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[07:24:45] <wjp> Colourless: could you look over my two scaler commits when you have the time? I can imagine that last one might need +2*guard_band instead of +guard_band
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[08:24:59] <wjp> hi
[08:25:05] <Dominus> hi
[08:25:59] <Dominus> I wanted to return last night but after looking at a hospital for giving birth and saying goodbye to a friend who leaves Vienna... to tired :)
[08:27:13] <Dominus> I think I'll prepare everything for a release. Will make everything ready so we only have to add the links to the download page and execute update.sh :)
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[08:28:50] <wjp> when are you expecting the baby?
[08:29:00] <wjp> release: yay :-)
[08:29:22] <wjp> you may want to quickly test the scalers, by the way
[08:29:28] <Dominus> baby, middle of march 2011, so nothing urgent
[08:29:40] <wjp> I'm fairly sure it's now "correct enough", but testing on multiple platforms would be good
[08:29:50] <Dominus> scalers, yes... got to built a release version anyway
[08:29:53] <wjp> (they work for me on 64 bit linux)
[08:31:40] <wjp> I filed a scummvm bug for the shifts in the scalers by the way
[08:31:51] <wjp> (in the 2xSaI family, I mean; see logs of last night)
[08:31:53] <Dominus> :)
[08:32:37] <Dominus> we still should get integrated in scummvm (along with pentagram) one day... we share so much... :)
[08:32:50] <wjp> did you see the last release announcement of scummvm?
[08:33:00] <Dominus> no...
[08:33:03] <wjp> you should :-)
[08:33:20] <Dominus> ah yes, cabal :)
[08:33:50] <wjp> several German news sites who picked up the story missed the fact that that was a joke :-)
[08:34:11] <wjp> ...reporting that after 6.5 years the Cabal project resulted in SCI support in ScummVM
[08:34:22] <Dominus> he he
[08:34:37] <wjp> but it's quite funny that ScummVM, Sarien and FreeSCI did end up merging
[08:34:47] <Dominus> missed that, should hang out in #scummvm more often :)
[08:35:44] <Dominus> should do that anyway, since I had talks with vintermut (or so) about porting Exult to iOS some time ago
[08:48:46] <wjp> vinterstum, I guess
[08:50:52] <Dominus> yeah, most likely :)
[08:51:19] <Dominus> yes, vinterstum
[08:52:25] <Dominus> wjp, http://pastebin.com/wNPbNFd5 what I've written for the homepage
[08:53:30] <wjp> are those mods (going to be) shipped with exult, by the way?
[08:53:45] <Dominus> no, I don't think so
[08:54:15] <Dominus> I talked about it some time ago but I think Marzo didn't really want to pick it up
[08:58:43] <Dominus> wjp, on our download page, I think I'll kill the whole ancient release part. I'd rather have the data files beneath the actual release and people really shouldn't even touch the older releases
[09:00:36] <wjp> ok
[09:03:14] <Dominus> the guard band does still have some very faint double effect
[09:04:53] <Dominus> noticeable for example if you have a grey roof in the lower part and walk up and down
[09:05:18] <Dominus> it's almost not to see
[09:06:08] <wjp> do you have a screenshot?
[09:06:22] <Dominus> will make one now
[09:09:00] <Dominus> hmm, maybe I saw things because of the greey roof structure
[09:09:44] <Dominus> yes, seems like it
[09:19:25] <wjp> ok :-)
[09:20:09] <wjp> things might still be sub-optimal, because I _think_ it's still not really making proper use of the bottom guard-band at the moment, but that should only affect the very bottom row of pixels
[09:20:33] <wjp> (and only in the sense that it probably ignores the row just outside of the screen when interpolating)
[09:21:05] <Dominus> Kirben, can you make a release version of Exult? no opengl and no Exult Studio support. Maybe upload it to the snapshot folder so I can pick it up there
[09:21:38] * wjp is kind of excited about an actual release :-)
[09:21:52] * Dominus is excited about that, too
[09:21:55] <wjp> and pentagram is moving again, and scummvm has SCI support. Whee :-)
[09:22:10] <Dominus> yeah... pentagram... me like
[09:22:59] <Dominus> wjp, do you have any idea how our downloads.dat in web/contents/ works?
[09:23:25] <Dominus> I'm wondering about the number behind the filenames
[09:23:45] <Dominus> or is that the file size?
[09:24:24] <Dominus> yes, file size
[09:24:34] <Dominus> in KB
[09:26:33] <Dominus> wjp, this evenning, can you do the source tarball and the svn-tag?
[09:27:01] <Dominus> and maybe a package for whatever system you are on these days?
[09:27:37] <wjp> yes
[09:27:48] <wjp> and no, but I can do a Fedora package I guess
[09:28:19] <Dominus> whatever you can add, so that we have something to show :)
[09:29:26] <Dominus> I'll make the web contents ready and then I'll be gone until 8-9 pm
[09:29:44] <Dominus> and then it's show time!!!
[09:30:15] <Dominus> and I don't want to read any new bug report, especially crashes are not to be mentioned!
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[11:36:24] <wjp> Dominus|away: I tweaked the news item a bit
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[12:31:44] <Kirben> Dominus|away: http://members.optusnet.com.au/wormmon/exult-1.4.9rc1-win32.exe
[12:35:40] <wjp> thanks!
[12:44:05] <wjp> Kirben: the installer still refers to "Exult SVN snapshot"
[12:44:14] <wjp> is that something in SVN?
[12:46:17] <Kirben> The installer script is in SVN, I will update the script locally and re-upload.
[12:47:58] <Kirben> http://members.optusnet.com.au/wormmon/exult-1.4.9rc1-win32.exe updated.
[12:48:01] <wjp> thanks
[12:48:14] <wjp> which file in SVN is that? I'll add a note to release.txt about it
[12:48:49] <Kirben> win32/exult_installer.iss
[12:52:22] <wjp> ok
[13:07:22] <wjp> Dominus|away: I also moved all old news to the history page
[13:10:23] <wjp> preview: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exult/exult-web/index.php
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[14:09:15] <wjp> Dominus|away: updated links page a bit too
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[14:32:43] <wjp> hi
[14:35:21] <Marzo> hi
[14:37:40] <wjp> the Plan(tm) is to release tonight (European time)
[14:48:31] <Marzo> O>o
[14:48:35] <Marzo> Already?
[14:48:45] <Marzo> Wow
[14:48:51] <Marzo> I just checked my mailbox
[14:49:47] <wjp> this'll be a release candidate, to hopefully get some real testing done, and get a feel for how stable the current code really is
[14:49:58] <wjp> after that we should talk about 1.5 :-)
[14:50:16] <wjp> preview for news: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exult/exult-web/
[14:50:27] <wjp> (mostly prepared by Dominus)
[14:50:32] <Marzo> Oh, you mean the RC
[14:50:45] * wjp nods
[14:51:47] <Marzo> Regarding 1.5: I was thinking of suggesting doing something like Gnome does from now on and using odd minor versions for unstable/dev versions and even minor versions for stable/release
[14:52:02] <Marzo> Making it 1.6 instead of 1.5
[14:52:35] <Marzo> The news preview should also mention aspect correction
[14:53:22] <wjp> hm, yes, not a bad idea; could you change it in svn?
[14:53:42] <wjp> (about the news)
[14:53:44] <Marzo> Sure, let me just synch with it
[14:54:16] <wjp> version numbers: fine by me; I don't care all that much, but no objections
[14:54:43] <Marzo> It is the standard news in SVN?
[14:55:04] <Marzo> Ah, I see it is
[14:55:09] <wjp> in web: content/news.dat
[14:55:58] <wjp> but it should probably be synced with NEWS too, yes
[14:59:23] <Dominus|away> thanks for making it BETTER (still mostly away but my daughter allows me five minutes computer time)
[15:00:56] <Dominus|away> it would be nice if you could sync it with NEWS in trunk
[15:01:25] <wjp> I'll do it tonight before tagging
[15:01:33] <Marzo> It is committed
[15:01:43] <Dominus|away> marzo, I just remembered, what did you do with the multiracial avatar? Did you add this or did you heavily make it better
[15:01:53] <Marzo> I made it better
[15:01:57] <wjp> oh, we have a ChangeLog in web/ too
[15:02:01] <Marzo> It was already there
[15:03:23] <Marzo> Dominus|away: I made the avatar creation screen use the main game palette (remapping the graphics to it) and I also made the multiracial avatars customizable
[15:04:20] <Marzo> Previously, the portraits of the new avatars from the creation menu needed separate graphics that had to use a much more limited palette
[15:06:04] <Dominus|away> wjp: yes, the web svn changelog is there and sometimes even used :)
[15:06:34] <Dominus|away> I don't use it for every little thing or just updating docs or FAQ, but sometimes I add stuff there
[15:16:12] <Dominus|away> wjp: only problem when we sync news.dat with NEWS, the Windows RC1 has NEWS (news.txt), so it will be different, to what we tag in SVN
[15:16:37] <wjp> doesn't matter too much I think
[15:16:46] <Dominus|away> so either wait until kirben wakes up and he can another version or just go with what we have
[15:17:00] <Dominus|away> yes, probably not, mostly people will read the webpage
[15:34:51] <Dominus|away> wjp, I added the windows and os x binary to the SF files stuff already. Since we ARE releasing today I think it's ok to "jump the gun" with that
[15:37:49] <wjp> ok
[15:39:13] <Dominus|away> when you have the source tar ball ready, we can go live, I think
[15:40:22] <Dominus|away> now really away again for at least two hours :)
[15:53:02] <wjp> I'll do the source tarball when I get home
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[17:46:02] <Dominus> marzo, about the numbering... looking back it seems like we've did it like you proposed in the past. probably by chance. The next final should be 1.6 then :) (though 1.5 sounds kind of nicer :))
[17:53:07] <wjp> getting 'make dist' to work is going to take some more time than I want to spend on that right now
[17:53:19] <wjp> so I'll just cheat and put together a tarball manually...
[17:53:24] <Dominus> :)
[17:59:08] * wjp really fixes the link to the bug tracker
[18:00:40] * Dominus is annoyed... was it wrong again?
[18:01:31] <wjp> missed the http:// :-)
[18:02:54] * Dominus is now really annoyed...
[18:02:55] <Dominus> :)
[18:03:18] <wjp> updated http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exult/exult-web/index.php
[18:07:45] <Dominus> downloads work nicely
[18:08:38] <Dominus> RC1 versus rc1 - wasn't sure what to use. I settled on the big case for some reason
[18:09:11] <wjp> lowercase is "standard"
[18:09:31] <wjp> and the downloads are lowercase already anyway
[18:10:20] <Dominus> yeah I was confused by our files list on SF
[18:11:13] <Dominus> I'll add some note to release.txt after the tagging, along with some more instructions in regard to our web svn
[18:16:57] <wjp> so... are we forgetting anything, or should I tag? :-)
[18:17:24] <Dominus> we are forgetting something... but we forgot it... so TAG :)
[18:18:27] <Dominus> I have to be off for another hour tops but then I'm all yours again :)
[18:31:35] <wjp> svn tagged, tarball uploaded
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[19:30:43] <Dominus> hi
[19:30:55] <Dominus> wjp, so... update.sh?
[19:31:22] <wjp> ok :-)
[19:32:12] <Malignant_Manor> Hi, I contacted Lanica.
[19:32:36] <Dominus> wjp, you? me? both? :)
[19:33:13] <wjp> I'll do the web, you do the forum?
[19:33:42] <Dominus> the forum? THE FORUM? I never speak on the forum....
[19:33:44] <Dominus> ok
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[19:34:01] <wjp> huh, must be another Dominus then :-)
[19:34:22] <Malignant_Manor> Is there a specific date in mind for release? (I know rc1 has been tagged.)
[19:34:29] <wjp> now
[19:34:38] <Dominus> (sorry just had to spend quality time with my gf in front of "how i met your mother" - I tend to get weird after that....
[19:34:44] <Dominus> yup
[19:34:46] <Dominus> now
[19:35:24] * wjp pushes big red button in 3... 2...
[19:35:48] <wjp> merge conflict :-)
[19:36:05] <Dominus> he he... news.dat?
[19:38:31] <wjp> yes
[19:39:07] <wjp> updated, in any case
[19:40:30] <Malignant_Manor> So, did you get the email from Lanica, Dominus?
[19:42:05] <Sevalecpp> Magincia \o/
[19:42:40] <Dominus> forum updated as well :)
[19:43:05] <Dominus> Malignant_Manor: yes, sorry, didn't want to ignore you but wanted to get the release thing done first
[19:43:25] <Dominus> I wrote lanica back on that
[19:44:11] * wjp rejoices :-)
[19:44:26] <wjp> congratulations on your first release as release manager :-)
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[19:57:30] <Dominus> thanks
[19:57:35] <Dominus> that was fun
[19:57:41] <Dominus> let's never do it again :)
[19:58:35] <wjp> you mean you'd prefer not to have a second rc before 1.5/6, I guess? :-)
[19:59:24] <Dominus> yeah, not looking forward to a second rc
[19:59:54] <Dominus> but this release was amazing... six years since the last version...
[20:00:13] <Dominus> NINE months after talking about it on the ML
[20:01:05] <Dominus> and if not for Marzo and Colourless, Exult would not be in such a good shape
[20:01:22] <Malignant_Manor> I just posted about the release on a couple forums.
[20:01:40] <Dominus> thanks, got to do that as well
[20:02:01] <Malignant_Manor> You might want to contact WTF Dragon.
[20:02:25] <Dominus> got that covered already, thanks
[20:02:57] <Dominus> I was in contact with him about something else and told him we were going to release
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[20:06:44] <wjp> so... what's the next version number?
[20:06:54] <wjp> (i.e., the one that svn gets)
[20:08:02] <Dominus> hmm, if we go with Marzo's idea, then we can just go to 1.5 svn and confuse everybody :)
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[20:18:32] <Dominus> Ultima Aiera already running the news :)
[20:19:23] <wjp> they're fast :-)
[20:19:32] <wjp> they picked up on the pentagram news update too I see
[20:19:43] <Dominus> yeah, ken knew to look at our news page :)
[20:55:31] <Dominus> so now we released... what's next? :)
[20:59:30] <wjp> we wait :-)
[20:59:55] <Dominus> ok, that sounds reasonable
[21:13:55] <Malignant_Manor> There have been 6 downloads, but how many were you guys testing?
[21:17:11] <Dominus> 1 each, so 2 :)
[21:18:54] <Malignant_Manor> Exult devs are getting desperate. They inflated the download percentage by 33 1/3 percent.
[21:19:24] * Dominus gets in the kicking mood! "don't tell our secrets!"
[21:20:23] <wjp> haha
[21:21:40] <Dominus> he he, by alphabet I'm mentioned first on the project page summary now :)
[21:27:07] <wjp> time to go; I'll look at the fallout tomorrow :-)
[21:27:09] <wjp> good night
[21:27:15] <Dominus> good night
[21:27:22] <Dominus> I'm off too
[21:28:50] <Malignant_Manor> Good night
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