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[14:02:39] <voyager_106> hello exult team
[14:02:59] <Colourless> hi
[14:03:18] <voyager_106> I want to say thank you for remembering that there are Linux users out there
[14:03:24] <voyager_106> and making a port of exult for us :)
[14:04:19] <Colourless> you do know that Exult was a Linux App that was ported to windows. It didn't occur the other way round. Exult = X Ultima
[14:05:05] <voyager_106> Colourless: no, I didn't. That makes it even better!
[14:06:16] <voyager_106> hehe, right there in the FAQ....
[14:06:16] <Colourless> if i'm not mistaken, it is written in the FAQ ;-)
[14:06:53] <voyager_106> yeah, just read it....oops :)
[14:07:48] <voyager_106> hmm, I don't know how I missed it
[14:08:08] <Colourless> :-)
[14:11:16] <voyager_106> in that case, thanks to Jeff for making it originally for X-Windows
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[14:27:48] <Cheez|Bed> yoyoyo
[14:27:57] <Colourless> hi
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[14:28:26] <EazyCheez> I just tried out Pentagram
[14:28:29] <EazyCheez> looks awesome
[14:28:52] <EazyCheez> I'm not a developer though, so I guess I broke the rules there :)
[14:28:57] <Colourless> pentagrm barely exists :-)
[14:29:27] <EazyCheez> but hey, at least the Avatar IS the navigation method
[14:29:39] <EazyCheez> and you placed the NPCs to serve as landmarks
[14:29:43] <EazyCheez> and there's MUSIC!
[14:30:10] <EazyCheez> and COMBAT MODE!
[14:30:13] <EazyCheez> haw
[14:30:46] <EazyCheez> guess you guys'll work on a U8 interpreter thingie after you get all done with Exult? :)
[14:31:08] <Colourless> what makes you think some of us already aren't?
[14:31:26] <EazyCheez> erm
[14:32:04] <EazyCheez> hehe
[14:32:15] * EazyCheez is excited about that
[14:32:31] <EazyCheez> wonder when a beta or snapshot or whatever'll be released
[14:32:45] <Colourless> not for a while :-)
[14:32:52] <Colourless> mapdisp is not Pentagram
[14:35:39] <EazyCheez> neither is animdisp or shpdisp :)
[14:36:03] <Colourless> no.
[14:36:16] <Colourless> in fact pentagram doesn't even exist as such :-)
[14:36:46] <EazyCheez> so Pentagram will be the name of your U8 interpreter, Colourless?
[14:37:00] <EazyCheez> Ryan
[14:37:02] <EazyCheez> hehe
[14:37:15] <EazyCheez> if you were American you'd be Colorless :)
[14:37:21] <Colourless> Pretty much nothing that is currently called pentagram will actually be part of pentagram. Some of the code may be part of Pentagram, but it's hard to say how much
[14:37:21] <Colourless> i
[14:37:30] <Colourless> I AM NOT COLORLESS! I AM COLOURLESS!
[14:38:33] <EazyCheez> I know
[14:38:42] <EazyCheez> since you're Australian you're Colourless
[14:38:56] <EazyCheez> I'm just saying, if you were American... ya know
[14:39:01] <Colourless> but i'm not :-)
[14:39:08] <Colourless> no if's :-)
[14:39:39] <EazyCheez> I think it has a nicer look on the cheat screen anyway
[14:39:53] <EazyCheez> brings a nice "worked on by people worldwide!" flavor to Exult :)
[14:40:14] <Colourless> you know there is only 1 american working on Exult (Jeff)
[14:40:26] <EazyCheez> Freedman
[14:40:27] <Colourless> there is no americans working on Pentagram :-)
[14:40:30] <EazyCheez> ah
[14:40:32] <EazyCheez> hehe
[14:40:36] <EazyCheez> just you then?
[14:40:51] <Colourless> There's WJP, Fingolfin, Darke and myself
[14:43:41] <EazyCheez> I love how you make all the saved games on Exult upwardly compatible with the next snapshots :)
[14:43:58] <EazyCheez> course if you didn't, millions of people would be screaming for your blood :)
[14:44:11] <voyager_106> hehe
[14:44:13] <Colourless> we have seriously thought about intentionally breaking savegames
[14:44:25] <Colourless> (before beta 1_
[14:44:41] <EazyCheez> well we're past beta 1 aren't we?
[14:44:42] <Colourless> we wanted everyone to just start over
[14:44:51] <Colourless> yep we are past beta 1
[14:45:02] <EazyCheez> yeah that's right
[14:45:19] * EazyCheez smacks himself around -- haven't been paying as much attention to Exult as he should :)
[14:46:10] <Colourless> :-)
[14:46:17] <EazyCheez> all right I'mma go shave... I'm looking like, as my mom would say, a "woolly booger"
[14:47:02] <voyager_106> Colourless: you guys have done an excellent job. Thank you and the whole team for your work! :)
[14:49:02] <Colourless> we do it for the fans.... i think... then again maybe not... i really have no clue why we do it :-)
[15:02:50] <voyager_106> I've always been a huge Ultima fan, fell in love with Ultima 5. Unfortunately, didn't have a computer when U7 was released, so exult gives me the chance to play it now
[15:04:32] <EazyCheez> "World-famous RPG, Ultima 7, gets a whole new lease on life with open-source project Exult"
[15:04:46] <EazyCheez> hey, did your interview with Gamespy get published yet?
[15:05:00] <Colourless> yeah a long time ago :-)
[15:06:27] <EazyCheez> where can it be found?
[15:06:35] <EazyCheez> I'd like to read it
[15:07:52] <Colourless> somewhere on www.gamespydaily.com
[15:09:35] <EazyCheez> here we go
[15:14:36] * EazyCheez claps for the Exult team
[15:14:40] <EazyCheez> woo hoooooooo
[15:14:43] <EazyCheez> great interview
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[15:37:32] <wjp> hi
[15:37:41] <Colourless> hi
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[15:54:21] <Colourless> hi
[15:58:15] <Fingolfin> hiya
[15:59:44] <EazyCheez> hey willem
[15:59:51] <EazyCheez> great interview with Gamespy
[15:59:55] <EazyCheez> and you too Finny
[16:00:02] <EazyCheez> and of course Ryan :)
[16:00:04] <EazyCheez> and Darke
[16:00:13] <EazyCheez> and everyone who participated :)
[16:00:22] <Colourless> not sure if Darke answered any q's
[16:00:49] <EazyCheez> I'm gonna go see ep2 today
[16:00:53] <EazyCheez> I'm so excited!
[16:01:07] <wjp> EazyCheez: me too :-)
[16:01:16] <Colourless> i saw it about a week ago
[16:01:24] <EazyCheez> a week ago is when it came out
[16:01:33] <EazyCheez> I can't wait to see Yoda kick some ass
[16:01:34] <EazyCheez> :)
[16:03:09] <EazyCheez> willem you're gonna see it today too?
[16:03:09] <EazyCheez> cool!
[16:03:09] <EazyCheez> every time I think willem I think Willem Dafoe
[16:03:09] <EazyCheez> Spider-Man!
[16:03:09] <EazyCheez> he was awesome in it
[16:03:14] <EazyCheez> an awesome movie too
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[16:10:56] * Fingolfin hasn't been in SW 2 nor in SpiderMan yet, but definitly wants to see both
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[16:29:49] * wjp|sw2 will be back (a lot) later tonight :-)
[16:29:59] <Colourless> cya :-)
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[17:49:56] <Colourless> only 3 hours to go on my download :-)
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[17:58:29] * Darke watches paint dry^W^WColourless download.
[18:53:48] <Colourless> oi! 2 hours to go :-)
[18:54:03] * Darke innocentblinkblinks.
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[19:14:25] <Dominus> hi there
[19:14:42] * Darke bows. Hi.
[19:16:20] * Dominus hasn't seen Episode 2 yet but that truck lost 2 CDs with some movie on it which is barely watchable
[19:16:41] <Dominus> But I haven'T dared watching it as I want to see it in Cinema first
[19:17:16] * Darke will never see it in cinema, and if he's particularly unlucky, he might see it on DVD. *grin*
[19:17:31] <Fingolfin> hi Dominus
[19:17:35] <Dominus> hi
[19:17:48] * Fingolfin definitly still want's to see Ep II and SpiderMan in cinema, preferably original version
[19:18:18] * Dominus is gald there are at least three nice theaters that tend to show the original version
[19:18:24] <Dominus> glad even
[19:23:21] <Dominus> anyone know of a good linux penguin picture that could be used as a statue in the island patch?
[19:24:36] <Darke> Err... there's the cannonical Tux. Which you'll probably find everywhere. *grin*
[19:25:11] <Dominus> i know I just need to find him in a correct position... :-)
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[19:44:31] <Dominus> I really don't have the patience to edit pictures... :-)
[19:55:49] * Darke doesn't really either. *grin*
[19:56:39] <Dominus> most used function when picture editing: undo!
[20:02:42] * Darke thinks that sounds a _lot_ like his picture editing technique...
[20:28:32] <Dominus> exult_studio (pid:844): ** WARNING **: Oops! Something is wrong with OLE2 DnD..
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[20:29:13] <Colourless> hi
[20:29:22] <Dominus> wb
[20:29:53] <Colourless> yes i kind of lost my connection... most annoying
[20:30:29] <Colourless> think you are funny darke do you? well i 'think' i just 1 up'd you :-)
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[20:31:55] <Colourless> hmmm, hello, goodbye :-)
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[20:32:36] <Colourless> hello :-)
[20:32:36] * Darke innocentblinkblinks, and hits reload on a webpage.
[20:32:38] <Roman_> hi
[20:32:43] <Roman_> changed my name
[20:33:01] <Darke> Colourless: I was _that_ close to assigning it to you, you know. *grin*
[20:33:17] <Colourless> but you didn't :-)
[20:33:51] <Dominus> hi
[20:33:53] <Darke> Colourless: Does that mean I can alter it's priority to be down to 1? So it never really has to be implemented? *innocentgrin*
[20:34:00] <Colourless> of course we could have assigned it to dominus or something :-)
[20:34:01] <Roman_> doubleOBond wasn't exactly proper here
[20:34:02] <Darke> Hi.
[20:35:09] <Darke> Oooh. It's the top item on my personal SF.net page too!
[20:35:43] <Colourless> as it should be. it's a really important feature
[20:35:57] <Roman_> may I ask what?
[20:36:10] <Colourless> No, you may not ask :-)
[20:36:18] <Roman_> lol, ok
[20:36:46] <Darke> Roman_: Just us developers messing around with the feature tracker. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
[20:37:01] <Colourless> this is private pentagram business
[20:37:12] <Dominus> he he, I just saw it (at least I think I know what you mean)
[20:37:23] <Roman_> well, I thought you wanted people to visit on irc
[20:37:25] <Dominus> Do we _really_ need this feature?
[20:37:31] <Roman_> at least thats what the site says
[20:37:42] <Roman_> lol, ok well I will leave I guess
[20:37:50] <Darke> No You can stay. *grin*
[20:37:54] <Colourless> we are just screwing around :-)
[20:37:54] * Dominus didn't intend to have his copy/paste fitting with Romans reply :-)
[20:38:33] <Dominus> Roman_: are you the one that submitted so many bugs to the tracker)
[20:38:37] <Dominus> ?
[20:38:41] <Roman_> possibly
[20:39:00] <Darke> Colourless just setup a... err... redundant feature request in the pentagram tracker, so a snarky reply was inevitable. *grin*
[20:39:02] <Dominus> like random crashes in monitor?
[20:39:07] <Roman_> I try to help
[20:39:23] <Roman_> besides, being in the field of I.T. I think its second nature
[20:39:46] <Dominus> Roman_: please check the bugs you submitted as we need some savegames
[20:40:01] <Roman_> what you want me to send ya some
[20:40:07] <Dominus> yep
[20:40:12] <Roman_> where do I send em
[20:40:42] <Dominus> and it really DOES help to enter your email address as that way you get replies to bugs you submitted
[20:40:47] <Roman_> I do
[20:40:52] <Roman_> YVORVEV@yahoo.com
[20:41:04] <Roman_> I put it in the field everytime
[20:41:42] <Roman_> I don't know why it never shows
[20:41:56] <Colourless> you shgo
[20:41:58] <Dominus> well, whatever, check "your" bugs and sent the savegames over to me
[20:42:04] <Colourless> should probably create an account of source forge
[20:42:21] <Roman_> ok
[20:42:30] <Roman_> whats your email Dominus
[20:43:18] <Roman_> ok, I will try and find the easiest places to recreate the bugs
[20:43:27] <Dominus> thanks
[20:44:47] <Roman_> ok, I will be back later...once I get the save games sent...so you guys know they are on their way
[20:45:14] <Roman_> see ya
[20:45:57] <Darke> Bye.
[20:46:02] <Dominus> wait
[20:46:20] <Dominus> are you really sure you don't see rain?
[20:46:35] <Dominus> I see it when I am on Ambrosia in BG
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[20:47:56] <Colourless> it appears that my statistical analysis wasn't quite correct. my nice exponential curve, is hardly exponential anymore: https://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=53819
[20:48:40] <Dominus> hm but on other occasions I don't see the rain too
[20:49:05] <Colourless> the gump rain problem hasn't been fixed afaik
[20:49:23] <Darke> Colourless: It certainly doesn't look very exponential to me. *grin*
[20:49:24] <Colourless> the faces&bars are counted as gumps
[20:50:04] <Dominus> oh, forgot about this one
[20:51:11] <Colourless> assign the bug to me or something :-)
[20:51:58] <Roman_> hey
[20:52:10] <Roman_> ok, here I got them saved...are they saved in the ultima7 dir
[20:52:40] <Roman_> ?
[20:53:17] <Roman_> and I have the monsters head through mountain tops, and party will try and attack the monsters in the cave
[20:53:23] <Dominus> look for *.sav files in the game dir
[20:53:27] <Roman_> ok
[20:53:37] <Roman_> also, I think I know why the monsters heads are popping through
[20:54:02] <Roman_> I believe it has to do with the top of one graphic on the mountain and the bottom of the next
[20:54:10] <Roman_> the monster is inbetween those two
[20:54:15] <Roman_> so it cuts through
[20:54:33] <Roman_> brb
[20:57:16] <Colourless> i can not possibly believe that exult has had 1.2 million page views
[20:57:30] <Colourless> really, it's almost 1.3 million
[20:57:31] <Roman_> is that new ips each time
[20:57:40] <Roman_> or does it consider also same people
[20:57:49] <Roman_> because I visit about 5-9 times a day lol
[20:57:52] <Roman_> mostly the forum
[20:58:06] <Colourless> that's is a total count.
[20:58:23] <Colourless> we usually get around 3000 page views a day
[20:58:54] <Roman_> Dominus I am sending the email from rjd0826@sru.edu...yahoo doesn't like .sav files
[20:59:22] <Dominus> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9848357/exult/penguin.png (a small picture of a possible penguin statue in the size of a shape with transparency)
[20:59:34] <Dominus> Roman_:np
[21:00:41] <Roman_> sent
[21:01:13] <Roman_> nice LOL, and this penguin is for what LOL
[21:01:56] <Dominus> for the church of open source
[21:02:34] <Roman_> is the penguin replacing the jesus statue?
[21:02:53] <Roman_> ;)
[21:03:06] <Dominus> which jesus statue? there is no jesus statue in the church of open source :-)
[21:03:11] <Roman_> LOL
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[21:04:10] <Colourless> hmm. odd. on the 1st of may and 19th of may we had a spike in the number of downloads from our average amount of about 400, to quite a bit over 100
[21:04:15] <Colourless> (we being exult)
[21:05:46] <Colourless> i wonder why...
[21:05:57] <Roman_> why it dropped you mean?
[21:06:12] <Colourless> no, why it spiked
[21:06:25] <Dominus> on the 19th I updated the docs :-)
[21:06:42] <Colourless> yeah news was updated on the 19th
[21:06:46] <Roman_> <cough>still no pictures<cough>
[21:06:51] <Dominus> that might explain a bit
[21:07:00] <Colourless> but there doesn't seem to be any real reason for the spike on the 1st
[21:07:05] <Dominus> pictures won't come in for quite a while
[21:07:36] <Roman_> exam week...;)
[21:08:00] <Dominus> http://www.exult.co.uk/intro.html
[21:08:32] <Dominus> http://www.gmp83.dial.pipex.com/eig/exult/
[21:09:05] <Roman_> what is the second one
[21:09:52] <Dominus> figure it out
[21:10:33] <Roman_> is it the office for the first one
[21:11:03] <Dominus> I don't know anything about those sites, these just came up googleing
[21:11:23] <Colourless> what about www.exult.com :-)
[21:11:52] <Dominus> ugh, flashy
[21:12:01] <Roman_> ugh, horrid look
[21:12:14] <Colourless> a total waste of such a great domain name
[21:12:27] <Roman_> buy it from em
[21:12:50] <Dominus> can't, we already wasted more than 3.000.000
[21:13:02] <Roman_> I wouldn't consider it wasted
[21:13:08] <Dominus> our minister of treasury won't allow us
[21:13:47] <Colourless> well we don't actually know, because we don't know who the minister of treasury actually is
[21:13:55] <Roman_> do you funds come from your pocket or endorsements
[21:14:32] <Dominus> we don't have funds, we don't have money (in Exult at least), we are no company :-)
[21:15:04] <Colourless> no do i think ea would be very impressed if we tried to get money
[21:15:09] <Colourless> s/no/nor/
[21:15:14] <Roman_> then how did you spend 3 mil
[21:15:42] <Dominus> an amount estimated from the amount of work put in
[21:15:43] <Colourless> that was the amounted calculated by a program that went through our source code
[21:15:50] <Roman_> ea should just be impressed with the fact that you did better than they did
[21:16:00] <Dominus> we didn't do better
[21:16:05] <Roman_> how not?
[21:16:21] <Dominus> we didn't come up with the story, the idea, the graphics
[21:16:25] <Colourless> it cacluated that due to the amount of code that has been written, if exult was a commercial project, it would have cost $3 million
[21:16:25] <Roman_> well, true
[21:16:36] <Roman_> oh I see colourless
[21:16:49] <Dominus> and at the time, Origin did very well
[21:16:54] <Roman_> true
[21:16:58] <Roman_> ok, you are right in that respect
[21:17:15] <Colourless> nice description that google gives our page
[21:17:24] <Dominus> what are the savegames you sent me for? (which bugs?)
[21:17:41] <Roman_> but you took something and made it better by allowing it to work in windows under different sizes...etc...hell you guys even said somewhere on the site that you play it more than the original now
[21:17:43] <Colourless> Exult... a very non-standard memory manager
[21:18:06] <Roman_> for the monsters through mountain tops
[21:18:07] <Roman_> rain
[21:18:14] <Dominus> he he
[21:18:34] <Roman_> and party trying to attack through mountain
[21:18:46] <Dominus> Roman_: when I meant savegames I meant for the bugs in the tracker, though I'm not sure now if it were you
[21:19:29] <Colourless> so, is it a good thing or a bad thing that exult ranks 1st on google, and actual companies with exult in their name being ranked after us? :-)
[21:19:37] <Roman_> good
[21:19:40] <Roman_> for you
[21:19:42] <Roman_> bad for them
[21:19:43] <Dominus> Roman_: see http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=2335
[21:20:00] <Darke> Colourless: I would use the term 'a very unique memory manager' rather then non-standard myself. *grin*
[21:20:18] <Darke> Colourless: Good. *grin*
[21:20:59] <Roman_> should I be submitting bugs there or on the discussion forum
[21:21:01] <Colourless> we also rank top in googles "Games > Video Games > Genres > Roleplaying > Ultima Series > Ultima VII - The Black Gate" category
[21:21:12] <Colourless> on the bug tracker
[21:21:22] <Roman_> ok
[21:21:25] <Dominus> but only one bug per item
[21:21:26] <Roman_> then I will bookmark it
[21:21:46] <Dominus> and also please read the FAQ on how to properly submit bugs
[21:22:17] <Roman_> k
[21:25:05] <Roman_> I have to upgrade my ie first...I will submit them later...you guys know what they are I think though, but I will get them on the forum soon
[21:27:26] <Roman_> we I am out for awhile see you guys later
[21:27:32] <Roman_> well*
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[21:29:12] * Darke hunts around the www.exult.co.uk website. Curious.
[21:29:36] <Colourless> thinking of buying something?
[21:31:10] <Darke> No. I was literally just curious. *grin* I flicked through that 'exult' building page too.
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[21:35:52] * Darke looks at that exult.com site and sighs. Humanity worries him sometimes, although really it's more of a "Webpage designers who don't have a _clue_ what they're doing worry him sometimes" at the moment.
[21:43:23] <Colourless> well i've fixed that bug with the weather effects not working with the faces showin
[21:45:33] <Darke> Cool. One less bug for people to intermittently report. *grin*
[21:46:18] <Dominus> yep
[21:47:50] <Colourless> just wanted it out of the way before release
[21:54:34] <Dominus> Colourless: so tomorrow is announced to be the big day of the 3dfu release?
[21:55:07] <Colourless> that's what i hear
[21:55:47] <Colourless> you do realise that there is a very good change it's not going to be what you expect, if it comes out at all :-)
[21:56:13] <Dominus> he he
[21:56:26] <Darke> 3dfu?
[21:56:45] <Dominus> 3dfx-u actually :-)
[21:56:54] <Dominus> http://nat.mine.nu:81/3dfx/
[21:57:31] * Darke ahhs, the 'x' makes it make sense. Continue. *grin*
[21:58:10] <Colourless> sometimes 3D F U would seem more fitting ;-)
[21:58:46] <Darke> Only sometimes? *grin*
[21:58:59] <Dominus> you sound quite ... disappointed... in them
[22:07:14] * Darke reads the site and thinks they sound rather pretentious.
[22:10:01] * Darke reads the reasoning behind them keeping it 'closed source' and upgrades it to 'arrogant'.
[22:10:44] <Dominus> he he
[22:13:37] <Darke> I mean, _seriously_, driver coding is non-trivial to start with, can you imagine that dozens of people are going to suddently create and distribute their own kits? And even if someone decided to make a change or fix a few bugs, why would they release the code as their 'own' kit, rather then having it merged back into the 'official' code, getting their name in it's credits? Perhaps I'm just missing something...
[22:14:48] <Dominus> they are paranoid
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[22:18:05] * Darke would have no problem if they said "we're keeping our code secret, because we want to", but producing a couple of pages of 'reasoning' that's easily torn to shreads with the most basic logic to justify it is just dumb, IMHO.
[22:19:36] <Dominus> on topic of #exult: I'm puzzled. I can't delete a roof. when I delete it, save the map and then reload it reappears...
[22:27:35] * Darke blinks. Wierd.
[22:27:59] <Colourless> it's s fixed object
[22:28:19] <Colourless> exult doesn't remove those
[22:28:56] <Dominus> phew, another thing to complain about then :-)
[22:29:30] <Darke> Dominus: Can't have you running out of them, can we? *grin*
[22:31:14] <Dominus> wanted to make the church multi stories high and now I can skip this it seems (for now) :-)
[22:31:33] <Colourless> Darke: i disapprove of them keeping code secret. it makes no sense for a comminuty project to keep there source unavailble to others, who could possibly help and improve things. what they do reeks of deception and lies
[22:32:51] * Dominus agrees and is really curios what will be presented tomorrow
[22:33:12] <Darke> Colourless: Agreed, agreed, and agreed. *grin* Most of their 'problems' with open sourcing the code would go away if they GPLed or LGPLed it and dropped it in as a sf.net project. Nice! Easy! Centralised! People don't have to spawn off yet another kit because they can just submit patches or join the team. *grin*
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[22:35:11] * Darke also doesn't like the wording of the latest news item, he hears part of the intro to System Shock 2 when he reads it. *grin* The phrase 'ominous' is appropriate.
[22:36:08] <Colourless> hmm. this i've got to see
[22:38:08] <Colourless> :-)
[22:38:19] <Colourless> i understand what you mean by that
[22:38:21] * Darke 's first thought was that the next news item would be "And today's the day the magic happens...", then adding something about the drivers after that, rather then the Van Braun, although I should acquire my SS2 cd and 'filk' it properly. *grin*
[22:39:16] * Colourless sticks his disk in the drive
[22:40:43] <Colourless> February 3rd is the day the magic happens :-)
[22:41:03] <Darke> Yep! *grin* That's what ran through my mind. *giggle*
[22:41:11] <Colourless> i take it to be fairly standard marketting type speak :-)
[22:41:45] * Darke also notes that Feb 3 is his birthday too, so it was just a little more ominous when he heard the intro for the first time. *grin*
[22:41:57] <Darke> Agreed. *grin* But just so perfect.
[22:42:36] <Colourless> you know what is most ominus about the news post, they haven't even said what features the new drivers will have
[22:43:24] <Colourless> of course my spelling is just as bad :-)
[22:44:35] <Darke> Yeah. It's just a "we've got some new drivers" post. I wonder if they actually know what new features it has. *grin*
[22:45:24] * Darke waits for the 'doze box to boot so he can watch the avi's. His linux machine is in the throws of doing a bit of compiling at the moment. *grin*
[22:49:38] <Colourless> yay, my download has finally finished... some 2 hours longer than is was supposed to take
[22:50:28] <Dominus> well, that stuff with adding new files to the u7 files:
[22:51:04] <Dominus> creating a flex called faces.vga and adding a face with # 1 higher than the original file worked
[22:51:10] <Darke> Colourless: And the rest of that marketing speal in the intro, sounds so much like snippets from their "this is the reason we're not OSing it" declaration. *grin*
[22:51:12] <Dominus> Exult uses both files
[22:51:35] <Dominus> only ES is getting confused of course :-)
[22:51:43] <Dominus> when you doubleclick a NPC
[22:53:13] <Dominus> no face is shown then as ES only uses the faces.vga in the patch dir...
[22:57:47] * Darke waits for a 'staticly' corrupted message from one 'Marie Delacroy' (spelling probably wrong) to appear on the front page of that website a few days from now...
[23:02:41] <Colourless> incorrect spelling!
[23:02:49] <Colourless> Delacroix if i'm not mistaken
[23:03:13] <Darke> Colourless: She has a completely fake french accent, so I'm allowed to misspell her name. *grin* Yes, that looks correct.
[23:04:43] <Colourless> well, ss2 had some of the better game voice acting :-)
[23:05:50] <Darke> Oh agreed. *grin* I just remember the complaints on the ttlg ss2 forum. *grin* Deus Ex OTOP, had the most... err... 'unique' .au accent, IIRC.
[23:06:26] <Colourless> deus ex just generally had unique voice acting :-)
[23:07:42] * Darke thought Deus Ex, whilst being an otherwise great game, really needed to go the 'text only' route. He hopes they do it just a _little_ better on DX2. *grin*
[23:08:29] <Colourless> well, i think it's set some years later, so i think that at least not many of the original games characters will be left
[23:09:21] * Darke nods. Makes it easy to get some good voice actors in. *grin*
[23:10:23] <Colourless> and jc for sure isn't the players character (which i think is a really great thing, i hated jc's voice acting). it looks like the player can be male or female... or at least female as the recently release screenshots seem to indicate female player
[23:11:37] * Darke yays.
[23:12:36] <Darke> There's a website for it, but it apparently requires flash, which I don't yet have installed: http://www.deusex2.com/
[23:12:59] <Darke> Gee... that's going to get filtered out easy by webfilters.
[23:13:22] <Colourless> :-)
[23:13:38] <Colourless> due sex 2 :-)
[23:13:43] <Darke> *blinkblink* And a _movie_? *groan* http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020521/latu083_1.html
[23:14:05] <Colourless> yeah i heard about that
[23:14:38] <Colourless> i think if it follows the game too closely, it will be an absolute shocker
[23:14:55] <Darke> When it's 'nicely' capitalised (DeusEx) it's not as obvious, but in all lower case... *grin*
[23:18:07] * Darke nods. Agreed.
[23:19:25] <Colourless> the deusex2 website has got virtually nothing on it
[23:27:56] <Darke> This is interesting: http://www.indiegamejam.com/
[23:28:41] <Colourless> heh, yeah it is
[23:30:00] <Colourless> hmm, i know some of those names
[23:30:12] * Darke thought it was an interesting comment as to how powerful the graphics cards are today that you can draw 100,000 sprites on the screen at once. *grin*
[23:33:36] <Colourless> " Participants can work on their own game, team up with others, do multiple games, do a new game every hour if you're Ken Demarest"
[23:34:11] <Dominus> he he
[23:34:13] * Darke giggles.
[23:35:36] <Colourless> i see they stole a lot of sprites from doom :-)
[23:36:12] * Darke noticed. *grin*
[23:36:38] <Colourless> well, i would expect a bunch of programmers to do something like that
[23:37:23] <Colourless> i bet that even if they worked together the entire time, they wouldn't even be able to create a single good looking sprite :-)
[23:38:11] <Darke> Agreed. *grin*
[23:41:29] <Colourless> i kind of think i should go now :-)
[23:41:57] <Dominus> he he
[23:42:02] <Darke> Bye! *grin*
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