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[00:11:14] <sbx> hi
[00:15:10] <sbx> heh
[00:15:36] <sbx> I meant to search for Arcanum on a game site and typed Avernum instead.
[00:15:51] <sbx> havn't played either
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[02:07:03] <sbx> Test Succeeded
[02:07:46] <Baastuul> :D
[02:07:51] <Baastuul> I must reconnect
[02:07:51] <Baastuul> brb
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[02:10:26] <sbx> wb
[02:10:30] <sbx> you are always reconnecting
[02:11:17] <Baastuul> My ISP is a piece of fæcal excrement is why.
[02:11:31] <Baastuul> They have a ridiculous four-hour connection limit per session.
[02:13:41] <Baastuul> My ISP is caught in the Stone Age still. :(
[02:13:59] <Baastuul> http://www.ilinkadv.com/
[02:14:11] <Baastuul> Look at their highway-robbery prices for lousy services. :P
[02:14:54] * sbx looks.
[02:15:12] <sbx> dial-up?
[02:15:58] <Baastuul> Yeah. >:/
[02:16:00] <Baastuul> I like how they spell "Monthly" as "Monthy."
[02:16:07] <Baastuul> "Monthy Usage"
[02:16:18] <Baastuul> They've had the same typo for well over a year now.
[02:16:34] <sbx> heh heh I didn't notice
[02:16:45] <sbx> you could get their dsl?
[02:16:49] <sbx> or not because where you live
[02:17:29] <sbx> I don't have a usage limit
[02:17:32] <Baastuul> There is no broadband available here except for satellite.
[02:17:36] <Baastuul> One guy I know got satellite but it was buggy.
[02:17:50] <Baastuul> And my dad's workplace here has a satellite connection that's just like a glorified dial-up at best.
[02:18:10] <sbx> yeah it probably requires dial-up for uplink
[02:18:23] <sbx> but they are just getting satellite uplink here
[02:18:38] <Baastuul> Yeah, or it could have been all the spyware clogging up their pipes.
[02:19:00] <Baastuul> I was using one of the computers there and noticed how slow it was running.
[02:19:00] <sbx> do you get a virus scanner option?
[02:19:04] <Baastuul> So I downloaded Ad-Aware (at about 7 k/s) and ran the scan.
[02:19:04] <Baastuul> There was 575 objects, I think.
[02:19:13] * sbx uses SpyBody S&D.
[02:19:15] <sbx> hmm
[02:19:16] <sbx> Bot
[02:19:30] <Baastuul> I prefer Ad-Aware
[02:19:37] <Baastuul> But Spybot is good
[02:19:42] <sbx> Spybot doesn't get everything
[02:19:51] <Baastuul> Although lately its immunization thing is annoying as hell
[02:20:00] <Baastuul> keeps on popping up asking me to block things and when I tell it to, it doesn't
[02:20:05] <sbx> oh
[02:20:09] <sbx> I use the registry thing
[02:20:23] <Baastuul> And asks me to do it everytime an ad loads
[02:20:31] <sbx> I must have that turned off
[02:20:44] <Baastuul> Have you used Ad-Aware SE Personal's full scan yet?
[02:20:53] <sbx> no
[02:21:03] <Baastuul> That thing is incredibly thorough
[02:21:06] <Baastuul> You should give it a shot
[02:21:15] <sbx> ok I will thinks
[02:21:18] <sbx> where is ad-aware?
[02:21:21] <sbx> thanks*
[02:22:30] <sbx> oh here's mine :)
[02:22:30] <sbx> http://www.gbronline.com
[02:23:57] <Baastuul> hehe ok
[02:24:03] <Baastuul> http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
[02:24:06] <Baastuul> or www.lavasoft.de
[02:24:14] <sbx> cool
[02:28:59] <sbx> this ISP has one number in Spokane
[02:29:20] <sbx> and 14 in seattle :p
[02:29:35] <Baastuul> :D
[02:29:39] <Baastuul> Aren't you in Oklahoma?
[02:29:42] <sbx> yeah
[02:30:21] <sbx> they have one number in Tulsa
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[04:03:47] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[04:08:39] <servus> I wonder if everyone @yahoo.com knows what an insulting term it is :-)
[04:14:43] * Lord_Nightmare .... well, Lord_Nightmare is just gonna sit here and hit the reload button.
[04:15:15] <servus> On me?
[04:15:19] <servus> I've been really really busy!
[04:15:23] <servus> Honest, ma, honest pa!
[04:15:34] <Lord_Nightmare> oh
[04:15:38] <Lord_Nightmare> ok...
[04:16:20] <servus> You can help work on it if you like, I've got a todo list :-)
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[04:29:34] <sbx> hi servus, what's on the list???
[04:33:41] <servus> 1. Make transparent parts of quads not depthmask 2. Make a moveable camera 3. Make item selection work on GL selection (requires proper depthmasking[#1]) 4. Improve speed 5. Work on translucency (Probably set alpha via (xform)?.5:1) 6. Consider how to allow replacement models for some things, if still needed.
[04:34:19] <servus> Oh, I need to make gumps visible too!
[04:34:35] <servus> The game is 100% playable except for gump background being invisible :-)
[04:37:46] <sbx> I hope we get a demo before all that.
[04:38:18] <servus> It's really not all that impressive. Want a Linux binary? :P
[04:42:06] <sbx> yes please
[04:43:20] <sbx> i have libc-2.3.2
[04:46:48] <servus> My dev linux machine is off, so I'm afraid you'll just get the binary in whatever shape it's in.
[04:46:54] * servus grins
[04:51:07] <servus> I'm not even sure if it works. I'll get you a tuned binary later :-)
[04:54:52] <sbx> hmm, i probably need the data and a config too :)
[05:01:53] <sbx> and libsmpeg-0.4.so.0
[05:11:38] <servus> I didn't add any data or modify the config.
[05:11:50] <servus> If you compile and install the current CVS, that binary should work.
[05:11:59] <sbx> k
[05:13:47] <sbx> where is the mtu for ppp0 setting stored?
[05:13:53] <sbx> under /proc
[05:17:53] <sbx> I wonder why I can't use the web while downloading a file in linux.
[05:23:19] <Sheng_Gradilla> there are some scripts for prioritizing your traffic
[05:24:17] <Sheng_Gradilla> they set some things on IPTables, QoS and CBQ
[05:24:42] <Sheng_Gradilla> I think one of those scripts is called WonderShaper
[05:26:49] <Sheng_Gradilla> the problem is the ppp stack is too small
[05:27:41] <Sheng_Gradilla> wondershaper sets some priorities on what goes to the outgoing stack
[05:27:52] <Sheng_Gradilla> this has indirect influence in the incoming stack
[05:28:11] <servus> # apt-cache search wondershaper
[05:28:11] <servus> wondershaper - Easy to use traffic shaping script
[05:30:08] <servus> Any luck with the binary, sbx?
[05:32:49] * Sheng_Gradilla is away: No estoy
[05:38:32] <sbx> Thanks Sheng_Gradilla.
[05:38:45] <sbx> servus: i got smpeg installed and when I ran it X froze
[05:38:51] <sbx> but I havnt installed Exult proper yet so Ill do that now
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[05:40:45] <servus> Try installing the newest CVS copy. That's what I'm working off of
[05:40:56] <servus> sbx, Make sure your ~/.exult.cfg has fullscreen set to no
[05:42:12] <sbx> hmm ok
[05:42:24] <sbx> note to self: get a ~/.exult.cfg
[05:47:07] <sbx> I always have to reread SourceForge's CVS instructions.
[05:48:12] <sbx> downloading
[05:49:33] <servus> It should be automatically created.
[05:55:50] <sbx> still downloading
[06:03:46] <sbx> still downloading
[06:04:44] <sbx> On my old computer it would take longer to compile than it would to download. :)
[06:15:43] <sbx> oh, it's done
[06:16:28] <sbx> i hope all those autogen.sh warnings are ok
[06:19:12] <sbx> building
[06:25:09] <servus> exult is hard to configure to compile :)
[06:25:55] <sbx> it's like mplayer
[06:26:00] <sbx> but built now
[06:26:14] <sbx> make install
[06:26:50] <sbx> oh I need to copy u7
[06:27:06] <servus> :)
[06:38:58] <sbx> 226 Transfer complete.
[06:40:28] <sbx> should I start a new game or have a quicksave ready?
[06:41:28] <servus> new game should be fine. the main menu does NOT work in GL yet though
[06:41:48] * sbx names his avatar Sam.
[06:42:05] <sbx> no
[06:42:06] <sbx> Sam Jr.
[06:42:17] <sbx> "There there..."
[06:42:36] <sbx> "I know, tis shocking."
[06:44:00] <servus> Ehhh
[06:44:54] <servus> so, just select opengl as the scaler
[06:45:06] <servus> you should edit your exult.cfg to disable the opening sequence
[06:45:21] <servus> then quicksave and just rush through the opening menus by keep pressing enter.
[06:45:32] <sbx> there is a nomenu option
[06:45:41] <servus> ?
[06:45:45] <servus> oh that doesn't work.
[06:46:15] <sbx> it worked last time I tried it
[06:47:48] <sbx> exult --bg --nomenu goes right to the game :)
[06:48:13] <sbx> segfault
[06:48:21] <sbx> what size scaler do i select?
[06:49:55] <sbx> what now it doesnt even open
[06:50:01] <sbx> Error opening file static/palettes.flx
[06:50:37] <servus> oh, copy that file in manually
[06:50:43] <servus> silly bug, sorry :)
[06:50:48] <sbx> do what now?
[06:51:03] <servus> mkdir static && cp `locate palettes.flx` ./static
[06:51:04] <servus> :-p
[06:51:15] <sbx> ah k
[06:51:33] <servus> bug left over from the old GL shader that I had nothing to do with, so there!
[06:51:42] <sbx> oh
[06:52:00] * sbx blames someone else.
[06:52:00] <sbx> eeeh hehehe
[06:52:00] <sbx> its working
[06:52:22] <sbx> ...weird
[06:52:37] <sbx> what kind of shrooms has samjr been smoking?
[06:52:52] <sbx> this is amazing
[06:53:16] <sbx> that's not an overstatement, even though I can barely see the people
[06:53:23] * sbx increases the scaler size.
[06:53:29] <sbx> hrmm
[06:53:32] <sbx> ... from the config file
[06:54:31] <sbx> oh the people in my party are just heads :)
[06:54:43] <sbx> the candles at the crime scene dont skew
[06:55:08] <sbx> trees aren't so bad, they just look like hedges
[06:55:20] <sbx> trimmed bushes I mean
[06:55:53] <sbx> but the lightposts and buildings are incredibly 3d
[06:57:32] <servus> sbx, ok, so you got a straight-down version
[06:57:43] <servus> Your people are just heads because you are looking straight down on their heads :)
[06:57:55] <servus> Have fun trying to click objects. Rmemeber that the mouse code still thinks it's in isometric 2D!
[06:58:26] <servus> Try teleporting to castle britain
[06:58:33] <servus> Even though the map gump won't come up :)
[06:59:21] <sbx> because I have cheats disabled
[07:00:40] <sbx> going upstairs is fun
[07:00:57] <servus> heh.
[07:00:58] <sbx> it will be even better when I can open the shutters and look out the window onto the street and rooftops
[07:01:02] <servus> haven't visited sparks house yet.
[07:01:06] <servus> you can open the shutters.
[07:01:19] <servus> open doors and secret walls and they move correctly, of course.
[07:01:42] <sbx> but I can't change camera
[07:01:58] <servus> right.
[07:02:04] <servus> you can't. You asked for a snapshot :P
[07:02:15] <sbx> yes, I'm just saying it will be cool when I can
[07:02:17] <servus> I didn't work at it all yesterday or today, and I only started it on Monday, so...
[07:02:34] <sbx> its progress at ludicrous speeds
[07:02:36] <servus> Yeah, or I might have an auto-moving camera to stand "behind" the avatar. Rotates smoothly when you change your general course.
[07:02:50] <servus> well not like i made the actual game! it's just a stupid renderer :)
[07:02:53] <servus> How's your speed?
[07:03:02] <sbx> but thank you for doing this!
[07:03:05] <sbx> its pretty good
[07:03:12] <sbx> i dont notice any specific slowdowns
[07:03:17] <sbx> any more than I get in exult2d
[07:03:59] <servus> yeah i notice exult2d is a little cpu intensive, maybe i can get some general speedups to help with the 3d... maybe not though :)
[07:04:25] <servus> sbx, I'm kind of imagining this Diablo 2-style game where you have dynamic shadows and everything :P
[07:04:42] <servus> With gradual replacement of models it would be possible though:P
[07:04:46] <sbx> I imagined lighting.
[07:04:58] <servus> Have you played Diablo 2?
[07:05:00] <sbx> Yeah you have to use 3d models for proper shading
[07:05:03] <sbx> nope
[07:05:06] <sbx> didnt like diablo 1
[07:05:13] <servus> It's just like Exult3D
[07:05:21] <servus> Well, it's a little less 3D.
[07:05:35] <sbx> how is it like exult3d?
[07:05:43] <servus> Anyway, they have a hacky sort of dynamic lighting where light sources and pillars cast rough shadows
[07:05:57] <servus> Well, it has 2D walls that are kind of 3D-ized (not very noticably, though)
[07:06:09] <servus> At least, I think so... in fact I cannot remember. Oh well. Spam spam spam humbug
[07:06:39] <sbx> exult2d could do shadows like that
[07:06:46] <sbx> if anyone wanted to implement it
[07:06:59] <servus> Yeah, I guess so.
[07:07:11] * sbx enables cheats.
[07:07:23] <servus> or like this:
[07:07:24] <servus> :)
[07:08:45] <sbx> ok your right the teleport map is invisible
[07:09:02] <sbx> what is that screenshot from?
[07:09:44] <servus> It's from Bonk!, the other 3D thingie I'm workin on, as a sort of Ultima Underworld I homage.
[07:09:57] <sbx> you've been busy
[07:10:09] <sbx> Why is it called Bonk!?
[07:10:12] <servus> Yeah, full time school and work too :-(
[07:10:32] <sbx> Bonk is an existing videogame name :)
[07:10:33] <servus> I name most of my programs after transitive verbs or interjections, just to confuse people, in that grand UNIX tradition.
[07:10:41] <servus> Everything is an existing videogame name.
[07:11:00] <servus> I think it's more annoying than recursive acronyms :)
[07:11:08] <sbx> hmm
[07:11:13] <sbx> not really
[07:11:20] <sbx> those are pretty annoying
[07:11:40] <servus> It's the halting problem.
[07:12:55] <sbx> did you ever play bonk's adventures?'
[07:12:59] <servus> Nope
[07:13:11] <sbx> TurboGrafx16 action
[07:13:28] <servus> Hmm, someone else here downloaded the exult binary... 81.202...
[07:13:36] <servus> IE on XP.
[07:13:42] * sbx looks around.
[07:13:58] <sbx> I have my suspicions.
[07:14:20] <sbx> But anyone reading this would know that it won't work on XP :)
[07:14:35] <servus> Hmm, guess so
[07:14:42] <servus> Hadn't thought of that :)
[07:14:55] <sbx> isn't it great that u7 uses bounding boxes?
[07:15:16] <servus> They got it 20 minutes ago.
[07:15:21] <servus> Yeah, sbx, that's what gave me the idea :)
[07:15:23] <servus> Full 3D info.
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[07:15:37] <sbx> hi WishStone
[07:15:42] <WishStone> hello :]
[07:15:46] <servus> Hi WishStone :)
[07:15:46] <sbx> havn't seen you in a while
[07:16:20] <WishStone> Yeah... I had a hugely depressive episode... and then hubby was fed up with me being too far away where he couldn't fix it.
[07:16:29] <WishStone> Si, I moved to Paris last week ;]
[07:16:32] <WishStone> si? so
[07:16:44] <sbx> hmm
[07:16:50] <sbx> congratulations
[07:17:01] <WishStone> *hehe* ta.
[07:17:07] <WishStone> Guess I need to learn french nox :S
[07:17:20] <servus> Bonjour:)
[07:17:25] <sbx> did you say you liked the food there?
[07:17:50] <WishStone> It's okay I guess. But what they call bread... and french wouldn't know a good sausage if they agged on it :/
[07:18:01] <WishStone> gagged even
[07:18:12] <servus> Google is caching my website due to the exultbot.
[07:18:27] <sbx> servus: those bastards!
[07:18:34] <servus> Yeah! Jerkanannies!
[07:19:09] * WishStone hasn't installed Exult again...
[07:19:20] <WishStone> I guess there was a new version in the last 2 months?
[07:19:33] <sbx> i think so
[07:19:38] <sbx> im using cvs
[07:19:39] <sbx> servus: do you know what's wrong with wells?
[07:19:47] <servus> Where's a well?
[07:19:52] <servus> I thought they looked fine.
[07:19:56] <sbx> near the shipwright in trinsic
[07:20:04] <WishStone> not giving water?
[07:20:06] <servus> Hmm, lemme boot into linux on my dev machine
[07:20:12] <sbx> no I mean their appearance
[07:20:24] <servus> dunno, i haven't a clue, let's check :)
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[07:21:15] <sbx> hi Colourless
[07:22:10] <servus> Hi Colourless
[07:22:45] <servus> http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg
[07:24:50] <sbx> i finally got to the top of the castle
[07:25:16] <sbx> lol
[07:25:34] * WishStone gets out a biiiig steaming cup of coco for Colourless ... some liqur in it as well, cream, marshmellow..?
[07:25:48] <servus> sbx, it's more impressive with a rotated perspective, honest :)
[07:25:52] <sbx> Fortran... those were the days of simplicity.
[07:26:10] <sbx> servus: it would be more impressive looking up at the walls
[07:26:36] <sbx> heh that computer has a wheel
[07:26:58] <sbx> there will be one in every garage
[07:28:26] <servus> sbx, I'm considering a first-person, if I get enough replacement models :)
[07:28:40] <sbx> yeah guess you'd need that
[07:28:42] <servus> There is one thing you've never ever seen in Ultima 7 though...
[07:28:44] <servus> Ceilings:-)
[07:29:22] <sbx> well
[07:29:36] <sbx> I never saw north walls either
[07:31:09] <sbx> you could hide ceilings and just show the sky
[07:31:10] <servus> Oh, wells look a LOT better if you rotate the camera.
[07:31:11] <sbx> its like the sims
[07:31:15] <sbx> really
[07:31:18] <servus> Yeah.
[07:31:23] * sbx tries and fails.
[07:31:25] <servus> The problem is that the sprite is bigger than its bounding box.
[07:31:35] <servus> Heh, want me to recompile with a rotated camera? :P
[07:31:42] <sbx> nah that's ok
[07:31:57] * WishStone acts as if she understands much and nods sagely
[07:32:07] <servus> OK, well, see, I didn't just make those screenshots in Photoshop :-)
[07:32:16] <servus> first things first, fix gumps!
[07:32:28] * sbx is a witness.
[07:32:31] <servus> WishStone,
[07:32:36] <sbx> to exult3d
[07:35:14] <sbx> servus: the well is actually closer to sparks place
[07:35:22] <servus> I found a well by the Britain baker.
[07:35:33] <sbx> oh ok
[07:37:58] <servus> Hackmoving the avatar segfaults :(
[07:37:59] <servus> Hmm
[07:38:04] <servus> I want to see the Black Gate.
[07:38:48] <sbx> how did you pick the avatar to hackmove him?
[07:38:55] <sbx> that's hard enough
[07:39:33] <servus> Ooh, waving 3D flags work now :)
[07:39:37] <servus> Heh I've gotten used to it :)
[07:39:50] <servus> I need to do some stuff before I implement 3D object picking./
[07:41:41] <sbx> argh, too late
[07:41:43] <sbx> see you tomorrow
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[07:44:21] <WishStone> nini
[07:45:56] <sbx|afk> :)
[07:46:02] <sbx|afk> :|
[07:46:49] <servus> WishStone must not be at all interested in Exult3D. :-)
[07:47:37] <WishStone> Not really.
[07:47:42] <WishStone> 3D games make me motionsick
[07:48:59] <sbx|afk> yeah it is trippy
[07:49:25] <servus> Heh, it's just a lark.
[07:50:26] <sbx|afk> until you make bumpmapped wall textures
[07:51:38] <sbx|afk> well, goodmorning
[07:51:48] <sbx|afk> -_-zzZZZ
[07:55:02] <servus> heh, night:)
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[08:36:24] <MagicMop> EXULT3D!!! :)
[08:36:33] <MagicMop> ahem... excuse me... :)
[08:37:01] <MagicMop> Got a little carried away there...
[08:38:52] <MagicMop> From the screenshots, it looks like you're doing an awesome job there servus.
[08:39:57] <MagicMop> I think that a fixed camera perspective like Diablo 2 would be a great way to go - it would highlight the awesome 3d effects without the complication of having to move the camera around manually..
[08:40:21] <MagicMop> Just my 2c though...
[08:40:43] * WishStone watches and smirks
[08:41:58] <MagicMop> Hmm... I though the exult channel was a smirk free zone... ;)
[08:45:07] <WishStone> Not from female UDIC dragons ;]
[08:46:21] <WishStone> they realize it's simply in our nature :]
[08:50:37] * Darke checks the #exult regulations and notes there's also an exception for sarcastic bunnies, so it's fine too!
[08:51:04] * WishStone licks her lips eyes the tasty bunny
[08:51:33] <Colourless> food!
[08:52:41] <Colourless> our forum has died
[08:52:45] <MagicMop> So... I guess the smirk free zone rule applies to... *looks around*... me only.
[08:52:56] * Colourless blames sourceforge
[08:53:01] <MagicMop> Well... work is done... gotta go... :)
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[08:53:08] <Colourless> hmmm working now
[08:53:12] * Colourless blames sourceforge again
[08:54:15] <WishStone> Just as I was about to pay my respects
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[09:37:24] <WishStone> reboot, brb
[11:39:55] <wjp> WishStone! hi :-)
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[13:35:43] * Sheng_Gradilla is back (gone 08:02:51)
[13:36:29] <Sheng_Gradilla> Hey, that's a dragoness I have not seen in months
[13:47:50] <WishStone> Hiwa WJP /D
[13:47:53] <WishStone> :D even
[13:48:06] * WishStone is working on the cage of her girls
[13:49:42] <WishStone> odd...
[13:49:54] <WishStone> My PC said it wanted to reboot.. I just realized it never did...
[13:53:14] <WishStone> Oh, Hiya Sheng, too :]]
[13:58:19] <Baastuul> Harro, harro.
[13:59:12] <WishStone> And Baastuul, though I have to admit I don't remember you :/
[14:00:03] <Baastuul> Haha, it's alright. You're the person studying for the teaching degree in Germany but will have to go to Paris because your husband is moving there, right? :)
[14:05:13] <WishStone> Because hubby living here and my depression munching me alife in germany, yes.
[14:05:17] <WishStone> I moved last week :]
[14:06:37] <Baastuul> heheh
[14:06:44] <Baastuul> So are you going to be teaching in France now?
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[14:11:34] <Baastuul> Hi, Fingolfin. :)
[14:11:57] <Fingolfin> hi
[14:19:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> hello buddess :)
[14:20:35] <WishStone> I'm arfaid I can't teach in france.
[14:20:59] <WishStone> France and germany have totally different teaching systems, and to make it even better, my main subject; home economics; isn't even taught at schools here
[14:21:27] <Baastuul> :(
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[14:23:15] <WishStone> yepp, fun fun
[14:23:26] <WishStone> Guess if I really want to teach, I need to start from scratch ;]
[14:23:32] <Sheng_Gradilla> how are you doing, WishStone? :)
[14:24:29] <WishStone> Doing okay. I have had a terrible experience to round up my last days in germany. I had all my wisdom teeth removed, bit by bit, every 2 months one. The LAST ONE of course hadt to go terribly wrong ://
[14:25:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> All of mine got removed in a single surgery
[14:25:30] <WishStone> Na, I was scared of that.
[14:25:37] <WishStone> I had them all taken with only a local.
[14:25:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> I had local too
[14:26:10] <WishStone> But the last one... well. http://wishstone.blogspot.com if you have a strong stomach :P
[14:26:31] <Sheng_Gradilla> my surgery went quickly
[14:26:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> this dentist is famous for this kind of work
[14:27:10] <Sheng_Gradilla> and his rates are the lowest
[14:27:36] <WishStone> well, my dentist was kind of expensive, but he was the one dentist that broke my terrible fear I had of dentists.
[14:28:03] <WishStone> Before I went to see him last september, I had avoided dentists for 14 years because alone the smell in a dentists office made me nearly faint :/
[14:28:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> it cost me $100 pesos per tooth
[14:28:51] <Sheng_Gradilla> that's like 8 euro per tooth
[14:31:17] <WishStone> Well, the teeth where covered my my insurance.
[14:31:27] <WishStone> But I needed a crown on one tooth, it was a wreck :/
[14:31:36] <WishStone> THAT cost, as I had to pay half *wince*
[14:31:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> do you have children?
[14:32:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> I was 17 or 18 when my wisdom teeth were removed
[14:33:19] <Sheng_Gradilla> the dentist said the sooner they are removed, the easier, because they grow roots with time
[14:33:31] <Sheng_Gradilla> mine had not developed roots yet
[14:33:46] <WishStone> Not yet, no :] And I'm 25 *snickers* The roots where the prtoblem in my case.
[14:34:04] <WishStone> Bend hooked towards the jaw, which recated a lever AGAINST the bone when he tried to pull.
[14:34:10] <WishStone> 50 minutes of no fun at all :P
[14:34:46] <Sheng_Gradilla> and I suppose you were all frightened
[14:35:59] <WishStone> Well... *ponders*
[14:36:13] <WishStone> It did get ugly a few times because he nearly unhinged the jawbone :/
[14:37:18] <WishStone> BUT it's out. And the infection is nearly gone as well :P
[14:38:26] <Sheng_Gradilla> You should have taped it :P
[14:40:28] <WishStone> *lol*
[14:40:32] <WishStone> Well, I kept the teeth :P
[14:40:59] <WishStone> Well... 2 teeth, one sawed in half and one only the roots could be reovederd... the tooth itself crumbled while removing :P
[14:43:03] <Sheng_Gradilla> if you had it taped, you could use it as "motivation" for your children to brush their teeth >:)
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[14:46:25] <Fl00der> so much people :o
[14:48:33] <WishStone> sorry, I'll go at once :[[[
[14:48:36] <WishStone> :afkw
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[14:48:46] <WishStone|away> ;]
[14:48:49] <WishStone|away> bbl
[14:49:26] <Fl00der> hehe
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[17:01:58] * WishStone hands out snacks and goodies because she's proud of herself and wants everyone to feel good
[17:05:23] <Colourless> woohoo!
[17:06:17] <WishStone> okay, so what actualloy put me in a good mood my seem pittyfull to most people :/
[17:07:16] <WishStone> I just went to a store, not a supermarket, but the real thing where someone walks up to you and services you.. and bought 4 white peaches. Seeing I have about NO french language skills and feel terribly akward using what little I have, I felt this was a victory ;]
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[19:00:49] <sbx> yo
[19:07:47] * WishStone gets out a biiiig steaming cup of coco for sbx ... some liqur in it as well, cream, marshmellow..?
[19:12:20] <sbx> i dunno
[19:12:24] <sbx> anything's fine
[19:12:27] <sbx> :)
[19:13:19] * WishStone packs it all in a huge one-liter cup and hands it over
[19:13:26] <sbx> thanks!
[19:13:28] * sbx eats it.
[19:14:05] <sbx> i didn't think you'd still be here
[19:14:30] <WishStone> it's only 21:oo :]
[19:21:56] <sbx> it's 14:00 here
[19:22:25] <sbx> how common are stores/markets in france?
[19:24:24] <sbx> congratulations
[19:25:44] * wjp yawns
[19:26:06] * wjp is back
[19:26:16] <wjp> (and exhausted)
[19:27:06] * WishStone gets out a biiiig steaming cup of coco for wjp ... some liqur in it as well, cream, marshmellow..?
[19:28:51] <wjp> hm, not to sound ungrateful, but would tea be ok as well? :-)
[19:30:05] * wjp had a seminar about quantum-computing today
[19:30:10] <wjp> it's quite... different :-)
[19:33:19] <sbx> wb
[19:33:56] <sbx> I don't know what would happen at a seminar like that.
[19:34:02] <sbx> Tell me, when do I get a quantum desktop PC?
[19:35:35] <wjp> not anytime soon :-)
[19:36:56] <wjp> well... let's see; the first talk gave the necessary definitions, like what a state of a quantum computer looked like and what operations could be performed on that state
[19:37:06] * WishStone takes another cup and shares some nice hot tea with wjp
[19:37:18] <wjp> (which took two hours)
[19:37:49] <wjp> second talk was about a specific quantum algorithm, and the third talk was on the rather different topic of quantum cryptography
[19:37:58] * wjp sips tea; thanks :-)
[19:39:06] <sbx> That's not an oxymoron? I heard that all cryptography is breakable with quantum computers.
[19:39:39] <sbx> but yeah I guess there will be new stuff
[19:40:18] <wjp> yeah, quantum computers will have a pretty big impact on current cryptographic algorithms
[19:40:49] <wjp> from what I understand, RSA-1024 can be broken with a quantum computers with 2051 qubits
[19:40:55] <wjp> s/ters/ter/
[19:41:12] <wjp> (I think they are up to about 7 qubits currently :-) )
[19:43:29] <sbx> I can see a scientist somewhere making a breakthrough and yelling "8 qubits!"
[19:43:52] * WishStone peeks in again after peeking at the cake in the oeven
[19:50:06] * sbx is eating mini-cheeseburgers.
[19:50:36] <WishStone> bite-sized?
[19:51:01] <sbx> no about 4 bites :)
[20:05:43] <sbx> woah
[20:05:45] <sbx> memory leak?
[20:05:55] <sbx> Memory: 406MB of 439MB used
[20:06:10] <sbx> usually it says 34MB used
[20:06:21] <wjp> used by what?
[20:06:32] <sbx> top/ps doesn't say anything
[20:06:39] <sbx> its just reported by my memory meter
[20:06:44] <sbx> and free
[20:06:50] <wjp> memory should be always nearly full
[20:06:53] <wjp> would be a waste otherwise
[20:07:00] <sbx> i dont have that much loaded
[20:07:05] <wjp> disk cache
[20:07:06] <sbx> usually its just like 34MB
[20:07:09] <sbx> oh
[20:07:31] <sbx> ok thanks :)
[20:07:35] <wjp> mine's 506/512 full
[20:07:45] <sbx> I only knew that it used real memory before swap
[20:08:04] <sbx> and paging is very different than windows
[20:25:53] <Colourless> the reason memory should be full is of course the OS should be using disk caching
[20:26:18] <Colourless> if the memory is not all used then your system isn't running as fast as it could
[20:26:39] <sbx> i need that free 33MB to get used then!
[20:44:55] <wjp> :-)
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[22:39:30] <WishStone|away> nini
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[23:55:35] <sbx> hi Kirben
[23:55:43] <Kirben> Hi
[23:56:56] <sbx> gah, I spent all day (well, 5 hours) reading message boards