#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 22 Jul 2003 (GMT)

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[11:41:09] <Colourless> hi
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[12:52:32] <Colourless> hmm. has jeff tagged 1.1Beta1 in cvs?
[12:54:40] <Colourless> as far as i can tell no
[12:55:34] <wjp|busy> doesn't look like it
[12:55:41] <Colourless> good
[12:55:58] <Colourless> means my commit wont require me mess with tags myself :-)
[12:56:08] <wjp|busy> :-)
[14:23:01] <wjp|busy> hm, rpm building appears to be "somewhat" broken
[14:23:36] <wjp|busy> ("only" a couple of hundred lines of errors :-) )
[14:25:00] <Colourless> ooh :-)
[14:25:02] <Colourless> fun :-)
[14:28:14] <Colourless> my first exult commit in i don't know how many months
[14:43:27] * wjp|busy kicks the .spec once more
[14:44:34] <wjp|busy> ...and builds exult from scratch _again_
[14:44:53] <wjp|busy> and I didn't even add exult studio to the .spec yet... *sigh*
[14:55:41] <wjp|busy> gah! "installed but unpackaged files"
[14:56:18] <Colourless> :-)
[14:59:19] <wjp|busy> here we go again...
[15:10:27] <wjp|busy> wow, it actually produced an rpm :-)
[15:12:32] <wjp|busy> going home, brb
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[15:30:32] <Colourless> wb
[15:30:38] <wjp> thanks
[16:09:32] * wjp spots some gimp-plugin installation code in the .spec for xsane-gimp
[16:09:44] * wjp borrows said code :-)
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[16:16:29] <wjp> Colourless: did you mail your idea about win32 keysyms in sdl/directx to the SDL ML?
[16:17:27] <wjp> (SDL 1.2.6 is apparently going to be released soonish, so might be nice if it to get it in :-) )
[16:19:04] <Colourless> no i didn't
[16:20:34] <Colourless> i'll do it now
[16:22:05] * wjp is compiling exult _again_, in the meantime :-)
[16:22:32] <wjp> (I've been compiling it pretty much non-stop the last 2 hours :-) )
[16:28:52] <Colourless> which email address should i send it to?
[16:30:01] <wjp> (privmsg-ed it)
[16:32:03] <Colourless> ok sent
[16:33:11] <Colourless> all we can do now is wait for things to happen on their own
[16:33:27] <wjp> yup :-)
[16:34:35] <wjp> yay! more unpackaged files
[16:35:36] <Colourless> exult releases are always a mess
[16:36:45] <wjp> yeah
[16:36:52] <wjp> hm, pity I don't have a RH9 machine
[16:37:44] <wjp> so I can get the .spec to something that Should Work(tm), but I won't be able to make packages
[16:41:09] <wjp> hm, I might as well update the exult manpage
[16:41:41] <wjp> "It started it's life"... tsk tsk... and fix some typos while I'm at it :-)
[16:42:04] <Colourless> :-)
[16:42:21] <wjp> it also claims that a game-creator has not yet been started
[17:01:34] <wjp> *phew*... exult-studio .rpm done...
[17:01:39] <wjp> now to include the gimp plugin
[17:15:56] <wjp> bbl, dinner
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[18:18:54] <artaxerxes> hi all
[18:19:16] <artaxerxes> I've been working on getting my tools compiled when compiling exult... it's labourious but getting there.
[18:19:37] <artaxerxes> should I enable the building of these tools only if --enable-exult-studio is set ?
[18:19:50] <artaxerxes> (for now they are built no matter what)
[18:22:01] <artaxerxes> brb
[18:22:34] <artaxerxes> actually bbl... meeting
[18:22:50] <artaxerxes> if Wizardry comes in, I hope to be back in about an hour
[18:26:19] <wjp> hi
[18:29:13] <wjp> hm, either in --enable-exult-studio or in --enable-tools would be fine, I guess
[18:29:16] <wjp> (pick one :-) )
[18:29:46] <wjp> if they don't really have any build dependencies it doesn't matter much
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[18:50:35] <wjp> hi Max
[18:51:01] <wjp> Fingolfin: is exult 'ready' to be released for Mac OS X?
[18:51:37] <wjp> (i.e., compilable, runnable, that sort of thing :-) )
[18:52:50] <Fingolfin> couple days ago it did, lemme check with latest CVS
[18:54:38] <wjp> do you use configure/make for building, btw?
[18:55:18] <Fingolfin> yes
[18:55:30] <wjp> ok, so no need to update version numbers
[18:55:58] <Fingolfin> well, yes, in the Info.plist
[18:56:02] <Fingolfin> though that might be automated
[18:56:19] <Fingolfin> ah yeah, Info.plist.in is there, wasn't sure if I did that for Exult or another project =)
[19:00:29] <Fingolfin> is there already a schedul for when the real 1.1 tarball will be release ;-) i.e. one which supports windows properly
[19:00:42] <wjp> yesterday, I think ;-)
[19:02:17] * Fingolfin wonders why emails by artaxerxes use such a tiny font
[19:02:36] <wjp> to make the disclaimer fit? ;-P
[19:02:50] <Fingolfin> (the HTML version I mean)
[19:02:58] <Fingolfin> uh, yeah, the disclaimer... rather silly I think =)
[19:03:09] <wjp> company policy...
[19:03:21] <Fingolfin> anyway, "<FONT SIZE=3D2>", wtf ?!
[19:03:35] <wjp> 3d2? as in, roll three d2? :-)
[19:03:51] <wjp> so you'd get a font size at random between 3 and 6... hmm.. :-)
[19:03:55] <Fingolfin> SIZE=3D1 for the disclaimer, BTW
[19:03:58] <Fingolfin> possible =)
[19:05:04] <Fingolfin> guess I should just disable the display of the HTML version completely. Wish that was possible on a per-sender basis
[19:05:18] <Fingolfin> artaxerxes' emails are barely readable on my screen if i don't zoom in
[19:05:55] * Fingolfin wonders anyway why emails have to contain HTML, and why that HTML contains things like a <title>, thus duplicating information contained in the mail specification
[19:06:00] <wjp> hm, I can create a filter on sender that sends the mail through a shell command
[19:06:14] <wjp> ...which could strip html
[19:06:50] <Fingolfin> right I could do that, too, I guess
[19:07:10] <Fingolfin> hm, maybe the 3D means '+', so that would be "<FONT SIZE=+2>" ?
[19:07:31] <Fingolfin> + = 0x2B ascii, though
[19:07:41] <Fingolfin> 3D = '='
[19:08:17] <Fingolfin> I'd really like to know what Exchange wants to tell me with that size ... I somehow don't think they are that much into AD&D =)
[19:16:55] <wjp> I think you're right :-) (pity ;-) )
[19:17:33] <wjp> Fingolfin: this is quoted-printable encoding
[19:17:40] <wjp> ("=XX")
[19:18:07] <wjp> hence all the "=3D" in places where an '=' should be
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[19:25:34] <artaxerxes> I know the company's disclaimer is a pain...
[19:26:06] <wjp> don't worry :-)
[19:26:12] <artaxerxes> unfortunately, anything leaving our mail server gets stamped with it! :-(
[19:26:49] <wjp> as long as it's below the actual email it's fine :-)
[19:28:08] <wjp> Fingolfin has a point about your main message font being a bit small, though
[19:30:08] <Fingolfin> yeah... but again that is probably added by the exchange server... no idea how much control artaxerxes has over that at all?
[19:34:09] <artaxerxes> I should just bypass the exchange server enirely, that's what I should do! ;-)
[20:22:50] <wjp> Fingolfin: any luck compiling latest exult cvs yet? :-)
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[20:37:11] <wjp> hi and wb
[20:37:14] <artaxerxes> gotta go!
[20:37:21] <artaxerxes> bye all!
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[20:37:25] <wjp> bye
[20:38:52] <Colourless> thx
[20:39:35] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[20:39:53] <Fingolfin> wjp: oh ahm, well, let me resume that build which I aborted earlier *cough*
[20:41:32] <Colourless> hi
[20:42:06] * Dominus thinks he should say hi here as well
[20:42:07] <Dominus> hi
[20:51:47] <Colourless> you know i don't have any odd font sizes in my emails from artaxerxes
[20:52:25] <Dominus> me neither
[20:53:18] <Colourless> no 'dice rolls' for font sizes :-)
[20:53:28] <Colourless> Email... D20 style! :-)
[20:53:35] <Dominus> damn, i should have read Artaxerxes post about differences between austrian german and german german a lot earlier
[20:53:50] <Dominus> gonna give a small lecturing now...
[20:55:56] <Fingolfin> wjp: it compiles fine, it seems
[21:04:45] <wjp> Fingolfin: k, great
[21:07:55] <Colourless> well, what about beos wjp?
[21:08:09] <wjp> I have no idea
[21:08:19] <wjp> I don't know anybody who runs it
[21:10:44] <wjp> the solaris machine I have access to runs rather old autotools, so it won't really work there
[21:11:16] <wjp> I'm guessing it should (still) work with up-to-date autotools...
[21:11:43] <Dominus> so I have to change the FAQ now: Operating Systems Exult used to run on...
[21:12:11] <wjp> hmmm... no...
[21:12:17] <Colourless> i heard that BeOS is 'supposed' to be getting gcc 3.2 or something 'soon'
[21:12:18] <wjp> the main problem is lack of SDL
[21:17:08] <Dominus> Colourless: I'm just thinking of the installer for exult
[21:17:25] <Dominus> is sdl_mixer.dll now included?
[21:18:31] <Colourless> yes it will be
[21:19:00] <Dominus> great
[21:51:49] <Dominus> he he next yer there will be a Start Trek parody in German Cinema
[21:53:03] <Dominus> a parody on the original series, with the main characters being portrayed as gay...
[22:06:05] <Dominus> ok, see you next time, gonna watch now a couple of enterprise episodes /as my gf is already asleep and doesn't need to be entertained)
[22:06:36] <Colourless> uh enterprise.... i can't stand that show anymore
[22:07:04] <Dominus> I'm at ebginning of series 2 now
[22:07:15] <Dominus> still not sure what to think of ir
[22:07:18] <Dominus> it
[22:07:48] <Dominus> very confusing beginning of the series 2
[22:08:01] <Colourless> i lost interest at about episode 5 series 2 :-)
[22:08:14] <Dominus> I'd rather have Farscape :-)
[22:08:31] <Dominus> I'm at episode 3 of 2
[22:10:08] <Dominus> ah, the joys of living alone... now that I moved together with my gf, I no longer have the joy of watching tv and sitting in front of the tv anymore
[22:10:20] <Dominus> seperate rooms for the two boxes...
[22:10:23] <Dominus> :-(
[22:10:41] * Dominus glances over his shoulder
[22:10:56] <Colourless> ah farscape
[22:11:31] * Dominus whispers: never, ever move in with your gf. you'll loose your broadband and your ability to sit in front of the PC and the TV at the same time
[22:11:38] <Colourless> just watched episode 16 season 3 last night
[22:11:53] <Dominus> now which one is that
[22:12:28] <Dominus> Revenging Angel
[22:12:33] <Colourless> yes
[22:12:43] <Dominus> don't remember what that one is about anymore
[22:13:03] <Colourless> *hint* cartoons
[22:13:11] <Dominus> oh
[22:13:14] <Dominus> that one
[22:13:28] <Dominus> I was just about to mention my favourite ones
[22:13:34] <Dominus> and that is one of them
[22:13:43] <Dominus> I just don't remember the episode names
[22:13:44] <Colourless> it was a briliant episode
[22:14:07] <Colourless> the episode names are hardly important
[22:14:21] <Colourless> especially when the relevance to the actual episode isn't always obvious
[22:15:00] <Dominus> the other one I like is the one in which they are on some fun panet and are constantly on some kind of drug
[22:15:06] <Dominus> very surreal as well
[22:15:23] <Colourless> ep 13 se 2?
[22:15:46] <Dominus> I was thinking this could be it
[22:16:17] <Dominus> they loose their favourite grey girl
[22:16:31] <Dominus> and the whole story is actually retold...
[22:16:31] <Colourless> yes indeed
[22:16:50] <Colourless> and their 'least' faviourite girl with red hair, and a really irritating scream :-)
[22:17:23] <Dominus> ah and something about body fluids....
[22:17:32] <Dominus> ugh
[22:17:36] <Colourless> yah
[22:17:46] <Dominus> oh well, so sad it got cancelled
[22:17:52] <Dominus> my favourite show
[22:18:07] <Dominus> another one that got butchered by bad dubbing in German, btw
[22:18:22] <Dominus> I can't watch it in German. It's just not as funny
[22:19:15] <Colourless> i couldn't imagine it being dubbed
[22:19:34] <Dominus> when you live here it is easy to imagine
[22:19:42] <Dominus> everything gets dubbed
[22:20:44] <Dominus> well, off to watch enterprise
[22:20:51] <Dominus> see you
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[23:45:04] <ShadwChsr> hey :)