal characters playing around a tree?
[10:56:13] <wjp> sure :-)
[10:56:20] <Jammet> YAYYY
[10:56:27] <Jammet> =) I'd love that!!
[10:56:32] <Jammet> It'd be way cool!
[10:56:37] * SharpTooth rolls on the floor giggling. He thinks it'd be fun!
[10:56:38] <wjp> how about the same schedule as the children playing tag near the castle?
[10:56:58] <Jammet> Leopard'ish old school english. =) "Why're you wearing that snow leopard coat? I hate you!"
[10:57:10] <wjp> hehe :-)
[10:57:19] * SharpTooth snickers.
[10:57:39] <Jammet> Seriously =) the only part in Ultima that offends me =). Not the blood, it's the animal killings ... wolves, leopards...
[10:57:42] <Jammet> Grrr!
[10:57:44] <wjp> now we just need a talking wolf and bear and you won't be able to wear any cloak at all :-)
[10:57:51] <Jammet> =) Anyways. I hope to find that trap laying guy and show him.
[10:58:23] * SharpTooth wiggles and grins. He finds it funny that the rabbits also have beef in them.
[10:58:47] <Jammet> If it's really okay =) I'll put in some good talk for my character about animals and the knighthood coats =).
[10:58:58] <Jammet> Yeah, and that a cow has five legs.
[11:00:01] * SharpTooth forsees someone writing the game from the inside out. Gradually adding more and more people upon request and interlacing their relationships until you have an entire world built up.
[11:00:02] <Jammet> wjp, is there a talk script being written about what everyone on Gilligan's isle has to say? =) So I could write some lines for me?
[11:00:40] <Jammet> SharpTooth, that'd be the funniest of all worlds =). Actually I hope not, at least not starting with that island =). It's not something to be taken seriously, right?
[11:01:40] <wjp> Jammet: well, we don't really have an official script for it yet, but feel free to write some lines :-)
[11:01:44] <SharpTooth> <grin> If we keep getting people asking to have themselves added, I suppose it's a possibility. But it would certainly look a bit weird.
[11:02:13] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) like, "Can I have my own house?"
[11:02:24] <wjp> don't push it ;-)
[11:02:26] <Jammet> Exult. We create Cities...
[11:02:28] <Jammet> Simcity Exult.
[11:02:38] * SharpTooth giggles. Indeed.
[11:03:21] <Jammet> wjp, =) Okay. I'll write some lines. Some questions =) ... can I write it so that other characters in the Avatar's party can give comments? Like Shamino, Dupre and what not? Shamino hates cats.
[11:04:22] <Jammet> Then I'd need the dimension for a character image in pixels =). Plus how many colors I can use (palette).
[11:05:23] <SharpTooth> Hmm... it should be possible to have party characters make comments if they are in the party. IIRC it's done in the original. And the usecode should be in the creature talking so that's not much of a problem. <ponderfluff>
[11:05:29] <wjp> yeah, you can have other party members respond. (It's possible in usecode)
[11:05:54] <Jammet> Cool, so I can write a real little chat...
[11:06:04] * SharpTooth nods.
[11:06:35] <Jammet> Later I might change things according to what other characters say of course. =) For starters I'll do a chat that doesn't refer to other characters then.
[11:06:58] <Jammet> vi jammet-talk-exult.txt
[11:07:03] <Jammet> Err
[11:07:25] <wjp> :-)
[11:07:39] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Don't you do that all the time anyway? <grin>
[11:07:50] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) Do what?
[11:08:05] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Talk about exult? <grin>
[11:08:29] <Jammet> =) Err that was just the filename for the lines I write down for whatever chat my char has with the party.
[11:08:36] <Jammet> I'm starting editing right now.
[11:08:48] * SharpTooth noddles, he knows. <fangygrin>
[11:08:49] <Jammet> name job bye-- what else can it be for starters...
[11:09:00] <Jammet> name island job bye
[11:09:15] <SharpTooth> 'you can talk?!?'
[11:09:50] <SharpTooth> You can probably steal a couple of options from that talking horse as well. <grin>
[11:09:59] <Jammet> That'll hapen before 'name', like at the start. You double click a kitty and instead of it moewing this chat screen comes up with the picture and a short description of it answering. "Yes?" =)
[11:10:05] <Jammet> Like with the mouse.
[11:10:17] * SharpTooth grins and nods.
[11:10:19] <Jammet> We could be arch enemies =).
[11:10:33] * SharpTooth ROFLs.
[11:11:24] <Jammet> name island talk job bye
[11:11:31] <Jammet> I think that's it. =)
[11:13:51] * SharpTooth ponders and laughs evilly: "job" "I'm a cat! I don't _have_ a job! You're supposed to be worshipping me like a god you fool!" -- Catbert in Ultima7
[11:14:20] <Jammet> =)))
[11:14:28] <Jammet> Cat's don't worship....
[11:14:36] <Jammet> Cats rule the world! Reality Check.
[11:14:55] <Jammet> Not being talked to:
[11:14:55] <Jammet> Daytime: sleeping half hidden in a bush by a tree.
[11:14:55] <Jammet> Nighttime: running around by the tree.
[11:15:25] <SharpTooth> They get worshiped. I blame it on the Egyptians, cat's have been so uppity since they started worshipping one as a god. <grin>
[11:15:38] <Jammet> =) Oh please...
[11:15:44] <wjp> lol
[11:15:47] <Jammet> Have you seen the movie Cats & Dogs?
[11:15:52] <Jammet> It's so dog biased I can't stand it.
[11:15:56] <SharpTooth> Not yet. <grin>
[11:16:04] * Jammet purrs sweetly. =) Seriously, I love cats and I am one.
[11:16:28] <Jammet> I like dogs too. =) Just not if they are as snoddy as their owners =).
[11:16:36] <Jammet> Man... that's jut a can opener.
[11:16:44] <Jammet> just. =)
[11:16:49] <Jammet> Anyways, typing..
[11:18:42] <Jammet> Getting talked to: (Avatar): Here kitty kitty!
[11:18:42] <Jammet> (Shamino): I hate cats!
[11:18:42] <Jammet> (Leopard cub): Yeah?
[11:18:47] * SharpTooth starts playing a tape of a recording of a canopener and hangs it from the ceiling.
[11:19:06] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) Meanie. I'm wild. I don't depend on that.
[11:19:54] * SharpTooth ponders and turns off the tape. If he's wild then it's possibly better _not_ to get him hungry. <noddlenoddlenoddlenod>
[11:23:55] <Jammet> A smallish leopard, surely a cub, looks upwards at you with
[11:23:55] <Jammet> great curiousity. It starts wiggling the nose a little to
[11:23:55] <Jammet> get your scents, noticing with a scared meowing that you
[11:23:58] <Jammet> are wearing wild animal skins. After a moment it regains
[11:23:58] <Jammet> composure and fluffs as if to look a little bigger. "Yes?"
[11:24:07] <Jammet> -- How's that for chat starters? =)
[11:24:21] * SharpTooth smiles and pawclaps. Nice!
[11:24:40] * Jammet giggles! =)
[11:24:47] <Jammet> Please correct whereever possible.
[11:26:37] <SharpTooth> 'it's nose' rather then 'the nose' perhaps? But other then that nothing I noticed.
[11:27:02] <Jammet> great curiousity. It starts wiggling it's nosepad a little to
[11:27:06] <Jammet> Like that?
[11:27:11] <wjp> 'its nose', actually, right?
[11:27:19] <Jammet> Right.
[11:27:28] <Jammet> great curiousity. It starts wiggling its nosepad a little to
[11:27:31] <Jammet> composure and fluffs as if to look a little bigger. "Yeah?"
[11:27:35] <Jammet> Two lines modified.
[11:27:51] * SharpTooth nods.
[11:28:11] <Jammet> [name island talking job bye] name:
[11:28:11] <Jammet> Mommy says I'm Jammet!
[11:28:13] <Jammet> [mommy island talking job bye] mommy:
[11:28:14] <Jammet> She's dead.
[11:28:21] <Jammet> =) She's a furcoat.
[11:29:09] * SharpTooth giggles. Appropriate.
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[11:35:13] <Dominus> hi
[11:35:36] <Jammet> Hej Dominus =)...
[11:35:55] <SharpTooth> ReHi Dominus.
[11:36:00] <Dominus> Jammet, there is a little text file in the source that has some ideas for the island in it
[11:36:13] <Jammet> Can everybody here read my mind? =)
[11:36:30] <SharpTooth> ?logs
[11:36:30] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[11:36:30] <Dominus> he he
[11:36:37] <Jammet> Dominus, ah, I shall add to it ;)
[11:36:39] <Dominus> no but we can read the logs
[11:37:16] <Jammet> Doorbell.
[11:37:20] <Jammet> I gotta run. Be back later
[11:37:29] * Jammet purrs dreamy away... (IamAwayFromTheKeys...) [/ctcp Page On, Mew-Log On]
[11:37:34] <Dominus> DOCS/ISLANDADDON.TXT
[11:39:28] <Dominus> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=483663&group_id=2335&atid=102335 should I close that one as it works for me
[11:40:28] <wjp> that one's probably caused by a savegame started before the bug was fixed
[11:40:41] <wjp> so, yes. you can mark it outdated
[11:40:52] <Dominus> that's basicly what I wrote :-)
[11:41:20] * wjp nods. Didn't see that yet :-)
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[11:51:13] * SharpTooth evilwiggles and considers pestering somebun to get ops, just so he can torture others with topics contining his particular brand of humour.
[11:52:00] * SharpTooth is currently considering "exult: Ultima7 for a GNU generation" as a topic. <grin>
[11:52:02] * wjp is sure he's going to regret this ;-)
[11:52:17] <SharpTooth> You sure?
[11:52:21] * Dominus eyes wjp and hopes he doesn't let cute bunnies with sharp teeth pester him
[11:52:30] <Dominus> ooops, too late
[11:52:43] <Dominus> hm, nickserv is not running?
[11:52:47] --- SharpTooth has changed the topic to: exult: Ultima7 for a GNU generation. <fluff>
[11:52:59] <wjp> Dominus: nope :/
[11:53:11] <Dominus> okay...
[11:53:14] <Dominus> thx
[11:53:33] * SharpTooth bounces higher with the power of Ops(tm). (Available at a supermarket near you!)
[11:54:16] <Dominus> so wjp, what do you say, release day or not?
[11:54:53] <SharpTooth> Nothing of siginificance has changed in the past 5 days, so it'd probably be a good time.
[11:54:57] * wjp nods
[11:55:01] <wjp> yeah, why not :-)
[11:55:53] * Dominus bounces in hope he doesn't have to use those risky snapshots anymore :-)
[11:56:05] <wjp> heh :-)
[11:57:11] * SharpTooth can't figure out _why_ people think the snapshots are risky. After all, they're the same code that the devs use... umm... <grin>
[11:58:20] <Dominus> so what will it be called? 1.0 beta1 or 0.95 bata1?
[11:58:58] <Dominus> definetly not bata1 :-)
[11:59:16] <wjp> 0.99.0beta1 is a possibility
[11:59:42] <wjp> I think that was the original versioning plan that someone (Nadir?) suggested long ago
[12:00:04] <Dominus> yeah, could be, 0.95 would have been another alpha, right?
[12:01:46] <wjp> according to that scheme, yes
[12:10:19] <wjp> I have a class in 30 minutes. I guess I should go :/
[12:10:27] <wjp> see you later
[12:10:32] <Dominus> bye
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[12:17:19] * SharpTooth is amused.
[12:17:53] <SharpTooth> It'll probably just remove my ops again soon. <grin>
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[12:22:16] <Dominus> hehe
[12:27:28] <SharpTooth> Somebun take over your name? <grin>
[12:27:42] <Dominus> ?
[12:28:00] <Dominus> nope Nickserver switched on suddenly...
[12:28:30] <SharpTooth> Nickserv kicked him, so I figured that someone must have his name 'reserved' so it kicked him.
[12:29:24] <Dominus> he has his name reserved but is probably afk and couldnt identify himself
[12:33:40] * SharpTooth ahhs.
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[13:16:54] <Colourless> hi
[13:17:00] <Dominus> hi Colourless
[13:17:18] <Colourless> what's this... that rabbit has ops!! ;-)
[13:17:39] <Dominus> he he
[13:18:35] <SharpTooth> Hello. <bow> And indeed, currently I do. <innocentwiggle>
[13:20:49] <Colourless> innocent... my ass. us dragons aren't fooled that easily :-)
[13:22:46] * SharpTooth wiggles innocently again.
[13:24:09] <Dominus> Colourless: how about adding some information on how to compile Exult with MSVC (if it is needed actually)
[13:24:32] <Colourless> yeah I will...
[13:25:08] * Colourless notes that he hasn't added one of the project files
[13:46:49] <matt__> blast!
[13:47:04] <Dominus> matt__!!!!
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[13:47:09] <matto> Dominus!!!!!!!!!!
[13:47:19] <Dominus> how is your reading ? :-)
[13:47:22] <Colourless> :-)
[13:47:30] <matto> I am almost finished with the book :)
[13:47:31] <Colourless> no, it's supposed to be in capitals !
[13:47:46] <matto> I've read for ... *looks at clock* ouch ... probably 10 straight hours
[13:48:01] <matto> 6:48 AM ... I'm gonna have trouble waking up for work *groan*
[13:48:13] <Dominus> did you get SoT yesterday?
[13:48:25] <matto> book 7 you mean?
[13:48:30] <matto> yes... I went first thing and got it
[13:48:33] <Dominus> yep
[13:48:43] <matto> I had two tests so I couldn't start reading until last night
[13:48:45] * Dominus is jealoud
[13:48:48] <matto> I've been reading ever since :)
[13:48:54] <Dominus> jealous even
[13:48:59] <matto> I didn't know you had read them
[13:49:00] <Dominus> is it good?
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[13:49:11] <Dominus> he he he
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[13:49:21] * SharpTooth stifles a giggle.
[13:49:57] <Dominus> MATT_!!!!
[13:50:17] <matt__> I wasn't aware of this new mandatory ID "feature"
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[13:50:42] <matto> ok there we go
[13:50:53] <matto> anyway... as I was saying... I didn't know you had read them
[13:51:02] <matto> how much have you read?
[13:51:02] <Dominus> matto: Ive read all of the SoT books but wasn't as loud telling everybody
[13:51:27] <Dominus> or better I haven't been on the channel when you were discussing it
[13:51:35] <matto> "I have you read?" <-- ?
[13:52:06] <Dominus> sorry my apostroph
[13:52:11] <matto> ohhh...
[13:52:15] <Dominus> matto: I've read all of the SoT books but wasn't as loud telling everybody
[13:52:29] <Dominus> that was what I was saying
[13:52:31] <matto> oh really?
[13:52:49] <matto> wjp was the one who convinced me to read them :)
[13:53:18] <Dominus> Yep, when I came to this channel I was quite astonished that everyone else has read it as well
[13:53:28] <Dominus> excluding Colourless :-)
[13:53:30] <matto> I feel slightly guilty about getting the book before all of you have it ... but only slightly <grins>
[13:53:44] <Dominus> well, Amazon will ship it eventually
[13:53:58] <matto> when I got to the book store it was sitting there.. glowing ... *SCHWONG* I picked it up and bought it immediately
[13:54:07] <matto> the guy behind the desk said "Second one today. Must be a good book."
[13:54:15] <Dominus> he he
[13:54:15] <matto> "It just came out today," I replied enthusiastically.
[13:54:17] <matto> hehehe
[13:54:27] <Dominus> did you read the Otherland series by Tad Williams?
[13:54:32] <matto> no
[13:54:42] <Dominus> Do it!!!
[13:54:51] <Dominus> that's an order
[13:54:52] <matto> well.. ok :)
[13:55:00] <matto> I think SoT is my favorite series
[13:55:12] <matto> it is amazingly good :)
[13:55:30] <matto> I wish he wouldn't be so graphic sometimes though ...
[13:55:43] <Dominus> yeah, mine too but the only thing I find annoying is that he stumbles from one book to the other
[13:55:57] <Dominus> rather schematic
[13:56:08] <matto> I have a hard time recommending his books to anyone because I am too embarrassed about them reading some of the scenes he puts in there
[13:56:25] <matto> I like the way he has closure after each book :)
[13:56:27] <Dominus> :-)
[13:56:32] <matto> much more satisfying than Wheel of Time
[13:56:50] <Dominus> I didn't read that series :-)
[13:56:52] <SharpTooth> SoT, expansion please? <queryfluff>
[13:56:57] <matto> Sword of Truth
[13:57:22] <matto> well Wheel of Time is loved by many people but it's becoming a chore for me to read it ... SoT is a joy
[13:57:28] <SharpTooth> Thanks. Since everyone else seems to like them, I might have to get one or two of them.
[13:57:38] <Dominus> get the first one
[13:57:39] <matto> I am about to write Goodkind and tell him that I am deeply in love with Kahlan and it's all his fault
[13:57:41] <matto> hehehe
[13:57:49] <Dominus> it will get you hooked up in no time
[13:57:51] <matto> yes the first one is great
[13:58:02] <matto> I'm in the middle of the 3rd one again
[13:58:08] <matto> but of course today I skipped right to book 7 :)
[13:58:16] * Dominus has to read them again too
[13:58:33] <matto> book 7 is really good ... I am burning to know what is going to happen
[13:58:48] <matto> so many unexplained mysteries which I simply can't figure out ... but which I know will all be explained at the end of the book :)
[13:58:55] <Dominus> I'm finding that I can't recall everything you are talking about those books anymore, that's why it seems I have to read them again
[13:59:09] * SharpTooth reads the scrollback. You creatures talk too much. <grin> Graphic? More specifics if you will. <innocentwiggle>
[14:00:14] <matto> SharpTooth: in book 2 he has a scene with a monster raping a sorceress ... it was pretty disgusting... and in book 4 he had a scene of a whore being vividly tortured and killed.. it is pretty disturbing
[14:00:19] <matto> I don't think he needs to be so graphic in his writing
[14:00:26] <matto> fortunately, those scenes are few and far between
[14:00:31] <Dominus> SharpTooth: I think his books should actually come with a "Warning - features sexual scenes which others might find offensive" in the US
[14:01:10] <Dominus> or whatever the wording is in the US
[14:01:16] <matto> there are many people who I want to read these books but which I won't recommend them to... simply because of some of the scenes
[14:01:21] <SharpTooth> <nod> No problem. People just tend to define 'graphic' in different ways. <grin> I wasn't sure if it was just a sex scene or something 'more'.
[14:01:24] <matto> err recommend these books to
[14:01:41] <matto> SharpTooth: there are also some disturbing violence scenes ... and quite a bit of rape
[14:02:04] <matto> the one thing that is worth keeping in mind is that the hero of the series is a very moral person and someone whom the reader admires
[14:02:46] <Dominus> I still think there is a big picture hinted at in the series that I somehow missed as the books were so much apart in real time
[14:02:49] * SharpTooth nods. He has no particular problem with any of this, he's read books with similar scenes before.
[14:03:28] <SharpTooth> I'll definately have to grab the first book and read through it.
[14:03:36] <matto> Dominus: well he definitely has messages in his books... most of which I agree with, some of which I don't, but that's ok :)
[14:03:38] <Dominus> matto: interesting fact - the German version of book 2 was split into two or three books
[14:03:55] <matto> book 2 was quite long.. I finished it not long ago :)
[14:03:58] <matto> awesome book.. hehe
[14:04:30] <Dominus> which made talking to my friends who read it as well, quite interesting as when I talked about book three they meant a total different story :-)
[14:04:41] <matto> hehe
[14:05:17] <matto> welp.. I think I'm gonna go read a bit more book 7 :)
[14:05:24] <Dominus> I've only read them in English, I'm not even sure which book is now translated in German
[14:05:29] <matto> I simply have to find out what's going to happen :)
[14:05:32] <Dominus> enjoy
[14:05:49] <matto> Dominus: I think that a lot would be lost in translating it to a different language
[14:05:59] <matto> he commands the English language very well
[14:06:11] * SharpTooth is giggling reading one of the old interviews with Warren Spector about SI.
[14:06:15] <Dominus> depends on who is translating and in books you can work around it
[14:06:41] <Dominus> translated English movies or series can be quite annoying
[14:06:53] <matto> ;)
[14:07:12] <Dominus> I've started reading English after I've read Stephen Kings Salem in German
[14:07:19] <Dominus> the worst mistakes ever
[14:07:25] <matto> hehe
[14:07:44] <matto> ok.. goodnight / morning, whatever
[14:07:49] <Dominus> 1st the main character was selling reality (not realty)
[14:07:58] <matto> I'm off to read then sleep .. I will for sure finish the book tonight at the latest.. hehe
[14:08:13] <Dominus> tell us then
[14:08:18] <matto> realty!! hehe
[14:08:23] * SharpTooth bows. "Bye."
[14:08:33] <matto> don't worry I won't spoil the book for you ... :)
[14:08:34] <Dominus> ah, don't tell us
[14:09:02] <matto> Max wanted me to scan it in and send it to him.. haha
[14:09:07] <matto> I might scan in chapter 1 :)
[14:09:16] <Dominus> send one to me as well
[14:09:17] <Dominus> :-)
[14:09:28] <Dominus> hm, chapter one would be nice :-)
[14:09:56] <matto> ;)
[14:10:14] <Dominus> or I could have a look at those e-bookz newsgroups...
[14:10:34] <Dominus> nope, it's ordered from Amazon, I can wait
[14:10:47] <SharpTooth> Dominus: But that wouldn't be virtuous. <grin>
[14:11:13] <Dominus> well, I've ordered it and will pay for the book anyway :-)
[14:24:58] <SharpTooth> Hmm... lots of posts on the forum the last couple of days. Not many of them that are actually relevant to exult though. <grin>
[14:25:17] <Dominus> he he
[14:25:32] <Colourless> :-)
[14:27:24] * SharpTooth happybounces, he's found _one_ post out of the last dozen he read that is actually related to exult!
[14:29:40] --- Dominus is now known as Dominus|away
[14:34:04] * SharpTooth grabs a can of paint and hops over and pants Dominus' feet a bright fluroescent pink, stashing the can and the brush under the couch before hopping on top of it and looking innocent.
[15:23:57] * Jammet *jumps* to his little paws! BAAACK! =) [Mew-Log End]
[15:24:55] * Jammet leaps up from behind the couch, cubpurrs sweeetly, eyes closed, cubyawning with the little muzzle wiiide open, presenting you all those little tiny fine leopard cub teeth and fangs - what a ferucious beast.
[15:25:31] * Jammet purrs happily, closes his muzzle, opens his eyes, wiggles his nosepad, nuzzles SharpTooth and smiles happily, "Happy Ops, and starts to sniff Dominus colors.
[15:28:18] * Dominus|away takes out his big mf two-handed hammer and tries to hammer either SharpTooth or Jammet
[15:28:31] * Dominus|away washes off the colour
[15:28:37] <Dominus|away> me is away again
[15:29:45] * Jammet is looking scared at the big hammer and mewls, not being guilty anyways, and purrs soothingly, and leaps way out of reach.
[15:31:16] * Dominus|away sings while going away: Colour me once, colour me twice, colour me bad!
[15:31:50] <Jammet> =) No way. I'm not into color thingies. I colorize a lot but not with paint.
[15:31:53] * SharpTooth wiggles innocently.
[15:32:10] <Colourless> as I said before, you are not innocent!
[15:32:20] * SharpTooth colours with pixels.
[15:32:51] <Jammet> =)
[15:33:19] <Jammet> SharpTooth, this is how I colorize =).
[15:33:44] <SharpTooth> Colourless: Wrong character. <grin> I'm innocent, a couple of my writer's other characters are, however less innocent. <innocentwiggle>
[15:33:53] <Jammet> Of course the piccie is bad =) but that's just an example.
[15:34:31] * Jammet grooms his fur softly and makes lots of little furrows into it instead of getting it cleaner, mewling as he notices. So much to learn.
[15:34:39] <Colourless> SharpTooth: [1:08] * SharpTooth grabs a can of paint and hops over and pants Dominus' feet a bright fluroescent pink, stashing the can and the brush under the couch before hopping on top of it and looking innocent.
[15:34:41] * SharpTooth aah!s. "Nice!"
[15:34:52] <Colourless> what do you say about that?
[15:35:40] <Jammet> Hej Colourless =)
[15:35:42] * SharpTooth paws the evidence under the couch, along with the paint can and brush. "Nothing. You can't prove anything." <itybity-fangy-grin>
[15:35:48] * Jammet snuggles playfully against SharpTooth.
[15:36:20] * SharpTooth snuggles playfully back and paws at your fur
[15:36:26] * Jammet playpawpaws the bunny nose and watches it wiggle, sniffs it and rubs the leopard cub nose against it, crouches, leaps over SharpTooth to his other side, spins around and happypounces over him again.
[15:36:35] * Jammet purrrs, sitting still. =)
[15:36:54] * SharpTooth eeplefluffs and the bouncing kitty.
[15:37:13] <Jammet> http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=33
[15:37:23] <Jammet> I got a small Gimp user gallery there if you wanna see more of my art.
[15:37:50] <Jammet> But this is older, and I concentrated more on colorizing there and not my drawings.
[15:38:46] <SharpTooth> Cool. <drool> I wish I could draw/colour as nicely.
[15:39:02] <Jammet> Whoa, you must've got a fast connection.
[15:39:09] * Jammet mews sweetly, wanting one so badly.
[15:39:15] <SharpTooth> Cable. <innocentwiggle>
[15:39:46] * Jammet flops over sideways and stretches a leg to lick to the paw and get that clean, having noticed a little colour that doesn't belong there.
[15:40:30] <Jammet> I'm background artist for Fate of Atlantis II, but the pictures in there won't be used, so I could put them up on the gallery months ago.
[15:40:44] <Jammet> It's harder to pixel in low res and palette limitation ... whew.
[15:40:57] * SharpTooth hops over you and rubs his side playfully along your back.
[15:41:25] * SharpTooth awefluffs.
[15:41:55] * Jammet purrs purrs thankfully and hops back to all fours, feeling so tickled that he speeds in circles around you twice, and curls his tailtip around your right ear once.
[15:42:01] * Jammet leaps sideways, looking hungry.
[15:43:00] * SharpTooth eeplefluffs hops backwards, feeling somewhat like dinner in the wrong sense.
[15:43:44] * Jammet sniffsniffs for the fish he was catching today and is a bit better at clawing it out of the grass and licks it for a while before eating, mew!
[15:43:56] <Jammet> We leopard cubs love fish too =). We just rarely if ever get to eat it.
[15:44:48] <SharpTooth> I like that tshirt picture, especially the back side of it. <grin>
[15:44:57] * Jammet giggles! =) Thanks.
[15:46:15] * SharpTooth fluffs somewhat happier, he's gotten a bit too used to being considered a source of food for his liking.
[15:46:53] * Jammet doesn't see bunnies as food, he's chasing little tiny gazelle, mice and all that, being just about the same size as you. Mrrow =).
[15:47:07] * Jammet plays around with the fish, trying to scare it into running away.
[15:47:21] * Jammet eats up and mrrws sweetly, laying there dreaming.
[15:49:34] * SharpTooth didn't read the title of the 'Zeh-64' pic before he looked at it and did a double take. The '4' did not look like a '4'. <not-so-innocentwiggle>
[15:50:58] <Jammet> Mew? Four?
[15:50:59] * SharpTooth occasionaly thinks he thinks a bit weird. Then he sees what some people post on the forums. <boggle>
[15:51:07] * Jammet looks up all confused. What picture?
[15:52:37] <SharpTooth> Don't worry, just my writer's not-so-innocent mind. <grin> On page 3, a windows background picture (Zeh64) with the font used in it the '4' looks like a '9'.
[15:53:57] <Jammet> =) That picture was not ever intended to look good, in fact I overdid everything so badly, like putting in way too many cheap light effects and all that...
[15:54:25] <Jammet> =) Yes the number could be mistaken.
[15:54:42] * Colourless has to go see this picture :-)
[15:55:20] <Jammet> http://sunsite.dk/~staun/GUGpics/974891557.jpg
[15:55:25] <SharpTooth> I don't particularly mind it, it's quiet pretty. <grin> I'm just multitasking between half a dozen different things and... err... well I don't think I was completely focusing on it at the time. <grin>
[15:55:29] <Colourless> that is not a 4!
[15:55:42] <Jammet> =) It is a 4.
[15:55:44] * Jammet giggles.
[15:55:59] * Jammet shrugs, "And so what if it isn't =) - even better. The C64 is a darn nice thingy."
[15:56:07] <SharpTooth> <grin> It is if you look closely at the raised spots on the number, but it looks like a 9 at first glance.
[15:57:08] <Jammet> =) The whole pic is supposed to say like "Almighty Power of C64 owns you" =).
[15:57:09] * SharpTooth feels somewhat vindicated that he doesn't have as dirty a mind as he thought he had... or something.
[15:57:12] * Jammet giggles.
[15:57:30] * SharpTooth will agree with that, the C64 was a nice machine.
[15:57:49] * Jammet mews all confused at SharpTooth, not understanding, "You're always so nice to me.. I'm sorry if I said anything wrong?"
[15:59:20] * SharpTooth smiles and paws playfully at your ear. "Did you do something wrong? <puzzledfluff> I don't know of anything you did wrong."
[16:00:13] * Jammet mews thankfully, catching the paw with quick little paw-tag...
[16:01:11] <Jammet> I'm unable to compile anything using OpenGL ... gl.h is missing. That's a header file... for what? Mesa? I have to install a nvidia lib to get my card working, and there is no such file in it.
[16:01:19] * SharpTooth eepfluffs and tries to pounce lightly on your paw, not quite succeeding.
[16:01:41] <SharpTooth> Urk. I had that problem, now if I can only remember how I fixed it.
[16:02:05] * Jammet withdraws the paw quickly, and puts it ontop of your head when you land in front of him, feeling so happy that he can play freely here, no meanies being around chasing for cloaks.
[16:02:09] * Jammet speeds around you...
[16:02:22] <Colourless> you should be able to get gl/gl.h from just about anywhere
[16:02:36] <SharpTooth> Ok I have copies in /usr/include/GL/gl.h and /usr/share/doc/packages/nv_glx/usr/include/GL/gl.h
[16:03:03] <Jammet> Colourless, Oh. nv_glx? That's what I have.
[16:03:14] <Jammet> Riva TNT2, nvidia's own binary library which is needed, no?
[16:03:48] <Colourless> yeah, you'll need to link against a OpenGL library
[16:03:52] <Jammet> No GL dir in /usr/include here.
[16:04:11] <Jammet> Okay, so I would have to compile Mesa? I thought I should never compile Mesa when using this nvidia thing.
[16:04:24] <Jammet> Jammet,/usr # find -name gl.h
[16:04:24] <Colourless> no, you shouldn't need to
[16:04:25] <Jammet> ./share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/usr/include/GL/gl.h
[16:04:39] <SharpTooth> /usr/include also includes (among other things) xmesa.h glut.h glu.h and glx.h
[16:04:43] <Colourless> just add /share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/usr/include to the header search path
[16:05:08] <Jammet> Will it work if I create /usr/include/GL/gl.h ?
[16:05:15] <Colourless> yeah
[16:05:16] <Jammet> (copying the file in the docs dir)
[16:05:23] <Jammet> Okay. =) Trying.
[16:05:26] <Colourless> that should be fine
[16:05:29] <SharpTooth> <nod> Hopefully. <grin>
[16:06:20] <Colourless> the difference between the Nvidia headers and for example headers from SGI is the Nvidia headers will include all of their extensions.
[16:06:23] <Jammet> Let's see... cd armagetron...
[16:06:51] <Jammet> checking for main in -lGLU... no
[16:06:52] <Jammet> configure: error:
[16:06:52] <Jammet> You need GLU to compile Armagetron; it SHOULD have come with Mesa.
[16:06:52] <Jammet> Read the file LIBS.
[16:07:13] <Colourless> you need the GL Utility Libraru
[16:07:14] <Colourless> y
[16:07:19] <Jammet> I'm just confused 'cause all the opengl apps want their GLU/Mesa and what not and I don't know what I must _not_ install because I want nothing to replce the nvidia files...
[16:07:35] <Jammet> Okay, this GLU ... to get it, will I have to compile Mesa?
[16:08:10] <Colourless> glu is the OpenGL Utility Library, usually you need the utility library that matched the version of OpenGL that you have. Nvidia may have it
[16:08:29] <Jammet> Hmm...
[16:08:32] <Jammet> I'll try to find that.
[16:08:37] <SharpTooth> Mesa shouldn't replace any nvidia files. OpenGL is technically driver indepenant and just talks to the driver.
[16:08:48] <Jammet> Can you do 'whereis glu' or 'man glu' and find an URL?
[16:09:37] <Colourless> does Nvidia glx have libglu.a ?
[16:10:21] <Jammet> Jammet,/usr # find -name libglu.a
[16:10:21] <Jammet> Jammet,/usr #
[16:10:37] <Jammet> Nope.
[16:10:44] <Jammet> Nothing in /lib either.
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[16:46:31] <Jammet> Okay, I'll just forget about compiling GL stuff ever. I don't want to put up with this until I've learned all about it. Geeze. Nvidia...they could've well included that stuff in their RPM.
[16:46:33] <wjp> found him! ;-)
[16:46:37] <Jammet> Silly binary only.
[16:46:38] * SharpTooth snuggles Jammet happily back. It's nice when things 'work' even for such wrong values of work. <smile>
[16:46:58] <SB-X> Jammet: all GL stuff was installed for me when i got XFree86 4
[16:47:08] <SharpTooth> Jammet: I agree, the binary is a bit of a pain.
[16:47:20] * Jammet noddles sweetly and purrs to SharpTooth =~) I'm using this stuff since so many years now. I can put up with anything, but gaming and 3d is less important.. . but I'm so glad Exult isn't 3d... I love that.
[16:47:54] <Jammet> SB-X, well, =) I'm not one of the 'linux from shelf'... I built it almost entirely.
[16:48:02] <Jammet> Cha-os.
[16:48:08] <SB-X> oh... i just have slackware
[16:48:17] <Colourless> what you don't want Exult to be 3d??? You must be the first person to think that
[16:49:00] <Jammet> Colourless, okay, you can use OpenGL to smooth it's graphics even better than SuperEagle... but I won't use it.
[16:49:09] <SharpTooth> Jammet: I've only been playing with linux for a year or so. I've been meaning to build one from scratch, I just lack the spare machine and hardrive at the moment. <grin>
[16:49:23] <SharpTooth> Colourless: Make that 2. <grin>
[16:49:26] <SB-X> i would use an opengl exult if it ran faster... i cant run scaling as of yet
[16:49:38] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) And I lack experience... with 3d ... oh my god if I had known... but at least the card is decent.
[16:50:07] <Colourless> Actually, it won't look better than SuperEagle as OpenGL uses Bilinear Filtering
[16:50:20] <Jammet> SB-X, well - look at SNES emulator source code for example. Zsnes and so forth use OpenGL and sometimes glide to smooth 2D graphics and speed it up.
[16:50:23] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Another to try is the x86glu, I think it's SGI's one. That might work.
[16:50:26] <Jammet> Colourless, ok.
[16:50:36] <Jammet> SharpTooth, not today =) I'm finished.
[16:50:37] <Colourless> it will just be faster
[16:50:51] <Jammet> Colourless, =) Okay.
[16:51:04] * SB-X seems to have an ancient computer.
[16:51:14] <Jammet> Who invented SuperEagle anyways? I first saw it in the SNES emulator.
[16:51:20] * SB-X dusts it off.
[16:51:26] <SB-X> _Kreed_?
[16:51:28] <Jammet> Egytian computers...
[16:51:33] <Jammet> Who's kreed =)...
[16:51:42] <wjp> take a look at the people in the channel :-)
[16:51:53] <Jammet> Ah, there he is =).
[16:51:57] <Jammet> Or She.
[16:52:03] * Jammet purrs sweetly at Kreed.
[16:52:06] <Colourless> it was kreed :-)
[16:52:09] <wjp> he, AFAIK
[16:52:14] <Jammet> =) How come the emulators used that too? Did they get the GPL'd code?
[16:52:15] <Colourless> who is probably asleep
[16:52:21] <wjp> asleep? nah
[16:52:26] <wjp> it's 6pm here
[16:52:29] <SB-X> he let them use it
[16:52:39] <Jammet> What is this other mode? Doubled-Super Eagle?
[16:52:42] <Colourless> and it is no GPL'ed as well
[16:52:48] <Colourless> now GPL'ed
[16:53:12] <Jammet> Ah, okay. Such lovely mechanism should be open =). Used for many more old games.
[16:53:22] <Jammet> You could polish up good old Dune 2 =).
[16:53:23] <Jammet> <giggle>
[16:53:28] <SB-X> 2xSai looks better to me than SuperEagle which looks like oil painting
[16:53:42] <Jammet> Or ultima Underworld. I still play that soundless in DOSemu.
[16:53:52] <Jammet> What is 2xSai?
[16:53:59] <SB-X> the other mode
[16:54:05] <Colourless> one of Kreed's scalers
[16:54:18] <Colourless> There is also Super2xSaI
[16:54:25] <Jammet> Usually I take bilinear... don't ask me why. I guess I love it old stylish. It was a DOS game after all. But -- if you started to make actual high res graphics I'd paint some.
[16:54:38] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Or System Shock 1, Master of Magic, Master of Orion, X-Com (1 and 2). They're all waiting for people to write 'emulators' for. <grin>
[16:54:40] <Jammet> Colourless, is that a mixture or two passes?
[16:54:55] <Jammet> SharpTooth, Oh yes! Especially System Shock and UW!
[16:55:06] * SB-X doesn't scale it at all.
[16:55:16] <Colourless> you'd have to ask kreed exactly what the different between 2xSaI and Super2xSaI
[16:55:24] <Jammet> UW is such a lovely world. =) I loved 'living' int here... it is so .. alive ... it is so amazing this game. Exploring dark caverns... it was gloomy...
[16:55:42] * SharpTooth has a game of System Shock 2 running on the doze computer at the moment, which he takes occasional breaks from irc once every hour or so to play. <grin>
[16:55:47] <Jammet> SB-X, sometimes I disable filtering. Scaling I never do. I never play this at more than 320x240 or alike/filtered.
[16:55:56] <Jammet> I consider higher resolutions cheating =).
[16:56:08] <SB-X> i dont either
[16:56:11] <wjp> 320x240 is already cheating ;-)
[16:56:13] <Jammet> SharpTooth, it's so scary...
[16:56:15] <SB-X> i play at 320x200
[16:56:25] <Jammet> wjp, wasn't 320x240 the original res?
[16:56:29] <wjp> 320x200
[16:56:30] <SharpTooth> I run it at 400x300 IIRC, it's too tiny on my monitor otherwise.
[16:56:31] <Colourless> no, 320x200 was
[16:56:34] <Jammet> Oh.
[16:56:40] <Jammet> =) Gee, I'll change it then.
[16:56:40] <SharpTooth> (scaled x2 that is)
[16:56:45] <SB-X> fullscreen
[16:56:58] <Jammet> Yeah, I can't stand the 'tiny' look anyways. =)
[16:57:00] <SB-X> old-school style
[16:57:13] <SharpTooth> SB-X: That results in pixels getting close to 10mm high. <grin>
[16:57:21] <Colourless> System Shock and Ultima Underworld: http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/tsshp/sshock.html
[16:57:22] <Jammet> By the way: Can I take revenge on the animal trap layer in SI? I hate to see animals slaughtered for fur.
[16:57:33] <SB-X> i didnt measure it, but i would use a scalar if i could
[16:57:54] <Jammet> Colourless, =) I've been sharing lots of such URLs here last time I was there and we talked about it. Soundtracks and all that.
[16:58:02] <Jammet> I was most amazed that there is a UW revival project ongoing.
[16:58:05] <SharpTooth> Colourless: <nod> I've got that on my system at the moment, it kind of works. <grin> It's very cool though.
[16:58:11] <SB-X> hmm "Super2XSaiBiPointlaced" scalar
[16:58:13] <Colourless> :-)
[16:58:16] <Jammet> But they don't just create a new engine, they redo all graphics =(.
[16:58:52] <Jammet> SharpTooth, this System shock thing, it'd work if he finally would get --bpp 16 to work there.
[16:59:00] <Colourless> TSSHP is pretty much the same sort of thing as Exult but for System Shock and the underworlds
[16:59:05] <Jammet> I find it weird having to switch to 8 bits per pixel every time I launch that.
[16:59:18] <Jammet> Colourless, yes =). Just please... --bpp 16!
[16:59:21] <SB-X> what is System Shock?
[16:59:26] <SharpTooth> They should be recreating the engine to allow for higher resolution graphics, but just use the current ones at the moment.
[16:59:42] <Jammet> SB-X, Ultime Underworld going Science-fiction-Cyper-Horror.
[16:59:55] <Colourless> it does work in higher reses
[17:00:06] <Colourless> it's damn slow though... really needs 3d accelerations
[17:00:12] <Jammet> SharpTooth, the CD version of system shock already had up to 640x480 ...
[17:00:13] <SharpTooth> SB-X: SS2 adds RPG like elements and uses the Thief engine.
[17:00:20] <SB-X> i never played Ultima Underworld :O
[17:00:24] <Jammet> Oh yes it is really slow.
[17:00:26] <SB-X> hrmm but i have played Thief heh
[17:00:34] <SB-X> the demo
[17:00:35] <SharpTooth> Jammet: <nod> And all the voices. <drool>
[17:00:54] <Jammet> SB-X, you missed quite something, even if UW was the first of such games I've ever played, it is the most memoriable one of the bunch, apart from system shock.
[17:01:12] <Jammet> SharpTooth, Oh yes! I wanted to rip Shodan's scary voice somehow but failed.
[17:01:20] <Jammet> Wanted that for computer events here.
[17:01:31] <SharpTooth> Colourless: I agree, I was getting 30 frames a second at the 320x240 res, but if I knocked it up to 640x480 it would drop down to about 1 fps.
[17:01:57] <Jammet> I strongly hope they inprove the user interface for SS...
[17:02:03] <Jammet> At least to customize the keys.
[17:02:14] <SharpTooth> Jammet: I think there is a program to play the sounds that comes with tsshp.
[17:02:16] <SB-X> what did i miss? is UW(UnderWorld?) like the other Ultimas?
[17:02:24] <Jammet> SharpTooth, If there is I'd love to have that! =)
[17:02:29] <SharpTooth> Jammet: They have customised keys. <grin>
[17:02:30] <SB-X> what is TSSHP?
[17:02:41] <Jammet> SB-X, UW is different but you missed it. TSSHP is Exult for System Shock.
[17:03:10] * SB-X looks at the URL
[17:03:12] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) That's good ... but as far as I know you can't play the game at all right now. The story line also isn't working, you can just roam about the levels... right?
[17:03:26] <SharpTooth> In the readme under "Bugs and Problems": "It's very slow." <grin>
[17:03:49] <SharpTooth> Jammet: <nod> That seems to be how it works at the moment, it's primitive but looks promising.
[17:03:52] <Jammet> That'll change. If I could code good I'd join. I hope he'll go on with this.
[17:04:15] <Jammet> SharpTooth, It looks promising considering that one person alone is doing that.. .he needs support really badly.. before it's just another dead end.
[17:04:32] <Jammet> I tried the UW map explorer he wrote/
[17:04:45] <Jammet> Light doesn't work in it, everyhting is allways at full brightness but it was way cool.
[17:04:51] <Jammet> Opengl of course.
[17:05:04] <SB-X> OK nevermind i didnt find Ultima on that page
[17:05:12] * SB-X ignores the discussion about games he's never heard of.
[17:05:17] <SharpTooth> Jammet: According to SF there is actually 4 devs on staff.
[17:05:18] <Jammet> Hmm...
[17:05:31] <Jammet> SharpTooth, Oh! That is on sourceforge?? =)
[17:06:02] <Jammet> Found it.
[17:06:07] <Colourless> yeah it's on sourceforge
[17:06:08] <SharpTooth> Jammet: <nod> I was tempted to sit down and look through the code, but I've enough on my hands with exult at the moment. <grin>
[17:06:34] * SharpTooth arughfluffs, he has _far_ too many windows open on his desktops.
[17:06:38] <Jammet> SharpTooth, I can't access the homepage of the TSSHP ... =/ routing problem.
[17:06:38] <Colourless> i've got some screenshots of System Shock 2 here (took them to show a custo
[17:06:38] <Colourless> p://www.users.on.net/triforce/mesh/
[17:06:49] <Colourless> hmmm.
[17:06:53] <Colourless> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/mesh/
[17:06:55] <Jammet> Colourless, normal screenies or anything special?
[17:07:07] <Colourless> nothing obviously special
[17:07:34] <Jammet> There is a way to rip all the cool sounds out of SS2 I know... but I don't know how.
[17:07:44] <Colourless> just some pictures around deck 5 of a custom model I made
[17:07:51] <Jammet> Sigh. Well, without windows I can't play ss2.
[17:07:57] <Colourless> Jammet: the .crf files are just zip files renamed
[17:08:00] <SharpTooth> Jammet: The files are just zip files. Just rename them and unzip them.
[17:08:04] <Jammet> SharpTooth, with waves in them?
[17:08:07] <Colourless> yeah
[17:08:12] <Jammet> Cool! =)
[17:08:14] <Jammet> I'll do that.
[17:08:18] * SharpTooth nods. Very cool.
[17:08:34] <Jammet> No, wait. I remember - I know that. I had done that.
[17:08:47] <SB-X> hehe
[17:08:48] <Jammet> I couldn't play the wav's cause they use something else than RIFF/PCM.
[17:08:54] <Jammet> Just a few did.
[17:08:55] <Colourless> ADPCM
[17:09:06] <Colourless> IMA ADPCM to be exact
[17:09:18] <Jammet> No idea how to play that in linux.
[17:09:23] <Jammet> wavplay can only do riff.
[17:09:41] <Colourless> they are still RIFF, but not PCM :-)
[17:09:51] <Jammet> Ah.
[17:10:06] <Jammet> Colourless, there should be a hotkey in SS2 for screenshots =) if you want to get rid of ads.
[17:10:08] <Colourless> IMA ADPCM is a fairly standard compression format
[17:10:17] <Colourless> yeah I know there is a hot key
[17:10:24] <Colourless> those shots are old
[17:10:39] <Colourless> i think i have a cupple around without add somewhere
[17:10:45] <Jammet> Colourless, last time I played SS2 I stopped exactly where you are now. Did you find the goddamn key missing? I found it... I found it after 4 WEEKS searching.
[17:11:01] <Jammet> How was I supposed to know I should go all over the levels again...
[17:11:08] <SharpTooth> Which missing key?
[17:11:17] <Jammet> Spoiler warning.
[17:11:20] <Jammet> Wanna know?
[17:11:34] <SharpTooth> <nod> I've finished the game a dozen times. <grin>
[17:11:38] <Jammet> Oh.
[17:11:47] <Jammet> I mean the key on the dead body, second floor or so.
[17:12:01] <Jammet> The key that _WAS NOT THERE_ when you first searched the body.
[17:12:06] * SB-X notes that "Spoiler warning." probably doesn't work on IRC.
[17:12:06] <Jammet> Grrr.
[17:12:26] <Colourless> :-)
[17:12:27] <Jammet> The key just suddenly appears in the dead guy's pocket.
[17:12:31] * SharpTooth ahhs. "I never encountered that problem, thankfully."
[17:13:06] <Jammet> SharpTooth, never? But you need that key to open the very last door in the complex with the small security doors where you have to follow some robots and smash them to get the other keys.
[17:13:38] <Jammet> By the way, I'm surprised at the good german localization of SS1 and SS2.
[17:13:42] <Jammet> Really well done.
[17:13:59] <Colourless> oh wow, as if this aint a really classy screenshot: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/dump023.jpg :-)
[17:14:13] <SharpTooth> <blink> Where is this? <grin> I can't really remember having to do that.
[17:14:43] <SharpTooth> Then again, I just hack through everything anyway. <grin>
[17:14:46] <Jammet> Looks like a wall to me.
[17:14:53] <Colourless> yeah
[17:15:11] <Jammet> =) I never tried that ball thingy for psycho abilities.
[17:15:16] <Jammet> I wanted an SS1 like gameplay.
[17:15:23] <SharpTooth> It looks like he's attacking the wall with a spoon to me. <grin>
[17:15:31] <Colourless> also with a weapon that wasn't in the game (the spoon) which I made as a joke :-)
[17:15:56] <Jammet> =) By the way, did you read this article from somebody with an alternative storyline for SS2?
[17:16:02] <Colourless> yeah
[17:16:11] <Jammet> I was amazed. If they had designed the game after his ideas... would've been so much better.
[17:16:35] <Colourless> would have been different... better, maybe
[17:16:49] <wjp> Colourless: what was that libz #define again?
[17:17:01] <SharpTooth> Jammet: It's really, _really_ easy with the psychic thing. For example with under about 20 points in psi skills you can get psi healing which means you really don't need any other healing in the game, even if you're just a gunbunny. <grin>
[17:17:09] <Jammet> The only thing I really dislike about SS2 is the psycho abilities...
[17:17:16] <Colourless> HAVE_ZIP_SUPPORT
[17:17:28] <Jammet> SharpTooth, oh...!
[17:17:31] <wjp> thanks
[17:17:36] <Colourless> i hardly ever used them. Everytime I played it was a as hacker
[17:17:46] <Jammet> SharpTooth, I didn't know that. Well I purposely dropped everything with this psycho stuff because it was unrealistic..
[17:17:58] * wjp is getting the BeOS port up to date, btw, in case you're wondering
[17:18:08] <Colourless> oh :-)
[17:18:09] * Jammet purrs to wjp =) ..
[17:18:21] <Jammet> Why the way I'm still writing my dialouge lines for our island =).
[17:18:30] <Colourless> had a lot of fun playing COOP sshock2
[17:18:31] <SB-X> those screenshots made me think of Doom... but better looking
[17:18:35] <SharpTooth> Colourless: I've only just started a game with a marine who just grabs a couple of tech abilities, all the other games it's been almost a pure marine with a little weapons ability.
[17:18:36] <Jammet> Are there monkeys anywhere in SI/BG? We could perisflage Monkey Island...
[17:18:54] <Jammet> SB-X, definately better looking =).
[17:18:55] <Colourless> there are the emps, they are pretty close to monkey :-)
[17:19:01] <SharpTooth> Colourless: Coop is fun!
[17:19:03] <Jammet> Colourless, =) coool...
[17:19:16] <Jammet> What? Coop SS2? Huh?
[17:19:18] <Jammet> How?
[17:19:32] <SB-X> Jammet: that is first thing that came to my mind because i havnt played many first person games
[17:19:33] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Grab the patch, it fixes a couple of bugs, and adds multiplayer coop.
[17:19:33] <Colourless> with the multiplayer patch
[17:19:44] <Jammet> SB-X, same here =).
[17:20:00] <Jammet> SharpTooth, you can play the WHOLE storyline together? What do you look like from outside?
[17:20:04] <SharpTooth> Jammet: It also allows you do fiddle with the gun degradation values and monster spawn values as well.
[17:20:25] <Jammet> SharpTooth, Cool! One major annoyance in SS2 is monsters that keep coming back.
[17:20:26] <SharpTooth> Jammet: The same as in the intro movie when you awaken at the start of the game.
[17:20:51] <Jammet> SharpTooth, just curious, if it was easy to get the coop mode in - was it there before ? Just disabled? And if so, why?
[17:20:52] <SharpTooth> Jammet: (respawn) That's the first thing I do, minimise the respawning, you don't stop it, but it drops it down a bit.
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[17:21:13] <SB-X> ...
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[17:21:42] <Jammet> Whee..
[17:21:43] <SharpTooth> (coop) From the look of it, it wasn't there. It was apparently planned, but wasn't finished properly before release.
[17:21:48] <Jammet> Sorry, somehow my client got lost.
[17:21:52] <Colourless> :-)
[17:21:59] <Colourless> [3:55] *** Jammet has quit IRC ("User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's")
[17:22:15] <Jammet> Colourless, my terminal was gone seemingly... froze.
[17:23:24] <Jammet> Sometimes I wish I could play SS1 and stuff better in the Dos Emu but it mostly doesn't work for games....
[17:23:54] <SB-X> is this game(s) or whatever you guys are talking about buyable somewhere? or downloadable or what?
[17:23:57] <SharpTooth> Jammet: VMWare works wonderfully, but I haven't been able to get it to compile yet.
[17:24:06] <Colourless> one time I played coop and we just cheated and gave ourselves 1000+ cybermodules and all the best weapons. that was really fun :-)
[17:24:20] <Jammet> SharpTooth ... hmm but that costs money...
[17:24:22] <SharpTooth> SB-X: SS2 is buyable. It should be in the bargin buns. SS1 is downloadable.
[17:24:38] <Jammet> Colourless, doesn't it take all the scare out of the game? Can you continue network save games too?
[17:24:40] <SharpTooth> Jammet: There is also bochs (I don't think that's spelt right), IIRC you can get it from sourceforge
[17:24:48] <Colourless> System Shock 2 is in the EA Classics range and should be available fairly cheaply
[17:24:55] <SharpTooth> (SS2) You can load multiplayer games.
[17:24:58] <SB-X> what does TSSHP do?
[17:24:59] <Jammet> SharpTooth, but SS1, the downloadable vesion is the old one, no? Not the CD version.
[17:25:10] <Jammet> SB-X, it takes the SS1 data and works as the engine around it.
[17:25:18] <SB-X> ok
[17:25:30] <Colourless> the cd version is available in some places.... I may be able to get a URL for it
[17:25:30] <Jammet> But I think it _requires_ the CD version.
[17:25:38] <SB-X> should I get SS1 and TSSHP then?
[17:25:45] <SharpTooth> (SS1) IIRC you can download the cdversion from ttlg. I did, I also have the original cd I bought later on.
[17:26:03] <SB-X> TTLG? about the company that made Thief the dark project?
[17:26:03] <Colourless> TTLG downloads are down
[17:26:08] <Jammet> SB-X, yup.
[17:26:20] <SB-X> why did they go out of business?
[17:26:28] <Colourless> no TTLG = Through The Looking GLass (fan site for Looking Glass R.I.P)
[17:26:28] <Jammet> www.theunderdogs.org or so is an 'oldwarez' site. Under-rated games are there. Maybe System shock too.
[17:26:44] <SB-X> Colourless: i know thats what i meant
[17:26:58] <SharpTooth> SB-X: The company folded IIRC due to their publisher not paying them quick enough or something.
[17:27:09] <Jammet> That's really bad.
[17:27:16] <SB-X> ooh i see, and what does all this have to do with Ultima Underword? :-)
[17:27:19] <Jammet> Looking glass's games...
[17:27:20] <Colourless> no, not really. they folded because their games didn't sell well enough
[17:27:24] <SharpTooth> Jammet: (underdogs) The cd version there is significantly cut down. I don't know what they did to it though.
[17:27:33] <Colourless> Blue Sky = Looking Glass
[17:27:38] <Jammet> SB-X, UW and SS1 use the same engine and are both Warren Spektor stuff.
[17:27:53] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Spector IIRC. <grin>
[17:27:54] <Jammet> SharpTooth, well I'm happy I got the original looong ago.
[17:27:57] <SB-X> so I can play put UW data files(if i had them) in TSSHP?
[17:28:00] <Jammet> =) Sorry.
[17:28:03] <Colourless> yeah you can
[17:28:11] <Jammet> SB-X, I guess so.
[17:28:12] <SB-X> ooh like Exult i guess
[17:28:20] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Getting game character confused with real person? Tisk tisk. <grin>
[17:28:22] <Jammet> It's like UW-BG and SS1-SI =).
[17:28:26] <Jammet> What about UW2?
[17:28:32] <Colourless> :;-)
[17:28:35] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) Oh well...
[17:28:40] <Colourless> lets try that again
[17:28:41] <Colourless> :-)
[17:28:41] <SB-X> UW-BG and SS1-SI?
[17:28:47] <Colourless> UW2 should work too
[17:28:48] <Jammet> Just comparisions.
[17:29:07] <Colourless> of course, the games are hardly playable with TSSHP
[17:29:12] <Jammet> I didn't like the Labyrinth of worlds quite as much as UW.
[17:29:18] <SB-X> thanks
[17:29:20] * SB-X thinks he understands now.
[17:29:23] * SharpTooth needs to grab a copy of UW1/UW2 sometime.
[17:29:27] <Jammet> In fact they are just plain not playable. You can't win and you can't die.
[17:29:53] <Colourless> well, you can move :-)
[17:29:58] <SharpTooth> Jammet: They are at the 'exult map viewer' stage of the project. <grin>
[17:30:10] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) Yep, exactly that.
[17:30:20] <Jammet> They can finally render objects and so on. Sprites.
[17:30:49] <Jammet> And only in -bpp 8 ... =(
[17:31:04] <Colourless> for you perhaps :-)
[17:31:11] <Colourless> all modes work for me
[17:31:23] <Jammet> It works in -bpp 16? I always get distorted graphics when I try that.
[17:31:44] <SharpTooth> IIRC I'm running X in 24, and it played 'fine' for me.
[17:31:57] <Colourless> and 32 from memory
[17:31:59] * Jammet puts in his SS CD.
[17:32:07] * SharpTooth notes for small values of 'played'.
[17:32:31] <Jammet> Can you DCC me the latest version? I can't reach the site.
[17:32:45] <Colourless> I don't have latest version :-)
[17:32:53] <Jammet> =) Aww. okay.
[17:32:53] <wjp> it's really shocking how smooth the BeOS version runs
[17:33:13] <Jammet> wjp, =) Ain't BeOS the best multi media thing?
[17:33:23] <wjp> that must be why, yes :-)
[17:33:54] <SharpTooth> Jammet: http://sf.net/projects/tsshp/ does this work? I just grabbed the cvs version.
[17:34:06] <Colourless> hmmm : The current snapshot is dated 21-Nov-2001. There is a Windows executable snapshot based on code from the 28-Sep-2001 snapshot.
[17:34:09] <Jammet> Why the way, I had to kill Lydia twice before she finally gave up on showing up in the tavern.
[17:34:12] <wjp> ok, BeOS version still works... *phew* :-)
[17:34:14] <Jammet> Make that a quote.
[17:34:17] --- wjp is now known as wjp|dinner
[17:34:17] <Colourless> the windows snapshot is a little old ????
[17:34:17] <wjp|dinner> bbl
[17:36:37] <SB-X> hehe "GB: Why do you call them "gumps"?"
[17:38:06] <SharpTooth> (TSSHP) Yay! I'm actually getting a reasonable fps in 640x480 by just grabbing the latest from cvs. <grin>
[17:38:18] <Jammet> =) Where is the CVS?
[17:38:31] <Jammet> Just gimme the source =). I want it too. I can't reach his site.
[17:38:56] <SharpTooth> SB-X: From the interview? <grin> Did you like the comments about AGIL? (IIRC)
[17:38:59] <SharpTooth> Jammet: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=23259
[17:39:19] <Jammet> SharpTooth, Thank you! =)
[17:39:27] <SharpTooth> Jammet: It's standard sf.net cvs, I can cut and paste the lines if that doensn't work.
[17:39:34] <SB-X> SharpTooth: yes.. do you think that is anything like the Scroll of Infinity on isle of fire?
[17:39:41] <SharpTooth> Jammet: The module name is tsshp as expected. <grin>
[17:39:53] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) Getting it already ... Mrrr.
[17:40:47] <SharpTooth> Jammet: There isn't a ./configure system in it, and you need to hand edit things if you want sound. But just try and compile it without sound first, just to make sure it'll work with your 'interesting' opengl setup. <grin>
[17:41:43] <Colourless> there really isn't exactly much point to having sound
[17:42:04] <Colourless> it's not like there is exactly much of it :-)
[17:42:46] <Colourless> for system shock 1: http://homepages.compuserve.de/daxim5/shock/shockfaq.html#findshock
[17:43:03] <SharpTooth> And it doesn't look like all the other tools (playlog/viewlog/...) are actually maintained, at least under linux anyway.
[17:43:49] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) That thing uses software rendering, no opengl?
[17:43:53] <SharpTooth> Colourless: Thanks. I was looking for that link. <grin>
[17:44:04] <Colourless> yes it uses software :-)
[17:44:05] <SB-X> thanks
[17:44:06] <SharpTooth> Jammet: No idea. <grin> It's just a bit slow either way.
[17:44:20] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) That is just System Shock as we know it...
[17:44:46] <Colourless> they would probably have a 100x speed up using Open GL :-)
[17:44:54] <SharpTooth> Jammet: Not slow as in 'sneaky slow' but slow as in 'frames per second' slow. <grin>
[17:45:16] <Colourless> no, isn't it seconds per frame :-)
[17:45:51] <Colourless> or 'Frame per Second' (note the lack of a 's' after frame)
[17:45:54] <Jammet> SharpTooth, frame per year...
[17:46:01] --- Dominus|away is now known as Dominus
[17:46:07] <SB-X> Hi Dominus
[17:46:08] <Colourless> of course in 320x200x8 it's plenty fast
[17:46:21] <Jammet> [home ship mommy dogs humans birds horses] birds:
[17:46:21] <Jammet> "Nummy!" explains Jammet.
[17:46:25] <SharpTooth> It's actually not to bad, except they 'accidentally' broke the fps counter on the last cvs addition apparently.
[17:46:26] <Jammet> =) Dialouge...
[17:46:29] <Dominus> hi again
[17:46:34] <Jammet> Hej Dominus =)
[17:46:43] * SharpTooth ReHi's Dominus.
[17:47:05] <Colourless> hi
[17:47:08] <SB-X> hmm ReHi is a verb
[17:47:10] * Dominus just had dinner. He thinks it was a rabbit he had :-)
[17:47:27] <Colourless> :-)
[17:47:38] <SharpTooth> SB-X: I'm 'Hi'-ing for the second time. So technically 'Hi' is also a verb. <grin>
[17:48:07] * SharpTooth looks innocently at Dominus, good think he's not just a rabbit then. <innocentwiggle>
[17:48:19] <Dominus> he he
[17:48:24] * SharpTooth Hi's SB-X.
[17:48:36] <Dominus> Jammet: you are jameson, right?
[17:49:24] * SB-X BackHi's SharpTooth.
[17:50:41] <Dominus> seems the url we have to Derek's page is not correct anymore http://members.xoom.com/derek_liauw/
[17:50:45] --- Colourless is now known as Cless|away
[17:51:02] <Cless|away> i'll be away for a little bit
[17:51:14] <Dominus> see you later
[17:51:16] <SB-X> ok Cless
[17:51:27] <SB-X> SharpTooth: what you think about that scroll?
[17:51:39] --- wjp|dinner is now known as wjp
[17:51:53] <SharpTooth> SB-X: Which scroll?
[17:51:54] <Jammet> Dominus, No I'm Jammet, not Commander Jameson =).
[17:52:19] <Dominus> ah, I was somehow confused
[17:52:23] * Jammet giggles.
[17:52:29] <Jammet> =) It's okay.
[17:52:41] <Dominus> but you are from Germany?
[17:52:45] <SB-X> SharpTooth: of Infinity
[17:53:05] * Dominus feels like he's very confused and doesn't know with whom he spoke before
[17:53:18] <SB-X> wjp: AGIL
[17:53:21] <SB-X> oops
[17:53:29] <SB-X> SharpTooth: do you think it looks like AGIL?
[17:53:36] <Jammet> Dominus, yes I am ...
[17:53:45] * wjp is going to reboot back to linux
[17:53:46] <wjp> brb
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[17:53:53] <SharpTooth> SB-X: What looks like AGIL, sorry I'm completely lost. <grin>
[17:54:09] <Dominus> Jammet: where from?
[17:54:19] * SharpTooth acks when he looks at the time, no wonder he's feeling rather dazed.
[17:54:24] <SB-X> SharpTooth: the scroll of infinity which the mage on isle of exodus translates for you in the Black Gate forge of virtue
[17:54:49] <SharpTooth> SB-X: Never done the FoV add on. <grin> That's probably the problem.
[17:55:18] <SB-X> ooh
[17:55:24] <Jammet> Dominus, Sorry I'm responding slow. =) Hannover.
[17:55:32] <Jammet> I'm writing my dialouge's for our island in Exult.
[17:55:40] <Dominus> hi hi
[17:55:58] <SB-X> our island? ooOOoh can i be on it?
[17:55:58] <Dominus> did you take a look at the ideas in the /docs section?
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[17:56:00] <SharpTooth> I've got my original U7:BG disks floating around here somewhere. <grin> I only got FoV and SI when I purchased U9:Dragon Edition.
[17:56:01] <SB-X> heh
[17:56:32] <SharpTooth> Didn't I predict this would happen?!? Didn't I? <fangygrin>
[17:56:43] <SB-X> actually i was gonna ask before Jammet :-)
[17:57:06] <SB-X> SharpTooth: i figured you played Exult all the time but i guess you work on ucxt more?
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[17:57:48] <Jammet> SB-X, no idea. =)
[17:58:16] <SharpTooth> SB-X: Pretty much. I haven't actually finished the game with exult. I just potter around and play with the world. <grin> Once you know how things work underneath in usecode, all the little things you do suddently become more interesting.
[17:58:17] <Jammet> SharpTooth, yes you did =)
[17:58:40] * SB-X would volunteer to be a furier.
[17:59:05] <SB-X> to get on the island heh
[17:59:23] <Dominus> SB-X: good idea, we need someone to skin all those cats and rabbits on SF-Island
[17:59:32] <SB-X> and leopard cubs
[18:00:15] <SharpTooth> SB-X: Perhaps a dog to be chased by the 'cat'? <grin>
[18:00:48] <SB-X> hmm nevermind i like cats too much to skin them
[18:00:59] <Jammet> SharpTooth, =) No, because:
[18:01:03] <Jammet> dogs:
[18:01:03] <Jammet> "The ones I met were so weak in the head. They did anything they
[18:01:03] <Jammet> were told - so sad. Sometimes they seem to have no sensibility
[18:01:04] <Jammet> for us smaller cats. They just notice you if you're bigger, you
[18:01:06] <Jammet> can't even be friends if you're not." Jammet sniffles, "Wanna have
[18:01:08] <Jammet> more friends to play with."
[18:02:02] <Jammet> I don't wanna be skinned. Mewl.
[18:02:41] * SharpTooth snuggles up to Jammet and paws his ear gently. "Must go. Sleep to attend to. Night all."
[18:02:41] <SB-X> SharpTooth: want me to type some of the scroll here?
[18:02:45] <SB-X> dang
[18:02:48] <Jammet> Goodnight SharpTooth =)
[18:02:54] <SharpTooth> SB-X: If you're very quick. <grin>
[18:02:56] <Dominus> good night
[18:03:00] <wjp> bye
[18:03:03] <SB-X> nevermind i will later
[18:03:08] * SB-X Bye's SharpTooth.
[18:03:30] * SharpTooth bows and hits SB-X over the head with a trout. Night then. <grin>
[18:03:39] * SB-X gives the trout to Jammet.
[18:04:24] * Jammet eats it.
[18:04:27] <Jammet> Thanks =)...
[18:08:17] <Jammet> I've got a visitor =) Gotta run!
[18:08:18] <Jammet> LAter!
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[19:05:57] <rebelslay> hello?
[19:06:03] <Colourless> hi
[19:06:09] <Dominus> hi
[19:06:13] <wjp> hi
[19:06:21] <rebelslay> Lord Colourless! Lord Dominus! wjp!!! :-)
[19:06:38] <wjp> hmpf... don't I get a lord? ;-)
[19:06:53] <rebelslay> How goes it? I've been looking forward to talking to you guys for some time
[19:06:56] <Colourless> no :-)
[19:07:01] <rebelslay> Of course, Sir wjp :-)
[19:08:11] <rebelslay> Wow... this is so different from the Phorum. I'm so in awe of you all.
[19:10:17] <rebelslay> ... I'm normally Blackbird there
[19:13:25] <Colourless> as you can see, the conversation here is rathed subdued at the moment
[19:13:43] <rebelslay> Busy?
[19:14:33] <Colourless> can't speak for everyone else, no
[19:14:48] * wjp is not particularly busy
[19:14:58] <wjp> slightly bored, even :-)
[19:14:58] <rebelslay> gotta love wjp :-)
[19:15:13] <Colourless> :-)
[19:15:15] <rebelslay> me too, just scrolling through journal abstracts
[19:16:44] <rebelslay> i'm just curious why i can't make LB a member of my party in Exult yet? is it because you guys haven't figured out the Party flag in the cheat menu?
[19:17:32] <wjp> hmm, no, I think we've got most/all of the party-related stuff figured out
[19:17:54] <Colourless> yeah, we could probably easily impliment it.
[19:18:30] <Colourless> such a cheat though, as you might imagine, it not exactly a priority :-)
[19:18:36] <rebelslay> also, i was playing the latest snapshot last night and every time i changed the Avatar's shape... when i went back to the game, the Avatar was invisible
[19:18:44] <wjp> I guess it might cause some trouble with the face stats, inventory gumps and suuch
[19:18:51] <rebelslay> Colourless: understandable... just asking though :-)
[19:19:32] <rebelslay> I'm obsessed with turning the Avatar into the Ferryman :-)
[19:20:03] <wjp> I don't think the Ferryman has the necessary frames
[19:20:05] <Colourless> wjp: yes and no. it wont be hard to avoid problems
[19:20:23] <wjp> Colourless: yeah, true
[19:20:59] <rebelslay> I keep thinking that I should keep a record of the "improvements" and features everyone requests in the message forum
[19:21:41] <Colourless> the ferryman has 1 frame
[19:21:48] <rebelslay> damn
[19:22:15] <rebelslay> hmmm... perhaps I ought to go for more "regal" garb?
[19:22:40] <Colourless> :-)
[19:23:23] <wjp> you'll get some invisible frames when casting spells, probably, but LB should work
[19:23:24] <Colourless> the thing is, a changed shape does keep for the avatar when loading a game... unless you use polymorph which is only enabled for SI
[19:23:30] <rebelslay> query... why the redundant white male and female avatars in bg?
[19:23:53] <rebelslay> ok, i'll try it out
[19:23:54] <Colourless> ...changed shape DOESN'T keep for...
[19:24:44] <Colourless> anything with 31 frames will actually work
[19:25:15] <rebelslay> yeah, i'll have to keep count whenever i feel like shedding my skin :-)
[19:25:41] <wjp> what did you mean by 'redundant avatars' btw?
[19:26:36] <rebelslay> um... i meant, why are there two caucasian blond male avatars and two caucasian blond female avatars? shouldn't there just be one of each?
[19:26:58] <Colourless> well, there are 2 sets of faces
[19:27:20] <wjp> oh, when starting a new game?
[19:27:33] <rebelslay> why not just replace the old faces with the new ones from SI?
[19:27:56] <Colourless> somepeople may not want them
[19:28:49] <rebelslay> ok... but how about setting it up along the same lines as paperdolls with a toggle or XML script?
[19:29:11] <Colourless> umm, is there *really* a need?
[19:29:50] <rebelslay> just was curious to see if it was do-able or not
[19:31:14] <Colourless> yeah of course it's possible
[19:31:48] <rebelslay> maybe i'll do some of that non-priority coding.
[19:32:38] <rebelslay> i can't wait until all of the important stuff is done and the business of restoring some of the old SI plot can take place
[19:34:26] <rebelslay> ... and (as much as it annoys everyone)... i'm a pro-multiplayer U7 person. Hopefully someone outside the team will take up that banner.
[19:34:44] <rebelslay> I'd really love to see that given that my computer is too slow to run UO
[19:42:02] <Dominus> too slow for running UO? Didn't that have very low specs?
[19:44:01] <rebelslay> My graphics card sucks big time and I can't seem to get a decent 56k connection here. The game just plays too slow for me to play comfortably. It's my machine holding me back... grrr...
[19:44:34] <Dominus> well the connection stuff won't change with any other Multiplayer game
[19:44:58] <Dominus> and as far as I know the graphic crads stuff was really way down...
[19:45:03] <rebelslay> true, but there's a LAN at work... :-)
[19:45:27] <rebelslay> I know, but my card is an old ISA piece of crap with 256k VRAM
[19:45:36] <Dominus> Unless you are talking about that latest "update" Rennaissance or what it was called which made it 3d in 2d...
[19:45:46] <rebelslay> It's slow with Win95 display as well
[19:45:53] <Dominus> ah, okay
[19:46:06] <Dominus> but how is Exult going then?
[19:46:07] <rebelslay> works better under Linux tho
[19:46:45] <rebelslay> Exult plays pretty well, actually. I'm going to experiment more with the fps toggle.
[19:47:17] <Colourless> what speed cpu?
[19:47:18] <rebelslay> I play fullscreen and tend to disable scalers. I really liked SuperEagle :-)
[19:47:30] <rebelslay> 200 MHz
[19:48:12] <Colourless> chances are you will not notice much of a difference with the FPS toggle
[19:48:13] <Dominus> as for UO, you can play that on a laN as well (with those free UO server software that is around)
[19:48:46] <rebelslay> I tried to get an new ATI card before realizing my motherboard didn't come with an AGP slot... <insert cursing and foul language here>
[19:49:00] <Dominus> he he
[19:49:32] <rebelslay> Yeah, I'm wondering how those free UO servers are... my fiance's brother said he played on a few and didn't like the experience as much and there was frequent crashing
[19:49:33] <Dominus> try to get a nice PCI card on ebay then, shouldn't be too expensive but will probabyl beat your card
[19:49:51] <Colourless> problem is you really need a faster CPU
[19:50:37] <rebelslay> I'm just going to replace the whole system in another year or so... there's no point. The sound card isn't even 100% SB16 compatible... besides, I have a baby on the way to pay for
[19:51:24] <Dominus> so are you Blackbird on the Forum?
[19:51:37] <rebelslay> yes
[19:51:49] <Dominus> the baby gave you away :-)
[19:51:52] <rebelslay> in fact, years ago i got my alias from playing U7
[19:52:01] <rebelslay> hahahahaha :-)
[19:52:02] <wjp> <rebelslay> ... I'm normally Blackbird there
[19:52:24] <rebelslay> I'm just rebelslay on IRC (playing D&D)
[19:52:33] * Dominus wasn't paying much attention to what has been said before - He was on the phone :-)
[19:52:56] * Dominus sighs, another one of those guys
[19:52:58] <Dominus> :-)
[19:53:14] <rebelslay> hehehe...
[19:53:29] <Dominus> you missed Jammet and SharpTooth, you probably would have loved to talk to them
[19:53:30] <wjp> you don't roleplay any animals, do you? :-)
[19:53:32] <Dominus> :-)
[19:53:56] <Colourless> :-)
[19:54:07] <rebelslay> nope... but i love playing characters that "handle" them, in more ways than one :-) <evil grin>
[19:54:16] <wjp> uh oh :-)
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[19:54:46] <rebelslay> yes, i have played some rather twisted characters but all human i assure you
[19:55:05] <wjp> pity :-)
[19:55:41] <rebelslay> the funniest was the fighter that was obsessed with molesting then cooking rabbits
[19:55:57] <wjp> umm
[19:55:58] <Colourless> you know, tonight Sharptooth stayed on way longer than he normally does
[19:56:30] <Colourless> damn, if only he was here now :-)
[19:56:51] <Colourless> he being Sharptooth :-)
[19:56:52] <rebelslay> Yes, I was hoping to arrive in time to chat it up with him and then make rabbit stew
[19:57:06] <rebelslay> Maybe I'd get some beef out of the deal
[19:57:39] <Colourless> don't be fooled by that rabbit... he's called sharptooth after all, and he has very long claws :-)
[19:57:47] <Colourless> sharp too :-)
[19:58:27] <rebelslay> indeed... i was meaning to ask Colourless if he originally objected to multiracial avatar?
[19:59:09] <Colourless> no objections.
[19:59:45] <rebelslay> yes, but why would it have been relevant to you when your alias lacks colour? :-)
[20:00:50] <Colourless> wouldn't exactly be very nice of me to only add features that i want would it? :-)
[20:01:17] <rebelslay> hehehe... where did you get your aliases from anyway?
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[20:02:47] <Dominus> hi again...
[20:02:52] <Colourless> choose it for me UDIC name being Colourless Dragon. I choose colourless, not to mean no colour, but as a substance the neither absorbs not reflects visable light
[20:03:20] <wjp> wouldn't that be Transparent Dragon, then? ;-)
[20:03:32] <Colourless> indeed
[20:03:36] <Dominus> who ever put such a stupid option in a burning program as a checkbox if you want shut down the computer after burning?
[20:03:48] <wjp> LOL
[20:03:51] <_Kreed_> hm..
[20:03:57] <Dominus> somehow I must have checked that and suddenly my computer shut down...
[20:04:01] <rebelslay> I keep forgetting that so many of you are Ultima Dragons... I've always been a U7 standalone player more than anything else... just sort of dabbled with the other games
[20:06:31] <Dominus> my nick comes from my name "Dominik" and that picture http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9848357/htms/photos/rasta.jpg
[20:07:24] <rebelslay> wow... that's really you? totally not what i was expecting...
[20:08:04] <Dominus> I was 17 back then - 8 years ago :-)
[20:08:16] <rebelslay> i was figuring maybe an 18th century european aristocrat with your nick. that's more of a jamaican tour guide :-)
[20:08:52] <Dominus> :-)
[20:09:13] <rebelslay> maybe we should start a photo gallery for EA's most wanted list :-)
[20:10:57] <rebelslay> http://www.anctil.org/users/eric/era1995.gif
[20:11:56] <Dominus> a photo from this summer http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9848357/htms/photos/12.jpg
[20:13:06] <rebelslay> skater punk... i like :-) who's the kid?
[20:13:56] <Dominus> not really skater punk :-)
[20:14:15] <Dominus> that's the daughter of my girlfriend
[20:14:23] <rebelslay> it's a better look
[20:14:55] <rebelslay> nifty...
[20:15:10] <matto> Dominus!!
[20:15:17] <rebelslay> pretty soon it looks like we'll need an Exult daycare :-)
[20:15:23] <Dominus> you can have a look at all my pictures on my homepage at http://beam.to/dominik/
[20:15:33] <Dominus> rebelslay: :-)
[20:15:40] <Dominus> MATTO!!!!!!!!!!
[20:15:42] <Colourless> that is one feature I'm not implimenting :-)
[20:15:43] <rebelslay> actually, I've found Exult makes an excellent daycare facility all by itself
[20:15:56] <rebelslay> well, there's the one in LB
[20:16:01] <rebelslay> LB's castle
[20:16:42] <matto> Dominus: I wasn't able to finish the book ... sleep overtook me like the Keeper's minions overtaking those who serve the Light
[20:17:15] <Dominus> matto: you've been reading too much SoT methinks :-)
[20:17:50] * wjp checks the websites of some national online bookstores *again*
[20:17:52] <matto> Dominus: I didn't know there was such a thing as "too much"
[20:17:57] <matto> wjp!! :)
[20:17:59] <wjp> (not that anything will have changed since this afternoon :/ )
[20:18:14] <rebelslay> Dominus: I have the religions t-shirt too :-) mmmmm....
[20:18:39] <Dominus> he he
[20:18:58] <Dominus> I don't have it anymore - it kind of did a disappearing trick on me :-)
[20:19:07] <matto> I'm gonna bring the book in with me to work
[20:19:39] <Dominus> matto: please make a quick pdf of the book :-)
[20:19:44] * matto closes his eyes, resolutely, his hands shaking. "Dear spirits, forgive me what I am about to do!" Matto places the book upon the scanner and begins scanning in chapter 1 in PDF format.
[20:20:04] <Dominus> grin
[20:20:09] <Colourless> how many pages? :-)
[20:20:43] <rebelslay> e-text scanning?!?! :-) i'm actually writing a paper on that right now...
[20:22:20] <matto> ACTION sweeps his raptor-like gaze around to Dominus. His hand grasped the hilt of the blade so hard that the words 'truth' dug painfully into his palm. Slowly, deliberately, he drew his sword, never taking his eyes from Dominus's. "I have something to say," he whispered, quietly. He flinched slightly as he drew the blade of the sword across the inside of his left forearm. Drops of red dripped against the floor as startled onlookers gasp
[20:22:55] * Dominus quickly puts his blackrock armor on
[20:23:01] <matto> Colourless: far too many hehe ...
[20:23:32] <Colourless> :-)
[20:24:23] * matto places a Ra'da'han (sp?) calmly around Dominus's neck. The ends of the collar fasten togeter with an audible click. The shock in Dominus's eyes causes the paint on the wall to peel off.
[20:24:42] <wjp> one less apostrophe, IIRC
[20:25:20] <rebelslay> Dominus: you've gone through more looks than I have time to count :-) wow
[20:25:53] * Dominus is aghast with fear but then quickly notices that he wasn't born with the gift, so he just takes the coller off his neck
[20:26:36] <wjp> Rada'Han
[20:26:37] * Dominus takes his Agiel from around his neck and slowly walks towards matto
[20:26:50] * wjp looked it up
[20:26:59] * matto raises an eyebrow, wondering how Dominus intends to use with Agiel without having any magic
[20:27:30] <matto> "Do you wish to cast a spell on me, sorceress?"
[20:27:31] <matto> hehe
[20:28:25] * Dominus looks at his useless Agiel and tosses it away
[20:28:30] <matto> hehehe
[20:29:01] * Dominus wonders where he put his big, mf, two-handed hammer after he cheased Jammet and Sharptooth with it
[20:29:11] <Dominus> chased even
[20:29:32] <Dominus> rebelslay: that's only a small portion of my looks :-)
[20:29:38] <matto> ah I was wondering where Sharp "bunny fluff" Tooth went to :)
[20:30:07] <Dominus> matto: didn't you see? He painted my feet
[20:30:10] <Dominus> PINK
[20:30:16] <matto> hahaha
[20:30:23] <matto> and he called me strange!
[20:30:26] <Colourless> good thing he didn't try it to me :-)
[20:30:55] <rebelslay> mmmm... stewed rabbit...
[20:31:05] <matto> hehehe
[20:31:11] <Dominus> rebelslay: that's what I though
[20:31:14] <Dominus> t
[20:31:34] <rebelslay> can i help it if i have an one-tracked mind between exult and eating rabbits
[20:34:01] <rebelslay> "AVATAR?!"
[20:37:02] <matto> I am making many new friends in Britannia ..
[20:37:41] <_Kreed_> rabbit
[20:37:43] <rebelslay> I was voted off Sourceforge Island...
[20:37:50] <matto> hahaha
[20:38:02] * matto claps rebelslay good naturedly
[20:38:04] <Dominus> ah _Kreed_ is showing
[20:38:09] <Dominus> hi _Kreed_
[20:38:13] <Colourless> hi
[20:38:21] <Colourless> got any new scalers for me today ? :-)
[20:38:26] <rebelslay> Apparently, trying to eat SharpTooth pissed off Iolo
[20:38:28] <Dominus> what is the correct link to your homepage now?
[20:38:36] <_Kreed_> hihi
[20:38:44] <_Kreed_> i was hunting rabbits
[20:38:55] <_Kreed_> until *someone* scared em away
[20:38:55] * matto blinks at what rebelslay just said, his disheveled white hair sticking out in all directions. "Bags, my boy, do you mean to tell me you actually were foolish enough to venture to Sourceforge Island? There are dangerous things there! You need my help!"
[20:39:32] <rebelslay> Well... there's more than one way to skin a cat... speaking of cat, wasn't there one here earlier named Jammet?
[20:39:41] <rebelslay> who me?
[20:39:55] * matto is on page 517 out of 557
[20:40:10] <wjp> I hope you mean with scanning? ;-)
[20:40:24] * Dominus wondered the same
[20:40:27] <matto> hehehehehe
[20:40:32] <Dominus> :-)
[20:40:33] <matto> no.. I mean with reading :)
[20:40:39] <rebelslay> matto: aaarrrr... i like to clean my prey with me fine metal hook! :-)
[20:43:17] * wjp wonders why toadsmoke keeps bringing up Spark's pants
[20:43:17] <rebelslay> At least thanks to DrCode et al, I've finally figured out how to achieve my dream... it's so obvious... why didn't I think of it before... now I can take over the world... with the awesome, insane power of USECODE!!! Bwahahahahaha!
[20:44:18] * matto thinks he knows toadsmoke does ... and he doesn't feel comfortable explaining it
[20:44:27] <matto> errr knows _why_ toadsmoke does
[20:44:30] <matto> hehe
[20:44:52] --- rebelslay is now known as Blackbird
[20:45:06] <Blackbird> ah, that feels better
[20:45:33] <matto> ah. now instead of wondering if it's Rebels Lay or Rebel Slay, I am at peace :)
[20:45:33] <Blackbird> I think I've killed enough rebels for one day.
[20:45:41] <Blackbird> hahahahaha
[20:46:19] <Blackbird> I don't think anyone is questioning my verility now, so perhaps it was rebels lay
[20:48:40] * Dominus wonders if Blackbird is here to entertain us :-)
[20:49:29] <Blackbird> If I can repay the Exult team for the hours of entertainment they have brought me, then by all means...
[20:49:47] <Dominus> :-)
[20:50:18] <Blackbird> Hey, I was dead serious in my posting a few weeks ago... If Exult was a company, I would quit school right now and apply for work with you guys!
[20:50:52] <Colourless> why would we hire you?
[20:51:09] <Dominus> don't think bad of us, obviously no one is working on anything anyway right now and we are all silly
[20:52:01] <Blackbird> Hehe... I'm here to entertain and I code
[20:52:21] <Blackbird> although not as much as i used to since school sucks all my time
[20:52:44] <Dominus> wait till you#ve got a little baby on you :-)
[20:53:35] <Blackbird> true, but i don't mind the little baby taking up all my time. it's school that i still resent after all these years
[20:54:21] <Dominus> he he
[20:55:28] <Blackbird> Anyone have any suggestions for baby names using only names found in SI?
[20:56:33] <Dominus> girl or boy?
[20:57:08] <Blackbird> we don't know yet, but everyone is hoping for a girl. I'll keep you all posted.
[20:57:21] <Colourless> Frigidazzi :-)
[20:57:24] <Colourless> hehe
[20:57:37] <Blackbird> AHAHAHA! :-)
[20:57:52] <Dominus> Cantra?
[20:58:21] <Dominus> (but you probably won't like to have a girl possessed by banes)
[20:59:02] <Blackbird> I think she'd get laughed out of preschool if named Frigidazzi... Cantra does sound nice, but the game connotations for both leaves me kind of uneasy... :-)
[20:59:14] <Dominus> I wouldn't choose a name from the Ultimas - too many memories on those characters and I wouldn't want to confuse my daughter with one of them
[20:59:21] <_Kreed_> man i sure can' follow the conversation you guys are having
[20:59:24] <_Kreed_> t
[20:59:46] <Blackbird> Kreed: don't worry, neither can we
[21:00:08] <Dominus> _Kreed_: maybe you missed my question, but what is a correct link to your scalers homepage?
[21:00:59] <_Kreed_> um
[21:01:00] <_Kreed_> none right now
[21:01:05] <_Kreed_> xxoom.com died
[21:01:06] <_Kreed_> hahaha
[21:01:22] <_Kreed_> and oh
[21:01:26] <_Kreed_> my e-mail is dead too
[21:01:31] <_Kreed_> usa.net started charging money
[21:01:33] <Dominus> ah, okay, because we link to it rather excessively :-)
[21:01:34] <_Kreed_> :)
[21:01:51] <_Kreed_> old e-mail that is
[21:01:55] <_Kreed_> sigh
[21:02:02] <_Kreed_> so hard to get reliable e-mail providers
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[21:02:22] <SB-X> hi
[21:02:41] * Dominus shouts: everyone hide SB-X is back!!!
[21:02:43] <Blackbird> yo
[21:02:47] <Dominus> hi :-)
[21:03:12] <Blackbird> greets from canadaland
[21:03:17] <_Kreed_> canadia
[21:03:21] <_Kreed_> blame canada
[21:03:24] * Dominus is just silly today (sorry) :-)
[21:03:26] <Blackbird> :-)
[21:03:29] * SB-X doesn't bite.
[21:03:38] <Colourless> you should :-)
[21:04:18] <SB-X> Blackbird: i'd like to be able to be able to just switch on party flag for an NPC to get him too
[21:04:41] <Blackbird> SB-X: which NPC?
[21:04:46] <SB-X> any of them
[21:05:10] <matto> Blackbird: I don't recommend quitting school in order to work at a job :)
[21:05:38] <Blackbird> sounds good to me
[21:05:41] <matto> the Lord Rahl would not approve of such things
[21:05:50] <SB-X> i envision a party of batlin. the ferryman, kreg, chuckles, the time lord, and gorn for no particular reason
[21:05:58] * matto scrubs his hand nervously through his hair
[21:06:02] <Blackbird> matto: yeah, i know... just fed up with these tedious assignments
[21:06:18] <Dominus> SB-X: why not transform your existing party members?
[21:06:29] <wjp> can't have the ferryman; sorry :-)
[21:06:36] <SB-X> i could, i just meant, it would be interesting to just flip on those people's npc flags
[21:06:42] <SB-X> aww :-(
[21:06:43] <Dominus> forgot that one :-)
[21:06:46] <wjp> time lord won't work either
[21:07:01] <SB-X> hmm... well i gave it a shot
[21:07:02] <wjp> gorn? umm... wasn't he there 200 years earlier?
[21:07:06] <Blackbird> SB-X: hahahahaha :-) Avatar, Lord British, Nystul, Chuckles, Elizabeth, Abraham, Hook, etc
[21:07:12] <SB-X> i was gonna say Ethereal Monster but i know hes not an npc
[21:07:28] <SB-X> Blackbird: etc etc
[21:07:37] <SB-X> yes gorn used to be a loyal ally
[21:07:39] <wjp> well, you can make always add a new npc :-)
[21:07:48] <wjp> s/make //
[21:07:51] <Blackbird> SB-X: yadda yadda :-)
[21:07:57] <SB-X> i think i have to wait for sharptooths compiler
[21:08:20] <Blackbird> I guess I'd better not eat SharpTooth until he's finished, right?
[21:08:46] <Colourless> sharptooth isn't making the compiler
[21:08:54] <wjp> Jeff is
[21:08:55] <Colourless> he's making the decompiler
[21:08:55] <SB-X> assembler?
[21:09:05] <SB-X> oh
[21:09:18] <SB-X> so ucxt makes code readable by jeff's compiler?
[21:09:27] <Colourless> that's the idea
[21:09:37] <_Kreed_> decompiler or disassembler?
[21:09:43] <Colourless> decompiler
[21:09:50] <Colourless> we already have a disassembler
[21:09:54] <_Kreed_> ah ..
[21:09:55] <Colourless> 2 actually
[21:10:00] * _Kreed_ not too familiar with exult internals
[21:10:03] <Colourless> wud and ucdump
[21:10:06] <matto> decompiler, eh?
[21:10:11] <SB-X> you told me they dont work
[21:10:22] * matto rubs his sweaty hands on his pants nervously. "Difficult business... difficult indeed!"
[21:10:37] <SB-X> hmm no it was the assembler that didnt work right
[21:10:39] <Blackbird> I've been acting too hegemonic today, better play Freeciv soon.
[21:11:25] <SB-X> i never got the hang of civilization
[21:11:52] <wjp> I have to go; goodnight all
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[21:12:01] <Blackbird> g-nite wjp
[21:12:07] <Dominus> that was fast
[21:12:13] <_Kreed_> civilization
[21:12:14] <_Kreed_> ugh
[21:12:17] <_Kreed_> i played civ3
[21:12:17] <SB-X> :-|
[21:12:18] <_Kreed_> man
[21:12:31] <_Kreed_> i started a world war ..
[21:12:35] <_Kreed_> upon myself
[21:12:36] <_Kreed_> hehe
[21:12:56] <_Kreed_> and like
[21:13:01] <_Kreed_> i had democracy
[21:13:03] <Blackbird> SB-X: you'll laugh but I only really play 3 games anymore in this order of preference... exult, freeciv, and adventure
[21:13:05] <_Kreed_> and i was being attacked
[21:13:12] <_Kreed_> suddenly, my ppl were revolting
[21:13:17] <_Kreed_> cuz we were at war D:
[21:13:22] <_Kreed_> i mean
[21:13:26] <Blackbird> Kreed: civ3 seems like more eyecandy than actual game content
[21:13:27] <_Kreed_> I wasn't the aggressor
[21:13:28] <SB-X> world wars are fun
[21:13:33] <_Kreed_> in this case :D
[21:13:39] <_Kreed_> how dare my ppl revolt
[21:13:43] <SB-X> Blackbird: i only play exult
[21:13:51] <_Kreed_> they want to be slaughtered or something
[21:13:54] <SB-X> Blackbird: and Jumpgate occasionally
[21:14:04] <Blackbird> SB-X: I'm glad I'm not the only one obsessed
[21:14:14] <Dominus> I only play Exult or The Legend of Zelda: Mask of Majura .-)
[21:14:16] <SB-X> _Kreed_: indeed... democracy or not you own them
[21:14:31] <SB-X> Blackbird: long live exult heh
[21:14:37] <_Kreed_> i play tetrinet2
[21:14:38] <_Kreed_> :D
[21:14:52] * SB-X played tetrinet for a little while.
[21:15:05] * matto picks up his "Pillars of Creation" and heads into work where the scanner awaits
[21:15:15] <matto> see you guys in 15 mins or so :)
[21:15:18] <SB-X> hey can i see a page?
[21:15:28] <SB-X> or something
[21:15:33] <matto> what? Bags, my boy, this is serious business!
[21:15:36] <Blackbird> SB-X: I prefer Tetrix
[21:15:41] * matto shakes a boney finger at SB-X
[21:15:47] <_Kreed_> Blackbird: is that online too?
[21:15:52] <SB-X> matto: ...
[21:15:56] <matto> SB-X: I'm just kidding
[21:15:58] <Blackbird> Dominus: Zelda Classic... mmmm
[21:16:03] <matto> I'll let you know what I come up with :)
[21:16:09] <SB-X> ok see you
[21:16:31] <Blackbird> Kreed: not the version I play... the coder and musician were personal friends of mine
[21:16:33] <SB-X> Zelda Classic?
[21:16:39] <_Kreed_> oh..
[21:16:46] <SB-X> the gold cartridge?
[21:16:52] <SB-X> or what?
[21:16:56] <Blackbird> SB-X: www.zeldaclassic.com
[21:17:06] <Dominus> Blackbird: nope it's the N64 game the latest that came out
[21:17:26] <Dominus> (the latest of the Zelda games)
[21:17:52] <Dominus> (hmm, maybe not right there are some newer gameboy ones, I think)
[21:17:56] <Blackbird> Dominus: looks good from what I've seen... I'm hoping to play more of it outside a department store one of these days
[21:18:21] <Dominus> Blackbird: I play it on an emulator but that won't run on your machine
[21:18:23] <Dominus> :-)
[21:18:24] <SB-X> Blackbird: do you have an NES emulator? you can play original Zelda that way if your not interested in that quest editor thingy
[21:19:01] <_Kreed_> emulators ..
[21:19:02] <_Kreed_> heh
[21:19:02] <_Kreed_> :D
[21:19:04] <_Kreed_> they rock
[21:19:04] <Blackbird> SB-X: I have NESticle, but you can play original Zelda on ZC without using the editor
[21:19:23] <Dominus> emulators are crazy
[21:19:28] <SB-X> the only N64 emulator i can run is Corn, but its old and..sucks.. it runs Mario64 alright
[21:19:50] <_Kreed_> what platform?
[21:20:02] <Dominus> Windows
[21:20:23] <Dominus> the best N64 emu is Project 64 right now
[21:20:25] <Blackbird> I got SNES9x working on my PC to play U7 and Final Fantasy 2 but it was slow.
[21:20:35] <_Kreed_> snes9x :D
[21:20:39] <SB-X> SNES U7? Noooo!
[21:20:40] <_Kreed_> where it all started
[21:20:54] <Blackbird> Dominus: GameCube graphics look nice...
[21:21:05] <_Kreed_> Blackbird: try zsnes
[21:21:06] <SB-X> what do you think of Black Gate on SNES Blackbird?
[21:21:20] <Blackbird> SB-X: no comparison to the real thing, baby
[21:21:35] <Blackbird> SB-X: it sucked
[21:21:43] <SB-X> exactly
[21:22:04] <Dominus> I tried it once and was very disappointed - no more than ten minutes gameplay from me :-)
[21:22:08] <SB-X> i heard is was garbage before i played it but i never realized how bad it was till i played to PC version
[21:22:29] <Dominus> Blackbird: I don't use consoles - never had one and never will
[21:22:32] <Blackbird> I haven't met anyone who has actually played it on a real console.
[21:22:35] <_Kreed_> consoles rock
[21:22:47] <_Kreed_> the days i spent in front of em
[21:22:47] <Dominus> so as long as it is not emulated it doesn't interest me :-9
[21:22:50] <_Kreed_> i'll never forget :d
[21:22:52] <_Kreed_> :D
[21:22:55] <Dominus> :-)
[21:23:04] * SB-X has a PlayStation2 for DVD's and Metal Gear Sons of Liberty when it comes out
[21:23:17] <Blackbird> SB-X: me too... love GT3!!!!!
[21:23:23] <_Kreed_> if i had money, i'd buy consoles
[21:23:27] <_Kreed_> but poor student me
[21:23:29] <_Kreed_> :/
[21:23:35] <_Kreed_> only me PC
[21:23:35] <Blackbird> Kreed: you and me both
[21:23:50] <SB-X> yes... that racing game for XBox has backasswards graphics compared to GT3 :-)
[21:24:28] <SB-X> i need a memory card to get further in gt3 tho
[21:24:32] <_Kreed_> i play PSX games now
[21:24:36] <Blackbird> SB-X: just seen the ads for XBox games. They either look stupid content-wise or suck with graphics.
[21:24:38] <_Kreed_> emulated :D
[21:25:21] <Blackbird> SB-X: I've already set aside a week of time to read and play GT3 over the holidays. As a grad student, I get 3 weeks off at Xmas.
[21:25:54] <SB-X> ah
[21:25:59] <SB-X> what do you mean read?
[21:26:09] <SB-X> read what?
[21:26:19] <Blackbird> SB-X: I need to read more on pregnancy and early child care.
[21:26:20] <Dominus> Sword of Truth of course :-)
[21:26:29] <Blackbird> Dominus: yeah and maybe that :-)
[21:26:36] <Dominus> when is it due?
[21:26:47] <Blackbird> Dominus: late May 2002
[21:27:00] <Dominus> make it so !!!
[21:27:06] <SB-X> Excellent
[21:27:12] <Blackbird> hahaha...
[21:27:27] <Blackbird> ... wait a minute! that wasn't funny
[21:28:14] * SB-X reads the log.
[21:29:58] <Blackbird> The fact is that I'm 24 years old and afraid that my lack of life experience will be a detriment to the child. But, it doesn't hurt that I'm a year away from becoming an accredited librarian.
[21:30:46] <SB-X> i thought librarians were volunteers
[21:30:50] * SB-X has a lot to learn.
[21:31:09] <Blackbird> SB-X: no, the clerks and shelvers are the volunteers.
[21:31:09] <Dominus> Blackbird: might sound old to you, but no life experience helps you with dealing with kids
[21:31:54] <Blackbird> Dominus: kewl... kind of like cheating and finishing U7 with minimal XP?
[21:32:30] <Dominus> hehe
[21:32:51] <SB-X> how fast have you finished U7BG by teleporting around?
[21:33:06] <Blackbird> SB-X: gametime or actual playing time?
[21:33:11] <SB-X> actual time
[21:33:36] <Dominus> Blackbird: since half a year ago I'm kind of a father to a four and a half year old girl and I'm still at my wits end from time to time
[21:33:55] <Blackbird> SB-X: about 2 hours in one sitting, but I wasn't counting time so it might have taken less continuous time
[21:33:55] <Dominus> SB-X: you can finish BG in about 5 minutes
[21:34:00] <Colourless> i think 1 minute
[21:34:16] <SB-X> Colourless: thats what i think but its been a while since i tried
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[21:34:33] <Colourless> you just need to teleport to the right places
[21:34:37] <Dominus> the same with SI actually
[21:34:40] <matto|wookin> ah ha! :)
[21:34:42] <Blackbird> Dominus: fair enough... one day at a time
[21:34:56] * matto|wookin places first page on scanner
[21:35:02] <Colourless> it's wookin! :-)
[21:35:39] <Dominus> cool
[21:35:54] <Dominus> Colourless: what does that new mail to the mailing list mean?
[21:36:08] <matto|wookin> 14Dom13i14nus15 =>12 are you ready for this?
[21:36:22] <Colourless> which mail?
[21:36:33] * matto|wookin hands Dominus a bowl of Spice Soup to prepare him
[21:36:37] <Blackbird> matto: i was checking out abstracts all afternoon and nobody has written anything about trading book warez over irc!
[21:36:40] <Dominus> matto|wookin: Im waiting :-)
[21:36:56] <SB-X> book warez... interesting phrase
[21:37:08] <matto|wookin> 05B14lackbird1 => well this is a little different because I know Dominus, wjp, etc will buy the book for sure :)
[21:37:09] <Dominus> Colourless: From David A. Greene
[21:37:20] <Blackbird> SB-X: well, the proper term is bookz
[21:37:24] <Dominus> Blackbird: I have the book ordered on Amazon
[21:37:46] <Dominus> I thought it was e-bookz
[21:37:47] <matto|wookin> haha.. bookz
[21:37:59] <Colourless> dominus: you think you need to know... think again :-)
[21:38:06] <Blackbird> Dominus: I keep a PDF of the D&D players handbook when the print version won't fit in my travel bag
[21:38:08] <SB-X> they could add distributing Bookz to the OPN illegal activities list
[21:38:12] <Dominus> Colourless: I thought so
[21:38:30] <Colourless> 'tis programmer speak
[21:39:12] <Blackbird> there's #bookwarez on dalnet or undernet if anyone's interested, not that we are...
[21:39:28] <Blackbird> even #rpgbookz
[21:39:29] <Dominus> he he, Im just copying "Army of Darkness" from a friend and its 666 MB big
[21:39:46] <Blackbird> ZOINKS!
[21:39:46] * SB-X never thought people were that interested
[21:39:49] * Dominus means the movie
[21:39:56] <Blackbird> OH
[21:40:20] * SB-X chokes on Dominus' apostrophe.
[21:40:25] <matto|wookin> http://208.187.252.104/~matto/poc11.pdf
[21:40:30] <matto|wookin> ok there's the first page :)
[21:40:37] <Dominus> Blackbird: actually I'm not interested, I wouldn't like to a read a whole book on the screen and I especially wouldn't like to print it out
[21:40:40] <matto|wookin> I'll piece together chapter 1 (assuming it's not too long) now
[21:40:59] <Blackbird> my fiance distros movies, tv eps, and mp3 on undernet.. in case anyone's interested.
[21:41:15] <Dominus> wild lady
[21:41:30] <Blackbird> i'm her bitch :-)
[21:41:43] <Dominus> he he
[21:42:02] <Blackbird> and our child will be known as "minion"
[21:42:10] <Dominus> ask her if she's interested in about 170 Gigs of Movie, series junk
[21:42:24] <SB-X> "Now now, that's not virtuous avatar."
[21:42:45] <Colourless> no it's not :-)
[21:42:55] <Blackbird> SB-X: "Iolo, why don't you shove it up Spark's shiny <bleep>!"
[21:42:57] <Dominus> SB-X: you know what, you are right and I'll stop that now
[21:43:19] <SB-X> haha
[21:43:33] * SB-X leads Spark to the poison fountain.
[21:44:05] <Blackbird> That X-rated U7 page was hilarious...
[21:44:48] <Dominus> the one with the female avatar and her playthings ? :-)
[21:45:00] <Blackbird> where else?
[21:45:06] * SB-X has only been to JPM's U7 page.
[21:45:23] <SB-X> which obviously has nothing to do with that hehe
[21:45:35] <Blackbird> SB-X: I'm sure someone will repost the link on the forum... they always do
[21:46:05] <Dominus> if you ask nicely (I guess Toadsmoke know the link) :-)
[21:46:18] <SB-X> what do you think of that guy telling people about the secret in U8?
[21:46:40] <SB-X> the nonexistant one
[21:46:46] <Blackbird> i've tried to duplicate it and it didn't work for me. bullshit
[21:47:48] <Dominus> matto|wookin: nice
[21:48:41] <SB-X> ooh you are rebelslay
[21:49:06] * SB-X just got to that part of the log.
[21:49:23] <SB-X> Rebels Lay?
[21:49:27] <Blackbird> SB-X: yeah, strange world, eh?
[21:49:28] * matto|wookin just attempted to use the OCR feature of this scanner and is surprised how well it worked
[21:49:54] <Blackbird> SB-X: you had to be there
[21:50:12] <Blackbird> Kreed: are you Derek?
[21:50:46] <Blackbird> Dominus: I think the U7 Conversion Project is long dead, isn't it? Why's it on the Links page?
[21:50:48] * Dominus wonders why not everyone wears a sign around his neck saying wh he is
[21:51:07] <Dominus> Blackbird: because no one removed it :-9
[21:51:31] <SB-X> Blackbird: he is
[21:51:38] <Blackbird> what do you guys think about the other U7 remake project using DungeonSiege?
[21:51:48] <SB-X> i thought it was U6
[21:52:09] <Blackbird> http://www.azmodean.com/u7/
[21:52:16] <Dominus> Didn't know about that one
[21:52:22] <Dominus> pretty useless
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[21:52:50] <Blackbird> nice graphics though... too bad it uses that <bleep!> DungeonSiege
[21:53:08] <matto|wookin> http://208.187.252.104/~matto/poc-chapter1.pdf
[21:53:10] <matto|wookin> Ok there it is
[21:53:22] <matto|wookin> I wonder if there's a way to tilt the page sideways so you can read it better
[21:53:25] <Dominus> I look forward to the Lazarus project, u1 remake and Alter U9 (eriadain) all others are just smoke in the wind as long as the Dungeon siege engine isn't released
[21:54:11] <Colourless> well, isn't that what Lazarus is as well?
[21:54:29] <Dominus> actually yes
[21:54:30] <Blackbird> I'm not crazy about Lazarus, although I commend what they're doing. Really looking forward to Eriadain using Neverwinter engine.
[21:54:56] <Blackbird> I didn't like U9 original much. I like the music packs for Exult that came from it, however.
[21:55:16] <Dominus> Blackbird: the music packs?
[21:55:22] * Dominus whistles innocently
[21:56:29] <Blackbird> er... um, <clears throat>... i mean the non-existant ones... but the Joseph Morris ones are pleasant too.
[21:56:31] <Dominus> he he they pretty much need everything for that U7 remake
[21:57:32] <Blackbird> that's the case with a lot of remake projects
[21:58:11] <Blackbird> you should have seen another one of the u9 remake groups. i'm glad eriadain is back on track cuz otherwise we might never have gotten a decent u9
[21:58:36] <Dominus> we might still not get one
[21:59:07] <Colourless> i don't think any of the Dungeon Siege engine remakes will come out.
[21:59:41] <matto|wookin> ok I'm gonna reboot to lunix
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[21:59:45] <Dominus> me neither
[21:59:57] <Dominus> oops just when I wanted to thank matto
[22:00:53] <Colourless> i just find it odd to plan on creating a game using an a game engine that hasn't really been seen by the public
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[22:01:08] * Dominus nods
[22:01:17] <Dominus> hey they all get pinged out
[22:01:49] <Colourless> considering that Dungeon Siege itself gets delayed all the time, i think the people will just loose interest
[22:01:57] <Colourless> lose even
[22:02:48] <Dominus> the biggest problem is somehow that most of those guys planning to do a remake are mostly just people with ideas (not even original ones) without any background, be it in coding, art, music or plot
[22:03:06] <Dominus> well plot is basicly outlined already
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[22:03:16] <Dominus> matto|wookin!!!!!
[22:03:19] <Colourless> generally none of them have any coding
[22:03:23] <Dominus> thanks for chapter 1
[22:03:29] <matto|wookin> Dominus!!!!!!!!!!
[22:03:37] <matto|wookin> did you read it? :)
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[22:03:50] <SB-X> strance
[22:03:54] <SB-X> strange even
[22:03:58] <SB-X> my first kernel panic ever
[22:04:02] <Dominus> Colourless: that's why they choose Dungeon Siege as they think they don't need any codsing
[22:04:05] <Blackbird> gotta go... seeya soon all...
[22:04:12] <Dominus> okay see you
[22:04:18] <SB-X> Blackbird: :-|
[22:04:23] <Colourless> it is a pipe dream to think you can create a game with no coding
[22:04:26] <Dominus> matto|wookin: nope, not yet apart for the first page
[22:04:45] <SB-X> i would be interested in that u6 project if it didnt use DS
[22:04:53] <matto|wookin> Dominus: unfortunately the way I assembled it, it doesn't seem to be contiguous
[22:05:01] <matto|wookin> it may help to print it out .. :)
[22:05:11] * SB-X wants to make U6 with Exult.
[22:05:44] <Colourless> hell, just to do the NPC conversation scripting would require some coding
[22:05:47] <Dominus> matto|wookin: hmm, thought so too, I don't like reading on the screen anyway
[22:06:03] <SB-X> ?date
[22:06:03] <exultbot> It is now Wed Nov 21 22:06:03 2001 (GMT).
[22:06:44] <matto|wookin> gmt is 7 hours ahead of me, apparently
[22:06:44] <SB-X> i thought there were screenshots of DS engine
[22:07:00] <Colourless> yeah there are
[22:07:09] <Dominus> SB-X: there is a guy in the Dragon Newsgroup who is thinking of making a U4 remake with either Exult or the engine by Joseph Morris (U6 style9
[22:07:12] <matto|wookin> ?time
[22:07:12] <exultbot> It is now Wed Nov 21 22:07:12 2001 (GMT).
[22:07:20] <SB-X> so it must be alive and kickin
[22:07:36] <SB-X> Dominus: yeah but i like U6 :-)
[22:07:51] <matto|wookin> have you guys played the SNES versions of U6 or U7?
[22:08:05] <SB-X> we were just talking about that
[22:08:13] <matto|wookin> today?
[22:08:23] <SB-X> yes a few minutes ago i think
[22:08:25] <matto|wookin> I remember we talked about it a few days ago .. I went and grabbed the roms and checked them out
[22:08:28] <SB-X> many minutes
[22:08:32] <Dominus> not even an hour ago
[22:08:36] <matto|wookin> oh really? hehe..
[22:09:10] <matto|wookin> I'm surprised they were able to fit anything on that tiny cartridge hehe
[22:09:14] <SB-X> i think the SNES U6 is "ok"... not as good as PC of course but it has better graphics
[22:09:28] <matto|wookin> hehe.. and very smooth scrolling :)
[22:09:30] <Dominus> never played that one
[22:09:54] <SB-X> matto: if you can fit it isnt important... they shouldnt have even bothered making such a bad port as U7 to SNES :-(
[22:09:58] <matto|wookin> snes u7 had the same music (although playing at the wrong places) and some of the same graphics
[22:10:10] <SB-X> its not the same game
[22:10:33] <Colourless> the PC music sounded better thoughb
[22:10:49] <SB-X> heh SNES plays the combat music for the opening theme
[22:11:13] <matto|wookin> hehe.. yep
[22:11:20] <matto|wookin> it sounded kind of cool hearing it though :)
[22:11:35] <SB-X> the Guardian seems more muppet-ish without sound
[22:11:44] <matto|wookin> Colourless: well I used a PAS16 for U7 so I just had the cheesy FM synth
[22:12:04] <Colourless> still, IMO the PC version sounded better with FM synth than the SNES
[22:12:36] <SB-X> why did Blackbird leave i wonder?
[22:13:40] <Colourless> i need to go
[22:13:51] <Dominus> cu
[22:14:01] <Colourless> bye
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[22:17:29] <matto|wookin> oh yeah.. I forgot how lame the guardian looked :)
[22:34:33] <matto|wookin> ?seen fingolfin
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[22:34:34] <matto|wookin> ?seen wjp
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[22:38:16] <_Kreed_> ?seen me
[22:38:16] <exultbot> I haven't seen me lately
[22:38:22] <_Kreed_> ?seen god
[22:38:22] <exultbot> I haven't seen god lately
[22:38:32] <_Kreed_> ?seen the light
[22:38:32] <exultbot> I haven't seen the lately
[22:38:37] <_Kreed_> ?seen thelight
[22:38:37] <exultbot> I haven't seen thelight lately
[22:56:30] <Dominus> got to go as well now
[22:56:32] <Dominus> bye
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