#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 23 Apr 2001 (GMT)

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[00:11:41] <Kirben> hmm makefiles stuffed up again
[00:11:54] <mattownby> poor win32 =]
[00:13:06] <Kirben> Just looks like filename error, filelist.o instead of listfiles.o
[00:30:40] <Kirben> hmm still no new saved game box
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[11:04:26] <Dominus> Kirben
[11:04:28] <Dominus> Hi
[11:04:32] <Dominus> still here?
[11:06:12] <Kirben> yes
[11:06:40] <Dominus> I saw you mention that there is still no new sagegame menu
[11:06:52] <Dominus> you have to change your defaultkeys
[11:07:01] <Dominus> .txt
[11:07:18] <Dominus> and confuígure exult.cfg to it
[11:07:37] <Dominus> in defaultkeys add game_menu
[11:08:08] <Kirben> What change is needed in defaultkeys.txt ?
[11:08:21] <Dominus> ad a line:
[11:08:30] <Dominus> G game_menu
[11:08:52] <Dominus> and in exult.cfg set it to use defaultkeys.txt
[11:09:06] <Dominus> instead of (default)
[11:09:37] <Dominus> looks great
[11:09:58] <Dominus> though the game menu doesnīt do much else than the new savegame menu yet as it seems
[11:10:06] <Kirben> cool, worked :)
[11:10:34] <Kirben> Yes game menu is still unfinished
[11:10:39] <Dominus> if it werenīt for exultbot logs I wouldnīt have known what to do, too
[11:10:49] * Dominus hugs Exultbot
[11:11:47] <Dominus> but wjp or someone else should add it to the default once the game menu does the other stuff
[11:12:31] <Kirben> I'm sure they will once it is finished
[11:13:42] <Dominus> I would like to know how to call the new savegump directly...
[11:14:01] <Dominus> hope one of them checks in sometime today
[11:14:08] * Dominus is sure they will
[11:15:48] <Dominus> Kirben: it would be intersting to know how many people check out the daily snapshot everyday
[11:16:22] <Dominus> iīm sure your page gets a lot of daily hits (from me alone surely)
[11:18:40] <Kirben> checking...
[11:19:38] <Kirben> 200-300 daily hits, about 90-100 unique
[11:19:58] <Kirben> But site hosts more than just exult
[11:20:10] <Kirben> dbz clips and windrop too
[11:20:21] <Dominus> ahh
[11:21:02] <Kirben> http://io.spaceports.com/~kirben/dbz/ and http://io.spaceports.com/~kirben/windrop/ in case you are interested
[11:22:38] <Dominus> what is Eggdrop (the windrop mini FAQ is funny - says itīs the Eggdrop for Win32 but not what Eggdrop is)?
[11:23:09] <Kirben> it is just windows version of the eggdrop bot for irc channels
[11:23:44] <Kirben> http://www.eggfaq.com/
[11:24:16] <Dominus> ah, I see
[11:24:18] <Dominus> thx
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[11:41:21] <Nadir> hi kirben
[11:41:35] <Dominus> hi nadir
[11:41:53] <Nadir> hi
[11:42:16] <Kirben> Hi
[11:42:22] <Nadir> the new save gump is great
[11:45:33] <Kirben> yep
[11:46:00] <Dominus> I love it
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[11:46:40] <Nadir> Why isn't it enabled by default ?
[11:47:06] <Dominus> the gamemneu doesnīt work yet safe for the save gump
[11:47:22] <Dominus> I guess thatīs the reason
[11:48:13] <Nadir> Well, I was really expecting it to be bound to "S", and replace the old file gump
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[11:48:40] <Dominus> me too
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[12:03:23] <matt0> dominus is here?
[12:03:33] <Dominus> yep
[12:03:34] <Dominus> Hi
[12:03:38] <matt0> dominus! =]
[12:04:10] <matt0> Dominus: my brother wanted me to ask you something but I have forgotten what it was =]
[12:04:23] <Dominus> ?
[12:04:28] <Dominus> related to exult?
[12:04:44] <matt0> he just barely told me tonight too... how silly of me to forget hehe
[12:04:50] <matt0> yes, related
[12:04:57] <matt0> He downloaded your sound file pack
[12:05:03] <matt0> and liked it
[12:05:31] <matt0> anyway.. I can't remember.. all I can tell is, he likes your sound file pack you made
[12:05:35] <matt0> =]
[12:05:40] <Dominus> all those sounds are "stolen" copyrighted material by Origin
[12:05:45] <matt0> I know hehehehe
[12:05:54] <Dominus> save those by Joseph I used
[12:06:13] <Dominus> I should get around to find some sounds that are free
[12:06:17] <matt0> hehehe
[12:06:19] * Dominus is lazy
[12:06:26] <matt0> we were hoping that one day we will see the "Dominik FAQ"
[12:06:44] <Dominus> ?
[12:06:45] <matt0> j/k hehe
[12:06:59] <matt0> (remember how I "suggested" you become a FAQ writer? hehe)
[12:07:07] <Dominus> ahh
[12:07:38] <Dominus> the famous "if you ask for it - do it yourself"
[12:07:43] <matt0> so have you seen that game Gothic?
[12:08:09] <Dominus> nah, only heard of it and at the moment Iīm a little low on money
[12:08:15] <matt0> yes, He who asks volunteers =]
[12:08:24] <matt0> I downloaded the demo...
[12:08:32] <matt0> watched a bit of it tonight
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[12:08:41] <matt0> it was all in German but I could understand 25% of it hehe
[12:09:06] <Colourless> hi
[12:09:16] <Dominus> AFAIK they couldnīt find a publisher for America or elsewhere
[12:09:17] <matt0> hey cless
[12:09:22] <matt0> oh really?
[12:09:26] <matt0> so there is no English version, eh?
[12:09:27] <Dominus> Hi Colourless
[12:09:44] <Dominus> AFAIK but I donīt know much - at least about this game
[12:10:00] <matt0> that's ok, I can play it and learn German at the same time =]
[12:10:16] * Dominus hugs Colourless for doing the new savegame
[12:10:29] <Colourless> :)
[12:10:40] <Dominus> matt0 : we can do German lessons here :-)
[12:11:05] <Dominus> or get a german U7 version
[12:11:24] <matt0> well as long as you don't laugh at me <grin>
[12:11:58] <matt0> ich kann spreche ein bischen Deutsch, aber nicht sehr gut
[12:12:59] <Dominus> ich kann ein bischen Deutsch sprechen -> corrected
[12:13:01] <Dominus> :-)
[12:13:14] <matt0> oh yeah..
[12:13:19] <Dominus> odd word order in German
[12:13:29] <matt0> I could've done it correctly if I spent a bit more time constructing the sentence
[12:14:37] <Dominus> Colourless: is there a way to call the new save gump directly via a shortcut? Presently I have reassigned "s" to call game_menu
[12:15:07] <Colourless> dom: no
[12:15:39] <Colourless> it would take about 1 minute to change that though :)
[12:16:11] <Dominus> would be great not to have to go through the game menu all the time
[12:16:34] <Dominus> especially as the rest of it is not working yet :-)
[12:16:55] <Dominus> (wasnīt intended to be pestering)
[12:16:58] <Colourless> hehe.
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[12:49:42] <TonyHoyt> Hello people.. What's new?
[12:50:06] <Colourless> haven't you heard :)
[12:50:15] <TonyHoyt> Eh?
[12:50:44] <Colourless> the new save game gump
[12:51:06] <TonyHoyt> Ahhh, finaly finished that? Excelent.
[12:51:26] <Colourless> yes, it's finished :)
[12:52:20] <TonyHoyt> Sweet. So now the option for unlimited saves per game?
[12:52:43] <Colourless> yeah. :)
[12:53:02] <TonyHoyt> Sweet. Good going.
[12:53:12] <Colourless> only problem is the new gump isn't available by default
[12:55:35] <TonyHoyt> enabled in the cfg file though?
[12:56:05] <Dominus> you have to add a key in the defaulttkeys.txt
[12:56:09] <Dominus> like
[12:56:16] <Dominus> g game_menu
[12:56:37] <Dominus> and then tell Exult to use this txt file instead of default in exult.cfg
[12:56:48] <Dominus> btw, hi Tony
[12:56:50] <Colourless> dom: not for much longer :)
[12:56:51] <Dominus> :-)
[12:57:06] <Colourless> i'm about to commit a key bind to bring up the gump by itself
[12:58:08] <Dominus> can you replace the old one with the new one by default (s)? and bind the old one to something else (as it is still needed right now for sound settings)
[12:58:23] <Nadir> I agree with dominus
[12:58:25] * TonyHoyt smiles
[12:58:29] <TonyHoyt> Hi guys.
[12:59:20] <Colourless> Nadir: It doesn't work in macos at the moment
[12:59:40] <TonyHoyt> Ever think about setting up a full featured setup screen like you see in more recent games? Music volume bar, Sound Volume bar, Gama correction, etc.
[12:59:43] <Dominus> damn! filelist ?
[12:59:48] <Colourless> ueah
[12:59:50] <Colourless> yeah even
[13:00:01] <Colourless> TonyHoyt: that's the plabn
[13:00:14] <TonyHoyt> Cool. hack away oh masters of Exult.
[13:00:15] <Colourless> if you know what a plabn is... hint it's a plan :)
[13:00:24] <Dominus> Tonyhoyt: see the game menu (if you can)
[13:00:39] <TonyHoyt> There is the inital game menu, I remember that.
[13:00:57] <Colourless> th: no it's not that
[13:01:14] <Dominus> no there is a new one that gets called via g (if you follow my previous replies)
[13:01:26] <TonyHoyt> Ahh.
[13:02:30] <Colourless> just commited changes to add a new key bind "newfile_gump"
[13:02:46] * Colourless curses himself over his poor spelling
[13:06:03] <TonyHoyt> So what do you want to move on to next, colour?
[13:06:37] <Colourless> I have something Non exult that I want to finish off first before doing more on exult.
[13:06:52] <Dominus> shortening the bug list ? Nahh, as you said another time thatīs only a distraction :-)
[13:07:04] <Dominus> from the non Exult project :-)
[13:08:51] <Nadir> we need a screenshot of the new gump on exult's webpage
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[13:10:06] <Colourless> yeah, it's probably a good idea
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[13:11:40] <TonyHoyt> wb Dom.
[13:11:48] <Dominus> :-)
[13:11:50] <Dominus> thx
[13:12:29] <Dominus> did I miss the master plan?
[13:12:42] <Nadir> It's gnone now
[13:16:39] <TonyHoyt> There going to port Ultima 6 to Exult, includeing the two extra u6 engine games that came out after it.
[13:16:50] <Dominus> :-)
[13:17:15] <TonyHoyt> And then take over the world! Muah ha ha ha ha *cough* ummm uh well yes. New save gump!
[13:17:15] <Dominus> thatīs easy as soon as the EXULT sTUDIO COMES OUT
[13:17:19] <Colourless> that's after porting U9 to exult and fixing all the problems
[13:17:28] <Dominus> oops, hit the Caps
[13:17:59] * Colourless looks around
[13:18:12] <TonyHoyt> Exult Studio is a u7 developer wanabe's dream. As soon as it's done that is.
[13:18:13] <Colourless> Exult studio... what's that :)
[13:18:39] <Dominus> its a studio where we can all exult
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[13:19:28] <Dominus> matt0: wb
[13:24:07] <Nadir> I claim the right to the name "Exult Studio".
[13:29:12] <Dominus> Nadir: when I saw the first screenshot of Exult Studio I wanted to scroll down the window :-)
[13:30:23] <matt0> Dominus: thx
[13:30:26] <matt0> time for me to go to sleep
[13:30:40] <Dominus> sleep well!
[13:31:43] <matt0> 7:31 am =(
[13:31:43] <Colourless> CYA
[13:31:43] <Colourless> :)
[13:31:43] <matt0> bye =]
[13:36:10] <Nadir> I'm not entirely certain Exult Studio should be a GTK+ app...
[13:38:51] <Colourless> why
[13:39:50] <Nadir> We could create a few gumps and use Exult as its own editor
[13:40:59] <Colourless> IMO exult doesn't have a good system to be doing that sort of thing.
[13:42:16] <Nadir> yeah, lots of hard work...
[13:53:24] <TonyHoyt> Might be time to do a design plan all on paper first. Before moveing ahead with a editor.
[14:00:02] <Nadir> design plan ? what's one of those ? Colourless ?
[14:00:07] * TonyHoyt chuckles
[14:00:36] <Colourless> beats me. I've never made one
[14:00:47] <TonyHoyt> I'm about to offer some advice to a group working on a online game and the big thing I'm going to harp on them about is makeing a huge game plan.
[14:01:28] <Colourless> yeah. It's not just a good idea, it's really essential to have one.
[14:01:58] <TonyHoyt> You guys basicly where working on a remake. luckly the game plan was the game. But to go further, it is a good idea.
[14:04:41] <Colourless> Exult's plan really is just to get the games to work. We all know the features that are required so it's not like we can really experience feature creap. Though we sometimes we do add things that aren't required
[14:05:35] <Dominus> new savegame gump?
[14:05:39] * Dominus ducks
[14:05:46] <TonyHoyt> I think a plan is there to help people know why things are the way they are, or how things are supposed to be in the game. Just to keep everyone educated on what's going to happen.
[14:06:38] <Nadir> Well, I think the feature-creeping we've added to Exult (and especially your work, Ryan) are worth it: paperdolls, keybinder, cheats, scaling, etc. I can't play the original anymore :)
[14:07:02] <Dominus> thatīs right, Nadir
[14:08:02] <TonyHoyt> Well also a plan is to help list what 'original' features need to be done. Such as makeing spells work, Fixing all intrinsicts, Fixing game intro to match original, etc.
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[14:10:14] <Colourless> hmmm. What happened????
[14:10:43] <Dominus> strange
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[14:17:03] <wjp> hi all
[14:17:15] <Dominus> hi
[14:17:23] <Colourless> hi
[14:17:54] <wjp> Colourless: you fixed the 4-32 too? hmm... I must've forgot to fix it this morning
[14:18:35] <Colourless> wjp: yeah
[14:19:03] <Nadir> hi wjp
[14:20:34] <Nadir> Colourless: enabling the new file gump by default would convince the other platform maintainers to provide the file list code VERY quickly :)
[14:21:05] <wjp> Nadir: how mean :-)
[14:21:22] <Colourless> haha
[14:21:29] <wjp> only MacOS classic should lack glob() though
[14:21:29] <Nadir> yes, but very effective :)
[14:21:57] <Nadir> any replacements out there ?
[14:21:59] <wjp> Nadir: as soon as the 'audio options' part of the new game menu works, the old one can go
[14:22:13] <Nadir> yes. who's working on it ?
[14:22:17] <wjp> nobody :-)
[14:22:45] <Nadir> CFV ?
[14:22:59] <wjp> cfv?
[14:23:08] <Nadir> call for volunteers :)
[14:23:08] <Colourless> yeah???
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[14:28:38] <wjp> let's have a little 'design chat' first :-)
[14:29:00] <wjp> what options do we want in there?
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[14:31:17] <Colourless> Well, you'd want options we have at the moment.
[14:31:55] <Colourless> Including the ones in the Exult Menu
[14:32:05] <wjp> another thing: do we want to have all options in both the exult-menu setup and the in-game setup?
[14:32:43] <Colourless> no idea. To some extent everything in the Exult menu will become somewhat redundant
[14:33:37] <Colourless> I'd also like to see midi reverb and chorus toggle.
[14:37:55] <Nadir> But some things do make sense in the Exult Menu, mainly because they affect Intros and Menus...
[14:38:45] <Colourless> yeah.
[14:39:44] <Dominus> which reminds me, Colourless: Skip intro skips the peter/Iolo speech in the beginning of BG are there plans to do this for SI as well (starting right after Iolos Speech in SI)? OT a the moment, I know
[14:40:22] <Colourless> AFAIK can't be done.
[14:40:34] <Dominus> oh, ok
[14:40:47] <Colourless> not easily anyway
[14:41:05] <Dominus> then donīt, will probably only break something and is not important at all
[14:41:39] <Dominus> and the midi conversion would probably not work in game as well, or?
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[14:41:55] <Colourless> midi conversion will work fine in the game
[14:42:18] <Dominus> scaler, too?
[14:42:37] <Colourless> yeah, that will work too. It's a VIDEO option btw ;-)
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[14:43:44] <Dominus> nice one, actually as it is easier to compare the scalers then (got a mail recently in which somebody asked for specific explanation for it and all I could say was - see for yourself)
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[14:44:48] <Colourless> yeah.
[14:45:33] <Dominus> will there be volume settings in the sound options?
[14:46:07] <Colourless> i doubt it. that can't be done at the moment
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[15:00:41] <TonyHoyt> Hello again guys.
[15:00:57] <Colourless> hi
[15:01:09] <TonyHoyt> ack.. brb
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[15:11:30] <wjp> I'm going home; bye
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[15:11:38] <Colourless> ok cya
[15:13:36] <Nadir> i'm going too. bye
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[15:23:15] <Dominus> iīm going to leave now as well, bbl
[15:23:16] <Dominus> bye
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[15:29:20] <TonyHoyt> And hello again.... *grumbles*
[15:29:42] <Colourless> wb
[15:30:07] <TonyHoyt> Office network trouble. Looks like one of our systems got hacked.
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[16:02:03] <TonyHoyt> Hi Wjp.
[16:02:08] <wjp> hi Tony
[16:02:22] <TonyHoyt> What's new with you?
[16:02:24] <Colourless> wb
[16:02:32] <wjp> oh, nothing really
[16:02:33] <wjp> thx
[16:03:51] <TonyHoyt> Okay.
[16:09:34] <wjp> Colourless: did someone get volunteered for the audio options yet? ;-)
[16:09:43] <Colourless> of course not
[16:10:18] <wjp> hmm... why did someone called "who_is_wjp" enter #exult at 7:35 tonight?
[16:11:38] <wjp> and judging by the quit msg. it would be matt...
[16:14:06] <wjp> dinner's ready; bbl
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[16:29:38] <TonyHoyt> wb wjp.
[16:29:42] <wjp> thx
[17:03:06] <TonyHoyt> seeya guys
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[18:07:53] <wjp> Colourless: how would you prefer the setup screens? the way the exult menu does it (with a label and a button with various values) or as in the original filegump (with a button that changes colour)?
[18:08:19] <Colourless> probably more like the originals
[18:09:36] <wjp> and with the things like conversion filter where you can select multiple options?
[18:10:17] <Colourless> hadn't thought of that
[18:10:28] <wjp> brb
[18:15:10] <wjp> b
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[20:58:52] <Arizail> Hail and well meet
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