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[00:14:34] <DraX> hmm
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[00:58:55] <DraX> hey
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[02:05:57] <sciflyer> hi
[02:06:45] <DraX> hey
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[02:50:33] <Kirben> Recompiled win32 exult with newer mingw32 (0.5) I wonder if it will offer any advantage
[02:50:50] <Kirben> exult looks in wrong place for _G_config.h though
[02:57:11] <Kirben> anyone know a current crash bug in exult cvs ? I want to try out new gdb program
[02:57:51] <sciflyer> crashes in beos because i dont have a stupid exult_bg.flx
[02:58:04] <Kirben> I can dcc that if you want
[02:58:14] <sciflyer> hmm
[02:58:17] <sciflyer> email it to me?
[02:58:23] <Kirben> what address ?
[02:58:27] <sciflyer> this client prealpha, no dcc
[02:58:32] <sciflyer> sciflyer@dls.net
[02:58:39] <sciflyer> this file is new?
[02:58:48] <sciflyer> i just dont get it in cvs snapshot
[03:00:08] <Kirben> Yes be makefile might be missing it, win32 makefile were for awhile
[03:00:39] <sciflyer> but i downloaded cvs source snapshot
[03:00:44] <sciflyer> and the file wasnt in there at all
[03:00:53] <sciflyer> unless it is made by makefile after the fact
[03:01:20] <Kirben> it is made by makefile
[03:01:46] <sciflyer> ohh, i see
[03:02:33] <sciflyer> thankee
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[03:08:08] <Kirben> try changing:
[03:08:10] <Kirben> $(EXEC) : Makefile data/exult.flx $(OBJS) beos/exult.rsrc
[03:08:12] <Kirben> to
[03:08:37] <Kirben> $(EXEC) : Makefile data/exult.flx data/exult_bg.flx $(OBJS) beos/exult.rsrc
[03:08:40] <Kirben> in makefile.be
[03:09:07] <sciflyer> i softlinked exult.flx to exult_bg.flx before
[03:09:53] <sciflyer> and that still works
[03:10:01] <sciflyer> now it cant find NPC.DAT
[03:10:05] <sciflyer> i think i have path issues
[03:21:46] <Kirben> hmm there is no npc.dat
[03:22:22] <Kirben> this new gdb debugger seems to work well
[03:23:11] <Kirben> ah now I see, npc.dat is created with new game
[03:23:34] <Kirben> so maybe gamedat path problem ?
[03:36:11] <sciflyer> its in ultima7/static
[03:38:47] <Kirben> odd its not in static directory of Ultima 7 here
[03:38:58] <Kirben> just gamedat directory
[03:39:00] <sciflyer> hmm
[03:41:22] <sciflyer> oh yeah it is in gamedat
[03:41:39] <sciflyer> and it does crash when i am starting new game
[03:49:00] <Kirben> exult_bg.flx file I emailed makes no difference ?
[03:49:19] <sciflyer> ehe, havent tried
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[11:02:34] <Kirben> Hi
[11:11:11] <Fingolfin> hi
[11:18:21] <Kirben> are luck getting cvs working ?
[11:23:16] <Fingolfin> I am back in normal MacOS right now
[11:23:30] <Fingolfin> I will have to install OpenSSH on my OS X to get write access to CVS, I think
[11:28:50] <Kirben> any idea if all spells in Ultima 7 should be working ?
[11:32:18] <Kirben> Summon doesn't work, just wondering if it was me
[11:35:24] <Fingolfin> not sure
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[11:53:34] <Kirben> guardian sounds weird at the moment in exult
[11:58:06] <Kirben> hmm bugs bugs bugs
[11:59:50] <Fingolfin> heheh
[12:34:50] <Kirben> hmm can the dead by killed ?
[12:37:26] <Fingolfin> I am not sure... maybe you should ask Buffy, the Vampire Slayer (tm) ? ;)
[12:37:30] <Fingolfin> but really
[12:37:40] <Fingolfin> I haven't played exult "for real" for quite some time :/
[12:40:54] <Kirben> I don't play exult that much either but when I do I often compare to original
[12:44:43] <Fingolfin> ha, I can't even play the original ;)
[12:44:48] <Fingolfin> but this is very good what you do
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[12:47:31] <Kirben> Hi Colourless
[12:47:39] <Colourless> hi
[12:47:59] <Kirben> do you have cvs access right now ?
[12:49:12] <Colourless> hmmm, doesn't appear so
[12:49:24] <Colourless> I could be mistaken though
[12:49:47] <Colourless> update just worked
[12:50:13] <Kirben> I have an updated makefile.cygwin/win32 to add
[12:50:38] <Kirben> last cygwin one didn't clean the tools *.o files
[12:50:44] <Colourless> i could add them if you want
[12:51:03] <Kirben> and win32 is now equal to cygwin one again
[12:51:09] <Kirben> ok should I just dcc ?
[12:51:13] <Colourless> yeah
[12:53:56] <Kirben> can you accept ?
[12:54:44] <Colourless> sorry about that, I was busy doing other things for a moment
[12:59:46] <Kirben> yes, dead should not be dying
[13:00:15] <Colourless> hmmm. IMO there really should be a separate toolsclean instead of just a single clean the effects exult itself and the tools. Install only effects exult itself, so IMO so should clean.
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[13:01:27] <Kirben> good point, I just thought it was easier to have an all in one clean
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[13:07:18] <Colourless> i think i'll make the changes and add a "make all", "make cleanall" and "make installall".... hmmm, that last one looks a little funny
[13:08:28] <Kirben> would a destination option be difficult to add too ?
[13:08:43] <Kirben> ie make install DEST=C:\Ultima77
[13:08:46] <Colourless> what do you mean?
[13:09:05] <Colourless> Hmm, perhaps, but I don't know how make works reall
[13:09:08] <Colourless> y
[13:09:53] <Kirben> ok just an option for future
[13:10:15] <Kirben> btw several new bug reports if someone wants to assign them
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[13:20:07] <Colourless> hi
[13:20:20] <wjp> hi
[13:24:49] <Kirben> Is there as way to teleport to a sextant address in exult ?
[13:25:04] <Colourless> no
[13:26:30] <Fingolfin> hi wjp
[13:26:45] <wjp> hey Max
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[14:27:07] <Fingolfin> still a nice topic ;)
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[16:00:41] <wjp> hi
[16:02:51] <sciflyer> eh, hey :)
[16:03:21] <sciflyer> i havent been up with exult for a while, thought i would check into it again
[16:05:45] <Fingolfin> hiya
[16:06:32] <Colourless> hi
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[16:24:40] <DraX> ok, there was a major threading bug in OpenBSD 2.8
[16:24:45] <DraX> so i'm upgrading to snapshot
[16:25:23] <Fingolfin> ahhhh
[16:25:27] <Fingolfin> which version do you use now?
[16:25:34] <DraX> 2.8-current
[16:25:40] <DraX> instead of the 2.8 release version
[16:26:31] <DraX> also as you might now i did get a build going on freebsd that worked
[16:26:39] <Fingolfin> wooo cool!
[16:26:41] <DraX> freebsd also needs unistd.h
[16:26:45] <DraX> so i'd make it standard if i were you
[16:26:55] <DraX> i don't know if the binary works because mike hasn't gone to run it for me
[16:27:00] <DraX> but the build worked
[16:27:45] <Fingolfin> colourless, wjp: you there (one of you)
[16:27:53] * Fingolfin has not gotten around installing OpenSSH yet
[16:28:09] <DraX> Fingolfin, comes standard with openbsd :P
[16:28:15] <Colourless> i'm here
[16:28:31] <Fingolfin> DraX: it is part of the OpenBSD project after all ;)
[16:28:45] <Fingolfin> DraX: and IIRC Apple doesn't include it by default due to licensing issues
[16:28:57] <wjp> I'm here too
[16:28:59] <Fingolfin> DraX: which file needed the unistd.h fix?
[16:29:24] <DraX> gump_utils.h
[16:29:29] <Colourless> probably none :) My one that came with MinGw32 is actually empty
[16:29:44] <Fingolfin> well
[16:29:48] <Fingolfin> but there is one, right?
[16:29:52] <Colourless> yeah
[16:29:53] <DraX> Fingolfin, it should be easier to include then gcc
[16:29:58] <Fingolfin> so it should be included on all systems, not only for OpenBSD
[16:30:08] <Fingolfin> DraX: hm, true
[16:30:20] <Fingolfin> DraX: but then, they also want to sell OS X Server vers soon now ;)
[16:30:22] <DraX> might be crypto licensing
[16:30:43] <Fingolfin> I can easily install it; just didn't get around to it; and right now I am wasting time with chatting again ;)
[16:37:01] <DraX> (6.55 KB/s)
[16:37:06] <DraX> god damn thats fast for my modem
[16:37:23] <DraX> gotta reboot with new kernel
[16:37:24] <DraX> brb
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[16:46:09] <DraX> ‰why didn't i head the warnings of X not working with wscons at this point?
[16:46:16] <DraX> i need to revert my kernel
[16:46:22] <DraX> although this one is much better :P
[16:48:10] <DraX> X works, mouse dosen't
[16:49:19] <Colourless> ‰?
[16:49:57] <DraX> Colourless, the new mouse device in openbsd 2.8-current is not supported in X11
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[16:53:20] <Colourless> that wasn't what I was asking. Look at this pic from my irc client http://www.users.on.net/triforce/look.gif
[16:54:06] <DraX> Colourless, if i don't have X, then how can i do that :P
[16:54:19] <wjp> I don't even get a promille char; I just get a little square
[16:54:55] <Colourless> drax: not my problem ;-)
[16:55:29] <DraX> i think i have a couple of options to run X11
[16:55:34] <DraX> well 3
[16:55:42] <DraX> 1: down grade kernel
[16:55:53] <DraX> 2: get the X11 packages that are went to be with 2.8-current
[16:55:58] <DraX> 3: get X4.0.3
[16:57:36] <DraX> threading dosen't seem to work at all anymore
[17:01:12] <DraX> hmm
[17:02:15] <DraX> 2
[17:02:47] <DraX> see the usb ports i didn't even know this board had, are supported by 2.8
[17:02:52] <DraX> so i'll stick with it
[17:07:38] <DraX> threading now works!!!!!
[17:08:22] <DraX> anyone else want to join in cheering the new openbsd version?
[17:11:57] <DraX> cleans ~root
[17:12:23] <Colourless> Hmm, doesn't look like anyone wants to cheer
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[17:24:33] * DraX is downloading new xserver now
[17:25:14] <DraX> i think i'm gonna go play alpha centuari on the windows box
[17:25:17] <DraX> i'll be around
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[18:12:16] <odoylerul> Anyone around?
[18:12:23] <wjp> yup :-)
[18:12:23] <wjp> hi
[18:12:27] <odoylerul> Hey
[18:12:33] <Colourless> yep. hi aswell
[18:12:48] <odoylerul> i'm getting this really crazy bird sounds in black gate
[18:13:01] <odoylerul> its loud and annoying
[18:13:51] <odoylerul> the rest of the sound pack is sweeeeeeeeet
[18:14:48] <odoylerul> is this happening for anyone else?
[18:15:50] <wjp> hmm
[18:15:55] <wjp> well
[18:16:05] <wjp> you're using the new .wav sfx?
[18:16:12] <odoylerul> yes i am
[18:16:35] <odoylerul> wait a minute, this is one which was updated a few days ago right?
[18:17:26] <wjp> not sure... I haven't really been paying attention the last couple of days
[18:17:51] <odoylerul> its only the bird sound that i kinda crappy, the rest is great
[18:18:24] <wjp> no, it doesn't really sound like a bird...
[18:18:40] <odoylerul> whatever it is, it scares me
[18:19:47] <odoylerul> as long as i'm not the only one that gets that sound, then i'm not worried
[18:20:05] <odoylerul> keep up the good work, seeya
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[18:33:24] <DraX> ~~wtf
[18:33:33] <DraX> they upgrade X, but mouse is still broken
[18:33:35] <DraX> thats sad
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[19:25:19] <Fingolfin|dinner> anyone running BSD here? ;)
[19:25:45] <Fingolfin|dinner> could you email me the manpage of "ppp" or "pppd" ?
[19:39:35] <DraX> Fingolfin|dinner, heh
[19:39:39] <DraX> Fingolfin|dinner, i am :P
[19:39:56] <DraX> Fingolfin|dinner, would just ppp scripts be ok?
[19:39:59] <DraX> i have to reboot
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[20:04:35] <DraX> hmm
[20:05:12] <Fingolfin> wb drax
[20:05:19] <Fingolfin> I only need the man page(s)
[20:05:24] <Fingolfin> or maybe you can check them for me
[20:05:27] <DraX> Fingolfin, sure
[20:05:54] <Fingolfin> I want to know what (if anything) it does when it connects... I need to find a way to "hook in" a shell script whenever PPP connects to the internet...
[20:06:00] <Fingolfin> (and if possible, on disconnect, too)
[20:06:25] <DraX> ahh :)
[20:06:25] <DraX> i can tell you
[20:06:25] <DraX> ip-up
[20:06:25] <DraX> ip-down
[20:06:30] <DraX> in /etc/ppp/
[20:06:36] <Fingolfin> hmmm
[20:06:43] <Fingolfin> than it won't work for me :/
[20:06:51] <Fingolfin> I guess OS X uses a different ppp "demon"
[20:06:57] <DraX> or wherever ppp scripts are stored
[20:07:02] <Fingolfin> yeah
[20:07:09] <Fingolfin> that is the problem: where are they stored ;)
[20:07:15] <Fingolfin> and under which name
[20:07:20] <Fingolfin> that is actually the core problem ;)
[20:07:25] <Fingolfin> cd /
[20:07:29] <DraX> in openbsd/freebsd/netbsd /etc/ppp
[20:07:29] <Fingolfin> ff ip-up
[20:07:36] <Fingolfin> ls /etc/
[20:07:43] <Fingolfin> argh
[20:07:46] <Fingolfin> wrong window ;)
[20:07:47] <DraX> ff?
[20:07:50] <Fingolfin> I am a bit silly today ;)
[20:08:10] <DraX> threading works with the new libc_r
[20:08:20] <DraX> so i'm getting a new source snapshot
[20:08:24] <DraX> and i'm gonna give it a try
[20:11:32] <DraX> brb
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[20:19:13] <Fingolfin> hm
[20:19:18] * DraX loves how X11 dosen't work in -current's kernel
[20:19:25] <Fingolfin> is there "ipconfigd" on *BSD?
[20:19:30] <DraX> so i had to revert my kernel, ipf, ipnat, and ps
[20:19:31] <Fingolfin> and is there a man page for it?
[20:19:33] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:19:44] <DraX> Fingolfin, not that i know of
[20:30:31] <DraX> ok
[20:30:41] <DraX> autoconf/automake install doing libtool now
[20:41:36] <DraX> build conmenses
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[21:17:40] <DraX> EXULT WORKS!!!!!!!
[21:19:56] <wjp> yay!
[21:20:15] <DraX> wjp, no sound, and i can't actulyl get u7 to run
[21:20:16] <DraX> but
[21:20:18] <DraX> the menu works
[21:20:35] <wjp> did you point it at the right U7 dir?
[21:20:39] <DraX> ya
[21:20:46] <DraX> says file not found
[21:21:11] <wjp> what file?
[21:21:38] <wjp> wrong path...
[21:21:50] <DraX> thats where i have it
[21:21:58] <wjp> oh... ok then
[21:22:05] <DraX> got it sort of
[21:22:12] <wjp> is the file really there?
[21:22:25] <DraX> yes
[21:22:27] <DraX> and i got it working
[21:22:44] <DraX> but it's segfaulting
[21:22:45] <DraX> often
[21:24:00] <DraX> gotta restart x
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[21:25:12] <DraX> ok
[21:25:29] <DraX> mainly the problem happens when i click in u7
[21:25:32] <DraX> it segfaults
[21:25:37] <wjp> whenever you click?
[21:25:43] <DraX> only during the intro
[21:25:54] <wjp> do you have a working gdb?
[21:25:56] <DraX> after the intro, it all works till i go journey onward
[21:25:58] <DraX> and it crashes
[21:26:06] <wjp> any info on stderr?
[21:26:09] <DraX> wjp, not on this box, it will freeze it up
[21:26:20] <DraX> let me see if i can cause it to seg again
[21:26:47] <DraX> pid 30392: Fatal error '_waitq_insert: Already in queue' at line 285 in file /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_priority_queue.c (errno = 35)
[21:26:58] <DraX> let me email d@openbsd.org with that one
[21:27:14] <wjp> ouch... that sounds painful
[21:27:33] <DraX> wjp, he's the threading guy for openbsd, so he might know
[21:29:30] <DraX> the video quality is HORRIBLE though
[21:30:24] <wjp> how so?
[21:30:51] <DraX> it's really blotchy
[21:31:06] <wjp> what scaler are you using?
[21:31:13] <wjp> (if any)
[21:31:16] <DraX> the 2x one i think
[21:31:37] <wjp> try using Alt-minus to go back to a non-scaled one
[21:32:46] <DraX> ok, i'm actully playing the game now
[21:32:49] <wjp> hmm... 2xSAI is leaving artifacts
[21:32:58] <DraX> if you don't touch anything you can get it working
[21:33:19] <Colourless> wjp: it always has for me
[21:33:29] <wjp> Colourless: I think it's not updating the right rectangles
[21:33:49] <Colourless> wjp: have a screenshot?
[21:33:53] <DraX> i can play ultima in openbsd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:33:55] <wjp> Colourless: because of the area-effect, we might need to enlarge the rectangles that are drawn
[21:34:09] <wjp> yeah, I have a screenshot now
[21:34:30] <wjp> it's of SuperEagle, but the effect is the same in 2xSAI
[21:35:01] <Fingolfin> Drax: wooohooo ;)
[21:35:05] <wjp> when a button in the menu goes from light to dark, the top edge stays bright
[21:35:08] <DraX> Fingolfin, i love it!!!!!!!!!
[21:35:23] <Fingolfin> hehe
[21:35:28] <Fingolfin> no sound though I guess?
[21:35:32] <DraX> nope
[21:35:32] <Colourless> i tried to fix some of those artifacts by increasing the rectangle, but it didn't actually work.
[21:35:47] <Colourless> could try again though
[21:37:02] <wjp> screenshot is at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/scalerartifact.pcx, if you're interested
[21:37:20] <wjp> (note the 'setup' button)
[21:37:25] <DraX> it seems to have frozen
[21:37:53] <DraX> but it works!!!!!
[21:38:01] <DraX> i was playing ultima 7
[21:39:43] <Colourless> interesting... i think that it's fixable, might take take a bit of work though
[21:40:34] <DraX> hahahahhaha it works!!!!!!!!!!
[21:40:38] <DraX> i'm quite happy
[21:41:31] <DraX> now all my "workstation" boxes that are up can run exult!
[21:41:59] <wjp> heh :-)
[21:42:16] <wjp> mine too ;-)
[21:42:22] <wjp> (all 1 of them :-) )
[21:42:34] <Colourless> hehe. Mine to, also all 1 of them :)
[21:42:41] <DraX> all 3 of mine :P
[21:43:12] <Colourless> well, if I turned my other one on it would be able to run it as well. And then there are another 2 in the next room
[21:43:12] <DraX> you guys can't release the next version until june :)
[21:43:38] <DraX> because officialy it dosen't work on openbsd until then
[21:44:02] <wjp> of course we can release before then :-P
[21:44:42] <wjp> ?!? a company is offering 100Mbit internet for $40/month in Japan?!?
[21:44:45] <DraX> wjp, no you can't :P
[21:46:08] <Colourless> YES WE CAN :)
[21:46:22] <DraX> i'm having to run snapshot of libc_r
[21:46:29] <wjp> in fact... how does tomorrow sound? ;-)
[21:46:37] <Fingolfin> I am off here now, need to reall concentrate so I get my work done here..
[21:46:41] <Colourless> sound good :)
[21:46:49] <DraX> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:46:50] <wjp> Fingolfin: bye
[21:46:52] <Fingolfin> which mainly consist of getting OpenSSL 0.9.6 to link (0.9.5a does)
[21:46:53] * DraX falls over screaming
[21:47:01] <Fingolfin> DraX: *SUFFER* ;)
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[21:47:08] <DraX> ahhhhhhhhh
[21:50:17] <wjp> seriously though, we should probably think about releasing soon...
[21:51:33] <Colourless> yeah.
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[22:24:50] <DraX> i need more diskspace
[22:24:54] <DraX> i only have 136mb left on the windows bo
[22:24:56] <DraX> x
[22:30:22] <wjp> throw out windows ;-)
[22:30:38] <DraX> wjp, if only it were that easy
[22:30:49] <wjp> yeah, I know :-(
[22:31:09] <DraX> wjp, it's the box everyone else in the house uses
[22:31:33] <wjp> same thing here
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[22:43:08] <DraX> wjp, there is now openbsd support
[22:43:19] <DraX> and i expect to here a report of freebsd support today
[22:43:40] <wjp> great!
[22:43:52] <wjp> did you have to make any changes to the exult code?
[22:44:10] <DraX> wjp, uccparse stuff is STILL broken
[22:44:24] <wjp> not really broken... just version-dependant
[22:44:25] <DraX> wjp, and i had to disable compiling of ucc in tools/
[22:44:40] <wjp> it doesn't build on my univ. account either
[22:44:52] <DraX> wjp, what os?
[22:44:58] <wjp> linux, RH7
[22:45:05] <DraX> same problem as i?
[22:45:08] <wjp> ('it' = ucc)
[22:45:13] <wjp> dunno... haven't tried it in ages
[22:46:03] * wjp runs configure...
[22:47:10] <wjp> lex.yy.c:1662: declaration of `int isatty (int)' throws different exceptions
[22:47:26] <wjp> /usr/include/unistd.h:668: than previous declaration `int isatty (int) throw ()'
[22:51:31] <wjp> what versions of yacc/bison and lex/flex are you using?
[22:51:46] <wjp> ok, after fixing that minor detail it works on my univ. account
[22:52:11] <DraX> lex: 2.5.4
[22:52:29] <wjp> lex or flex?
[22:52:36] <DraX> flex
[22:53:03] <DraX> it's a BSD style yacc
[22:53:26] <wjp> you got errors in the ucparse part, right?
[22:53:43] <DraX> ya
[22:55:46] <wjp> hmm... did you ever try removing all flex/yacc output files and rebuilding?
[22:56:16] <wjp> (ucparse.cc, ucparse.h, uclex.cc)
[22:57:28] <DraX> wjp, i can get by my disabling it
[22:57:30] <DraX> but no
[22:57:36] <wjp> the interesting thing is, I did a grep through my exult tree, and most of the undefined symbols you mentioned in your mail didn't turn up anywhere
[22:58:26] <wjp> which is why I thought you might have had an outdated file somewhere
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[23:39:26] <Kirben> hmm no cvs update emails again
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