#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 23 Aug 2007 (GMT)

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[00:21:12] <meepmeep> hello
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[00:46:40] <meepmeep> hey, if i wanted to install the ogg music files, would i install them into /usr/games/exult/data/music?
[00:47:16] <meepmeep> or would i install them into my home directory, ~/.exult/data/music?
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[11:56:34] <gourdin> hi there
[12:01:23] <gourdin> i got this problem compiling the cvs version : http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=81869&t=81537
[12:01:31] <gourdin> any workaround now ?
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[12:15:58] <wjp> the top one? did you do what I suggested in post 3?
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[12:40:22] <gourdin> yes, I got the errors in post 6 (xdrag.cc)
[12:40:43] <gourdin> I already got Uc_scope declared in ucsym.h
[12:41:04] <gourdin> I know it compiled on another old debian
[12:41:13] <gourdin> here I got a feisty fawn linux
[12:41:34] <wjp> you need to manually link against the X libraries
[12:42:32] <gourdin> ho
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[12:44:11] <gourdin> it works, thanks
[12:44:47] <wjp> I should look into why this is necessary on debian-based systems sometime
[12:45:01] <gourdin> =)
[12:45:04] <wjp> and write a configure check for it...
[12:45:20] <wjp> just a bit hard without a debian/ubuntu system :-)
[12:45:29] <gourdin> I don't know how to add this in configure to put the -l in the Makefile
[12:45:38] <gourdin> if you want, I can test it for you
[12:45:53] <wjp> first step is figuring out why it's necessary :-)
[12:45:58] <gourdin> =)
[12:46:34] <wjp> open configure.ac and copy the SYSLIBS=..... line from the openbsd*) section to the linux*) section
[12:47:09] <wjp> (around line 50-100)
[12:47:23] <gourdin> done
[12:48:36] <gourdin> i'll test it
[12:48:50] <gourdin> it seems logical to me to link against the X libs
[12:49:02] <gourdin> why isn't this required on other system ?
[12:49:17] <wjp> they should automatically be pulled in through SDL
[12:49:44] <wjp> X isn't the only video driver for SDL, by the way
[12:50:02] <gourdin> ha ok
[12:50:04] <wjp> it should also be possible to run it in a framebuffer, for instance
[12:52:24] <gourdin> the firs error, uclex / parse.cc .h aren't requiered in the 1.4 ?
[12:53:07] <wjp> that was a report from 2006, so it's probably been fixed already
[12:54:19] <gourdin> not in the cvs tar.gz
[12:54:29] <gourdin> I got an old version ?
[12:54:31] <wjp> hm
[12:54:43] <gourdin> perhaps I have to cvs co ?
[12:55:24] <wjp> which yacc/bison do you have?
[12:55:32] <wjp> and which flex?
[12:56:04] <gourdin> flex 2.5.33-10build1
[12:56:10] <gourdin> bison 2.3.dfsg-4build1
[13:04:04] <gourdin> ok
[13:04:10] <gourdin> I don't know what happened
[13:04:13] <gourdin> i rm -rf
[13:04:40] <gourdin> i wget exult-cvs then detared it
[13:04:48] <gourdin> I modified the configure.ac
[13:04:52] <gourdin> everything work now
[13:04:54] <gourdin> (?!=
[13:04:55] <gourdin> )
[13:05:14] <wjp> did you install/upgrade flex and/or bison after running configure for the first time?
[13:05:21] <gourdin> yes
[13:05:36] <gourdin> it a explanation
[13:05:44] <gourdin> s/it/it is/
[13:05:48] <wjp> yes
[13:05:49] <gourdin> an
[13:05:50] <gourdin> =)
[13:05:55] <gourdin> cool
[13:06:37] <gourdin> thx for the feedback
[13:06:58] <gourdin> are you going to update the configure.ac ?
[13:18:30] <pupnik> i want to implement a framebuffer driver too
[13:19:40] <pupnik> use sdl to make the fs window, then blast the frames to fb by hand
[13:20:22] <pupnik> has someone made a button-avatar+savefile-naming patch?
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[14:37:02] <pupnik> i am master of 24x24 icons
[14:37:23] <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/arnims_tometilewarp.jpg
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[16:47:07] <moveax> Hi, is anyone about?
[16:47:12] <pupnik> ya
[16:47:31] <moveax> I did a Google as I'm looking for a help channel on the TES Constructio Set
[16:47:35] <moveax> And this channel came up, heh
[16:47:40] <moveax> It found a log entry.
[16:47:56] <moveax> Can I receive any such help here?
[16:48:22] <Cahaan> this chan is not really related to TES though
[16:48:43] <moveax> What is it related to?
[16:48:50] <Cahaan> Ultima 7
[16:49:03] <Cahaan> exult is the "Ultima 7 reborn" project
[16:49:27] <moveax> Oh I see.
[16:50:23] <moveax> Well, that's a shame, for me. :)
[16:50:24] <pupnik> i think the ultimas were the first plot-driven RPGs that had you go around doing hack-n-slash and questy-things
[16:51:05] <pupnik> oh i guess wizardry had some plot elements too
[16:51:26] <Cahaan> one of the first
[16:52:26] <moveax> Thanks anyway.
[16:52:28] <moveax> Bye.
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[16:54:16] <Cahaan> actually you are right pupnik
[16:54:30] <Cahaan> if we refer to wikipedia, it seems it's the first one of the CRPG genre
[16:54:35] <Cahaan> other were text-based
[16:54:42] <Cahaan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_computer_role-playing_games#1974
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[17:00:09] <pupnik> the wikipedia is personal-computer centric
[17:00:24] <pupnik> the first graphical dungeon crawl i played was akalbeth and moria
[17:00:35] <pupnik> but moria was 5 years old at the time - written in 1975 on the PLATO
[17:00:37] <pupnik> http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1396
[17:01:00] <pupnik> moria was so far ahead of its time
[17:01:09] <pupnik> it was a *multiplayer* dungeon crawl on-line
[17:01:56] <Cahaan> ah cool
[17:02:35] <Cahaan> I guess there were some C64 rpg games as well weren't there ?
[17:03:16] <pupnik> yeah but C64 came much later
[17:07:06] <pupnik> too tired to work
[17:07:56] <Cahaan> damn I didn't know that
[17:08:34] <pupnik> what do you do on exult?
[17:09:24] <Cahaan> play :) I wanted to help for the PPC port but I was not able to find enough free time for that. And it seems that someone else did it well
[17:09:33] <Cahaan> you?
[17:09:48] <pupnik> no i'm doing the nokia 770/N800 port
[17:09:59] <Cahaan> good
[17:10:09] <Cahaan> does it support C++ standard well ?
[17:10:33] <pupnik> it is linux, so gcc and standard tools are available
[17:10:38] <Cahaan> oh okay
[17:10:44] <Cahaan> that's nice
[17:10:45] <pupnik> also ruby, python, perl, scheme, lua etc
[17:11:19] <pupnik> yeah i want open source on pocket devices
[17:12:01] <pupnik> wintel was a rape
[17:12:02] <Cahaan> playing ultima 7 on a cellular... I remember when I had a hard time to fix those config.sys and autoexec.bat files in order to gain a few more bytes of memory
[17:12:43] <Cahaan> I was unable to have general midi and digitized voices at the same time
[17:12:49] <Cahaan> (or something like that)
[17:13:09] <pupnik> yeah well nokia 770/N800 isn't a phone - it's a linux pda with 800x480 screen
[17:13:48] <pupnik> phone screens are too small for my taste
[17:22:50] <Cahaan> PDA tend to be phones and phones tend to be PDAs these days
[17:31:54] <pupnik> it's a terrible idea
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