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[06:23:33] <Darke> Hiya.
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[10:01:33] <Colourless> hi
[10:01:39] <Darke> Hi!
[10:06:21] <sb-x> hi
[10:58:54] <sb-x> so long
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[11:44:24] <wjp> hi
[11:45:46] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:54:27] <Fingolfin> yo
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[12:03:47] <wjp> *sigh*
[12:04:23] * wjp kicks RH8 a couple of times
[12:06:15] * Darke suggests wjp kicks RH8 a few more times. It needs all the boot percussion it can get. *grin*
[12:06:24] * wjp kicks RH8 a couple of times more
[12:06:46] <wjp> I'm seriously getting tired of this
[12:07:51] <wjp> (of using it, not of kicking it, btw ;-) )
[12:08:17] * Darke snickers.
[12:08:33] * Darke converts wjp into a card carrying Gentoo Zelot.
[12:08:55] <wjp> yes... I'm seriously considering trying it :-)
[12:10:34] <wjp> isn't that Zealot, btw?
[12:11:19] <Darke> Yes. I was afflicted to temporary Colourless Disease. *grin*
[12:12:06] <Darke> s/to/by/ Look! It happened again!
[12:12:13] <wjp> I was just going to say that :-)
[12:12:56] <wjp> maybe I'll try installing Gentoo next to RH8 first
[12:13:08] * Darke has been using Windows a touch too much. That's probably the problem. *nodnodnod*
[12:13:34] * wjp looks at his partition-layout
[12:14:03] <Darke> s/next to/with/ If redhat is sufficiently stable and you've got a spare couple of partitions. *grin*
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[12:15:43] <Colourless> hi
[12:16:09] <wjp> hi
[12:16:39] <wjp> the gentoo installation page sure is long :-)
[12:17:47] <Darke> Mainly because it caters for pretty much every possible situation. *grin*
[12:19:24] <wjp> how long would it roughly take to install?
[12:19:34] <Darke> It's a bit simpler then that if you've already got a running linux install, and even simpler if you're not doing anything fancy (ext2/3 file systems, x+kde/gnome, etc).
[12:19:34] <wjp> hours? days? :-)
[12:20:05] <wjp> ext3 + x + gnome is considered fancy? :-)
[12:20:19] <Colourless> wjp, remember you are talking about linux :-)
[12:20:25] <Darke> No, that's the non-fancy bits. *grin*
[12:20:32] <wjp> Colourless: thanks for reminding me ;-P
[12:22:29] <Darke> On my 800Mhz Duron, about 4-6 hours to recompile the basic system (the 'bootstrap.sh'), the normal time to compile the kernel. X+KDE takes about 8-10 hours, IIRC.
[12:23:11] <wjp> ugh :-)
[12:23:14] <Colourless> ow
[12:23:16] <wjp> that's a bit long :-)
[12:23:25] * Darke notes OpenOffice takes 17hours on the same system to compile. *grin*
[12:23:37] <Colourless> that's just crazy
[12:23:51] <Darke> Define 'long'? I just set it up to compile overnight. OO is 'long'. *grin*
[12:23:53] <Colourless> how can something possibly take that long to compile
[12:24:08] <Colourless> i blame the compiler :-)
[12:24:18] * Darke shrugs. It's 101Meg compressed tar.gz file. Who knows. *grin*
[12:25:04] <Colourless> how big is the compiled binary?
[12:25:31] * Darke wonders if he bookmarked the story with the guy who looked after the NT build process at MS speaking about how the rebuild of the entire system took 4 days solid in parallel.
[12:25:37] * Darke will check.
[12:25:37] <Colourless> s/binary/binaries/
[12:27:28] <wjp> about 110Mb
[12:27:54] <wjp> 30Mb for the main package, 35 for the i18n package and 43 for the 'libs' package
[12:28:05] * Darke snorks. Gentoo actually supports installing the openoffice binaries as a seperate build. *grin*
[12:28:27] <Darke> Apparently it was a 'tad' too long for some people. *grin*
[12:29:02] * Darke idles. Washing up 'n stuff to do. Will intermittently reappear to supply witty commentary. Maybe.
[12:29:10] <Colourless> 110 mb isn't *that* bad. it's about what i'd expect. linking has got to be hell
[12:29:48] <wjp> hm, there's a lot of media files in there too
[12:30:41] <Darke> BTW, some of these times were done with the compiling niced to 15 whilst I was using the machine, OO in specific, so they'll likely be off on the 'too long' side a bit if you're compiling on a dedicated machine.
[12:32:41] <Colourless> so, does someone want to tell me how many header files the OO has?
[12:33:51] <wjp> I don't have the sources lying around, so I have no idea
[12:34:31] <Colourless> i would imagine that it's got quite a few, and headers are what seems to mostly kill performance in gcc
[12:39:32] * wjp nods
[12:56:59] <wjp> hmms.. is exult-general subscribed to some weird art ML?
[12:59:49] <Colourless> hell if i know. looks like spam to me, but strange spam at that
[13:03:31] * Darke returns to announce that OO has 707 header files, compared to 436 .c files.
[13:03:57] <Colourless> that is excessive IMO
[13:04:17] <Darke> (ML) Looks like it. Artprice.com looks legit too.
[13:54:03] * wjp notices he somehow left a 8Gb hole of non-partioned space on his HD
[13:56:09] <Colourless> impressive work wjp
[13:57:04] <Colourless> 8 gb, is more than half of the total amount of hd space that i've got :-)
[13:57:59] <wjp> heh :-)
[13:58:17] * Darke lost a 2GB and a 3GB pair of partitions once for about 6 months. This was on a 60GB drive with 10 partitions though. *grin*
[14:02:13] * wjp has got 120Gb of HDs in his PC now, and another 27Gb outside
[14:02:23] <wjp> don't think I lost any partitions *looks around* :-)
[14:04:20] * Darke looks under the couch. None here!
[14:05:15] * Darke used to have 120Gb of hdds in his PC, unfortunately when fscking a particularly badly b0rk3n partition on one of them, he kinda killed three from the heat. So now he's only got two hdds in his PC. *grin*
[14:05:35] <wjp> ah, yes, I remember that :/
[14:06:00] * wjp is 8 minutes away from having a gentoo linux stage 3 tarball
[14:06:55] * Darke snickers. That's somewhat of a quicker way. *grin*
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[14:10:16] <wjp> yes, should save me a couple of hours :-)
[14:31:39] * Darke snickers.
[14:32:01] <wjp> which kernel are you using?
[14:32:13] <wjp> gentoo/vanilla/other?
[14:32:18] <Darke> gentoo.
[14:33:32] <wjp> ...and another 28Mb... :-)
[14:33:38] <Darke> I figure it's likely going to be the most used, and therefore most 'tested' kernel, so it's probably the best option for one who knows little about it. *grin*
[14:33:40] <wjp> I wonder how much I'll have downloaded by the end of yoday :-)
[14:33:50] <wjp> today, even
[14:34:33] <Darke> X is what, 40Meg? KDE is 100Meg-ish. Not a clue as to how much a 'full' install of gnome is.
[14:34:52] <wjp> I'd guess about the same as KDE
[14:35:23] <wjp> couple of 100Mb's isn't too much of a problem, luckily :-)
[14:35:26] * wjp pats his ADSL
[14:35:59] <Darke> Bad wjp, you shouldn't torment Colourless like that. *grin*
[14:36:18] <wjp> hm, yes, oops, sorry :-)
[14:36:30] * Colourless sighs
[14:36:38] <Darke> wjp: After all, that's my job. *grin*
[14:37:03] <wjp> lol
[15:39:03] <wjp> right... that should finish the initial gentoo setup...
[15:39:05] <wjp> time to reboot :-)
[15:39:13] <wjp> I'll hopefully brb :-)
[15:39:18] <Colourless> cya
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[15:42:52] <wjp> right, so far so good :-)
[15:43:12] * Darke earperks. Always good. *grin*
[15:43:52] <wjp> now to install a decent editor instead of that 'nano' thing
[15:44:42] <wjp> why do they use an editor by default that auto-wraps lines?
[15:44:58] <wjp> if there's something you _don't_ want when editing config files it's line-wrapping
[15:45:03] * Darke has NO idea.
[15:45:07] <Darke> What so ever.
[15:46:08] <Darke> They go to the effort of _repeatedly_ emhasising in the documentation to use the -w flag every time you want to edit a config file, yet afaik, they _still_ haven't gotten around to getting a vi on the bootcdrom. *grin*
[15:46:59] <wjp> amazingly I missed that -w :-)
[15:47:20] <wjp> is it safe to use multiple emerge's in parallel?
[15:47:36] * Darke notes that if for some reason you want to emerge 'vi', make sure to emerge 'vim', not, 'vi'.
[15:47:42] <Darke> Yes.
[15:47:52] <wjp> I was just getting vim, yes :-)
[15:48:03] <wjp> I like my arrow keys :-)
[15:48:39] <wjp> next step was getting links, but it apparently wants to pull in all of X for that
[15:48:48] <wjp> ah well, I'm going to need that anyway :-)
[15:48:53] <Darke> If you want to get gvim too, make sure to emerge gvim seperately. They only got around to splitting the two seperate 'vim's into two packages recently. Made my reinstallation that less painful since I didn't have to install half of gnome first. *grin*
[15:49:31] * wjp wants to install all of gnome, in fact :-)
[15:50:23] <Darke> I found the most useful thing about gentoo is that you begin to realise just how much crud half the programs drag in, and some of the odder programs/libraries some depend on. *grin*
[15:50:32] <wjp> :-)
[15:50:59] <Darke> You'll no doubt want sdl, and sdl-mixer. Can't have you not able to compile exult, can we? *grin*
[15:51:20] <wjp> does exult have an ebuild script yet, btw?
[15:52:07] <Darke> AFAIK, nope. It's one of those things I've been meaning to get around to doing, but it's priority is so low I never get around to doing it. *grin*
[15:52:19] <wjp> heh :-)
[15:52:22] <Darke> You could just do an `emerge -s exult` to find out if there was an official exult ebuild.
[15:52:55] <wjp> now that 3 of the main devels have at least touched gentoo we kind of should have one, shouldn't we? :-)
[15:53:23] <Darke> It probably couldn't hurt, yes. *grin*
[15:54:03] <wjp> ah, emerge -s is nice :-)
[15:54:15] <wjp> beats find /usr/portage -name "*exult*"
[15:54:56] <Darke> `emerge -pu world` is the most common command you'll use, followed by `emerge -u world`, which is 'pretend to update everything' and 'update everything' respectively. *grin*
[15:55:02] <Darke> Yup. *grin*
[15:56:00] <wjp> 54% of X.. *yawn* :-)
[15:56:07] <Darke> If you want to create binary packages just add a 'b' to the commands (-pub/-ub), you'll get a .tar.bz2 file containing the compiled program/library in /usr/portage/packages/*.
[15:56:21] * Darke snickers. Wait until you need to wait for it to compile. *grin*
[15:57:15] <wjp> I can't wait :-)
[15:57:29] * Darke suggests rebooting into redhat, mounting and chrooting into your gentoo install, then doing this from there, if you're not doing so already. Means you can actually use your machine for something productive too. *grin*
[15:57:55] <wjp> well, I technically should be doing non-pc-related productive stuff :-)
[15:58:00] <wjp> (read: homework)
[15:58:16] <wjp> so it might actually be good not to have a pc fully available :-)
[15:58:31] * Darke snickers.
[16:01:37] <wjp> links has some interesting dependencies
[16:01:42] <wjp> I had no idea it had a graphical mode
[16:03:03] <Darke> It does some rather funky stuff with the mouse. I rather amazed a few people at work, being able to click on url links, with a mouse, in a ssh session with links running. *grin*
[16:04:37] <Darke> Looks like it drags in libjpeg and libpng as well for reasons unknown to me. *grin*
[16:05:37] * Darke guesses X support is needed to handle access to the mouse in X.
[16:06:52] <wjp> another src tarball for X...
[16:07:08] <wjp> first one was 26Mb, second 9Mb, this one is another 23Mb
[16:08:12] * Darke nods. It has three, plus a set of patches to bring it up to v4.2.1. The patches are only 200k though, so it's not as if it's a massive download. *grin*
[16:08:34] * wjp wonders if there are any good console games :-)
[16:09:17] * Darke notes his /usr/portage/distfiles directory is 2GB in size. *grin* Though it's certainly got a certain amount of old version duplication of things.
[16:09:44] <Darke> Can't think of any.
[16:10:05] <wjp> 86Mb here, and growing
[16:10:06] <Darke> Plenty of mud clients though.
[16:10:12] <wjp> nethack... *shudder*
[16:10:55] <Darke> Anything involving SDL and AALIB. *grin*
[16:11:01] <Darke> s/and/with/
[16:12:02] <Darke> You could install fortune-mod and sit there flicking through fortunes. *grin*
[16:12:34] <Darke> Or emerge mp3blaster/mpg123 and listen to your mp3/ogg collection. *grin*
[16:13:15] <wjp> that would involve remembering on which partition I stored those :-)
[16:14:26] <wjp> although I guess there's only a finite number of them to try :-)
[16:14:49] * Darke notes he has /mnt/tmp[1234] from that particular experience. He later squished all his mp3s onto one and a bit partitions, rather then having them scattered over half a dozen. *grin*
[16:16:48] <wjp> yikes, X uses a recursive make system too
[16:16:56] <Darke> Also you'll want to emerge 'gentoolkit', to get 'qpkg' which allows you to search over the package db, to seach for a package associated to a file and other things.
[16:17:28] <wjp> gentoolkit? heh :-) nice name
[16:17:41] <Darke> (X's make system) Should we steal it? *grin*
[16:19:05] <wjp> qpkg --help sure is colourfull :-)
[16:19:27] <wjp> colourful?
[16:19:39] <wjp> probably the latter, right?
[16:20:17] * Darke nods. Yup.
[16:20:38] <wjp> hm, m-w.com is trying to convince me it should be colorful :-)
[16:22:13] <Darke> That's 'cause m-w is a .us dic. *grin*
[16:23:53] <wjp> can emerge download and build in parallel?
[16:24:11] <wjp> i.e., download things while it's still building the previous one(s)?
[16:25:00] <Darke> I don't think so, but it's not as if I've tried to do that before. *grin*
[16:25:13] <Darke> Can't find anything in the docs about it though.
[16:26:41] <wjp> there's a --fetchonly
[16:27:08] <Darke> Yup. It doesn't build anything though, just fetches the packages.
[16:27:24] <wjp> I wonder if that works ok when doing an 'emerge package_with_lots_dependencies' and a 'emerge --fetchonly package_with_lots_of_dependencies'
[16:27:40] <wjp> (in parallel, of course)
[16:28:01] <Darke> In theory you could do a --fetchonly emerge in one window wait until the first package is downloaded, then start the emerge non-fetchonly in another window.
[16:28:29] <wjp> and then hope it takes longer to build the first one than it takes to download the second one? :-)
[16:28:32] <Darke> Actually, no I have done that before, it does work. Works well if you need to compile a dozen 'quick' programs. *grin*
[16:29:04] <Darke> If your first one is 'gcc', or something similarly large you'll have plenty of time. *grin*
[16:29:21] <wjp> or X? :-)
[16:29:43] <Darke> You can do things like `emerge -ub gcc xmms centericq kde` and have them emerge one after another. That's when the --fetchonly would be useful. *grin*
[16:29:51] * Darke snickers.
[16:30:16] <wjp> yikes, gnome sure needs a lot of packages
[16:30:21] <Darke> So yes, you can open another console and do a `emerge --fetchonly` for whatever you're emerging in the first window.
[16:30:47] * Darke remembers reporting that kde had about 50 dependant packages.
[16:32:01] <wjp> about the same for gnome from a rough count
[16:35:22] <wjp> there's probably a way to switch the download mirror used, right?
[16:38:24] <wjp> make.globals seems to have an option for that
[16:38:30] <wjp> (which IIRC I should change in make.conf?)
[16:38:46] <Darke> The answer is 'depends what for'. *grin* You can override any variables in /etc/make.globals (which include GENTOO_MIRRORS and SYNC), by adding 'identical' rules to /etc/make.conf
[16:39:34] <wjp> eeeek... it's probably not good that the X build aborts, is it?
[16:39:49] <Darke> Umm... no. *grin* What sort of error are you getting?
[16:41:28] <wjp> not much
[16:42:38] <wjp> and I can't scroll up :-(
[16:43:14] <wjp> do you have a program called 'getcwd'? (and if so, what package is it in?)
[16:44:32] <Darke> I've mention of it in a manpage, it's a function defined by POSIX.1.
[16:49:27] <Darke> What do you get when you `emerge -pu xfree`? Is it trying to emerge x11-base/xfree-4.2.1 or something else?
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[17:06:46] <Darke> `tools/fold/Folder.cpp:81: void value not ignored as it ought to be` <- One of the more amusing compiler error messages. *grin*
[17:12:23] <Colourless> why is it doing that?
[17:14:19] <Darke> I had forgotten a semicolon in a particular place, which made gcc think I was trying to use a 'void' returned from a void returning function. *grin*
[17:15:21] <Colourless> hmm, nice cryptic error message then
[17:16:17] <Darke> Very confusing since I kept reading it as s/void// for unknown reasons. *grin*
[17:17:16] <Darke> What's VC++ do in that situation, should you write something like `int x = assert(1);`?
[17:18:20] <Colourless> lets find out :-)
[17:19:02] <Darke> Actually 'assert's probably not the best choice, since it's allowed to be defined as a macro. *grin* Maybe just create a function returning void and use it instead.
[17:19:05] <Colourless> error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'void' to 'int'
[17:19:05] <Colourless> Expressions of type void cannot be converted to other types
[17:21:03] * Darke thinks that's just a _touch_ clearer, but gcc's is more amusing. *grin*
[17:23:04] <Colourless> the other variation is
[17:23:05] <Colourless> error C2440: '=' : cannot convert from 'void' to 'int'
[17:23:05] <Colourless> Expressions of type void cannot be converted to other types
[17:23:31] <Colourless> as you can tell, it's actually the same error number
[17:24:52] * Darke nods.
[17:26:38] <wjp> sorry I was gone for a while, but I didn't want to switch VC away from the compile again :-)
[17:26:46] <wjp> anyway, it worked properly this time
[17:26:55] <wjp> yes, it merged xfree-4.2.1
[17:27:15] * Darke yays!
[17:27:57] <wjp> not a clue why it didn't work before
[17:28:31] <wjp> X compile took about 40 minutes, it seems; not bad
[17:28:46] <wjp> and my --fetchonly gnome is done too; yay :-)
[17:30:44] * Darke snickers.
[17:32:38] <wjp> so, what's next?
[17:32:47] <wjp> I apparently have X now
[17:33:30] <Darke> I'd say gnome or links. *grin*
[17:33:51] <wjp> links is already done now :-)
[17:34:00] <wjp> configuring X, I guess
[17:34:08] <wjp> *shudder*
[17:34:21] <wjp> gentoo probably doesn't have an X config tool?
[17:38:02] <Darke> Not that I know of, and not that I've ever used anything other then the default X config tools. *grin*
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[17:46:39] <wjp> right, so what do I need to get a running X? ;-)
[17:46:50] * Darke suggests xf86cfg as a 'nice' gui config tool. Seems to detect most of the sane stuff.
[17:47:00] <Darke> What video card?
[17:47:04] <wjp> nvidia tnt2ultra
[17:47:14] <wjp> right now it seems to be having trouble locating its fonts
[17:47:19] <Darke> emerge the nvidia-driver and nvidia-glx.
[17:47:48] <wjp> nvidia-kernel?
[17:47:51] <Darke> I've had no problems with the 'default' config file created by xf86cfg before, so you might wish to try that.
[17:48:05] * Darke nods. That. Sorry, half asleep here. *grin*
[18:03:30] <wjp> do you use XFS?
[18:03:39] <Darke> Nope.
[18:03:41] <wjp> (X font server, I mean)
[18:03:51] <Darke> Ahh. Not sure. *grin*
[18:03:58] <wjp> ps auxww | grep xfs :-)
[18:04:23] <Darke> Just doing it (or something similar) and no I don't. *grin*
[18:07:56] <wjp> ok, it seems to work when I don't use xfs
[18:10:32] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[18:12:14] <Darke> Bye!
[18:12:38] * Darke wanders off himself. Must try to sleep. *grin* Night!
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[18:23:41] <Dominus> hey ho
[18:24:53] <Dominus> Yesterday my third nephew, Laszlo Sebastian, was born
[18:33:21] <wjp> hi
[18:33:24] <wjp> congrats :-)
[18:33:36] <Dominus> thx
[18:33:54] <Dominus> now both my sisters have little ones
[18:35:03] <Dominus> Now that I have the No Regret game I wonder again, why they didn't name the uscode file Gusecode.flx but Eusecode.flx
[18:35:38] <wjp> you have the german version?
[18:35:47] <Dominus> yep
[18:35:57] <wjp> interesting
[18:36:08] <wjp> Darke would like to hear that I guess
[18:36:11] * wjp pokes Darke|zzZ
[18:36:19] <Dominus> and a quick look at the usecode.flx tells me that it was partially translated
[18:36:37] <Dominus> example: ^Wir haben Energie- ^schwankungen in den^Schildgeneratoren ^im Hauptwartungs- ^raum. ^^Tony bR A
[18:37:54] <wjp> that sounds like german, yes :-)
[18:38:07] <Dominus> believe me it is :-)
[18:38:26] <wjp> we have energyfluctuations in the shieldgenerators in the main something room?
[18:38:51] <Dominus> main maintenance room
[18:39:22] <Dominus> but the rest is correct
[18:39:44] <Dominus> strange that some stuff is not translated
[18:39:49] <Dominus> right from the end:
[18:40:07] <Dominus> Locate Chuck Denning a destroy his bald head. 
[18:41:06] <wjp> I wonder if that actually shows up anywhere in-game
[18:41:38] <Dominus> I don't know as I haven't played Crusader
[18:42:07] <Dominus> and on my mom's machine I won't install fancy stuff like Virtual PC just to test it :-)
[18:42:13] <wjp> :-)
[18:42:41] * wjp has installed gentoo linux earlier today, btw
[18:42:54] <Dominus> I read the logs
[18:43:11] <Dominus> reminds of why I will not install ay linux :)
[18:43:15] <Dominus> ay/any
[18:43:31] <wjp> heh, don't let this discourage you :-)
[18:43:49] <wjp> gentoo is source-based. Most distros are binary-based and a lot easier to install :-)
[18:43:55] <Dominus> what was you problem with redhat?
[18:44:04] <wjp> it crashed for no particular reason
[18:44:14] <wjp> a couple of times each week
[18:44:30] <Dominus> ok, that discourages at least linux people
[18:44:41] <Dominus> we windows users are used to crashes
[18:44:43] <Dominus> :-)
[18:44:46] <wjp> :-)
[18:45:12] <Dominus> though on 2k/XP it got a lot better
[18:45:54] <Dominus> back to regret: on the cds are "goods", some pictures and a picture of the whole team
[18:46:16] <Dominus> I wonder if it is the same on the US/english CD
[18:48:07] <wjp> I'd check, but my No Regret CD is still shrink-wrapped :-)
[18:48:15] <Dominus> he he
[18:48:51] <Dominus> to see some pictures of my nephew: http://members.aol.com/plreichardt/
[18:49:04] <wjp> ah, I'm in text-mode right now :/
[18:49:18] <Dominus> the first one is a drawing by my GF daughter
[18:49:22] <Dominus> too bad
[18:51:42] * Dominus did *think* this time and already packed his Ultima 8 CD along with all the other Ultima CDs he got at his mom's place
[18:52:27] <wjp> :-)
[18:52:52] <Dominus> that is the Uw 1+2 EA Classics CD, U7 1+2 Classic CD, Complete Ultima 1-6 CD, Ultima Collection, and Ultima 8 EA Classics CD (with all the languages except Spanish of course)
[18:53:49] <wjp> nice collection :-)
[18:55:09] * Dominus still imagines a special EA package in the far future with UW 1/2, Ultima 1-9, Worlds of Ultima 1/2, Crusader 1/2 bundled with Exult, Pentagram, Uwadv, Peroxides U1-Remake and so on...
[18:55:53] <wjp> the far, far, far future :-)
[18:56:01] <wjp> or rather s/:-)/:-(/
[18:56:07] <Dominus> In a glaxy far away
[18:56:15] <Dominus> galaxy even
[18:58:37] <Dominus> oh and add to that actual collection above the original BG, U9+Ultima Collection (makes me own U1-6 three times and BG four times :-))
[19:00:14] <wjp> I own U1-8 four times, U9 twice, UW1-2 once, I think
[19:00:27] <Dominus> u9 twice?
[19:00:32] <wjp> yes... long story :-)
[19:00:36] <Dominus> he he
[19:00:42] <Dominus> no time right now
[19:00:46] <Dominus> got to go
[19:00:49] <wjp> interested in a U9 dragon edition? :-)
[19:00:53] <wjp> ok, see you later
[19:00:57] <Dominus> I have that myself :-)
[19:01:04] <wjp> pity :-)
[19:01:29] <Dominus> (me thinks that wjp got two DE of U9 and that would account to 2 Ultima Collections)
[19:01:43] <wjp> -DWNCK_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE <-- lol... in some gnome dependency compile
[19:01:51] <Dominus> he
[19:01:53] <wjp> yes, 2 UC's + 1 'real' UC
[19:02:08] <wjp> plus one U1-6 CD, one U7 'gold', and one original U8
[19:02:34] <Dominus> sounds like my collection only with one more DE :-)
[19:02:46] <Dominus> ok, see you later
[19:02:47] <wjp> bye
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