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[03:16:50] <Marzo> Hi
[03:17:00] <Dalian> greetings
[03:24:48] <Dalian> My knowledge is starting to come together but I wonder if there's something else I should be aware of. Stuff like shapes_info.txt and the paperdol.txt. I did poke around in the csv source but that's a lot of files :)
[03:25:15] <Marzo> And will be changing drastically in the near future too
[03:29:10] <Dalian> oh?
[03:30:13] <Marzo> I am working on a way to allow difference patches to the *.dat files that get saved by ES when you edit shape information and was thinking of using the shape_info file to store the data
[03:31:25] <Dalian> I guess I'm not clear on what a difference patch would do. I thought them being in patch made them that
[03:32:04] <Marzo> By 'difference patch' I mean that the files in the patch should contain only what makes them different from the original files
[03:32:26] <Marzo> Currently, the *.dat files in the patch dir contain all the data of the originals
[03:32:28] <Dalian> ahh right
[03:33:25] <Dalian> which is what the other files are currently
[03:33:44] <Marzo> Some of them; but none that are saved by ES
[03:33:51] <Marzo> (which I plan on changing too)
[03:33:51] <Dalian> I guess I hadn't noticed that the .dat files were like that
[03:34:31] <Marzo> It is kind of hard to notice it as they are binary files :-)
[03:35:59] <Dalian> I did notice the size of u7chunks seemed to grow disproportionate to the changes I made.
[03:36:25] <Marzo> u7chunks is also a full patch file
[03:36:51] <Dalian> aye. But the original is only 1.5mb. I added 3 chunks which made it grow by almost a meg
[03:37:13] <Dalian> 3k chunks = 1.5mb. 3003 chunks = 2.25mb? seems odd
[03:37:28] <Marzo> Hm. It is possibly because ES saves in an extended format
[03:37:39] <Marzo> I will have to take a look to be sure, though
[03:38:00] <Dalian> ok that makes sense. It has to compensate for the chunks that are already placed right?
[03:38:25] <Marzo> Yes; but like I said, I'll have to take a look to be sure
[03:38:40] <Marzo> (otherwise it is just conjectures :-P)
[03:38:47] <Dalian> :)
[03:39:54] <Dalian> I was wondering, because I noticed that adding chunks also puts a u7map in the main patch folder, tho I'm working on map01. I guess that's so map0 isn't messed up
[03:40:45] <Marzo> Correct; the new u7map uses the new chunk numbers
[03:41:06] <Marzo> (although I am not sure ES is smart enough to know that no chunks changed in numbers)
[03:41:16] <Marzo> *in=its
[03:41:35] <Dalian> In this case I was duplicating, so they did change
[03:43:38] <Dalian> Do you have any idea why I'd be having trouble making a Flat?
[03:44:25] <Dalian> I thought I saw a list of shape ranges, but can't find it now. That was my only guess
[03:44:43] <Marzo> For starters, they must be shape # < 150
[03:44:53] <Marzo> They must also be 8x8 tiles
[03:45:17] <Dalian> yes, it worked when I added it to an unused frame of an existing flat
[03:45:31] <Dalian> but won't inserting shapes throw all the usecode off?
[03:45:48] <Marzo> Yes
[03:46:32] <Dalian> frell :)
[03:47:16] <Dalian> s'ok I can't see making a lot of new flats anyway
[03:48:21] <Dalian> and there seem to be enough unused frames to do it that way
[03:48:49] <Marzo> I am not sure, but I think that there is a limit in the number of frames in flats
[03:48:56] <Marzo> I will have to check it to be sure
[03:49:14] <Dalian> 32 like everything else afaik
[03:49:49] <Marzo> Exult allows more than 32 frames -- you can have up to 255
[03:49:57] <Dalian> ah
[03:50:13] <Marzo> They will not, however, be rotate-able
[03:51:13] <Marzo> (which is fine for flats, as they can't be rotated anyway)
[03:51:40] <Dalian> but I want a field of rotating grass! :p
[03:51:50] <Marzo> lol
[03:52:09] <Marzo> Well, I am off for the night
[03:52:13] <Marzo> Good night
[03:53:05] <Dalian> night
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[06:58:11] <Baastuul> Hi, SB-X. I am actually going to go read Jane Eyre a little bit and then go to sleep. I have found that it is surprisingly good. I always thought of it as being dreary and boring, based just upon a brief taste of what it was about without ever having actually read the book itself, but I am finding that I am being pleasantly surprised.
[06:58:37] <Baastuul> In either case, good night.
[07:17:19] <SB-X> Good night!
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